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Lucas De'Thal
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Posted - 2004.03.11 06:29:00 -
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read the CSM to know what I'm talking about. and yes, i think it would be nice to have.
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Imperishable
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Posted - 2004.03.11 06:49:00 -
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Sure, why not
JumpGate had a pretty good player statistics database, accessible from the web. I think this game should have something like that
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Lansfear
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Posted - 2004.03.11 06:59:00 -
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This would be great. Would help my very poor memory remember who I've killed.
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Araviel
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Posted - 2004.03.11 07:47:00 -
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/emote wonders how her stats would look like whit all the suicide attacks she have done 
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Shauna
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Posted - 2004.03.11 08:00:00 -
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Hmmm... weren't they saying something about trying to roll out some kind of statistics page back before Christmas? Wonder what happened to that... |
mahhy
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Posted - 2004.03.11 08:55:00 -
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My vote, yes.
Even though it will probably be fairly lopsided for me, more deaths than kills! 
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Beringe
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Posted - 2004.03.11 09:15:00 -
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Kill mails, yes. Kill lists, no.
I do not want to see people getting recognition for racking up kills, unless those are battleship kills. Preferably *armed* battleship kills.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.11 09:19:00 -
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Kill mails + ELO style ranking lists would be nice.
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qrac
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Posted - 2004.03.11 09:21:00 -
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Kill mails + ELO style ranking lists would be nice.
i've been waiting for that ranking list since they mentioned it during the summer..
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Balthamael
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Posted - 2004.03.11 09:31:00 -
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I think there should be option if you want to have your kills made public or not. Set default to not beeing made public. That way the people who wants to have statistics over kill are happy and those that dont are also happy.
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Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.03.11 09:46:00 -
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yep bring in kill-lists (unprocessed preferbly)- if posible add a flag to each profile: "publish kills", if not then just publish it all..
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Moah
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Posted - 2004.03.11 09:57:00 -
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by Beringe
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Kill mails, yes. Kill lists, no.
100% agree...
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.03.11 10:18:00 -
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I would welcome this feature.
Maybe make an opt-out for those not interesting, if possible. Naturally if a person boasts kills but have opted out of showing in public how many kills he has made and how many times he has been killed should be looked at much the same way you look at an alt posting flames/accusations and the like.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.03.11 10:48:00 -
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Kill mails with the same info as in the death mails would probably be good. That way you'll know who else participated in the kill.
I don't want the kill/death-list to be public without any means of opt-out for both the killer and the victim. This means that if the victim has opt-out and the killer has opt-in, it'll show up as an unspecified kill in the kill list (and unspecified death if it's the victim who has opt-in and killer opt-out).
And only names in the public kill list - no location info, weapon info and so on.
A small problem is the ppl who participated but didn't lay the final blow. Those could be listed as "also involved" or similar (or not listed at all).
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Ma'at
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Posted - 2004.03.11 11:01:00 -
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open to abuse.
im sure quite a few gimps will repeatedly kill their second account alts to get up high on the list.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.03.11 11:12:00 -
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Votes Yes.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.03.11 11:15:00 -
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open to abuse.
im sure quite a few gimps will repeatedly kill their second account alts to get up high on the list.
hmm... true...
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2004.03.11 11:23:00 -
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All kill mails and death mails should be processed into a list, but it shouldn't be publically viewable imo. People should be able to view only the entries where either of the participants are from the same corporation, and ofcourse their own kills/deaths. Even if someone else gets the final blow, if someone in your corporation was in on it it should show.
Later, when alliances are added you should also be able to view the entire alliance kill/death list.
Also, they should be sorted by what alliances/corporations the participants were currently members of, so people don't drag tons of kills and losses with them when they join new corporations.
thats my opinion, anyways.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.03.11 12:12:00 -
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Kill mails should be put in straight away IMHO, kill lists are a bit more dodgy though and whilst I really would like them in it would need to be in conjunction with the ELO system mentioned in the dev blog or it's effectively encouraging (more) people to just wander around killing everything in sight - which might be fun initially but would rapidly get very annoying and damage the game. If the ELO thing is implemented then it shouldn't be optional to have your kill list and rank displayed, making it optional just puts things back where they are now.
