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Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.08 23:19:00 - [31] Originally by: Mudkest Originally by: Lance Fighter I dunno, it looks pretty good to me. I am not gonna sit there with evemon open and look at every single skill again, just to make sure. (evemon had better be right lol) I sit with market open in eve-online, and am hoping even more then you there are no mistakes there :o I would use eve, but my access to eve is limited atm... might get ingame a bit later... evemon has never given me trouble before, so all is good. Corel Draw 12, nice program... vista compatible... shrug
Oliver G G Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.09 01:30:00 - [32] Edited by: Oliver G on 09/12/2007 01:35:38 Whenever I want to die in a Battleship I would call it "Vista Premium"! I am into Computer Science. Usually academics have an opend mind for everything, but I dont know anybody who likes Vista... Anyway Vista is (lucky me) not the problem here I think we will wait a few more days. If nobody can find anymore mistakes, we can call it Version 1.0 and I will release the print version. LoL i ran a test on that: Corel Draw 12 creates a 8MB .pdf file (it takes 15 minutes to finish). Loading the file takes 18 seconds on my computer (that is longer than loading a 100 pages big dissertation). It looks funny as if the Adobe reader is totally overstressed. I cant think of a printer that can do this printjob, but this is the problem of the company that is going to get paid to print it for me
Torso Appendix Nihilists LLC	Posted - 2007.12.09 05:53:00 - [33] This is a small omission (prior to Trinity), but the skill Bomb Deployment appears to be missing from the Missile Launcher Operation skill set. Requiring level V Missile Bombardment, so it should be trivial to add to the blank spot just above.
Trivas NQX Innovations Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.09 08:51:00 - [34] Its not version 1.0 yet :) Bomb Deployment is missing: req missile bombardment 5 Battleship Construction requires Cruiser Construction 4 and Frigate Construction 4, but not any level of mechanic skill Fuel Conservation also requires afterburner 2 High Speed Maneuvering also requires afterburner 4 The green lines that lead into Hacking and Archeology from Electronics upgrades and survey, respectively, lack the ônot connectedö hump when they cross Nanite Control requires science 4 not 3 Neurotoxin Recovery requires Nanite Control 1 not 4 Research Project Management also requires Research 5 That all I could find for now...
Oliver G G Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.09 11:11:00 - [35] LoL, i felt so confident this time... But hey, at least a new name for the OA-list.
Oliver G G Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.09 16:45:00 - [36] Here we go again. I have added some additional Skilltree stats. http://baal.baalnet.dyndns.org/content/downloads/files/skillchart.png Lets see how long this version lasts
Trivas NQX Innovations Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.09 18:24:00 - [37] Edited by: Trivas on 09/12/2007 18:25:45 Edited by: Trivas on 09/12/2007 18:24:57 Found more... Jump Freighter Skill only requires Industry 5 and Adv Spaceship Command 4, not Jump Calibration Under mechanic Skills, the Armor Repairing and structure related skills is spelled wrong (reparing instead of repairing) Acceleration Control does not require any level of Afterburner, just navigation 3 High Speed Maneuvering still requires afterburner 4, it looks like you connected the line that was meant for this to Acceleration Control Thats all for now...at least my lists are getting smaller :) EDIT: typos. EDIT2: This version lasted less then 2 hours
Oliver G G Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.09 20:23:00 - [38] Updated. Can be found under the usual link. I also fixed the spelling of the Skill "Jump Freighters" (till this version I spelled it "Jumpfreighters"). LoL - looks like we are getting experienced in the design-revision process Version numbers are getting rare. I soon have to switch to 0.99 0.999 and so on .
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.09 21:46:00 - [39] btw, your skillchart has already found itself useful :D
Oliver G G Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.09 22:27:00 - [40] how that?

