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Tribunal
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Posted - 2004.03.11 03:16:00 -
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It worries me that I have not seen the typhoon being used by a player in over a month. Generally if a product is not used it means that it is lacking. Is the typhoon a good buy for the isk and why do people seem to not use it? The only fault I see is a low mid slot number, but maybe there is more to the picture that I am not seeing.
To anyone curious I am planning on making a Typhoon in the near future. I know that a Tempest is better in performance, but I do not really want to mine 1/3 more then I have to. As I will be mining most of all my minerals myself.
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Scathain
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Posted - 2004.03.11 03:38:00 -
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most people say its the best lv 1 bs for non pvp in combat, most peole who have lv1 bs will save up more isk and get the lv 2 version =============================================== I fart in your general direction! you Mother was a hampster and your Father reaked of elderberry
If you dont know what movie this is from I have pitty on you
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Ayms
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Posted - 2004.03.11 03:49:00 -
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I just don't see the time difference in lvl1 to lvl2 BS stopping anyone from getting lvl2 BSs. With the exception of the Caldari that have an obvious candate for an EW BS. Maybe the Amarr the lvl1 for a miner. The Gellante and Minmatar will need to wait for a good reason for large drone capacity for their lvl1s to be more appealing.
That all said, I want a typhoon because I think they look cool, and I like missles.
Ayms
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Managalar
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Posted - 2004.03.11 04:02:00 -
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I've studied the stats of all battleships very carefully, and the Typhoon is an awesome package. It æonlyÆ has 4 turret hard points is the likely reason it isnÆt very common, but most bsers donÆt fit more than 5 or 6 main turrets anyway, unless they use cap boosters or support cruisers with transfer arrays. 4 launcher slots and 4 turret slots is a great weapons combo, especially when you consider the 3500m^3 drone bay. Now that armor tanks are much more viable alternatives to shield tanking, we will start to see the coolest looking battleship, the Typhoon. =======Abaddon=======
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Jakal
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Posted - 2004.03.11 05:23:00 -
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Typhoons are great ships, it just that the tempest has 1 more med slot and more power grid and turrets. IMO the Typhoon is the most heavily armed lvl1 battleship in the game. But i still fly a tempest because they hit harder. If price is something your thinking about the typhoon is a great buy.
-Adapt and Overcome.
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.03.11 06:44:00 -
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I see more typhoons than some months ago, and "I" know, why. I will get out of mine "feet first" only - or for a swift frigate operation. ____________________________________________________
Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.03.11 06:54:00 -
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I fly one and a friend of mine also flies one. It can hit astonishingly far, but the range of the 1400 guns plus the ship bonuses are farther than its sensors, so it need sensor boosters.
_______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2004.03.11 08:26:00 -
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Edited by: Shadowsword on 11/03/2004 08:34:02 Edited by: Shadowsword on 11/03/2004 08:31:31 I'm planning to use a Typhoon as first BS for several reasons:
1/ They can be great armor tanks. 2/ The Typhoons can have a lot of firepower for a tier1 BS. Their powergrid is a little smaller that I'd like, but they just have as many CPU that a Raven. 3/Their as fast as some cruisers, so with one MWD and one webbifier, a Typhoon user can choose the conditions of any engagement. You can use it effectively with 800mm against long range snipers, or 1400mm against any blaster user. 4/Since they use projectiles and missiles, you can use all your cap to tanking/MWD, and that can be a key for survival in 1v1. 5/They have a lot of drone space.
6/Their only drawback is that they need a lot of skills in drones, mechanics, missiles, engineering and navigation to reach their full potential.
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.03.11 08:44:00 -
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Quote: 6/Their only drawback is that they need a lot of skills in drones, mechanics, missiles, engineering and navigation to reach their full potential.
Indeed Glad I have spend the time to train all these little "support skills" ____________________________________________________
Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die.
