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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.03.10 10:49:00 -
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Since ships can get insured 100% for 12 weeks and payout value is higher than the ships costed, EVE has lost it¦s challange! Poeple will get richer and richer and bored and more bored..."game over - press spacebar to continue"...this is the new EVE-spirit! Nothing to loose - no challange at all! All u need is mining 20-30 millions all 12 weeks and u never will loose this game...zzz...zzz...zzz...
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Martinus Crimson
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Posted - 2004.03.10 10:54:00 -
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you lost another ship yesterday LifeWire ? 
I think everyone should stop this discussion
plat insurance costs 30 mill + modules worth of like .. lets say 15 - 20 mill on average PVP BS.
thats still like 45 - 50 mill loss (WITH plat. Insurance).
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.03.10 10:57:00 -
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so you fly a ship without any modules ? 
Also when you die you get what, around 110 mills for an apoc but the insurance costs about 33 mills.
Can you buy a new apoc, new insurance, new modules, new clone, new implants for 110 mills ?
For a well kitted battleship it can be over 100 millions in rare modules and way over that if you use all rare weapons.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.03.10 10:58:00 -
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Nah, it's not the fact that loss has been softened that EVE is not a challenge.
The problem lies with the lack of long term goals, a real purpose for PvPing and dynamic interaction with the game world.
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Zelota
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Posted - 2004.03.10 10:59:00 -
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Since ships can get insured 100% for 12 weeks and payout value is higher than the ships costed, EVE has lost it¦s challange! Poeple will get richer and richer and bored and more bored..."game over - press spacebar to continue"...this is the new EVE-spirit! Nothing to loose - no challange at all! All u need is mining 20-30 millions all 12 weeks and u never will loose this game...zzz...zzz...zzz...
heh.... i got 100m worht of implants and 150m worth of equipment...... my ship is just a tool to hold my moduels realy
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.03.10 11:00:00 -
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This is true for now but as I have just found out an Interceptor will only return 300k compared to the Xmillion cost insurance becomes a none entity.
If this trend stays the same for all the new frigate types and then moves to elite cruisers and BS when they come out insurance will only pay a small portion of the cost.
I know initial prices are always high to start but I can't see interceptors being build or at least sold for less than 500k.
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Thyro
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Posted - 2004.03.10 11:07:00 -
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Edited by: Thyro on 10/03/2004 11:09:31
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Since ships can get insured 100% for 12 weeks and payout value is higher than the ships costed, EVE has lost it¦s challange! Poeple will get richer and richer and bored and more bored..."game over - press spacebar to continue"...this is the new EVE-spirit! Nothing to loose - no challange at all! All u need is mining 20-30 millions all 12 weeks and u never will loose this game...zzz...zzz...zzz...
Go to 0.0 systems controlled by any alliance... but preferably by CA or m0o ... that would make your time interesting... btw don't spend money in insurance if you would like to get more incentive to play the game... mining all the time should be interesting then
btw also don't spend money in clones... its just a wast of time, money 
All these things should make your daily play more interesting ... and finally you will have a constant risk ... no insurance and no clone and flying in 0.0 controlled areas
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.03.10 11:10:00 -
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Seek out those inviting 1:3 odds then, there's a challenge for you.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.03.10 12:22:00 -
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No, i dind¦t lose my BS and i never insured it yet. In 8-9 months playing EVE i lost 1 BS - not inssured, this means i lost 70 mil (Scorpion) ISK. The insurrance all this time would have costed much much more. Now, with these 12 weeks inssurance time i should inssure my BS. And this is why i say EVE lost challange. All players have to do is earn 20-30 mil every 12 week and they shoulnd forget to inssure the ship ---> press spacebar to play again - like a shooter game.
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Moah
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Posted - 2004.03.10 13:22:00 -
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Can i have your Stuff?
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.03.10 13:29:00 -
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No, before u get it i would do a amok/sucidal run in Yulai...
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Pat Garret
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Posted - 2004.03.10 13:30:00 -
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In that case what happens if you loose your ship in the first week of insurence, sorry mate imo insurence is just a waste of time but i like the the 40% backup. kind of eases the blow a bit but the risk still remains along with the shame of loosing your ship, clone and valuable mods.
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LargeNuts
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Posted - 2004.03.10 13:31:00 -
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Shut up, insurance is STILL too expensive. Who the hell wants to mine 20-30 mil worth anyway? And what if you lose your ship 2 times in a month? You have to buy new insurance 2 times. Thats 60 mil in 4 weeks. It is fine the way it is. But I would like to see another price drop to encourage more pvp. 
