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Brunis
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Posted - 2004.03.11 16:39:00 -
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Most people out there think that there are to many battleships and that they are to general in uses.
Ive been thinking of an solution that might work though it probely needs some polishing.
Make battleships unable to lock on to frigates  , that way frigates actually have a chance and a use in Eve, plus expensive ships like battleships will suddenly need escort while traveling and that will make people team play more in that way also.
When battleships can't lock on to frigates, cruisers and frigates will also play a big role in fleetbattles, it will no longer only be reserved for rich people with battleships, small corps will then also have a chance at making a difference. 
Another thing, make battleships unable to have any miners on it, as MANY people have said, its a battleship not a miner 
Btw. sorry for the bad english 
/Brunis
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Brunis
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Posted - 2004.03.11 16:46:00 -
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Also forgot to say:
Some people might now say that battleships wont have a role that way.
It WILL have a role, cruisers will be the ones to shoot the frigates and battleships the cruisers and other battleships, and battleships will also be used for shooting stations
/Brunis
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.03.11 16:47:00 -
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Who needs to lock, when you got smartbombs and drones?
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Brunis
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Posted - 2004.03.11 16:50:00 -
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Make drones so they need a lock before they are able to attack.. In some way i think smartbombs should actually be able to get the figates since they can just keep some distance
/Brunis
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Maule
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Posted - 2004.03.11 16:51:00 -
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A frigate is allready good in fleet battles.. if you have the right setup on it you can orbit a bs whit 2.5km/s whit warp scrambler and webber and only fear missiles as your flying so fast that guns cant really hit you. and if someone shoots missiles at you, you can outrun them whit no problem... and it allready takes agens for a bs to lock a frigate so the main fleet have more than enough time to kill that bs that the rigate is jamming and webbing. there is a risk at being a frigate pilot in a fleet battle but they are just as important as a another bs. look at it this way: you have 10bs and no frigates and your on long/medium range, then you might kill 1 bs.. if you have 9bs and 1 frigate you have a bigger chance of killing that bs whitout loosing that frigate....
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Maule
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Posted - 2004.03.11 16:53:00 -
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forgot about drones. but a few missile launchers on that frigate whit heavy¦s and you can deal whit them... just fly away from them while your shooting missiles at them
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Brunis
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Posted - 2004.03.11 17:00:00 -
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People can just place a light/med gun on their BS to take out the frigs, plus there isent many people using frigs in fleetbattles because heavy actually can still hit frigs. In fact ive never heard or seen frigs in fleet battles.
Think of it, making them unable to lock to frigs (or at least have it take minutes if you don't have BS fitted for frig killing) won't ruin any fleetbattles either, it will IMO make them much much more interesting and you now wont just have to send all the battleships into the battle, but will have to codinate frigs and cruiser in also at the right time
/Brunis
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.03.11 17:10:00 -
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People can just place a light/med gun on their BS to take out the frigs, plus there isent many people using frigs in fleetbattles because heavy actually can still hit frigs. In fact ive never heard or seen frigs in fleet battles.
Think of it, making them unable to lock to frigs (or at least have it take minutes if you don't have BS fitted for frig killing) won't ruin any fleetbattles either, it will IMO make them much much more interesting and you now wont just have to send all the battleships into the battle, but will have to codinate frigs and cruiser in also at the right time
A battleship with cruiser/frigate guns is free cake for another battleship with real guns. Please, outfit your bship with lesser weapons.
Frigates are not supposed to win the day alone against battleships. I don't care if you bring 100 frigates. If the pilot of that battleship has taken steps to chew through your 100 frigates, you deserve to die. It's your fault for bringing 100 frigates instead of 99 frigates and a battleship. Cause that battleship can only pose a threat to one group and will lose to the other.
That's the essence of mixed fleet tactics.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Brunis
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Posted - 2004.03.11 17:17:00 -
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Jash..
Even if the BS only have heavy guns on it the frigs will still not have a chance.
I think CCP intended BS's to be the once that took out stations and other battleships and maybe cruisers, but not frigs.
But even if thats not right then it would still IMO make everything more interesting, fx. gate camping will require frigs and cruisers also, not just BS's filled with jammers and scramblers and so on.
/Brunis
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Marcus Grisbius
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Posted - 2004.03.11 17:41:00 -
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One frig can take out almost any cruiser, almost certainly with an elite frig though. A group of 4-5 frigs can effectively take out a battleship, even without target jamming it. It CAN happen but not always. You still have good odds and less risk. The biggest dangers to frigs are Webbers, Drones, Missiles and Smartbombs. But each of these can be fairly easily countered.
For the person(s) who have never seen/used a frig in a fleet battle, you are greatly missing out on their effectiveness.
Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn |
Maule
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Posted - 2004.03.11 17:47:00 -
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People can just place a light/med gun on their BS to take out the frigs, plus there isent many people using frigs in fleetbattles because heavy actually can still hit frigs. In fact ive never heard or seen frigs in fleet battles.
