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Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.12.07 10:55:00 - [1] Edited by: Arron S on 07/12/2007 11:00:47 Linkage Franky Street gangs rank below terrorists, and should be treated as such. Why I like this idea: The only way to fix a lot of these neiboroughoods is to and to keep children from being influenced by street gangs(a lot of kids join gangs because of peer pressure, and force the "You poor or black, this is the only life for you mentality"). By removing gang members from the streets and putting them in jail for a long time(I think solitary confinement would be an excellent punishment), would prevent kids from Joining gangs, and to follow a decent law biding path, that the city is trying to promote, but with the gang member influence and peer pressure still influencing them. Trust me Peer pressure is more has a lot more influence on people then parents or anything else. 2nd of all, I hate gangs, and I hate for what they stand for. Why? They recruit KIDS like 12 and 13 year olds sick **s. They take control of whole neiboroughoods threw Fear, Threats of harm and Intimidation(Hey sounds like what a lot of terrorist groups do in the middle east). If anyone try's to stop them or speak out against them, they end up getting severely beaten or killed. They Bascily hold whole neiboroughoods hostage. So how is it in a free society like this can happen. To sum it up: Laws and Legislations in Canada and a lot of other Country's seem to be more focused towards "Individual" Criminals, who act alone or mite have one other person involved, not gangs. Also the prison system is ** in Canada, its still prity much a con-college, they should run them like boot camps like they do in Japan. Or Solitary Confinement based prisons signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected])
Locus Bey Gallente Nova-Tek	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:09:00 - [2] How about lifting them out of poverty? Just an idea To draw any parallel between street gangs and terrorists is just appealing to peoples stupidity. Only the ignorant and lazy would go for such an idea. Would you suggest the same solution for corporate polluters, imbezzling ceo's? You only get a situation where street gangs thrive when you ignore the poorest of the populace. Then they bite you in the ass. What do you expect? To then call for throwing them all in jail because you don't want to think hard enough about solutions makes you worse than them.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:12:00 - [3] Bring back the fleeing felon doctrine! (If a felon is running away, the police can shoot him) Originally by: ISD Valorem The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues.
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:21:00 - [4] Edited by: Arron S on 07/12/2007 11:25:47 Originally by: Locus Bey How about lifting them out of poverty? Just an idea To draw any parallel between street gangs and terrorists is just appealing to peoples stupidity. Only the ignorant and lazy would go for such an idea. Would you suggest the same solution for corporate polluters, imbezzling ceo's? You only get a situation where street gangs thrive when you ignore the poorest of the populace. Then they bite you in the ass. What do you expect? To then call for throwing them all in jail because you don't want to think hard enough about solutions makes you worse than them. Actly, you can get your self out of poverty. When you are completed high school, and if your from a poor family, the government will loan you money for college. Its up to the person them selves of they want to do it or not. And I do support social programs that do help people get out of poverty. It their are more problems that cause it, its the Gangs that are all ready established, their current members and their supporters and whats turning a lot of kids to gangs. And peer pressure and "group think" and "mob mentality" are more powerful then you think. The problem is, Street gangs like to keep up the idea of "Your poor, We are your only salvation" and a lot of Black people think "I'm Black, Theirs nothing for me" idea in their head. Not to mention kids think its cool to be in a gang, from years of gang influence on them. And going to college and starting a decent career, is not cool and makes you square. signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected])
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:31:00 - [5] Everyone's a terrorist! ...Apparently __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Locus Bey Gallente Nova-Tek	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:31:00 - [6] Originally by: Arron S Originally by: Locus Bey How about lifting them out of poverty? Just an idea To draw any parallel between street gangs and terrorists is just appealing to peoples stupidity. Only the ignorant and lazy would go for such an idea. Would you suggest the same solution for corporate polluters, imbezzling ceo's? You only get a situation where street gangs thrive when you ignore the poorest of the populace. Then they bite you in the ass. What do you expect? To then call for throwing them all in jail because you don't want to think hard enough about solutions makes you worse than them. Actly, you can get your self out of poverty. When you are completed high school, and if your from a poor family, the government will loan you money for college. The problem is, Street gangs like to keep up the idea of "Your poor, We are your only salvation" and a lot of Black people think "I'm Black, Theirs nothing for me" idea in their head. Not to mention kids think its cool to be in a gang, from years of gang influence on them. And going to college and starting a decent career, is not cool and makes you square. That's a gross oversimplification of poverty, and the problems endemic in said neighbourhoods. If it was only down to such an obvious choice, as get an education, don't you think people would choose it?
