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destiny2 Right Ascension 21	Posted - 2012.02.03 03:24:00 - [1] - Quote Since everyone has different points of View. What are your thought's about muraders becomeing part of the pvp world. Don't Want to read cause they Suck. They get all these nice bonuses and make great mission ships. but. Been doing some reaserch on them and can get some pretty nice Tank and Gank.
Luba Cibre 35	Posted - 2012.02.03 03:31:00 - [2] - Quote ****** Sensor Strength. Have fun being perma jammed all the fight.
Cedo Nulli Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2012.02.03 03:34:00 - [3] - Quote Have fun with your 2bil marauder being torn a new one by a hurricane with flight of light ecms ...
destiny2 Right Ascension 21	Posted - 2012.02.03 03:38:00 - [4] - Quote Cedo Nulli wrote: Have fun with your 2bil marauder being torn a new one by a hurricane with flight of light ecms ... Okay and Pirate Faction Battleship pilots dont have this problem eathier but still do it. and use them.
Trinkets friend Obstergo NEM3SIS. 126	Posted - 2012.02.03 06:34:00 - [5] - Quote ECM drones are a special case anyway, as complined about elsewhere. Personally, nothing wrong with rocking a marauder in PVP in my opinion. Yes, the sensor strength is pissweak, so you fit an ECCM where possible, and if you don't just blindly rush into Falcon you should be OK. Especially if you aren't humping gates or stations in hisec and can rock a faction smartbomb. 2 cycles, no Hornet EC-300's. Job done. The highslot layout of Marauders favors fitting neuts and smartbombs, and you still get 8 guns damage. Yes, that means you can eclipse 1700DPS in a Kronos without heat if you ridiculously pimp it. Which you should. The Kronos is the ick of the litter, in my opinion, simply because of that OMGWTFBBQ web. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu @trinketsfriend on twatter
Jacob Holland Weyland-Vulcan Industries Alliance not Found 14	Posted - 2012.02.03 08:30:00 - [6] - Quote Have a look around for a couple of videos called Golem in Space... Here's one of them... Smallish lowsec groups will minimise the sensor strength disadvantage providing you can get gatefire on your side, the fragility of ECM (drones in particular but it's not easy to fit a Rook or Scorpion to tank gatefire and jam without logistics) reduces their use and therefore the Marauder's vulnerability.
thoth rothschild Mercenaries UNLiMiTED Double Tap. 63	Posted - 2012.02.03 09:41:00 - [7] - Quote In Empire warefare i really like the Kronos. No further details :)
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 2770	Posted - 2012.02.03 10:04:00 - [8] - Quote I think you should learn to spell the thing to which you are referring. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki
Sun God Ra Ministry of War Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2012.02.03 10:15:00 - [9] - Quote i know it's not big in alot of peoples books but marauders also have a huge cargo space for cap boosters and ammo. more boosters means surviving longer.
Sam Bowein Sense Amid Madness 30	Posted - 2012.02.03 10:31:00 - [10] - Quote Cedo Nulli wrote: Have fun with your 2bil marauder being torn a new one by a hurricane with flight of light ecms ... That' not a good argument, marauders all have enough midslots to use an ECCM, basically doubling their sensor strength. Main argument against PVP in a marauder is their price: for a similar amount, you get a pirate BS which are so much better.

Sunviking The Shining Knights 11	Posted - 2012.02.03 10:54:00 - [11] - Quote Sun God Ra wrote: i know it's not big in alot of peoples books but marauders also have a huge cargo space for cap boosters and ammo. more boosters means surviving longer. I like your point about the space for Cap booster charges. A Golem with an X-Large Booster and a Cap Booster will have a pretty serious active tank for PvP purposes. And as some of us already know, Marauders already have superior capacitors anyway. Looks like a good strategy. I wonder whether a Paladin/Kronos/Bhaalgorn and Golem tag team would work well together in a small fleet, TP and Webbing bonus would go pretty well together on 2 battleships that could deal a combined 2500-3000dps.
