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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:39:00 -
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Alright. Y'all listen up. I've gone over this with several people that are knowledgeable about EVE. This glitch has been around for more than three years on my machine, across three different computer builds.
Here. Screenshot of Graphical Glitch
This happens instanteously. It is not a persistent visual glitch. And it occurs randomly during explosions, mainly frigates up to battleships. Commonly NPCs.
I hear that the code and rendering involving the explosions were poorly implemented, and this could be the case.
I will elaborate: This has occured on three different computer builds over the past three years, as I said.
Intel P4 Processor, MSI motherboard, Radeon 9800 Pro.
Intel P4 Processor, MSI motherboard, Radeon x800xt AGP.
AMD Athlon x2 3800+, ASUS A8N-E, Radeon x1900xt PCIE.
This visual glitch has occurred on all of these builds.
I really have no clue why it has been this persistent.
If you know a solution, plug it here.
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David Kaos
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:45:00 -
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have u thought it might be the video card ur useing think about it its always the same brand each build. I have a gforce and i have never had that problem. Get a diff brand and try a 4th time and see. |
Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:50:00 -
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 Originally by: David Kaos
have u thought it might be the video card ur useing think about it its always the same brand each build. I have a gforce and i have never had that problem. Get a diff brand and try a 4th time and see.
FOR THE LAST DAMNED TIME, IT'S NOT THE VIDEO CARD! Look at the number of video cards I have used, damn it! USE YOUR HEAD!
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Garborg
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:54:00 -
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Very odd. Quick question. I see you've used multiple machines.. Was the monitor the same for all 3 situations?
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David Kaos
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:56:00 -
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what im saying is they all r a radeon number doesnt matter its still the same brand i have 3 acounts all with gforce and never had that and i know of a few others. I mean if u realy think about it whats the one item thats the same for the most part n each of the 3 builds the video card brand all RADEON something but still all RADEON. Its the same if u have a new pc and u install a program and then ur pc messes up and u format and reinstall the os and that program again and yet again it messes up its that program doing it . Could be the same thing here
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Garborg
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:57:00 -
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Yes but Radeon cards are supported. He shouldn't need to switch brands if he does not choose to.
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David Kaos
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:00:00 -
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OMG i didnt say he had to just to try a diff one and if it fixes the prob then he can let ccp know there is a problem someplace. It could also be a screen going bad like one person said.
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: David Kaos
OMG i didnt say he had to just to try a diff one and if it fixes the prob then he can let ccp know there is a problem someplace. It could also be a screen going bad like one person said.
I've informed them of this glitch since I had my first Radeon card, the 9800 Pro. TWICE. And they didn't do anything.
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Garborg
Very odd. Quick question. I see you've used multiple machines.. Was the monitor the same for all 3 situations?
What the hell does the monitor have to do with how a game displays a bugged up graphic glitch? It's always been an LCD monitor. No problems whatsoever at all.
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David Kaos
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:13:00 -
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im just saying look fo the one thing that sames the same n this case it seems the video card brand or maybe ur screen. if u read on called OMG flicker it someone also haveing a prob with a radeon video card. First try a diff screen if that does not work then try a friends video card that way u dont spend any cash to get one to try and if it still does it then i have no idea.
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: David Kaos
im just saying look fo the one thing that sames the same n this case it seems the video card brand or maybe ur screen. if u read on called OMG flicker it someone also haveing a prob with a radeon video card. First try a diff screen if that does not work then try a friends video card that way u dont spend any cash to get one to try and if it still does it then i have no idea.
Get a new monitor or try a new video card? Worst suggestion ever. Get out.
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David Kaos
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:28:00 -
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ok first of all u asked for ideas. Second of all i build pc for a living. Third it has to be one of the 3 things ur video card brand for some reason or ur screen or even a combo of them both together. So stop and think about it for 5 or 10 maybe even 15 min. If its a new MB CPU HD every thing and same old screen it might be it if not then well leaves one good chance its the brand of video card or its drives realy. I was looking at the list of cards that work with eve and i see alot more geforce then any radeon, but i will give it it does say not all cards r listed but still 75% it seems that r listed are geforce of some kind. So with that said if u dont want to try it then dont *itch about it cause it seems that im not the only one who thinks it could be the screen and if thats not it then well u know the only other thing thats stayed the same all 3 builds.
