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iNsAn3	Posted - 2007.12.10 13:51:00 - [1] Edited by: iNsAn3 on 10/12/2007 13:51:45 I personally believe this to be the best of all the new EAS (generally) and quite possibly the hardest to kill. Here is my setup (Designed to be a bastard in supporting fights) Highs 2x Small Dimi Nos 1x Small Unstable Neut Meds 1x 1MN MWD II 1x 24km Scram 2x Tracking Disruptor (tracking script) Or 1x Tracking Disruptor 1x Cap Recharger (if you have bad cap skills) Lows 2x Nanofiber II 1x OD II Dronebay 4x Hobgoblin II 4x Warrior II 4x Light ECM Drones Makes over 4000km/s with max skills and totally sustainable and can orbit around 15km with decent skills Any opinions or improvements? --- The Cake Is A LIE?!?!
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.10 13:56:00 - [2] swaping a nos for a neut, and replacing the cap recharger for a small cap booster is also viable. you need a MAPC to fit it all however. --- planetary interaction idea!
iNsAn3	Posted - 2007.12.10 14:04:00 - [3] Originally by: Grimpak swaping a nos for a neut, and replacing the cap recharger for a small cap booster is also viable. you need a MAPC to fit it all however. i dont think you will be much use as a nos guzzling ship unless its anti tackler / frigate. I prefer to look at this ship as a pair of tracking disruptors that will be found hard to be killed. long story short, your setup = win for anti frig mine boasts more gang capability. --- The Cake Is A LIE?!?!
Aakito	Posted - 2007.12.10 14:21:00 - [4] So you offer 2 TD with nos.. both modules have been nerfed to hell. Why bother.. As for hard to kill.. meh, how long would you last against 5 warrior IIs flying at 6km/s?
Almarez Setenta Corp	Posted - 2007.12.10 14:27:00 - [5] Originally by: Aakito So you offer 2 TD with nos.. both modules have been nerfed to hell. Why bother.. As for hard to kill.. meh, how long would you last against 5 warrior IIs flying at 6km/s? You sir are...CORRECT. FREE STONY Brought to you by the Free Stony Foundation. Saving a Stony near you. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Wei Xiao The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.10 14:40:00 - [6] got the following in eft: Highs 3x small neut II Meds 1x 1MN MWD II 1x WD II 2x Cap Recharger Lows 3x CPR II Rigs 2 CCC Drones 4 hobgoblin II's do 79 dps not bad :) can permanetly run everything including 3 neuts neutralize 648 cap/12 secs (curse/pilgrim neutralize 720 cap /12 sec but sentinel can perman run 3 neuts) speed is a bit low only 2.8k and beware of light drones and missile boats.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.10 14:46:00 - [7] Originally by: Wei Xiao got the following in eft: Highs 3x small neut II Meds 1x 1MN MWD II 1x WD II 2x Cap Recharger Lows 3x CPR II Rigs 2 CCC Drones 4 hobgoblin II's do 79 dps not bad :) can permanetly run everything including 3 neuts neutralize 648 cap/12 secs (curse/pilgrim neutralize 720 cap /12 sec but sentinel can perman run 3 neuts) speed is a bit low only 2.8k and beware of light drones and missile boats. tried egress port maximizer rigs? --- planetary interaction idea!
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.10 14:48:00 - [8] Originally by: Wei Xiao got the following in eft: Highs 3x small neut II Meds 1x 1MN MWD II 1x WD II 2x Cap Recharger Lows 3x CPR II Rigs 2 CCC Drones 4 hobgoblin II's do 79 dps not bad :) can permanetly run everything including 3 neuts neutralize 648 cap/12 secs (curse/pilgrim neutralize 720 cap /12 sec but sentinel can perman run 3 neuts) speed is a bit low only 2.8k and beware of light drones and missile boats. i had: small nos II small neut II x2 balmer MWD II recharger II faint 20k CPR II OD II with semiconductor rigs x2 3.7k ms ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
iNsAn3	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Aakito So you offer 2 TD with nos.. both modules have been nerfed to hell. Why bother.. As for hard to kill.. meh, how long would you last against 5 warrior IIs flying at 6km/s? QQ ? --- The Cake Is A LIE?!?!