Multras Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:33:00 - [7] Edited by: Multras on 07/12/2007 11:34:06 Originally by: Locus Bey Originally by: Arron S Originally by: Locus Bey How about lifting them out of poverty? Just an idea To draw any parallel between street gangs and terrorists is just appealing to peoples stupidity. Only the ignorant and lazy would go for such an idea. Would you suggest the same solution for corporate polluters, imbezzling ceo's? You only get a situation where street gangs thrive when you ignore the poorest of the populace. Then they bite you in the ass. What do you expect? To then call for throwing them all in jail because you don't want to think hard enough about solutions makes you worse than them. Actly, you can get your self out of poverty. When you are completed high school, and if your from a poor family, the government will loan you money for college. The problem is, Street gangs like to keep up the idea of "Your poor, We are your only salvation" and a lot of Black people think "I'm Black, Theirs nothing for me" idea in their head. Not to mention kids think its cool to be in a gang, from years of gang influence on them. And going to college and starting a decent career, is not cool and makes you square. That's a gross oversimplification of poverty, and the problems endemic in said neighbourhoods. If it was only down to such an obvious choice, as get an education, don't you think people would choose it? People do have the choice, education is free. It's the persons choice if they want to stay in or not, and trust me graduating from high school is easy. If they choose to drop out then all the consequences of said action are now their problem, not societies. If you keep up with yourself you can dig yourself out of poverty, you may not become upper middle class, but you can get out of the ghetto. Thanks to EVE Art Store for the sig.
Locus Bey Gallente Nova-Tek	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:43:00 - [8] Originally by: Multras Edited by: Multras on 07/12/2007 11:34:06 Originally by: Locus Bey Originally by: Arron S Originally by: Locus Bey How about lifting them out of poverty? Just an idea To draw any parallel between street gangs and terrorists is just appealing to peoples stupidity. Only the ignorant and lazy would go for such an idea. Would you suggest the same solution for corporate polluters, imbezzling ceo's? You only get a situation where street gangs thrive when you ignore the poorest of the populace. Then they bite you in the ass. What do you expect? To then call for throwing them all in jail because you don't want to think hard enough about solutions makes you worse than them. Actly, you can get your self out of poverty. When you are completed high school, and if your from a poor family, the government will loan you money for college. The problem is, Street gangs like to keep up the idea of "Your poor, We are your only salvation" and a lot of Black people think "I'm Black, Theirs nothing for me" idea in their head. Not to mention kids think its cool to be in a gang, from years of gang influence on them. And going to college and starting a decent career, is not cool and makes you square. That's a gross oversimplification of poverty, and the problems endemic in said neighbourhoods. If it was only down to such an obvious choice, as get an education, don't you think people would choose it? People do have the choice, education is free. It's the persons choice if they want to stay in or not, and trust me graduating from high school is easy. If they choose to drop out then all the consequences of said action are now their problem, not societies. If you keep up with yourself you can dig yourself out of poverty, you may not become upper middle class, but you can get out of the ghetto. So poor educational facilities, bad housing, long family histories of violence/little education/poor paying jobs, police brutality, racism, and a lack of well funded social mechanisms designed to change peoples circumstances has nothing to do with it? If you see nothing around you that reflects a better world to that your in, what would your mindset choose? If you believe that you have largely been forgotten in the scheme of things what would you decide? Are you telling me someone from a privileged background and neighbourhood has the the same outlook and psychology as someone from an impoverished violent one? How many black senators, presidents, ceo's of major corporations can you name?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:52:00 - [9] Forced conscription should also do the trick, I guess. Armed forces : now with 90% more gang members C\|S\|I\|N\|x.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.12.07 14:11:00 - [10] Yeah. Forcibly recruiting lots of drug users that don't really want to be there always works a treat. As does attempting to get the Army to do the job of the police force. Demanding that your society "disappears" it's undesirables is an amusing little twist on the old "There's no such thing as society" line though. It also seems like a total admission of failure. EVE RELATED CONTENT
Strife Phoenix Acerbus Vindictum Nex Super Vos	Posted - 2007.12.07 15:51:00 - [11] I'll quote one of my older relatives that used to be a police officer. "People lost their respect for the police when we couldn't use our sabres any more" Acerbus-Vindictum - Revelare Pecunia!
