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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.03.13 16:07:00 -
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AsheRaven, the problem is closer to home. The Republic has become nothing more than a puppet of the Amarr Empire. You are no more free now than you were before the Rebellion.
Whilst there is no more noble a cause than destroying slaver convoys, the root cause of the problem lies within the borders of Minmatar space.
While you're bickering about whether to fight alongside other races the real enemy continues it's stranglehold. Such blinkered views have been a catalyst to the scenes you're seeing across the news. Squabbling like children about who has the right to fight who, how and where has left people blind to the real problems we're facing.
Strength has given way to apathy. Resolve to misplaced pride. As a race we have stagnated, and out of this rot has come corruption. The process of removing this corruption has already begun. You'd be wise not stand in the way of this process when it comes.
How dare you call me a puppet
I fight my wars against slavery and for freedom. I just don't tow your Oracle or C/A line. I spent many years as a child being "conditioned" to tow the line, and I certainly won't now.
So go have your little war with Gradient. I don't have much respect for them myself, but don't go accusing others of being puppets simply becasue they didn't follow you in the to CA.
I have my reasons for not being in any territorial alliance, esepcially the CA (as I have so often heard it refered to as a conquering empire by it's Minmatar members). I've bgeen shot at by the minmatar police, by concord and other elements all in the name of freedom and I sure as don't support the republic as it stands. I ahve had my sahre of victories and losses, and I sure as hel have no fancy fangdangled battlleship tofight with, nor am I likely to.
I will side only with freedom and liberty for all races. I wil fight neither you nor Gradient. And it saddens me tothink that the fight against slavery has turned into a war of words about who's done more than the other.
With all due respect to Oracle, of which I have a great deal. You fight your war against slavery your way, I'll fight it my way. You stay in Curse if you want, thats a good tactical move, and as I often say, you are far from traitors in my eyes.
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Kular
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Posted - 2004.03.14 05:36:00 -
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I would appriciate it if all of you would stop trying to kill each other. That is such a waste of a good slave!
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zoolkhan
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Posted - 2004.03.15 09:03:00 -
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Edited by: zoolkhan on 15/03/2004 09:08:52
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I would appriciate it if all of you would stop trying to kill each other. That is such a waste of a good slave!
It is going to be worse - be patient.
You will certainly benefit from this.
we will hardly be able to build up any forces
to free our brothers from your hands while
we are busy with ethnic cleanings..
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when did we see that happening before?
1945? or in the 90ies?
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v.Adm. ZoolKhan; U'K Council member.
W're Ushra'Khan - we come for our people!
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Ethidium Bromide
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Posted - 2004.03.15 09:37:00 -
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zoolkhan i guess you're not happy with the outcome of yesterday's meeting then?
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2004.03.15 11:51:00 -
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It is non of your concern PIE. Tend to your own matters and leave us to tend to ours.
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zoolkhan
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Posted - 2004.03.15 12:23:00 -
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zoolkhan i guess you're not happy with the outcome of yesterday's meeting then?
I said enough. My opinion does not matter anyways.
The Rock is rolling, and the direction is out of anybodys
control.
And it is indeed nothing that i want to discuss in this thread with you ethidium.
in your language:
- alea iacta est.
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.03.15 13:15:00 -
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The Rock is rolling, and the direction is out of anybodys control.
Brother, the dice might have been cast but the outcome of this rolling stone is under our all control. We just need to "know" what we truly want.
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.03.15 13:32:00 -
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The Rock is rolling, and the direction is out of anybodys control.
Brother, the dice might have been cast but the outcome of this rolling stone is under our all control. We just need to "know" what we truly want.
Agreed
do we want freedom for all?
Or just the Minmatar people?
I know which I'm rooting for
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.03.15 13:42:00 -
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after what i have heard, im filled with anger...
"We brake for nobody"
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.03.15 13:54:00 -
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Certain issues are being looked at Iceblock
I believe that there is definetly room for negotiation. This should, and I belive will not be a purely PFM run propoosal. If they want it to really work, then it's the only way forward
OOC: Also there is the issue of responible roleplay to be considering, not every player is inon the big picture,or plays to roleplay
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.03.15 14:04:00 -
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Certain issues are being looked at
This might be, but some are not negotiable.
(ooc: The "roleplay-only" approach would not harm, there are plenty "other" alliances one could join. /ooc)
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Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die.
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.03.15 14:10:00 -
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I'm sorry Raundiun, everthing has to be at leasy negootiable or their is little point in debating this. I thought we all had a voice, or is that just a political staement? Molden Heath is my families ancestrial home, and this proposal, as it currently stands, is threatening that ancestrial link and what our family stands for.