Sun God Ra Ministry of War Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2012.02.03 10:57:00 - [12] - Quote Sunviking wrote: Sun God Ra wrote: i know it's not big in alot of peoples books but marauders also have a huge cargo space for cap boosters and ammo. more boosters means surviving longer. I like your point about the space for Cap booster charges. A Golem with an X-Large Booster and a Cap Booster will have a pretty serious active tank for PvP purposes. And as some of us already know, Marauders already have superior capacitors anyway. Looks like a good strategy. I wonder whether a Paladin/Kronos/Bhaalgorn and Golem tag team would work well together in a small fleet, TP and Webbing bonus would go pretty well together on 2 battleships that could deal a combined 2500-3000dps. i think a bhaalgorn and a golem would make a very sexy team
Sun God Ra Ministry of War Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2012.02.03 14:03:00 - [13] - Quote Jacob Holland wrote: Have a look around for a couple of videos called Golem in Space... Here's one of them... Smallish lowsec groups will minimise the sensor strength disadvantage providing you can get gatefire on your side, the fragility of ECM (drones in particular but it's not easy to fit a Rook or Scorpion to tank gatefire and jam without logistics) reduces their use and therefore the Marauder's vulnerability. the only thing i learnt from that video is that the golem can tank loads of damage but seems lacking in the ability to kill department. enjoyable vid though
Nalha Saldana Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 108	Posted - 2012.02.03 14:24:00 - [14] - Quote Vargur vs Machariel Paladin vs Bhaalgorn Kronos vs Vindicator Yea i think we both know what we would choose. (no, missile BSs dont count because they suck in pvp) They just arent good enough in comparison.
carbomb Super Team Munkey 5	Posted - 2012.02.03 14:35:00 - [15] - Quote Trinkets friend wrote: The Kronos is the ick of the litter, in my opinion, simply because of that OMGWTFBBQ web. Paladin has the same web bonus. Sam Bowein wrote: That' not a good argument, marauders all have enough midslots to use an ECCM, basically doubling their sensor strength. even with an eccm fitted a paladin is only 1.5 points higher on sensor strength than the racial tier 3 bs without an eccm and the kronos is 2.5 points higher than its. I do like the Marauders, the paladin being my fave but ccp really should do something about that as they never seem to do anything about the overpowered ecm, be it drones or mods. I mean from a pve perspective, you would be there for ever if you got guristas extraveganza lol Maybe if they had a boost to their strength then people might actually use them more in pvp
Ravenesa The Bastards The Bastards. 4	Posted - 2012.02.03 14:50:00 - [16] - Quote Of all the Marauders I would say the Kronos is the best suited for PvP. The webbing bonus, damage bonus, tracking bonus, and the ability to fit a monster active tank work well together. The Vindi is a better pure PvP boat, but the Kronos has utility highs and the rep bonus gives it a monster active tank. Vindi has a better mid/low slot setup and more drone bandwidth, but if you go for a flight of heavies you have no extras.
destiny2 Right Ascension 22	Posted - 2012.02.03 17:09:00 - [17] - Quote This is one fit i used against a corp mate yesterday. since he runs with a Paladin. [Kronos, Murader Pvp Test] Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Armor Explosive Hardener II Ammatar Navy Large Armor Repairer Ammatar Navy Large Armor Repairer Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Gist B-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800 True Sansha Stasis Webifier True Sansha Stasis Webifier Ion Blaster Cannon II, Void L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Void L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Void L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Void L Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Ammatar Navy Medium EMP Smartbomb Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Nanobot Accelerator I Hammerhead II x5 Valkyrie II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 The stats on this are. Cap stable with mwd and 1 armor rep off at 35% with everything else active as long as navy cap booster 800's last Rep amount for both reppers are. 2846 every 9.5s single repper 1423 every 9.5s note this is before drugs. DPS amount with guns alone. 892.8 with void volley of 3883 total with Ham II's 1071 resits in order 76\|73\|77\|78 Now with the Golem fit i tested. this fit. You run out of powergrid pretty fast only thing this ship would be really good for is Station games/ Capital shooting. [Golem, Golem Murader pvp test] Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Warp Disruptor II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800 Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Siege Missile Launcher II, Trauma Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Trauma Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Trauma Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Trauma Rage Torpedo Ammatar Navy Medium Energy Neutralizer Ammatar Navy Medium Energy Neutralizer Ammatar Navy Medium EMP Smartbomb Large Bay Loading Accelerator I Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Hammerhead II x5
Luba Cibre 35	Posted - 2012.02.03 17:47:00 - [18] - Quote destiny2 wrote: [quote=Cedo Nulli]Okay and Pirate Faction Battleship pilots dont have this problem eathier but still do it. and use them. Machariel Sensor Strength: 26 Nightmare: 28 Bhaalgorn: 28 Rattlesnake: 30 Vindicator: 28 Golem: 14 Paladin: 12 Kronos: 13 Vargur: 11 Same problem, i see....