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Garborg
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:31:00 -
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I wasn't suggesting you get a new monitor. I said the problem was very strange and asked about you 3 individual machines you tested on. I wouldn't even suspect a monitor would cause that issue, but wondered if it was the same with all 3 machines. When it comes to troubleshooting hardware I always cover my bases, even looking at the obscure. Now like you said, I would suspect it was a software issue.
But I had a problem with a USB modem once I swore to heaven and hell it was an ISP issue. Used it on multiple machines and had the ISP tech guys out at my place 3 times. It ended up being the 1 peice of common hardware... a transformer I was using for 220AC to 110AC. The bloody thing had a floating ground and the leads were backwards on the transformer. PC worked fine, modem worked fine... for 2 mins. The internet would disconnect/reconnect. The floating ground on the chasis was shorting out the USB device.
Sorry long story, but it took me 3 weeks of troubleshooting to figure out the problem I swore was not mine.
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David Kaos
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:34:00 -
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i didnt say u said to replace the screen i said u was thinking it could be by the way u asked if thats not what u ment then i missunderstood it and i am sorry for that
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Garborg
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:42:00 -
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That being said, if the monitor was common between all 3 machines, Try a different one...i.e. borrow a friends to test it, don't buy one. I know it sounds ******** and It really looks like a driver/software issue really... But I would have never suspected an internet connection dropping in/out would be power related when everything else on the machine worked fine.
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Ereman Sarat
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:56:00 -
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Just for the record, Vin and I did some testing a little while ago, and I can get the graphic glitch to show up, albeit intermittantly, on my geforce 8800gts. It's a VERY fast glitch, like 1 frame long, and it doesn't show up every single time something explodes. I suspect it's the coding issue he suggested... perhaps something to do with the explosion interacting with the environment at particular angles with the light source. Dunno for sure.
I used to use an x800xl card, but I cannot remember seeing this before or not. Again, it's a very fast glitch, and I may have just not been looking for it. Id' stick it back in the machine, but I'm running linux right now, and it'd be a fair chore to swap it out, swap the drivers, etc.
And ATI's linux drivers... well.. not so hot.
Basically, when the explosion blooms, you sometimes gets the extra textures, shaded with what appears to be a light reflection from the explosion. Very odd little bugger. Might be something that should normally be culled, but isn't.
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Thimn Witt
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:08:00 -
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I'd just like to point out his screen is not creating this bug. Proof? He took a Screenshot, a physical problem on the screen wouldn't be showing up in a SS.
My guess is going to be that its driver related. ATI has pretty shotty drivers, I would suggest using 3rd party drivers for your video card.
I have seen this error before on my friends ATI card. I have not seen it on any of the Nvidia card my group uses. Not to say that it can't happen, it just hasn't happened yet.
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ArchDeacon
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:31:00 -
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I would have to agree, it looks like a driver issue to me.
If I were you I'd try using the ATI Omega Drivers from www.omegadrivers.net. I myself have had issues with the Catalyst drivers with many other games.
I user a ATI X1650 Pro/512mb and I have never seen the glitch before. Would be worth a shot if you are not already using them.
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BobbyCarter
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Get a new monitor or try a new video card? Worst suggestion ever. Get out.
I know exactly what your problem is, I've had it myself and fixed it. But considering the way you've treated people that have taken time out of their day to assist you, I'm going to withold my knowledge.
Learn some manners please. Oh, and enjoy your crap graphics.
Cheers
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Infam
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:58:00 -
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I've had this problem before if I had high grafik settings.
Now with trinity I have colordots and stripes coming my way.. after a while the client kills himself completely..
