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Professor Alphane
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Posted - 2012.02.22 18:40:00 -
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How is gravity measured, I've seen pictures (heat maps) of variance in Earths gravity field, but don't really understand a couple of things. How do we 'perceive' gravity and is there any explanations for these discrepencies?
Also the sun is made mostly of hydrogen apparently, atomically one of the lightest things, they explain this as 'it's under great pressure' , how many more hydrogen atoms fit into the same space in the sun when compared to hydrgoen at atmospheric pressure.
/edit haven't taken in the whole threadnaught yet so sorry if this has been asked before
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Professor Alphane
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Posted - 2012.02.23 14:47:00 -
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If your still answering questions could you take a look at post #229.
If not looks like a fun thread will check it all out when I get the chance 
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Professor Alphane
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:57:00 -
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Tsadkiel wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:How is gravity measured, I've seen pictures (heat maps) of variance in Earths gravity field, but don't really understand a couple of things. How do we 'perceive' gravity and is there any explanations for these discrepencies?
Also the sun is made mostly of hydrogen apparently, atomically one of the lightest things, they explain this as 'it's under great pressure' , how many more hydrogen atoms fit into the same space in the sun when compared to hydrgoen at atmospheric pressure.
/edit haven't taken in the whole threadnaught yet so sorry if this has been asked before most of those heat maps are result of direct measurements of the local gravitational acceleration, g. this is usually done with something called a Gravimeter. they are basically very high precision accelerometers. there are a number of effects that need to be taken into account when measuring gravity. relative altitude is one factor, because the force due to gravity decreases as 1/r^2, where r is the distance between the masses of interest. because of this we see that the acceleration due to gravity on top of mount Everest is ever so slightly smaller than that measured in death valley. another factor to account for is the fact that the earth rotates, and so every object on the earth carries an angular and linear acceleration. because of this we measure a change in gravitational acceleration as we move from either pole towards the equator. this effect on the acceleration is similar to the changing acceleration on a roller coaster as it goes through a loop. there are other effects as well, but these are the two big ones we can calculate. once these are accounted for, the resulting map is a direct measure of the specific gravity (density) of the material underneath the meter. this allows us to use gravitational measurements to "scan" the earth for resources like oil or rare minerals and elements. as for your question about the sun, i don't know off the top of my head. i would have to calculate it, but the difference would be A LOT. the important thing to understand is that the "pressure" you are referring to is caused by gravity pulling the mass of the sun towards the center. hydrogen is the lightest of the elements, so to get a large enough pressure at the center to initiate fusion you need a great deal of it.
Cheers for the answer, could you recomend further reading regarding my quaestons if I find time to look into it further?
You have a very immpresive knowledge of your subject (though I still haven't tackled the whole threadnaught yet) Kudos to you 
Your a Scholar and a Gentleman Sir
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Professor Alphane
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Posted - 2012.03.05 13:25:00 -
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If your still being good enough to answer people serious queries (while I would be interested in particle weapons theoraetically )
My question goes something like this
Theres no such thing as the perpetual motion machine right?
Every effect has an equal and opposite consquence, nothing is frictionless etc.
How then do so many atoms display exactly the properties we refer to and say are impossible
ie, a continous system of motion that neither gains nor loses anergy and perputuates idefinatly?
Stumped me last night when I thought about it anyway
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Posted - 2012.03.05 22:31:00 -
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Cool think it's quantum mechanics I'm interested in thanks, I may look into it sometime.
Don't know if it's been asked before but why are planets all on a plane while in orbit around the sun?
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Professor Alphane
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:22:00 -
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Now this is based on something I saw on QI and may or may not be true.
Speed of light can be slowed by passing the beam through other materials (bromine or bromide sounds familiar).
Given this and given we do not really know the 'consitancy' of space, how do we know what the universe really looks like , AFAIK all our assumptions are based on the speed of light being constant ?
A.
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Professor Alphane
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Posted - 2012.03.16 13:25:00 -
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Tsadkiel wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Now this is based on something I saw on QI and may or may not be true.
Speed of light can be slowed by passing the beam through other materials (bromine or bromide sounds familiar).
Given this and given we do not really know the 'consitancy' of space, how do we know what the universe really looks like , AFAIK all our assumptions are based on the speed of light being constant ?
A. this question actually gave me pause. i was going to try and quote empirical evidence for the geometry of the universe that did not rely on our current cosmological models, and therefore the speed of light, but i couldn't (at least not off the top of my head)! if we ever gain the ability to travel astronomical distances easily, the measurement of spacial geometry becomes trivial. simply travel vast distances and make three turns. if you are able to return to your initial location by making only 90 degree turns, then the universe is "closed" (spherical. like drawing a large triangle over the surface of the earth). if you can return to your initial position and the angle of the turns add up to less than 180 degrees, then the universe is "open" (saddle shaped, like trying to draw a triangle inside of a large bowl). if you return to your initial position and the angles of your turn add up to exactly 180 degrees, then the universe is "flat" (like drawing a triangle on a piece of paper). on another note, the speed of light is different in all mediums when compared to a vacuum =D in water it is approximately 33% slower, and we can get this directly from the refractive index, n. the refractive index is defined as the ratio between the speed of light in a vacuum, c, and the speed of light in a material, V. we can measure n from a simple geometric examination of how light bends in a given material, and yes, this is somewhat of a simplification (there are wavelength effects as well) but the point is matter slows light down.the universality of c can be seen directly from classical electrodynamics. i think i wrote about this in an earlier post, which was to answer a similar question. hope this helps! T.