MEDUSA veteran, Khumaak Award winner |
Siddy
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Posted - 2004.03.11 08:57:00 -
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Quote: It worries me that I have not seen the typhoon being used by a player in over a month. Generally if a product is not used it means that it is lacking. Is the typhoon a good buy for the isk and why do people seem to not use it? The only fault I see is a low mid slot number, but maybe there is more to the picture that I am not seeing.
To anyone curious I am planning on making a Typhoon in the near future. I know that a Tempest is better in performance, but I do not really want to mine 1/3 more then I have to. As I will be mining most of all my minerals myself.
i flued typhoon before switching to Tempest - typhoon is awesome
cheap to loose and packs a punch
but its only good for PVP - carebares dont PVP so they dont use typhoon
ofcorse - Tempesti is even more deadlier -------------------------------------------
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fras
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Posted - 2004.03.11 09:02:00 -
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Edited by: fras on 11/03/2004 09:03:39 I see plenty around now, and in my mind it's the best lvl 1 PvP ship. Scorp just doesn't appeal. It's a shame it's Minmatar
Anyways, I beat Siddy to the topic so I'm happy
edit - haha spoke to soon
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.03.11 10:13:00 -
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ZelRox
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Posted - 2004.03.11 12:11:00 -
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I like the minmatar ships very much. It is my 2nd priority in ship command. Maybe thats why i already got minnie frig trained to 4 :) And the typhoon\tempest are 2 ships im definitly going to give a go at flying. ----------------------
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Usharin Silverberg
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Posted - 2004.03.11 12:52:00 -
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I own a 'phoon, a Tempest and an Apoc - apoc is a great miner, Tempest I use for chaining and npc hunting, phoon I use for pure fun - its a great ship! I agree that phoons and temps need a lot of support skills to be truly effective - but once you have them, the 'phoon and temp are the most lethal BS in the game, bar none (well maybe the blasterthron) - I have a deep and healthy respect for phoon/temp pilots - odds are they are experianced players.
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Tribunal
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Posted - 2004.03.11 17:00:00 -
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Thank you for all of the posts . They make me at ease with my choice in a ship.
Quote: I just don't see the time difference in lvl1 to lvl2 BS stopping anyone from getting lvl2 BSs.
A tempest requires 31% more of every mineral besides Megacyte, which it requires 12% more. Considering I can not effectively mine Zydrine and Megacyte at this time, I will have to buy almost every single piece. The price difference between a Typhoon and a Tempest, counting just these two minerals, is around 10,794,000isk.
Now I do not know what kind of setting you are currently in but this would be a major setback for me considering I will not fly my BS without full insurance (there is another huge chunk of cash).
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DeathBunny
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Posted - 2004.03.11 17:40:00 -
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Quote: I own a 'phoon, a Tempest and an Apoc - apoc is a great miner, Tempest I use for chaining and npc hunting, phoon I use for pure fun - its a great ship! I agree that phoons and temps need a lot of support skills to be truly effective - but once you have them, the 'phoon and temp are the most lethal BS in the game, bar none (well maybe the blasterthron) - I have a deep and healthy respect for phoon/temp pilots - odds are they are experianced players.
Hmmm sound like me for ships that I own hehe. I need to get out in my phoon more often though, tempest has taken over my life recently Fear The Bunny
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Zervun
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Posted - 2004.03.11 18:34:00 -
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The typhoon is an amazing ship. There is really only two downsides and that is turret mounts (for mining) & it needs alot of skills to become really effective. It's the fastest bs, the quickest locker (bs) the longest to lock (bs), the longest optimal range, the 2nd largest drone space, 7 low slots. It's lethal in both pvp & npc hunting. Personally I like it better than a tempest by a large margin or any other bs tier 1 or 2 for that matter.
If you need some tips on equiping it convo me in game. You won't be dissapointed in it.
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Titan486
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Posted - 2004.03.11 22:31:00 -
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Whats a good price for one? Risk free, but not isk free. |
StoreSlem
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Posted - 2004.03.11 23:04:00 -
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Typhoon is bad at mining and bad at npc killing because of its lowly 4 turret slots.