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2004.03.11 12:28:00 -
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kill mails definatly.. kill list dont know yet
but fix the mail
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Brother Victae
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Posted - 2004.03.11 12:37:00 -
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Athule has spotted the problem. You think we have a problem with gankers now, wait until they release kill lists. Im strongly opposed to this idea, I bought EVE-Online, not Planetside Space Combat expansion.
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fras
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Posted - 2004.03.11 13:15:00 -
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kill mails definately. Kill lists should be corportation/alliance based.
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Styrmir
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Posted - 2004.03.11 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: Styrmir on 11/03/2004 13:28:04
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open to abuse.
im sure quite a few gimps will repeatedly kill their second account alts to get up high on the list.
Just another nail in the Alt coffin I think. Many current and future features can be exploited or abused by the using of alts. Why not get rid of them allready? 
Regarding the kills: A kill mail would be fine. A must in a big battle I presume.
A puplic kill list is just pointless, this is not a FPS that revolves around stats.
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2004.03.11 13:30:00 -
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Well i think when we notice 'n000b xyz has killed n00b abc 123 times in an ibis' something is going on and people will realize that he isn't omigawdtehleetness
also what about all ship kills, someone said only armed battleship kills?
i fly a frigate frequently and kill ships, why shouldn't I get credit? :[
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Jexter
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Posted - 2004.03.11 13:57:00 -
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Kill mails yes. Kill lists no.
Anybody who played DAOC to the bone knows what kill lists do: race for the #1 position in every one of them. There would be no other parameter to tell who is the best pvper but the rankings in those lists. Compared to DAOC, in EVE it would be even worse since we have only 1 cluster, and therefore only 1 list.
In EVE killing your enemy is not as important as in DAOC. Most of the time it is far more profitable to ransom the victim or try to at least. With public kill lists the real motivation to attack and destroy a ship and pod his pilot would soon be the ranking on the list itself, something that has nothing to do with the current game mechanics.
There are corps out there (or single pilots) who do deals with their victims once they have trapped them. You even have corp-wide deals. Some of these corps don't even use alts and want to rely exclusively on the income generated by their pirate activity. If such lists would be made available to the public, many of these corps would instead opt for indiscriminate mass murdering while their alts would generate money to substain their actions. Yes I know that this is already the case for many self-claimed pirate corporations.
I guess that my point is that those lists would make the killing of other pilots a goal of the game, for many many players. Corps that now fight wars for a reason (economical, territorial, etc.) could see many of their memebers turn into mass murderers just because they would look cool on the lists, without any ingame pertinent reason for doing so.
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Xin Aragon
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Posted - 2004.03.11 14:00:00 -
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JumpGate had a pretty good player statistics database, accessible from the web. I think this game should have something like that
Yes, but it led to a common attitude of some players to play for the sake of kill stats increasement alone, using every possible (including illegal/exploitive) means to increase them. Public kill ratios, kill counts, whatever, it does not belong into a role playing game.
I can understand, however, that some players have a very strong focus on player versus player activities and would like to have some kind of statistics for their performance, like traders have their wallets as indicator for their success.
Why not implement kill statistics into the EVE Insider/Character information section of the site, just like the skill list, only accessible and viewable to the player and nobody else?
Another nice addition would be then to seperate faction kills from each other, seperate respective ship class kills from each other (killed 10 frigates, 5 cruisers, 3 battleships, and so on), and maybe even add some sort of rating as we knew it in Elite, such as a certain kill count gives you a better rating, like harmless, dangerous, deadly, et cetera.
All nice additions, but making them publicly available for each player just leads to a "mine is longer than yours" attitude.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.03.11 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 11/03/2004 14:07:28
... What if the public kill list was limited to simple records:
"System :: Time of death :: Killed player's name :: Killed player's corporation :: Killed player's ship"
it'd then allow everyone to verify how many ships were lost by given corporation (if any), how many times (if at all) someone died... but since there's no information 'glorifying' those who killed, there's no rush to the top... because there'd be no top?
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.03.11 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: cashman on 11/03/2004 14:10:58
IMO, The list shouldn't be public but rather personal or corp -only.
Making it public will result in taunting and harrasment.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.03.11 14:11:00 -
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"Making it public will result in taunting and harrasment."