Think of it, making them unable to lock to frigs (or at least have it take minutes if you don't have BS fitted for frig killing) won't ruin any fleetbattles either, it will IMO make them much much more interesting and you now wont just have to send all the battleships into the battle, but will have to codinate frigs and cruiser in also at the right time
hmm have you been in any major fleet battles yet ? becurse all the major fleet battles I¦ve been in have had frigates whit it.... they are used to MWD over to the target BS. scramble and web him and orbit him whit the mwd at 7km range.. and then the big guns would have a really hard time hitting it.
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.03.11 18:10:00 -
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People can just place a light/med gun on their BS to take out the frigs, plus there isent many people using frigs in fleetbattles because heavy actually can still hit frigs. In fact ive never heard or seen frigs in fleet battles.
Think of it, making them unable to lock to frigs (or at least have it take minutes if you don't have BS fitted for frig killing) won't ruin any fleetbattles either, it will IMO make them much much more interesting and you now wont just have to send all the battleships into the battle, but will have to codinate frigs and cruiser in also at the right time
I see frigs in fleet battles all the time, and I have been in quiet a few
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Maule
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Posted - 2004.03.11 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: Maule on 11/03/2004 18:14:29
and make them unable to lock frigates.. what shall we do about the HUGE frig spawns in 0.0 space then ? get out on the wing and shot at them whit a 9mm glock? :)
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Brunis
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Posted - 2004.03.11 18:27:00 -
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And still lots and lots of people complain that BS's are to general in uses.
This way people will actually have to teamplay and not just (imo) have completed the game after you have gotten a BS.
Maule: Teamplay there also, have people help each other in battles againt NPC as with other players.
As it is now it all just about getting the biggets, meanest BS and most of them, with BS's not able to lock frigs (or aleast have it take a long time) would give everyone a chance.
Newb corps would have a way of defending them self and not have to hide everytime a big bad corp declares war on them.
And theres a lot of other places it would improve stuff.
/Brunis
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Maule
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Posted - 2004.03.11 18:27:00 -
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Edited by: Maule on 11/03/2004 18:35:36
nevermind :P
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Stevo
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Posted - 2004.03.11 18:35:00 -
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Make battleships unable to lock on to frigates , that way frigates actually have a chance and a use in Eve.
Another thing, make battleships unable to have any miners on it, as MANY people have said, its a battleship not a miner
Ok first of all unable to lock frigs? WTF? really cmon I mean people in bs's couldnt even exit the station without geting the whole damned corp to help them move from on station to the other in the same system.....
Second, ummm eveyone is complaining about bs's mining and how they are called battleships not miners...Well to umm bring eveyone up to date I dont think there is a ship in the game called a miner, right? I mean a cruiser isnt called a miner but people mine in them...and a frigate isnt called a miner and people mine in them?? If the way you are putting it by names no one should be able to mine.. Mabye you dont realize but me and many other people have worked too hard for our bs's for people like you to say there shouldnt be as many bs's....I mean really it took me about 5 months to get mine(not saying that you have one) But if you do why are you complaining about too many bs's....
But latley everyone has been complaining about how there are too many battleships!!! Wahhhhhh, CRY ME A FREKIN RIVER! And also there is PLENTY OF ASTERIODS TO MINE! Mabye if people would quit being pansy's and get out of .5 - 1.0 space to mine you might find out there are asteriod feilds with plenty of whatever the hell you want!
-Stevo
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Mitawyn
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Posted - 2004.03.11 18:41:00 -
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Most people out there think that there are to many battleships and that they are to general in uses.
Ive been thinking of an solution that might work though it probely needs some polishing.
Make battleships unable to lock on to frigates , that way frigates actually have a chance and a use in Eve, plus expensive ships like battleships will suddenly need escort while traveling and that will make people team play more in that way also.
When battleships can't lock on to frigates, cruisers and frigates will also play a big role in fleetbattles, it will no longer only be reserved for rich people with battleships, small corps will then also have a chance at making a difference.
Another thing, make battleships unable to have any miners on it, as MANY people have said, its a battleship not a miner
Btw. sorry for the bad english
WEll, that is just fine and dandy!! But when you work for and pay for something, real life or virtual, you should have the right to do with it as you see fit and not because a bunch of other people decide for you. This is not a good idea. It is a very bad idea.
So what if there are more out here than a few other people would like to see. They think they should have their choice of ship be the most seen and used and everyone else can just fly a kite or what?
As for mining, if I want to mine with a bs, I will and that is not your right to say I can or cannot. Mind your own biz and I will take care of mine.
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Brunis
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Posted - 2004.03.11 18:42:00 -
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We have been in different corp for 4 months..
But enough of that.
Firgates can be killed with a voley from a BS, if you can't hit them they fire one or two torpedos into the croud and you got them.
What im trying to do also is to make some teamplay, plus the need of using different ships and not just get a load of BS's and start shooting.