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:55:00 - [10] Originally by: iNsAn3 Originally by: Aakito So you offer 2 TD with nos.. both modules have been nerfed to hell. Why bother.. As for hard to kill.. meh, how long would you last against 5 warrior IIs flying at 6km/s? QQ ? QQ over a ship that will be popped in record time with a few spare hobgoblins? TDs are useless, Neuts and NOS counteract eachother, and you need to throw 50 mil isk of rigs in this frigate to get it anywhere near cap stable.... Yeah ok. An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:58:00 - [11] Edited by: Grimpak on 10/12/2007 17:59:27 Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: iNsAn3 Originally by: Aakito So you offer 2 TD with nos.. both modules have been nerfed to hell. Why bother.. As for hard to kill.. meh, how long would you last against 5 warrior IIs flying at 6km/s? QQ ? QQ over a ship that will be popped in record time with a few spare hobgoblins? TDs are useless, Neuts and NOS counteract eachother, and you need to throw 50 mil isk of rigs in this frigate to get it anywhere near cap stable.... Yeah ok. egress port maximizers will make your neuts much more easy to sustain. And last time I checked, they cost something between the 8mil and 12mil. much more lighter in the wallet than CCC's or SMC's. --- planetary interaction idea!
David Yanakov Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:13:00 - [12] Tracking disruptors are far from nerfed. I have yet to see a ship that can hit a frigate orbiting at over 3 km/s when it has a 75% nerf to tracking speed. As for cap stable, I use pretty much the same fit as the OP and can run everything for 7 minutes at a time. In the sort of gang where this ship is useful, if you stick around that long, you're going to die.
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:31:00 - [13] Originally by: David Yanakov Tracking disruptors are far from nerfed. I have yet to see a ship that can hit a frigate orbiting at over 3 km/s when it has a 75% nerf to tracking speed. As for cap stable, I use pretty much the same fit as the OP and can run everything for 7 minutes at a time. In the sort of gang where this ship is useful, if you stick around that long, you're going to die. Hey I wonder if the optimal scripts do anything of importance to blasters and ACs, or if TDs do anything at all to drones, missiles, or target acquisition... A frig orbiting @ 3km/sec (meaning the sentinel) means its an untanked lunch for a few light drones of any type. To be cap stable and usable it really needs 50 mil isk in rigs.... An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:32:00 - [14] Edited by: Grimpak on 10/12/2007 18:32:49 Originally by: shinsushi A frig orbiting @ 3km/sec (meaning the sentinel) means its an untanked lunch for a few light drones of any type. To be cap stable and usable it really needs 50 mil isk in rigs.... as I said before, egress port maximizers. but in the rest you're right. the sentinel, like all the other EAS ships will die to a swarm of T2 warriors. --- planetary interaction idea!
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:46:00 - [15] Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 10/12/2007 18:32:49 Originally by: shinsushi A frig orbiting @ 3km/sec (meaning the sentinel) means its an untanked lunch for a few light drones of any type. To be cap stable and usable it really needs 50 mil isk in rigs.... as I said before, egress port maximizers. but in the rest you're right. the sentinel, like all the other EAS ships will die to a swarm of T2 warriors. The hyena will easily be able to out-run light drones The Kitsune can and should operate will outside of drone range The Keres can damp/scramble a ship from outside of its locking range. All of those can be done without rigs.... The sentinel more or less requires rigs to work, has to sacrifice its lows for cap stability, and has to operate within warrior II range without being able to outrun them.... How is it not a sad excuse for a ship again? An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:09:00 - [16] Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 10/12/2007 18:32:49 Originally by: shinsushi A frig orbiting @ 3km/sec (meaning the sentinel) means its an untanked lunch for a few light drones of any type. To be cap stable and usable it really needs 50 mil isk in rigs.... as I said before, egress port maximizers. but in the rest you're right. the sentinel, like all the other EAS ships will die to a swarm of T2 warriors. The hyena will easily be able to out-run light drones The Kitsune can and should operate will outside of drone range The Keres can damp/scramble a ship from outside of its locking range. All of those can be done without rigs.... The sentinel more or less requires rigs to work, has to sacrifice its lows for cap stability, and has to operate within warrior II range without being able to outrun them.... How is it not a sad excuse for a ship again? 1: yes, if you slap like polycarbs and LG snakes and stuff. kinda like a pimped crow. 2: if you sacrifice rig slots, low slots or a med slot for a sensor booster, yes. 3: tbh damps are not what they were here. I'm seeing the ship packing more scrams than damps --- planetary interaction idea!
