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Revolution Rising
Venture Research and Resources
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Posted - 2007.12.09 01:36:00 -
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There's the new Dev Blog regarding finances, and various other aspects of eve, economy, ships and corporations.
One facet I was very interested in was the 600 corps that had 100% tax rate (something like 5% of player corps).
I am actually wondering how the corp structure works for these corps, how people make money and what the players do when they get low on funds or whatever.
If you're new to corp running, many people choose good ol' 5-10% tax rate and grow the corp like your average garden and weed out the people they don't want. Is this tax rate an auto-weeder? ;)
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Antithysis
Gallente
Athanasius Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 01:43:00 -
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More than likely those corps with 100% tax rate are communistic corps, so everything is provided to the members by the corp (individuals don't need their own ISK).
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.09 01:47:00 -
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apart from very very organized corps, which are easy to check on ccp side, from prod to market, a lot of them are isk farmer corps, most of those running on a "go rat"(when they're not mining)
but high tax has a good point tbh. ours has 25, considered as rather high on many corps, but it damn helps the corps, so it also helps the tax payers
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humbleThC
Gallente
The humble Crew
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.09 01:48:00 -
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Edited by: humbleThC on 09/12/2007 01:49:15
Greets.
Basically there's a various way to run a corporation, commononly refered to as "communism". There are many different varations of it, and my corp is one of them.
It generally works best when your corp consists of 3-30 real-life members containing 3-60 toons or whatever. Point being small enough for just a couple leaders to be constantly aware and able to accurate predict the needs and wants of thier members. Any bigger then this and you will undoubtly have conflicts.
Anyways, corporations like this excell very much because along with communism generally comes "perfect trust" in which every member of the corp is treated equally and every member of the corp has full access to all corp assets. In these scenario's there is very little to no such thing as personal isk and personal assets in your personal hangar, instead groups focus on sharing assets, thus not wasting extra isk on making sure everyone has thier own ratting raven, just have enough for the corp to use at any given point and time, and use the rest of the isk elsewhere.
When any one person looses an asset, its a corp asset, generally corp insured, and it becomes the corps responsibility to replace it. Corp members generally leave the shopping to one or two people who are good at it, and have the logistics capability. Corps buy more then enough supplys to keep all thier members happy and going with whatever they do.
Corps like this allow people to focus on either what they are good at, or what they like to do, and have a few key members at the core making sure everyone else is going strong.
I'm sure this summarizes 98% of the 100% tax corps.
Except those nasty CEOs who recruit a bunch of isk farmers, set the corp tax to 100% and log in atleast once every 24hrs to keep assigning roles to the isk farmer who cant otherwise speak english or file petitions. (the other 2%)
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Graalum
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.09 01:49:00 -
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i have a two man alt corp with 100% taxes
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The Mittani
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.09 02:10:00 -
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communism has always worked out very well i love 100% tax corps
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Val Parallax
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Posted - 2007.12.09 02:11:00 -
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Many Corps set there tax rate temporarily to 100% for specific ops such as a ratting op. I suspect that a good number of the 600 corps with the 100% tax rate had it set temporarily at the time the data was captured for that report.
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.09 02:36:00 -
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Well, tax is only collected from people who rat or run missions, so it's not like 100% tax makes it impossible to make money for the individual player
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jbob2000
Gallente
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.09 03:39:00 -
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KIA uses 100% tax rate when on contract so people don't carebear.
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Jolnas Arbiter
Cosmic Ascension
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Posted - 2007.12.09 03:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Hannobaal
Well, tax is only collected from people who rat or run missions, so it's not like 100% tax makes it impossible to make money for the individual player
+1
Also the fact is that 1 man corps have a lot less members on average then 80 person corps.
So these probably make up a disproportionate amount of cooperations.
Also I've heard that BOB Black Nova Corp has a 100% tax rate to stop people from ratting and actually do something important.
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DrSeuss
Gallente
Phoenix Propulsion Labs
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.12.09 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: humbleThC
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My corp is also one of these, close to what you say but diff in some respects.
The Tax rate in these corps, if they are run right, is nothing to really bother with, as the bulk of the corps ISK income comes from production, not farming.
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Kushion
Anti Sweden Defense Force
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Posted - 2007.12.09 05:18:00 -
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I wonder if most of those corps are alt corps? I use 100% tax and all alts have main wallet access. It makes buying things across characters easier.
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Local Her0
Minmatar
La Mancha Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.09 06:17:00 -
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100% tax aint workin in the drone regions lol
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Xenny Lee
Minmatar
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 06:18:00 -
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On one of my alt corps I currently have about 15-20% tax and I'm thinking of bringing it to 100 if I bring in more research agents and such. I honestly doubt many pvp corps sustain such a rate (since ratting is such a huge factor for these members to raise isk and sec status) but in an industrial corp (you know the people that make money playing the market, making thingies, mining, and such) you don't really care about the tax.
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Crypt
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Graalum
i have a two man alt corp with 100% taxes
AHA! I always suspected you were Peoke! 
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Graalum
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.09 06:54:00 -
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Originally by: Crypt
Originally by: Graalum
i have a two man alt corp with 100% taxes
AHA! I always suspected you were Peoke!
sup crypt ltns.
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Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2007.12.09 11:55:00 -
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Edited by: Victor Vision on 09/12/2007 11:56:14
Originally by: jbob2000
KIA uses 100% tax rate when on contract so people don't carebear.