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.12.07 15:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Locus Bey So poor educational facilities, bad housing, long family histories of violence/little education/poor paying jobs, police brutality, racism, and a lack of well funded social mechanisms designed to change peoples circumstances has nothing to do with it? If you see nothing around you that reflects a better world to that your in, what would your mindset choose? If you believe that you have largely been forgotten in the scheme of things what would you decide? Are you telling me someone from a privileged background and neighbourhood has the the same outlook and psychology as someone from an impoverished violent one? How many black senators, presidents, ceo's of major corporations can you name? This. Gangs are a symptom of a deeper underlying problem, they are not the problem itself though they certainly perpetuate and contribute to it. People join gangs and start to commit crimes out of desperation, and poverty is the number one source of said desperation. Fix poverty and you fix the problem. Also, the talk about the government "providing you with a means out of poverty" is absolutely idiotic and borderline offensive. I don't know where you grew up, but its obviously nothing like the world I live in. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2007.12.07 17:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Tarminic Also, the talk about the government "providing you with a means out of poverty" is absolutely idiotic and borderline offensive. I don't know where you grew up, but its obviously nothing like the world I live in. Are you saying the Government doesn't provide more financial assistance to under-privileged people seeking an education? They most certainly do. You have to look at both sides, poverty and motivation. You just can't throw money at poverty, just look at the state the world has Africa in by continually aiding it. And look at some of the speeches from minority leaders like Bill Cosby. There needs to be opportunity yes, but there needs to be underlying motivation from the impoverished itself. That drive is more important than any funding would ever be. The 2 together makes it easier, but that drive can overcome the issue on it's own with our current systems. Not saying systems couldn't be made better, or the systems shouldn't be changed. But any system that does not provide a means to generate that motivation that is crucial to the success of ending poverty is a useless endeavor. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.12.07 17:42:00 - [14] Quote: You just can't throw money at poverty, just look at the state the world has Africa in by continually aiding it. lol EVE RELATED CONTENT
Ademaro Imre Caldari Eye of God	Posted - 2007.12.07 18:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Locus Bey How about lifting them out of poverty? Just an idea To draw any parallel between street gangs and terrorists is just appealing to peoples stupidity. Only the ignorant and lazy would go for such an idea. Would you suggest the same solution for corporate polluters, imbezzling ceo's? You only get a situation where street gangs thrive when you ignore the poorest of the populace. Then they bite you in the ass. What do you expect? To then call for throwing them all in jail because you don't want to think hard enough about solutions makes you worse than them. You honestly think that these Canadians are poor with the welfare system they have, that they are in destitute poverty sleeping in shanty towns? How about you live in an inner city and face down these armed criminals. You won't because you will die. They do terrorize people, and they are organized. When gangs are run by prison inmates, they are well organized. Corporate polluters are not going to grab you off the street, takes your money ate knifepoint and beat the hell out of you.
LUH 3471	Posted - 2007.12.07 19:35:00 - [16] Edited by: LUH 3471 on 07/12/2007 19:46:26 slightly offtopic is it healthy that over 90% money are in hands of less then 1% of the whole population on this planet are those poeple holding this much money ok in the brains and what about their puppets like for example gw bush is he feeling psychological alright ?