You of all spiritual people should know how important such a spiritual and ancestral link should mean to us.
OOC: I'm just inerested in playing not being forced to choose an alliance, simply to protect those who simply want to play a simpple game, and you know the other reasosn why I am not 100% happy with this proposal as it currently stands.
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.03.15 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Randuin MaraL on 15/03/2004 14:23:22
It is a bit strange to discuss these things in public but let me state my point like this:
A proposal needs to be stringent. Filling it with flesh is the next step. Filling it with flesh and thinning a proposal out are two different things.
We will see what comes out of it.
Oh, by the way, I am resident in MH since a very long time now 
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Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die.
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2004.03.15 16:11:00 -
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Brother Ashe, it is no secret to anyone who attended that you are not happy with what has been proposed. Personally, I do not blame you. However I am pleased to see that you are concidering taking further part in future plans for this project.
Only by taking part can people hope to shape it to their needs. It does no good to sit back, huff and puff or storm out of the room, rambling about what is wrong with it all. It does more good to keep in tune and make every effort possible to ensure that your voice is heard. Only then can you have a say and hope to be happy, lest you are doomed to be angry always.
It is for these reasons that I asked the questions I did last night, to see what room for negotiation there was and where the framework currently stands. As it stands at the moment, I do not agree with it. However it is only a temporary stance that can be shaped on what is suggested in the comming future. Therefore I shall be taking part further for now to see what I can do.
Admiral IceBlock:
I wondered what your response would be and I figured it to be something along those lines. Again, I do not blame you either as I feel the same. Though please understand that what you have heard is not set in stone and I for one will make every effort to explore the issue further in hopes of making changes, untill such a time comes that I feel I have done all I can on the matter.
For now I ask that you keep a cool head about it, rather than provoke the issue as it will only back some of the invlolved parties into a corner leaving them no escape except through you, by whatever means they might deem appropriate.
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Tyto
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Posted - 2004.03.15 16:21:00 -
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Brothers I respectfully request that all discussion on this topic be held on the forum set up for the purpose rather than in public.
At this time, nothing is set in stone and all is open to negotiation.
Those who were present know where the forum is. Those who need to know mail me ingame for details.
Thankyou
"Dulce Bellum Inexpertis"
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Ogodei Khan
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Posted - 2004.03.15 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Ogodei Khan on 15/03/2004 17:02:29
The Amarrian overseer used a Khumaak to administer beatings; I recall seeing one thirteen-year-old whipped almost to death. When I intervened, the Khumaak's shaft struck me on the back of the neck, rendering the cyber-implant inactive.
I gained my sense, grabbed the Khumaak from the Amarrian pig and slammed the weapon against his face. His head split like a melon and he dropped to the ground in a pool of blood. That is the day I liberated myself from Amarr controlą
The Khumaak is still in my possession and symbolizes my fight for the freedom of Minmitar. I will kill AmarrianĘs with no remorse.
If your cause is honest and truthful, I pledge my allegiance to you. If not, you will pay as all the Minmitar traitors when I tip the cold steal of my projectile weapons in their direction.
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There is a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line, Ogodei Khan
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.03.15 18:31:00 -
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Brother Ashe, it is no secret to anyone who attended that you are not happy with what has been proposed. Personally, I do not blame you. However I am pleased to see that you are concidering taking further part in future plans for this project.
I dont quit on dreams easily, so no worries. The proposal was sound, it just needs tweeking.
Tyto, I was not aware of the forum til 5am this morning. And people like Iceblock and even Ashka Neris need a forum so that their concerns may be raised, and as far as I'm aware, I'm not at liberty to reveal our forum to them.
On that note, Tyto, can youplease grant me membership access so I can fread the complete discussion becaus as you are aware, I had to depart somewhat earlie than the rest of you. Thankyou.
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Launcher
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Posted - 2004.03.15 22:41:00 -
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Edited by: Launcher on 15/03/2004 22:47:17
Given the chance to overthrow a government - taken
Given the chance to kick major butt - taken
Given the change to join a Minmatar only corp to do exacly that - taken
Guys, you dont know what you are missing!
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Ravenal
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Posted - 2004.03.15 22:43:00 -
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no mudslinging...
i do not get to choose my parents, but i chose to leave them.
Since free mining licenses were handed out i have dodged angel bullets in hedaleolfarber mining arkonor. My corp participated in the old molden heath alliance, fought angels in the great wildlands flying those marvels of technology (...no sarcasm) ...rifters.