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Helmuth Halbstein
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Posted - 2004.03.10 13:32:00 -
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Since ships can get insured 100% for 12 weeks and payout value is higher than the ships costed, EVE has lost it¦s challange! Poeple will get richer and richer and bored and more bored..."game over - press spacebar to continue"...this is the new EVE-spirit! Nothing to loose - no challange at all! All u need is mining 20-30 millions all 12 weeks and u never will loose this game...zzz...zzz...zzz...
heh.... i got 100m worht of implants and 150m worth of equipment...... my ship is just a tool to hold my moduels realy
ha u got implants you go top of the to die list.........
"Helmuth Halbstein Caldari Gorilla"
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Deloup Drakar
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Posted - 2004.03.10 13:35:00 -
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All players have to do is earn 20-30 mil every 12 week and they shoulnd forget to inssure the ship ---> press spacebar to play again - like a shooter game.
Well a certain group of players, that is all they know, so CCP is just catoring to their needs to keep that group in the game.
IMHO I wouldn't have a problem w/ them jacking it to 12 weeks, if they woulda jacked the price up 4x also. That would shut up everybody that whined that ship insurance was STILL too short (lests go back to 1 week FCS) and still keep some sort of payout balance. Anyone that flies out in 0.0 and is an active non-roid poker almost has a garontee to loose their ship in 12 weeks.
To those people saying "what about implants and modules". Screw worrying about that, just make the BS, exit station w/o anything on the ship, have your friend blow up the ship (or self destruct if insurance is still too dumb and pays out for that) and reap the income. Rinse/Repeat every 4 hours.
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Valeria
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Posted - 2004.03.10 13:37:00 -
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Shut up, insurance is STILL too expensive. Who the hell wants to mine 20-30 mil worth anyway? And what if you lose your ship 2 times in a month? You have to buy new insurance 2 times. Thats 60 mil in 4 weeks. It is fine the way it is. But I would like to see another price drop to encourage more pvp.
I don't think it matters what you do in EVE, if you don't earn 30 mill every 3 months then you probably must have cancelled your account without noticing.
Besides, 30 mill is like half an hour of mining.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.03.10 13:40:00 -
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insurance on battleships is a joke. lifetime 40% insurance is nice for cruiser/frigate pilots, but like TankCEO said in another thread, the 40% across the board is unbalancing.
The free insurance on a BS should be enough to buy a thorax and minerII's, and very little else. I'm talking 5-10% here.
maybe 20% for cruisers, and 40% for frigates/indies.
oh, and please kill the free insurance on shuttles, that's just daft.
Also, make self-destruction an insurance-cancelling act.
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LocalHost
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Posted - 2004.03.10 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: LocalHost on 10/03/2004 13:58:55
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No, i dind¦t lose my BS and i never insured it yet. In 8-9 months playing EVE i lost 1 BS - not inssured, this means i lost 70 mil (Scorpion) ISK. The insurrance all this time would have costed much much more. Now, with these 12 weeks inssurance time i should inssure my BS. And this is why i say EVE lost challange. All players have to do is earn 20-30 mil every 12 week and they shoulnd forget to inssure the ship ---> press spacebar to play again - like a shooter game.
-->edit <-- I do agree with Dmaster that the free insurance is taking it to far. But that is a revenue decision based on the economics of maintaining a player base not on anyone elseÆs opinion of what the game should be.
People who keep bringing this up must have some type of brain disorder. You must, MOST players can't earn 20M-30M in 4 months much less 3 months "can't/won't take the risks needed to do so". The ones that can are up to the challenge of keeping what they have and/or replacing what they have lost.
I think you have pressed the Spacebar a few to many times. People this discussion is over. Let it die. The math speaks for itself.
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toaster
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Posted - 2004.03.10 14:08:00 -
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Nah, it's not the fact that loss has been softened that EVE is not a challenge.
The problem lies with the lack of long term goals, a real purpose for PvPing and dynamic interaction with the game world.
lost its challenge? How many other games do you know of in which people would be willing to mine-bored-to-tears for a month to get a ship in the first place? Most people are not willing to do that for a video game.
The blow certainly has been softened but the insurance, but 2 things. 1) not all of us have 60M in the bank or are in super-mining corps where the money can be replaced in a day. 2) a game with so much PvP at its core should not be 95% boredome, and 5% combat. More fighting = good for eve and more fun for all (well, most anyway).
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Deloup Drakar
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Posted - 2004.03.10 14:19:00 -
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MOST players can't earn 20M-30M in 4 months much less 3 months "can't/won't take the risks needed to do so". The ones that can are up to the challenge of keeping what they have and/or replacing what they have lost.