/Brunis
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Maule
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Posted - 2004.03.11 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Maule on 11/03/2004 18:46:52
there is allreade plenty of team play.. whitout team play you will loose the battle you miht be in from time to time.. and for the torps.. you have a mwd meaning you can outrun that torps whit no probs...
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Brunis
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Posted - 2004.03.11 19:01:00 -
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But if you use lasers on the frig while you have the MWD you can't sustain fire for long..
And IMO the only teamplay there is now is where are you, what BS, what outfit.
With this idear you will add what ship, how many frigs, how many cruisers and how many battleships.
Not just how many BS's.
But lets see what others thinks and not just you maule
/Brunis
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Maule
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Posted - 2004.03.11 19:06:00 -
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team play is important in war.. e.i. who¦s the target is.. who the jammers shall jam and so on
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Brunis
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Posted - 2004.03.11 19:09:00 -
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Mitawyn
No need to be rude here, this is just an idear!
Also i have also worked hard and payed for my BS but that dosent give me the 20k cargo space i would like in it.
Again this is an idear i have that i thik would improve gameplay.
So please don't be rude and mind your own biz if you realy have to be rude 
/Brunis
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Maule
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Posted - 2004.03.11 19:10:00 -
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then move it to eve idear lap :P hehe
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Brunis
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Posted - 2004.03.11 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Brunis on 11/03/2004 19:18:50
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/Brunis
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Brunis
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Posted - 2004.03.11 19:23:00 -
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I wanted to know what other people think, not having it be a personal flamewar and have people be rude in general.
This comunity have gone down hill since last i played i see 
/Brunis
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2004.03.11 19:24:00 -
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Hm... hows about you get a clue, then get a battleship, then try to get CCP to slap them with the nerf bat... really... some people havent got a clue.
A battleship is meant for what it says, a BATTLE-SHIP!!! Battle, geddit?
If you want to mine with it, then go mine, if you want to fly around in it, then fly around in it, if you want to blow it up, blow it. You cannot penalize people because they've worked harder than you, simple?
If battleships couldnt lock frigates, then frigates would gang up, scramble a battleship, jam it, then launch at it untill it dies simple, exploitable to say the least, so hows about we actually talk about somthing WORTH OUR TIME, like station modules (deployables)...
Regards
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Maule
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Posted - 2004.03.11 19:31:00 -
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But if you use lasers on the frig while you have the MWD you can't sustain fire for long..
And IMO the only teamplay there is now is where are you, what BS, what outfit.
With this idear you will add what ship, how many frigs, how many cruisers and how many battleships.
Not just how many BS's.
But lets see what others thinks and not just you maule
hmmm no.. you can have 15bs and attacking 10bs.. if you dont have comunication and team play you will loose
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2004.03.11 19:36:00 -
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But if you use lasers on the frig while you have the MWD you can't sustain fire for long..
And IMO the only teamplay there is now is where are you, what BS, what outfit.
With this idear you will add what ship, how many frigs, how many cruisers and how many battleships.
Not just how many BS's.
But lets see what others thinks and not just you maule
hmmm no.. you can have 15bs and attacking 10bs.. if you dont have comunication and team play you will loose
Happens alot of times m8, i rememmber a group of 6 battleships, including myself drove off 10 battleships once, just because they didnt have proper communication or leadership, was fun 
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Aneu Angellus
Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
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Brunis
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Posted - 2004.03.12 01:19:00 -
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But if you use lasers on the frig while you have the MWD you can't sustain fire for long..
And IMO the only teamplay there is now is where are you, what BS, what outfit.
With this idear you will add what ship, how many frigs, how many cruisers and how many battleships.
Not just how many BS's.
But lets see what others thinks and not just you maule
hmmm no.. you can have 15bs and attacking 10bs.. if you dont have comunication and team play you will loose
In your own way your actually proving my point, how many BS's, well come on now, BS's alone shouldent win wars!
/Brunis
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Brunis
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Posted - 2004.03.12 01:28:00 -
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Hm... hows about you get a clue, then get a battleship, then try to get CCP to slap them with the nerf bat... really... some people havent got a clue.
Please..
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A battleship is meant for what it says, a BATTLE-SHIP!!! Battle, geddit?
If you want to mine with it, then go mine, if you want to fly around in it, then fly around in it, if you want to blow it up, blow it. You cannot penalize people because they''ve worked harder than you, simple?
Who says i havent worked hard for my BS? Ive sat up late at nights for days mining for mine!
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If battleships couldnt lock frigates, then frigates would gang up, scramble a battleship, jam it, then launch at it untill it dies simple, exploitable to say the least, so hows about we actually talk about somthing WORTH OUR TIME, like station modules (deployables)...
Regards
Thats were the escort comes in!
If we draw a line to the old battleships in WW1-2 they ALWAYS had destroyers and other ships protechting it, it was simply to expensive, slow and vulneable to faster ships. Today cariers take that role since they replaced battleships.
/Brunis
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