Wow I think I might of actually stumped you with that one. How about we try this little twist on the theory
If matter slows light
taken to it's nth degree matter STOPS light.
Given thats is the edge of the universe as you see it merely the edge of the 'visible' univerese given the length of a beam of light is not infinite.
Beyond the 'edge' you see nothing as no (photon) light reaches you from that space.
This might also explain the fact people seem to believe there is more mass in the univerese than there should be (hence the dark matter theory) .
It's possible that because gravity is an interaction beween 2 objects and not an energy packet you would still see the gravitational effect upon bodies you can see from bodies you cannot because of photonic decay (for want of a better phrase)
What do you reckon?
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Professor Alphane
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Posted - 2012.03.17 10:17:00 -
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Sorry perhaps I went to far , I hope I haven't offeded you.
It was just a logic game to me but I later realised this does sort of challenge some of the fundamentals in a totally unporavable way , these fundametals are most likely 'proved' in maths ( a form that is beyond my comprehesion currently) and far beyond my rather childish 'If X , why Y?' post.
Thanks for your time and effort in this thread though it has been frankly fascinating.
A.
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Professor Alphane
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:21:00 -
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RE: Stopped light - the fact matter can slow light to me implies something can interact with the beam and slow it, over a possibly infinite space surely this decelaration must = total , ie loss of momentum.. so yes basically what I am suggesting is that this beam will deteriote into your blob of random EM eventually.
You say that light has some property to self perpatuate, that sort of goes against my thoughts that nothing is truely infinite other than 'change' .
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:26:00 -
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You also may be able to explain this to me ..
I once saw a 'gimmik' item on a website that was a small ball that somehow became heavier with somesort of spinning item inside . Never saw one and only vaguley remeber the details but it did sort of imply to me it is possible to increase the gravity of an item somehow.
Is that true.. if so how and are there more than one method?
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Professor Alphane
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Posted - 2012.03.20 22:03:00 -
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Tsadkiel wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:RE: Stopped light - the fact matter can slow light to me implies something can interact with the beam and slow it, over a possibly infinite space surely this decelaration must = total , ie loss of momentum.. so yes basically what I am suggesting is that this beam will deteriote into your blob of random EM eventually.
You say that light has some property to self perpatuate, that sort of goes against my thoughts that nothing is truely infinite other than 'change' . i've said it before and i'll say it again, you can be as uncomfortable with the scientific results all you want, but that wont change the nature of the universe. yes, light is self propagating. this comes directly from Maxwell's equations when applying them as a solution to the wave equation. a changing E field can induce a changing B field which can induce a changing E field etc... the other thing to note that the slowing down of light i am referring to in my previous post is a change in its velocity when it enters a medium, not the continual deceleration of light. we have no evidence to support the latter. light traveling at c enters a medium where the speed of light is 1 m/s, the light will start traveling at 1 m/s and keep traveling at 1 m/s until it is absorbed or it leaves the medium. as for the spinning toy thing, i've never heard of this. now, it IS true that that space-time curves in the presence of energy densities (and mass carries a great deal of it, hence Newtonian gravitation). we have indeed proved this in the lab and it implies that a compressed spring is ever so slightly "heavier" than an uncompressed spring, but to see this at a macroscopic level, and in a toy non the less, makes me suspicious. do you have a link to this thing? i would love to read about it! =D
I'll need to do some searching to find the link to that toy, I saw one at christmas when I was shopping for my son but can't remeber what it called itself.
Still your description of light is hard to reconcile to my mind what you now describe is a perfect resonating 'pertual motion' entity that while being influenced in velocity by enviroment doesn't lose it's perfectly phased and balanced wave unto the infinite. You are implying it is constant in everything but velocity but then it was earlier though it was of constant velocity.
Science is only the abiltiy to see what can be seen, but forever there is more that could be seen
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Professor Alphane
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Posted - 2012.03.21 13:37:00 -
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Thanks again for this thread , most enjoyable on EVE gate EVA so far 
I hope your not offended if I seem to be stubbonly holding on to my small minded lttle view but truely that is probably a fair assement. 'Small minded'
I more than appreciate you taking your time and effort to teach me somehting I'm very interested in, but unfortunatly I don't have the knowledge of the fundamentals nor the mathmatical ablity to fully understand your answers, while I generally know what your on about and I can compare that to what I think I know, your full meaning escapes me.
I'm not being obtuse and stubborn of my views (well hopefully) I really don't understand the technicalities or full implications of what you say and it would take me some time to fully study the subject to understand even half of what you have said in this thread.
But if you would be good enough to indulge me once again
Oribital deteration- Is the earth destined to die in a fiery death by orbiting closer and closer the sun?
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Posted - 2012.03.23 13:01:00 -
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When I saw a proggrame about that sort of experiment the (biggest) laser (array in the world) wasn't used for commpresion , the 'pellet' was in a massive pressure chamber, the laser was the 'Ignition' device.
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