And in pvp it doesn't have many advantages either. Very low hitpoints, inadequate power, and compared to the tempest the ship bonus isn't very good. It does however have cpu and speed and a nice dronebay, and it can be both shield tanked and armour tanked. Still, it doesn't excel at anything.
Its damage output is also nothing more than mediocre, better than scorpion for sure but that isn't really saying much.
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Managalar
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Posted - 2004.03.12 01:22:00 -
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Quote:
Its damage output is also nothing more than mediocre, better than scorpion for sure but that isn't really saying much.
Damage output isn't bad if your a missile spammer. =======Abaddon=======
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Lurk
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Posted - 2004.03.12 01:45:00 -
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The Typhoon is IMO one of the best battleships cause:
It has the best scan resolution of all BS (150 - a scorp got 100).
It has the smallest signature radius of all the BS (350 - a scorp got 600)
It is the fastest BS (150 m/s base speed)
It got the 2nd biggest drone space.
It got a lot of CPU.
It's the only tier1 BS that can fit 8 real weapons.
It's one of the lightest BS (good for AB/MWD).
If i were minmatar i'd be flying a Typhoon. Of course a Tempest is an awesome ship too but i love the typhoon, not just for the looks (btw imo it's one of the few BS that actually look like a BS).
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Kashre
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Posted - 2004.03.12 05:42:00 -
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The typhoon is, IMO, a vastly superior shieldtanker over the tempest. Probably armor tanker too, simply because the tempest in almost every decent setup ends up using too many low slots for CPU upgrades and winds up running out of cap.
I have beaten or fought to a standstil every ship I ever went against on chaos flying a typhoon, except for Blasterthrons.
But, it sucks for fleet combat cause of slow missiles and being a good shield tank doesnt matter when you're going to die from massed fire long before you run out of cap anyways, it sucks for long range combat cause missiles are its main weapon and they move too slow, and it sucks for non-pvp aplications... so its pretty well ballanced.
Still, in a 1 on 1 I think Id take it over a tempest. +++
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Pojo
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Posted - 2004.03.12 05:45:00 -
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Tempest setup for upclose can give a typhoon a good fight, same with megas and doms setup for close up. Raven brings up the rear on ships that are dangerous to the typhoon. The rest will either stale mate or die trying.
"Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.03.12 08:56:00 -
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Quote: Typhoon is bad at mining and bad at npc killing because of its lowly 4 turret slots.
And in pvp it doesn't have many advantages either. Very low hitpoints, inadequate power, and compared to the tempest the ship bonus isn't very good. It does however have cpu and speed and a nice dronebay, and it can be both shield tanked and armour tanked. Still, it doesn't excel at anything.
Its damage output is also nothing more than mediocre, better than scorpion for sure but that isn't really saying much.
its best Tir 1 BS .... and if u thik Typhoon damage out put is small.. then i wonder what is _big_ damage output then? DeathStar?
no offence, but u sound like a man who dont know much abaut typhoon.... -------------------------------------------
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Jargo Stonecutter
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Posted - 2004.03.12 14:56:00 -
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I love the typhoon for shield-tanking (never tried armor tanking but will very soon) only thing negativ i see about this ship is the limited diversity in high slots. 4 turret 4 launcher keeps possibilitys down
best looking BS btw
May you live in interresting times. |
Siddy
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Posted - 2004.03.12 22:59:00 -
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Quote: I love the typhoon for shield-tanking (never tried armor tanking but will very soon) only thing negativ i see about this ship is the limited diversity in high slots. 4 turret 4 launcher keeps possibilitys down
best looking BS btw
use ur imagination lad
its not eleagal to use something else on typhoon than launchers or turrets...
how abaut 4 Nosferatus and 4 launchers or 4 turrets? or maybe smartbombs?
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2004.03.12 23:30:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: Typhoon is bad at mining and bad at npc killing because of its lowly 4 turret slots.