destiny2 Right Ascension 22	Posted - 2012.02.03 17:52:00 - [19] - Quote Luba Cibre wrote: destiny2 wrote: [quote=Cedo Nulli]Okay and Pirate Faction Battleship pilots dont have this problem eathier but still do it. and use them. Machariel Sensor Strength: 26 Nightmare: 28 Bhaalgorn: 28 Rattlesnake: 30 Vindicator: 28 Golem: 14 Paladin: 12 Kronos: 13 Vargur: 11 Same problem, i see.... You do know that if your flying in a fleet youd have logi. plus. other stuff with you right so a falcon or any other ecm ship trys to drop on you your fleet buddies would kill it not to mention. ECM jamming is based on luck more then anything. as soon as drones are popped out while your being jammed full rack of T2 Mediums can kill a falcon pretty easily as ecms ships tank is mostly just ecm,
Torothin Paragon. Elite Space Guild 17	Posted - 2012.02.03 17:56:00 - [20] - Quote The Pally can be a decent long range sniper for small scale PvP. That's about it. Under no circumstance would I feel greta brawling with a Pally but as a long range hard hitting sniper it's ok...

destiny2 Right Ascension 22	Posted - 2012.02.03 18:00:00 - [21] - Quote Torothin wrote: The Pally can be a decent long range sniper for small scale PvP. That's about it. Under no circumstance would I feel greta brawling with a Pally but as a long range hard hitting sniper it's ok... My buddy started with a T2 Pulse fit then went to T2 Tachyons. And damn did those hurt.
Torothin Paragon. Elite Space Guild 17	Posted - 2012.02.03 18:03:00 - [22] - Quote Yes, it hurts long range. but when all is said and done. I'de rather be in a sniping tachyon/mega beam apoc. Cheaper and won't go ballistic if I lose it compared to a Pally. But to answer the question a sniping pally is a feasible marauder for PvP. For god's sake don't take it into a fleet bs slug fest though.
destiny2 Right Ascension 22	Posted - 2012.02.03 18:07:00 - [23] - Quote Torothin wrote: Yes, it hurts long range. but when all is said and done. I'de rather be in a sniping tachyon/mega beam apoc. Cheaper and won't go ballistic if I lose it compared to a Pally. But to answer the question a sniping pally is a feasible marauder for PvP. For god's sake don't take it into a fleet bs slug fest though. well of course you wouldnt use it for a battleship slug fest. I personally love the Shield Apoc for slug fests.
shal ri Zanzibar Land 8	Posted - 2012.02.03 18:47:00 - [24] - Quote if these ships hasd the same senor strength as a tier 2 bs it would be a bit op. even tho if u fit a vindi up for rep with the right mods if works a hell of alot better the the kronos as it has all the same bonuses. with the rep, dmg and tracking bonus i can see how the can be an issue on the balance front. you would end up with a ship that tanks, ganks and has utility high slots for use in combat. sure neuts will ** it in the ass with no lube, but if spells a ship thats only killed by 1) neuts and 2) over whelming numbers. the senor strength is there to counter that makin it more balanced for combat. however it also makes them useless in combat as they made ships like the mach and vindi at the same price but with better over all use with stronger senor strength and same dmg/better dmg output. i wanted to fly the kronos but its cruiser like sensor strength really put me off for all the training time needed to fly the damn ship. a more reasonable sensor strength would be an 18 or 19 like the pest. u can be jammed but not to the point of "** this ship" then go and buy a vindi for the same amount of isk u would throw into a kronos. black ops are more useful and and they are is a taxi service. i hope ccp looks into a buff for these ships as well as changeing around some of the bonuses they get. as they are now, they are for the most part the same ( save for the golem as it uses missles ).
carbomb Super Team Munkey 5	Posted - 2012.02.03 22:50:00 - [25] - Quote destiny2 wrote: ECM jamming is based on luck more then anything. I LOL'd nice one troll
Letzlin Schaneger Crypsus Tetsuo Shio 7	Posted - 2012.02.09 10:48:00 - [26] - Quote They work well in twos and threes. 3 Kronos jerking cap transfers with triple dedspace reps was a sight to behold.
Versuvius Marii Browncoats of Persephone Ironworks Coalition 35	Posted - 2012.02.09 12:28:00 - [27] - Quote Going solo, I'd feel rather uncomfortable with a marauder. But as a part of a small gang, I'd say it would be perfect.


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