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.12.07 19:47:00 - [17] Edited by: Tarminic on 07/12/2007 19:47:36 Originally by: Rialtor Are you saying the Government doesn't provide more financial assistance to under-privileged people seeking an education? They most certainly do. I should clarify then, I didn't mean that the Government doesn't provide more financial assistance to the poor, just that said assistance is not a free ride to affluence. Quote: You just can't throw money at poverty, just look at the state the world has Africa in by continually aiding it. Much, much better than if we hadn't provided any aid, that's sure...I'm not sure why you used this example since it's been making a lot of progress recently, especially in the reduction of the spread of HIV. Quote: There needs to be opportunity yes, but there needs to be underlying motivation from the impoverished itself. That drive is more important than any funding would ever be. The 2 together makes it easier, but that drive can overcome the issue on it's own with our current systems. Not saying systems couldn't be made better, or the systems shouldn't be changed. But any system that does not provide a means to generate that motivation that is crucial to the success of ending poverty is a useless endeavor. That I can agree with, but I just think the OP's idea is absolutely horrible. Originally by: LUH 3471 Edited by: LUH 3471 on 07/12/2007 19:35:44 is it healthy that over 90% money are in hands of less then 1% of the whole population on this planet are those poeple holding this much money ok in the brains does this fact not reflect our own ignorance Hrm...never thought I'd agree with you, but yeah. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2007.12.07 19:52:00 - [18] Quote: You just can't throw money at poverty, just look at the state the world has Africa in by continually aiding it. Umm...actually...the problem is that we're taking more than we're giving...This is why people all over the world go on marches and have concerts to reduce or abolish third world debt. Some countries have higher interest on the debt to pay back than what they're making - meaning they can't pay it back ever. If some parts of Africa could use their farmland in order to feed their own people, rather than having to grow food to sell it for peanuts to the fat ****s of the 'civilized' nations I think that might help with their poverty... It's not that we're aiding them too much, it's more like we're eating their bread then flicking them the crumbs... __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
LUH 3471	Posted - 2007.12.07 20:02:00 - [19] Edited by: LUH 3471 on 07/12/2007 20:07:27 we re the ones living in the west the money is here it is at us to change this ****** up system without violence cause thats just another helpless expression of them them being the current confused so called leaders so what will change it wisdom and wisdom alone which has been long forgotten here in the west the merging of outer and inner balance is key this civilisation has forgotten almost completly forgotten about the inner nature of things happiness and wisdom come from within ones own self not from out there
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2007.12.07 20:31:00 - [20] Edited by: Rialtor on 07/12/2007 20:32:00 Edited by: Rialtor on 07/12/2007 20:31:38 Edited by: Rialtor on 07/12/2007 20:30:52 No one can explain the problems with just throwing Money at Africa better than the African Intellects. We're making Africa reliant, not self sufficient. Andrew Mwenda George Ayittey Not saying all aid is bad: Building roads, sanitation, schools, etc. That's all good stuff, I promote that, creating opportunity. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Corwain Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2007.12.07 20:42:00 - [21] Gangs were created in prison, not out on the streets, so sending more kids to prison will only perpetuate more gangs. Bad idea. --
Ademaro Imre Caldari Eye of God	Posted - 2007.12.07 20:42:00 - [22] Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 07/12/2007 20:43:20 more importantly, why does this forum censor the word ***? How do I repair the *** in my glass? This forum mechanism is getting silly.
me bored	Posted - 2007.12.07 20:43:00 - [23] Originally by: Locus Bey How about lifting them out of poverty? Just an idea How about they lift themselves out of it? You damn hippy.
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2007.12.07 21:10:00 - [24] Originally by: me bored Originally by: Locus Bey How about lifting them out of poverty? Just an idea How about they lift themselves out of it? You damn hippy. Now now chaps. I'm sure that we are all aware that one of the main pre-requisites of a capitalist economy is a large reserve labour pool. In order to get the nasty jobs that don't pay well done, you have to have sufficiently large numbers of people in fear of poverty so that they will do all the low-paid jobs so "proper" people don't have to. If we make education accessable to all and eliminate poverty, who is going to take the bins out and valet your nice BMWs and Mercedes? I cannot remember who it was (hopefully someone else from the UK can), but a tory MP once said that "northern poverty/unemployment is an acceptable price to pay for southern prosperity". I'm paraphrasing from memory there, so may not be word perfect, but you get the idea. I suspect the situation in Canada is better on average than in the UK, where the poor really are a proper underclass, but the basic principle of inequality remains; "they" cannot be rich if "we" are not poor. I suggest one of two solutions. Either:- Rather than condemn the gangs, infiltrate them and direct their efforts towards the right and proper subjects of their ire and desperation; the ruling class. Perhaps if more of the ruling class felt directly at risk, rather than giggling as the destitute tear themselves apart as a result of economic and social policy, they'd be more inclined to level the playing field. Or:- Introduce strict immigration controls. Allow nasty foreigners into your country, but only if they agree to do all the nasty jobs for subsistence wages. The instant they become too old or sick to work, ship them out on the next boat back to whichever backwater they came from. I'm sure some of you will be motivated to comment. Feel free, but can we please keep it civil? ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.12.07 21:31:00 - [25] Originally by: Corwain Gangs were created in prison, not out on the streets, so sending more kids to prison will only perpetuate more gangs. Bad idea. History of gangs ___________________________ Never forget. Never Forgive.