And in pvp it doesn't have many advantages either. Very low hitpoints, inadequate power, and compared to the tempest the ship bonus isn't very good. It does however have cpu and speed and a nice dronebay, and it can be both shield tanked and armour tanked. Still, it doesn't excel at anything.
Its damage output is also nothing more than mediocre, better than scorpion for sure but that isn't really saying much.
its best Tir 1 BS .... and if u thik Typhoon damage out put is small.. then i wonder what is _big_ damage output then? DeathStar?
no offence, but u sound like a man who dont know much abaut typhoon....
ok, lets go.
Tempest obviously outdamages the Typhoon. Better ship bonus, at l4 the difference is only slightly inferior to a gyro II. When the stacking nerf hits, the bonus is better than a gyro II. Add the extra turretslots and powergrid, you get the picture.
Dominix and megathron outdamage the typhoon easily.
Raven has a bonus for missile launchers, so with the 4 launchers on both ships that has to be launchers, raven have the damage advantage. The projectile bonus doesn't make projectiles on par with hybrids anyways, so damage on the turret slots will at best be equal, if the typhoon use hybrids.
Armageddon will outdamage the typhoon easily.
Apocalypses set to do high damage will also outdamage typhoons, regular laser apocalypses however will fall short of the typhoon. As will scorpions.
Ofc typhoon has a range bonus that is hard to include when comparing damage. The 4 missle only hardpoints kinda negates that anyways though.
As for 'big' damage output, look at armas, domis and megas.
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Pojo
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Posted - 2004.03.13 01:10:00 -
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Storm you completely missing the point all those high damage output ships will die long before they can overcome a tanked typhoon. The special thing about the typhoon is that you can have very good damage and have excellent staying power vs high dmg output ships. Damage output is not that important if you cant stay and soak up damage.
"Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.03.13 02:59:00 -
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I can't see how other ships can outdamage a Typhoon except a Tempest or a Blasterthron. The Typhoon range bonus does not mean much considering the extreme fall off range of the 1400, but it does mean getting a few more hits in with EMP-L at longer ranges. If you start to play with longer ranged ammo, the Typhoon's range gap vs. the Tempest starts to widen, and it may be the only ship in the game that can consistently hit over 100km, possibly even the new sentry gun range.
In my personal experience, it outdamages all the other tier 1 BS, the Raven and the Apoc, leaving only the Blasterthron and the Tempest.
Tier 1 BS can't hold more than four big guns. That's 4 1400s vs. 4 Neutron Blasters vs. 4 Tachs vs. 4 425 Rails.
Regardless of the opinions on those weapons, it's what you hold second that pushes it right over the top.
Four launchers with cruise missiles pushes that right over the top over the secondary weapons the other BS, which are often a secondary large weapons or even cruiser medium guns. For example, in my personal Armaggedon setup, I got a Dual Heavy Beam and 2 Heavy Beams against my personal Typhoon's 4 launchers, while the main guns for the Arma is 4 Tachs vs. the Phoon's 4 1400s. My Scorp's secondary armament only has 2 launchers. If you put four 425 rails or neutron blasters on a Dominix, you only got two slots left for a dual 250 or a ion blaster or electron blaster.
In the case of the Apoc, the ship got no ROF or damage bonus. In the case of the Raven, the 425s only has a range bonus, although it does let you use antimatter L at longer distances. The missile ROF bonus is balanced out against the 1400's ROF bonus. However, the Phoon is still a better sniper ship, as the 1400s still owns the 425s over distance.
You can fit 6 1400s on a Tempest, but it's going to be a hard fit, and you will be sacrificing relays and mods for disgnostics and reactor units.
Personally, I think the Phoon is the best ship if you're playing for distance.
_______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2004.03.13 11:17:00 -
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you need insane skills to use a tempest properly, where as the ty i believe would be an awesome close range killer and also a good long range cannon support, with all those torps and repeating cannons and drones and still power to tank close range i would use this ship for close attacks. also forget about being dampened most bb's will only get you to 12km and scorps tend to target jamm. with the close range you avoid the damp hell. "Teh lord of Nonni"
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