Please share your wisdom for others like me who would really like to get an idea what they can do/ whats the cause
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Ramonskie
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Ramonskie on 06/12/2007 14:13:55
these artifacts are mostly generated by bad drivers
use the omega drivers instead
someone already suggested this above
o and for al the other ppl
it can't never be the monitor because he created a screen shot with the artifact
you know what i mean right :)
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Infam
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:32:00 -
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well there is no such thing like an omega-driver for nvidea under vista.
and the nvidea and the windows driver make no difference at all..
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Odball
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:30:00 -
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well since it cant be the monitor, why use your heads.
But i have the same problem now, and what i see is that he have only bin using ATI grafic Card.
i can even play eve my computer just crases and windsown says that the grafic card have stoped working.
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DenShou
Gallente
Actum Fide
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:38:00 -
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This looks like something I used to get in DirectX 8, I have since then upgraded to 9 and have had no issues. This was a while ago of course. Not sure how that is helpful. But that was the fix for me.
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David Kaos
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: BobbyCarter
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Get a new monitor or try a new video card? Worst suggestion ever. Get out.
I know exactly what your problem is, I've had it myself and fixed it. But considering the way you've treated people that have taken time out of their day to assist you, I'm going to withold my knowledge.
Learn some manners please. Oh, and enjoy your crap graphics.
Cheers
Thank you on that.
And also is the screen plug coming off the video card is messed up it can get a bad SS. i.e. i use to take ss of eve on a 19" lcd and evey time they came out like i had the gamma and contrast way up. a few weeks later i got a new one and the bright as can be SS was no more. i retried the old lcd and they was bak later that night the lcd up and stop working. i not sure y it was but it did could have been from a bad plug messing it up im noot sure. ALso last thing that ati drive a friend of mine has had a few problems with useing it he got a 3rd party drive and has had none that he has *itched about.
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Vin Hellsing
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: David Kaos
Originally by: BobbyCarter
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Get a new monitor or try a new video card? Worst suggestion ever. Get out.
I know exactly what your problem is, I've had it myself and fixed it. But considering the way you've treated people that have taken time out of their day to assist you, I'm going to withold my knowledge.
Learn some manners please. Oh, and enjoy your crap graphics.
Cheers
Thank you on that.
And also is the screen plug coming off the video card is messed up it can get a bad SS. i.e. i use to take ss of eve on a 19" lcd and evey time they came out like i had the gamma and contrast way up. a few weeks later i got a new one and the bright as can be SS was no more. i retried the old lcd and they was bak later that night the lcd up and stop working. i not sure y it was but it did could have been from a bad plug messing it up im noot sure. ALso last thing that ati drive a friend of mine has had a few problems with useing it he got a 3rd party drive and has had none that he has *itched about.
Kaos, are you just really stupid? The computer captures directly off the video card through the interface on the motherboard, not through the DVI input. Your intellect involving computer hardware is disgustingly lacking. Get the hell out, get MSCE (Microsoft Certified), and then come back. Maybe people will listen to you after that.
And in response to those that have flamed me for being an ass to those who have tried to help, use your bloody heads. Some of these people are not even showing one iota worth of hardware knowledge. Why the hell should I be worried about my monitor, when there's, as someone pointed out, a screenshot of the glitch already visible. Computers do not take screenshots directly from the monitor output. Monitors are completely separate from the computer box itself.
If anything, I'm more convinced that this is an example of lackluster coding on CCP's part since it could also appear on a current-generation nVidia 8800 series video card. I've reported this several times to CCP with no response.
That said, I'll give the Omega Drivers a shot. Thanks for the link.
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Lilane
Gallente
ICE is Coming to EVE
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:00:00 -
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I used to have the same issue with my Mobiilty X16000. The 2 last version of Catalyst drivers set this problem actually, but since i also upgraded my RAM to 2GO at the same time i updated the drivers, i can't tell you which of the 2 events really sovled the issue (probably the drivers, but...).
I hope this can help you.
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