Yes, this is common practice, not just at KIA.
For non-mercenary corps it is often when a big OP of whatever kind is planned.
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Xaeon
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.12.09 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Vision
Edited by: Victor Vision on 09/12/2007 11:56:14
Originally by: jbob2000
KIA uses 100% tax rate when on contract so people don't carebear.
Yes, this is common practice, not just at KIA.
For non-mercenary corps it is often when a big OP of whatever kind is planned.
Yerp, I would think a lot of people were at 100% because of this too. I know we have done before.
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Jesum
Amarr
Warmongers
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Posted - 2007.12.09 21:14:00 -
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Example:
"OK guys money-making week's over! Get in your pvp ships and start pvping! I'm setting tax to 100% since you shouldn't be pveing anyway! -CEO"
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.09 21:46:00 -
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I'd say 100%ers(Ö) fall in to 3 broad categories:
1) Largest group are one-player alt corps. As all pilots in said corp are owned by the same person, there is no danger in giving them all corp wallet access and just using the corp wallet as a communal access wallet to minimise on the hassle of switching pilots to get hold of money.
2) Second largest would be isk farmers. Self explanatory really- they're putting their money in the communal pot for resale anyway, so might as well cut out a step.
3) Smallest would be actual communist corps, who provide EVERYTHING for their members, and take all of their money to pay for it. Doubt there are many, but there are a few high profile examples.
(Note: none of the above is based on any sort of facts, figures or proof of any kind).
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Mitch Taylor
Dark-Rising
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.09 22:05:00 -
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dark is communist we provide everything for our members. our tax rate fluctuates between 50-100% dependent on needs. We also have one week per month at 10% for members to make money for gtc's.
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Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 23:03:00 -
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Sometimes we have 25% and sometimes we have 100%. Mostly after someone got drunk and changed it.
If you run 100% the idea must be that the corp then gives its members exactly what they need.
Communistic layout for most is my guess, thats how we run things anyway.
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Teldi Beinew
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.10 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani
communism has always worked out very well i love 100% tax corps
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Antiquus Inflatio
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: Antiquus Inflatio on 10/12/2007 17:07:09
Originally by: DrSeuss
Originally by: humbleThC
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My corp is also one of these, close to what you say but diff in some respects.
The Tax rate in these corps, if they are run right, is nothing to really bother with, as the bulk of the corps ISK income comes from production, not farming.
Er... that explains why I'm always looking at the split end of a roid....
Actually, we have a pretty cool corp, and I can say from the bottom end, we are well taken care of. But it's a small corp, which helps because no one gets lost in the shuffle.
hmmm I notice no corp ticker on this post - but it should be the same as Doc's and this is no alt.
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Espen
NorCorp Security
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Mitch Taylor
dark is communist we provide everything for our members. our tax rate fluctuates between 50-100% dependent on needs. We also have one week per month at 10% for members to make money for gtc's.
How is that working out for ya? i sure as hell wouldn't rat with over 20% tax and i'm not the only one feeling that way.
Do you really make any isk from having such high tax?
People generally wouldn't rat if they don't get the isk.. although they do indirectly if you support them with ships etc, but still.. i think low tax is the way to go, people would rat and support themselves and yet the corp makes some money of it.
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:42:00 -
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I honestly can't see why anyone would join a Communist Corp unless they were a Leech.
Regardless of the goals, you're still gonna have to make money from somewhere. If you are guaranteed to get a ship when you want it, what is to stop you from just roaming and getting blown up constantly? Who is going to make the isk to pay for that ship?
As a Capitalistic Pig, I'll be dammed if I'm going to go work so that someone else can take the money from me. That's too much like RL and the welfare system in the USA.
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Mitch Taylor
Dark-Rising
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Espen
Originally by: Mitch Taylor
dark is communist we provide everything for our members. our tax rate fluctuates between 50-100% dependent on needs. We also have one week per month at 10% for members to make money for gtc's.
How is that working out for ya? i sure as hell wouldn't rat with over 20% tax and i'm not the only one feeling that way.
Do you really make any isk from having such high tax?
People generally wouldn't rat if they don't get the isk.. although they do indirectly if you support them with ships etc, but still.. i think low tax is the way to go, people would rat and support themselves and yet the corp makes some money of it.
I blame charisma, the dudes tend to do what they are asked ;)
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Ohne
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.10 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Jodi
I honestly can't see why anyone would join a Communist Corp unless they were a Leech.
Regardless of the goals, you're still gonna have to make money from somewhere. If you are guaranteed to get a ship when you want it, what is to stop you from just roaming and getting blown up constantly? Who is going to make the isk to pay for that ship?
As a Capitalistic Pig, I'll be dammed if I'm going to go work so that someone else can take the money from me. That's too much like RL and the welfare system in the USA.
You obvoisly dont know what they really do in those communist corps... I got an alt in evol just to get peice of the action...
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Frogzuk
Dragonian Freelancers
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.11 00:01:00 -
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as mercs - tax is set at 100% during contracts and reset to 0%-10% off contract
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Drykor
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.12.11 00:14:00 -
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The problem I have with 100% tax corps is that it only affects missionrunners and ratters, while there are hundreds of other ways to make money. And it encourages alt ratting/missionrunning in anything but very small personal corps.
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