As opposed to what's going on the forum already? ;)
Would only cut on the number of "you died! i did not! You people lost 100 battleships! It was only 1 badger and the pilot was AFK!" bickering, imo...
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Xin Aragon
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Posted - 2004.03.11 14:11:00 -
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it'd then allow everyone to verify how many ships were lost by given corporation (if any), how many times (if at all) someone died... but since there's no information 'glorifying' those who killed, there's no rush to the top... because there'd be no top?
Well, imho, corp war statistics are another issue. Those should only be accessible by the two respective corps alone, not to the public, if only to find out "who is better".
That's what wars are all about anyway. 
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Styrmir
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Posted - 2004.03.11 14:13:00 -
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JumpGate had a pretty good player statistics database, accessible from the web. I think this game should have something like that
Yes, but it led to a common attitude of some players to play for the sake of kill stats increasement alone, using every possible (including illegal/exploitive) means to increase them. Public kill ratios, kill counts, whatever, it does not belong into a role playing game.
I can understand, however, that some players have a very strong focus on player versus player activities and would like to have some kind of statistics for their performance, like traders have their wallets as indicator for their success.
Why not implement kill statistics into the EVE Insider/Character information section of the site, just like the skill list, only accessible and viewable to the player and nobody else?
Another nice addition would be then to seperate faction kills from each other, seperate respective ship class kills from each other (killed 10 frigates, 5 cruisers, 3 battleships, and so on), and maybe even add some sort of rating as we knew it in Elite, such as a certain kill count gives you a better rating, like harmless, dangerous, deadly, et cetera.
All nice additions, but making them publicly available for each player just leads to a "mine is longer than yours" attitude.
Yes, I agree. Personal kill stats are another matter.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.03.11 14:17:00 -
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Kill mails - definitely.
Kill lists - Only if there were an option to personally opt out and corp opt out (CEO option).
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.03.11 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: Morkt Drak on 11/03/2004 16:08:45
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Kill mails, yes. Kill lists, no.
I do not want to see people getting recognition for racking up kills, unless those are battleship kills. Preferably *armed* battleship kills.
A kill LIST is not a Kill table.
You are tlaking about Kill_Tables.
As in the other thread: why is a battleship kill more significant than a cruiser kill? WHy is a cruiser Kill more significant than a frigate kill? Especially given that in pure isk terms some frigates cost more than cruisers now.
A ship is a ship is a ship.
The idea of the raw files being dumped unsorted on a daily basis is for us, the player, to sort out the information we require and end these incessant (and stupid) arguements over who killed who.
The information is allready gathered by CCP, we know in RP terms that it is allready used by CONCORD (insurance and kill eve mails).
From the other thread on the Corp forums comes the best suggestion too date:
Only disply kills of Corporations that are at war. ALlow the option for a pilot name to be *anonymous*. (THe kill and ship type etc is still listed, just not the pilots name).
As far as i am concerned from the "Press" perspective, we will not ever be able to do proper reporting on ongoing ocnflicts or even idividual battles without these tools. Never. Ever. Fullstop.
Even the warring parties invariably disagree on who killed who and given issue with latency and dodgy display graphics that is not surprising.
We need a way to stop the endless and pointless bickering between players and we need a way to empower others to report on the short and long term changes in wars.
That shouldn't ever be limited by ship type, nor by ship kill, and the only logical "Opt out" is for removal of name, not removal of the statistic itself.
Remember: We are asking for the raw files here, not a table, not a means for self-glorification of gank-gankers. But an end to needless bickering and to give the rest of the galaxy a chance to, at long last, clearly see who is telling the truth and get a clear and accurate view on ongoing conflicts.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.03.11 17:58:00 -
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It could have it's uses but would probably just end up and another **** measuring contest.
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Imperishable
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Posted - 2004.03.11 19:07:00 -
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Some people point out that making kill stats available is open to abuse: increasing those stats by killing alts
Here's a solution: when a character is destroyed, it is deleted from all kill lists and kill count is decremented accordingly. You could actually have 2 kill counters: actual and effective. Effective kill count would be the reduced one from deleted chars.
That way people can kill only a couple alts and they won't be able to delete them without losing their stats. And others can see they were killing the same character, who nobody ever seen, way too many times so it's suspecious
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