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:19:00 - [17] Edited by: shinsushi on 10/12/2007 19:19:29 Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 10/12/2007 18:32:49 Originally by: shinsushi A frig orbiting @ 3km/sec (meaning the sentinel) means its an untanked lunch for a few light drones of any type. To be cap stable and usable it really needs 50 mil isk in rigs.... as I said before, egress port maximizers. but in the rest you're right. the sentinel, like all the other EAS ships will die to a swarm of T2 warriors. The hyena will easily be able to out-run light drones The Kitsune can and should operate will outside of drone range The Keres can damp/scramble a ship from outside of its locking range. All of those can be done without rigs.... The sentinel more or less requires rigs to work, has to sacrifice its lows for cap stability, and has to operate within warrior II range without being able to outrun them.... How is it not a sad excuse for a ship again? 1: yes, if you slap like polycarbs and LG snakes and stuff. kinda like a pimped crow. 2: if you sacrifice rig slots, low slots or a med slot for a sensor booster, yes. 3: tbh damps are not what they were here. I'm seeing the ship packing more scrams than damps Your right, the hynea is @ just under a warrior IIs max speed w/ drone navigation lvl 3 w/o rigs, my mistake, w/ polys it'll outrun them though @ nav lvl 5. 2: why wouldn't you just use 1 mid to boost your targeting range? The sentinel needs to use 2 rig slots and 3 lows to do its job. 3: After the nerf, 1 maxed skilled damp on a Keres will reduce locking range by 53%, it can fit 3 AND scramble out to 36km. I think it'll be fine. An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:51:00 - [18] Originally by: shinsushi Edited by: shinsushi on 10/12/2007 19:19:29 Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 10/12/2007 18:32:49 Originally by: shinsushi A frig orbiting @ 3km/sec (meaning the sentinel) means its an untanked lunch for a few light drones of any type. To be cap stable and usable it really needs 50 mil isk in rigs.... as I said before, egress port maximizers. but in the rest you're right. the sentinel, like all the other EAS ships will die to a swarm of T2 warriors. The hyena will easily be able to out-run light drones The Kitsune can and should operate will outside of drone range The Keres can damp/scramble a ship from outside of its locking range. All of those can be done without rigs.... The sentinel more or less requires rigs to work, has to sacrifice its lows for cap stability, and has to operate within warrior II range without being able to outrun them.... How is it not a sad excuse for a ship again? 1: yes, if you slap like polycarbs and LG snakes and stuff. kinda like a pimped crow. 2: if you sacrifice rig slots, low slots or a med slot for a sensor booster, yes. 3: tbh damps are not what they were here. I'm seeing the ship packing more scrams than damps Your right, the hynea is @ just under a warrior IIs max speed w/ drone navigation lvl 3 w/o rigs, my mistake, w/ polys it'll outrun them though @ nav lvl 5. 2: why wouldn't you just use 1 mid to boost your targeting range? The sentinel needs to use 2 rig slots and 3 lows to do its job. 3: After the nerf, 1 maxed skilled damp on a Keres will reduce locking range by 53%, it can fit 3 AND scramble out to 36km. I think it'll be fine. so we can take that we both agree that they are both killable and unkillable --- planetary interaction idea!