Luke Lor'aul	Posted - 2007.12.10 05:51:00 - [41] Can you offer the new builds in PDF?
Vanora Kime Caldari Reapage Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:49:00 - [42] Very nice, I like it :-) Would it be possible to add the skills ranks to that graphic? Would be nice to have that information included also, maybe just the rank in brackets within the skill boxes, like 'Cybernetics [3]' or something like that?
Attila Barca Minmatar Kartago Corp.	Posted - 2007.12.10 13:33:00 - [43] Edited by: Attila Barca on 10/12/2007 13:33:00 This might not be very constructive criticism, but: thats some impressive work you got going there, Ollie
Oliver G G Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:19:00 - [44] Edited by: Oliver G on 10/12/2007 17:19:34 @Luke: I will publish the Chart as PDF, as soon as it has reached 1.0 So everyone with the appropriate printer can print it (2000mm x 880mm, CMYK-Coloring). @Vanora: The idea sounds nice... as soon as I have time, I will add the Rank in brackets as you suggested. I will open up a new Category on the Chart called "Creative Suggestions". You will be the first one listed there @Attila: Thank you!
Oliver G G Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:20:00 - [45] Version 0.99 has arrived. I have included Vanora Kimes idea . While doing that, i found some skills that where still missing, like Duplicating and Mnemonics (Science)... I REALLY hope, it is finished now!
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.11 02:07:00 - [46] Originally by: Oliver G how that? mmm some random guy on this section of the forums asked a question in witch the answer was not something i knew by heart, so i pulled out your handy dandy skillchart (witch i managed to still have open in one of my 5 dozen tabs), and gave him his answer; he was pleased with his answer :D
Oliver G G Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:14:00 - [47] Well I am happy that it proved itself useful even before 1.0
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.11 22:39:00 - [48] oh yea and i thought of the billiant idea of adding the primary/secondary attributes to the skill trees... like near where it says spaceship command, put (perception, willpower) or something like that.
Oliver G G Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.12 14:28:00 - [49] Hey Lance... the idea is good. I gotta check if it is only two attributes per skillgroup (or if several are needed... then I would have to do it on a skill basis )
Oliver G G Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.12 14:34:00 - [50] Hm I just saw that it is not that easy. In Trade for example: Broker Relations has Willpower and Charisma Accounting has Charisma and Memory Including it with every single skill would make it too unclear. And I am too lazy to put it in for each single skill But the idea was good enough to list you within the Creative Suggestions list

Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.12 22:36:00 - [51] checks evemon reverse engineering, is that needed? i notice it in evemon... All of corp management on evemon use memory(main) and charisma(secondary) All drone skill use memory and perception electronics - int/mem engineering - int/mem Gunnery - perc/will, except weapon upgrades ( perc/mem) industry - mem/int leadership - char/will learning - all messed up mechanic - int/mem missiles - perc/will Nav - int/perc science - int/mem exceptions Doomsday operation will/int infomorph - char/will research project management - mem/char and thats it social - char/int spaceship command - perc/will tech 2 ship skills have will/perc trade are pretty messed up.
Oliver G G Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.13 10:46:00 - [52] Version 0.999 is now online. Well Lance, I hate to say this, but these exceptions mess it all up. I would include it, if it would be nice and clean. I have no idea on how I could handle all the exceptions (except from adding the pri/sec attribute to every single skill; it would certainly make it look ugly).
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:31:00 - [53] Its ok... I originally thought that all skills worked under the same attributes, but i guess not. shrug >.> to earn my position as contributer, how about putting little holiday decorations in all the white spaces :D
Grimm Myn Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.12.14 10:03:00 - [54] Very nicely done! Looks awesome and now i only need to find a plotter to print this and hang it up somewhere (even better, if i were rich, i would laminate the sucker so i can draw on it) Reckon if i get some time, ill check over the skills.
Kasheem Cetanes Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.12.14 15:02:00 - [55] What program did you use to make this?
Oliver G G Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.14 15:59:00 - [56] I used Corel Draw 12 (as stated earlier). I will print it at the university and laminate it. Its f***ing expensive, but it rocks. I have seen one of the laminated posters. They are very cool.
Lerinda Rasa	Posted - 2007.12.16 09:01:00 - [57] Dude. This is awesome. Way beyond it. I can't help you with the skills, but I'll send some iskies your way for sure. WANT: Print friendly version of the final version. I'm getting this thing framed and hanged on my wall over my desk.
Oliver G G Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.16 12:23:00 - [58] @Lerinda lol the donaiton really helped me! Never saw so much cash flow into my account The print friendly version will be availiable here, as soon as the chart reaches version 1.0. I have a 2004 Player taking a close look at it and if she says its OK, i will publish a PDF (size 2000mm x 880mm, CMYK-Coloring). It should be printable on any large-size plotter. But be warned: I made a testrun with PDF-export: the file will be 8MB in size and loading takes forever lol - but it works. Oliver G, Founder and CEO of G Enterprises.
Vincent Law Elite Storm Enterprises Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.12.16 15:05:00 - [59] The chart looks great, the only complaint I have is that some of the lines are hard to follow when they get close together (particularly around the marauders/transport ships area). Maybe a different size line or solid lines instead?
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.16 15:36:00 - [60] Originally by: Vincent Law The chart looks great, the only complaint I have is that some of the lines are hard to follow when they get close together (particularly around the marauders/transport ships area). Maybe a different size line or solid lines instead? Methinks that was intentional. The chart is hard to follow, and has a high learning curve to get used to it. It goes perfectly with eve that way



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