I have never aligned myself politically because the world politics today are not to my liking. The minmatar republic has the greatest potential...and here i decided to lend my strenghts. I ran errands for the pator tech school and core complexion until i realized the minmatar government were losing their way.
True, as someone pointed out...the minmatar government seems to be slacking. Their last "contribution" of banning Khumaak's is simply a fiasco...a political suicide. I am amazed they are still in charge.
Anyway, Tyto...i do understand that standings can hardly be checked when gates are being run. And as i stated ...i really dont mind. If by some chance an unfortunate encounter occurs so be it...ill accept it as a contribution to ...whatever cause it is you think you are fighing.
you also noted to me that you dont pod frigate pilots...honorable stand. Look forward to seeing you keep that ;)
anyway (again)... your activity in the area is welcome, out of respect i will try to stay out of your way to avoid confusion. Again however i would like to point out that perhaps not everybody take your "stand" in this moral dilemma.
destruction without discrimination...that is a moral dilemma despite whatever rules you try to set to take the blame...
you cant simply say...im not a murderer, im just abiding by the rules you have been notified of and expect the victim to take blame for not having listened to you. It would be like trying to tell the gun that its to blame ...rather than the finger pulling the trigger.
murder and terrorism as such do have effect...never any effect but a short term one though. The unfortunate side effects are scars that dont heal that good...
considering that...isnt that your problem, you are a side effect of decades and centuries of slavery?
who is to blame for that? all amarrians, like noted before i cant choose who my parents are...hell, a plastic surgery on my next clone doesnt even hide my amarrian heritage. Not that im not proud of it...its just that im not that proud of some other people that call themselves amarrians.
Given that you are a "side-effect"...how would you propose the "side-effects" of your actions act?
...new sig coming up
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Shamir Soza
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Posted - 2004.03.16 01:02:00 -
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Edited by: Shamir Soza on 16/03/2004 01:08:46
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who is to blame for that? all amarrians, like noted before i cant choose who my parents are...hell, a plastic surgery on my next clone doesnt even hide my amarrian heritage. Not that im not proud of it...its just that im not that proud of some other people that call themselves amarrians.
Ravenal, you don't owe anyone in here an explanation. You should be proud of who you are, If you don't wish to own slaves, fine. I don't own any, and I know many other Amarr who don't either.
On these forums, however, it's all you ever hear about concerning the Amarr(Slavery.) Many of the other people who speak here speak of nothing else. It's the only thing they know about us.
My advice to you, learn more about your culture, your history and then decide the path that is best for your future. If you truly believe changes are needed in the Empire than set about in a positive way to make them. But do not shame yourself or loathe yourself because of what others Amarrians may do. No one will listen to you if you have no self-esteem.
So walk tall, hold your head up high, stop beating your self up with guilt(this all started before your time, anyway) and be proud of who you are
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2004.03.16 01:06:00 -
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I once lost my way, didn't know who I was or what I was doing here. But after I found my true path, the possibilities became endless. The same can happen to you once you find your true path, Ravenal.
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Pulgor --- In service to Saram.
Visit the Ammatar channel ingame!
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Viqer Fell
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Posted - 2004.03.16 01:21:00 -
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I would just like to reiterate that we are determined to make this idea work. At this point much is negotiable. We had a framework in mind not only as we had to, in order to put the idea forwards but in order to provoke discussion and get a feel for the concerns people had.
It is vital that even those who were upset with issues or had concerns remain involved for example AsheRaven as those issues may be resolved through negotiation and discussion.
Tyto has the details of the Republic Forum, Eve-mail him if you don't know it.
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.03.16 01:48:00 -
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Indeed
I wont give up on the proposal, so don't worry about that my friend, i think I made my support well and truly clear ^^
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Bhurak
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Posted - 2004.03.16 04:48:00 -
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Reading between the lines I can make a few guesses as to what's going on.
Unpleasant gentlemen. Very unpleasant.
Bhurak Nossrep
Captain of the Sebiestor Maiden and the Maiden's Fury
Home Port: Pator
Random Miner> Did you how steal my ore, lacked prospects or a bright future the thing you wanted me to take the fight airship to hit you
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Tsual
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Posted - 2004.03.16 09:08:00 -
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Bhurak there is only slight need to worry, all things are in the beginning and the seed of something new has only been put into the soil short time ago. So wait what will come and see what will happen.
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Tsual - Miner from faith, frigat junky for life.
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