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:42:00 - [26] Originally by: Tarminic Much, much better than if we hadn't provided any aid, that's sure...I'm not sure why you used this example since it's been making a lot of progress recently, especially in the reduction of the spread of HIV. Well being that many African Intellectuals site foreign aid as a reason for hindrance and not a positive change, one would think if left to fend for themselves Africa would have done better. Africa 40-50 years ago was self sufficent in terms of food. In fact they exported food, today after all the billions upon billions of dollars of aid, Africa imports food. And the Government runs a budget that is setup to depend on foreign aid. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:47:00 - [27] Edited by: SoftRevolution on 08/12/2007 00:47:57 Originally by: Rialtor Edited by: Rialtor on 07/12/2007 20:32:00 Edited by: Rialtor on 07/12/2007 20:31:38 Edited by: Rialtor on 07/12/2007 20:30:52 No one can explain the problems with just throwing Money at Africa better than the African Intellects. We're making Africa reliant, not self sufficient. Andrew Mwenda George Ayittey Not saying all aid is bad: Building roads, sanitation, schools, etc. That's all good stuff, I promote that, creating opportunity. There's actually several different categories of financial assistance and it is very possible to give money specifically earmarked for development projects. ODA and suchlike. Debt relief tends to get spent on this kind of thing as well. Debt relief is good because it doesn't have conditions attached like "We will give you x amount of money if you spend it on British schools." Opportunities for trade is all well and good but there are currently so many barriers to trade for those countries and for would-be business owners in those countries. It takes ~30 days and 10% of per capita income to register a business in a high income country. In a low income country it takes on average 74 days and 200% of per capita income. The banks over there tend to be very cagey about providing loans too. This is to say nothing of access to international trade. The WTO are supposed to be negotiating some sort of framework for international trade (as set out in the Doha round) but last I read they were stalled over US and European agricultural subsidies (in Potsdam). Around half of world trade currently takes place inside of bilateral and regional trade agreements. Andrew Mwenda makes a lot of good points but I think he's taking a somewhat optimistic view of global trade and the like. It also strikes me that since the World Bank and the IMF basically dismantled a lot of infrastructure the first world probably has some sort of moral obligation to reverse damage it did. I say this because on some fronts the situation is actually worsening rather than getting better. Have a scan of this and don't discount it because it disagrees with your fundamental assumptions about misfortune (i.e. it's all down to the individual). EVE RELATED CONTENT
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.12.08 01:53:00 - [28] Edited by: Arron S on 08/12/2007 01:57:26 Edited by: Arron S on 08/12/2007 01:55:13 Also on gangs, its not just poor inner street kids who "like them". Just go on to facebook and do a search for "Snitches". And take a look at how a lot of people are growing up supporting gang mentality. Alot of the kids are coming from Middle Class family's as well. No one has resecpt for authority anymore. On Global trade and a WTO. I view it as a double edge sword, there are some good accepts to it and some bad. Just keep one thing in mind, Not everyone can get get own way. signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected])
Locus Bey Gallente Nova-Tek	Posted - 2007.12.08 02:32:00 - [29] With regard to Africa you can lay the majority of the blame on the IMF and the World Bank. Poverty has remained the same or increased under the 'economic development' policies of the said institutions. The debt crisis instituted by these two institutions upon the third world is nothing but a disgrace. Bad loan upon bad loan, inability to pay even the interest rate, meddling in countries fiscal policies, e.g moving funds from essential services like health and education, devaluing their economy and making their goods cheaper for consumers from other countries, but more expensive for their own. A good example, Zambia, spent between 1990-1993, 34x more on debt service than it did on education.The UN estimates that if debt relief had been applied to the worst of the indebted countries between 1997-2000, they could have saved 21 million more children and provided basic education to 90 million girls and women. Lets not go into the effect on environmentall resources, and how these countries have been raped of their raw resources to pay debt. So before you start posting about how the poor can easily lift themselves out of their circumstances, do some research and get a clue.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.12.08 02:57:00 - [30] You don't want me on your frontlawn, tbqh. D-F-C recruitment closed

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