Exactly, if you can't roll in that sort of cash mining w/ your BS (dumb ability that CCP shouldn't have even let happen) then your not taking a risk and don't need to have the platinum insurance, let alone ANY insurance as you only are "threatened" by NPC rats. The people who actually require a BS (as opposed to every empire mining zombie in Eve) are the ones that can afford the insurance on them.
Off-topic semi-rant: What is the point to mining 16 hours a day to get a bigger ship/better mining lasers and drones/bigger cargo expanders....then continue mining even after you've got "the best mining setup". Poking rocks constantly is hella boring and is the reason why all these people quit after 2-3 months of playing "I feel I beat the game, I'm in the biggest ship with the best equipment, I'm at the top of my league", whatever, go back to a single-player game if all you want to do is stare at mining lasers all friggin day in your BATTLEship.
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Lucas De'Thal
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Posted - 2004.03.10 14:41:00 -
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Besides, 30 mill is like half an hour of mining.
i must clarify, it's not veldspar she's talking about. And half the eve population does not have "free" access to any of the 0 sec regions under the various alliances so don't bet on making 30mil/half hour.
and yes there are those few that are able to sneek in, but i'm talking majority here.
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Valeria
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Posted - 2004.03.10 15:15:00 -
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and yes there are those few that are able to sneek in, but i'm talking majority here.
Well, why anyone would need insurance to mine Veldspar is beyond my understanding.
Also, if you for some really strange and/or sick reason can't afford to dish out 30m every 3 months to insure your Battleship, maybe try flying a smaller ship? Battleships aren't everything in EVE anymore, frigates and cruisers both have their place in combat.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2004.03.10 15:21:00 -
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Nah, it's not the fact that loss has been softened that EVE is not a challenge.
The problem lies with the lack of long term goals, a real purpose for PvPing and dynamic interaction with the game world.
Content can be provided by other players. If you lack long term goals etc. I suggest you hook up with another crowd. We have years worth of plans, that will probably be turned on their heads 20 times yet.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.03.10 15:24:00 -
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Surely this means people will fight more rather than safespot/log off/blob etc
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Swift
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Posted - 2004.03.10 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: Swift on 10/03/2004 17:00:38
Well the whole 'mine mine' until I have everything is the mentality of someone who only aims to get the highest things in the game with the least risks and the least effort and most important of all, the LEAST FUN.
Ironic really that for a game - something that you would want to have as much fun as possible with, many people will resort to doing the most boring action simply because it grants them the fast cash. Even if the process is the most tedious boring thing they have ever done. Its not just this game - its every mmporg - campers that camp spawn for DAYS and end up hating the game to death but continue to play because they don't know what else to do.
EVE is different from the others because of the 'variety' - kill/courier/mining missions for agents is one thing, but also blue print research and then selling copies onthe market, working in the industry and cornering markets, pirating or pirate hunting (npc or PC) as part of corps, bounty hunting, trading.. the list is endless of the variety of things to do, with some rewards with more isk, others less. BUT some obviously more FUN.
Your choice, its your game. But the mining focus tells us more about how some peoples minds work, sad as it is :)
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.03.10 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: Wraeththu on 10/03/2004 17:21:45
Have you tried having fun?
I don't seem to remember the number of flag captures, or people fragged, units destroyed, or any of that crap on any other PvP game in existence coming into effect later. At the end of the day, you had fun shooting, and dieing, and maybe you can talk smack to your friends.
Why do you need to 'loose' something to have fun or feel challenged? You're playing in a virtual world, you can't LOOSE anything. It's just a collection of bits.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.03.11 09:10:00 -
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Get real - EVE lost at least some challange. I never inssured my BS, i loved the thrill when torpedos knock on my hull and 2-3 seconds left to warp out. Fight will never be the same with this "free" and "cheap" inssurance. The psychologic factor in battle - all gone now. Even more important: people will get richer and richer. There is no way to get an enemy down - with the next day he¦s back with the next BS. Again i say: press spacebar to continue.
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2004.03.11 09:22:00 -
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Battelships require lots of minerals you know. If you lose loads of ships, the minerals have to come from somewhere !
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Deloup Drakar
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Posted - 2004.03.11 13:12:00 -
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Battelships require lots of minerals you know. If you lose loads of ships, the minerals have to come from somewhere !
Yes, but there are enough carebear miners out there to support you for all your low end mineral needs and there are plenty of others selling the 2 top end for your BS.
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