Almarez Setenta Corp	Posted - 2007.12.10 20:31:00 - [19] Originally by: David Yanakov Tracking disruptors are far from nerfed. I have yet to see a ship that can hit a frigate orbiting at over 3 km/s when it has a 75% nerf to tracking speed. As for cap stable, I use pretty much the same fit as the OP and can run everything for 7 minutes at a time. In the sort of gang where this ship is useful, if you stick around that long, you're going to die. Don't you love how people use Eve fit and think it is viable. Look the ship is weak. Your 7 minutes won't mean anything when you have a wave of Warrior's coming at you, trust me. The only thing this thing might be decent at is going up against another frig sized cap using turret boat. You might even be able to move up to cruisers if it is an Amarr one. If the Amarr are a colony of ants then CCP is that mean kid with the magnifying glass trying to set the ants on fire.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests Cult of War	Posted - 2007.12.10 20:53:00 - [20] I think its pretty obvious that the sentinel is an amarr-eos. Not much more to say really. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Nhi'Khuna e X i l e Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.12.10 21:22:00 - [21] Originally by: Almarez Originally by: David Yanakov Tracking disruptors are far from nerfed. I have yet to see a ship that can hit a frigate orbiting at over 3 km/s when it has a 75% nerf to tracking speed. As for cap stable, I use pretty much the same fit as the OP and can run everything for 7 minutes at a time. In the sort of gang where this ship is useful, if you stick around that long, you're going to die. Don't you love how people use Eve fit and think it is viable. Look the ship is weak. Your 7 minutes won't mean anything when you have a wave of Warrior's coming at you, trust me. The only thing this thing might be decent at is going up against another frig sized cap using turret boat. You might even be able to move up to cruisers if it is an Amarr one. This coming from a member of the same corp who decided to fly their twin domis into our home territory and get WTF pwnd by two carriers and a bs fleet TWICE without scout? Sure, the ship (sentinel) has it's weaknesses, it is a frigate after all. Don't be so quick to ignore it though, that sucker is still screaming fast, packs allot of cap sucking power and can get in and out of hairy situations allot faster than it's bigger brother, the Curse. And like the Curse it's a finesse ship, takes a skilled pilot just like an inty.
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:16:00 - [22] Originally by: Nhi'Khuna Above What has happened in his corp has little relavence here, this isn't COAD. Its actually not screaming fast, its pretty slow... esp when you consider there just isn't room for nanos in the lows if you want to run the Neuts. Nos and Neuts work against eachother, and Nos only work inside of small windows where Neuts (and by extension the cap killing role) work to your own detriment, and against a module (boosters) you cannot do anything against. The curse works well in a small gang against one ship it's size and lower. In larger gangs the pilot would be more useful bringing more DPS or an ECM platform, and in solo its main weapon (nos/neuts) kills itself. Now with the drone nerf and TD nerf its just circling the drain.... Grimpak: We do agree to an extent. The sentinel is the most fragile and weakest EAS of the 4 with very limited defense. An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.
Bruce Deorum Minmatar Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.11 10:38:00 - [23] Edited by: Bruce Deorum on 11/12/2007 10:40:44 The sentinel is fine - within the Curse limitations it provides a frig sized vessel to practice with and do considerable "damage"... 1) Skills need to go up...lvl 4 is minimum for most related skills for the ship to have usable range and effectiveness, but that's fair enough. 2) I believe this ship is there to SUPPORT/compliment, not to solo-pwn without the Interceptor class. Why bother tackling with a slower EAS when you can do it with a faster/more agile ceptor way pass the 24km barrier? EAS = Ewar = fill the mid slots with ewar modules. Since the Sentinel can practically perma-run its MWD and 2-3 ewar modules its a very good platform. I would try to work with the bonused TDs tho (tracking scripts). 3) Many of you totally miss some NOS/Neuts mechanics...WHY PERMA-RUNNING NEUTS IS A MUST? NO ship can do that...still the Sentinel has 3x bonuses for Neut/NOSes so it does it way better than any ship in its class. The ship can use it's NOS to leech energy from its opponents and use it to MWD, Tank (if you fit for it) or run ewar modules...and since it's so well bonused for it, it can leech much more for each NOS used and kill way more for each Neut used. with a 2 Neut - 1 NOS setup you have many possibilities, just think outside the "perma-run everything box". Even fitting a Small cap booster won't do that, but still the efficiency bonus So before thinking that you HAVE to kill your opponent's cap and you HAVE to tackle, think it as the most offensive capable EAS frig: it can work it's ewar and drones further than as 40km away from a tackled ship, or move up close and help break it's tank by killing cap VERY effectively. Yes, its able to solo SOME ships, in SOME occasions, while other EAS surely WON'T. Thinking "solo" will make it less effective tho. Get a buddy in a ceptor and share the fun away from EFT. I am he, the bornless one
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.12.11 10:43:00 - [24] Originally by: Bruce Deorum The sentinel is fine - within the Curse limitations it provides a frig sized vessel to practice with and do considerable "damage"... 1) Skills need to go up...lvl 4 is minimum for most related skills for the ship to have usable range and effectiveness, but that's fair enough. 2) I believe this ship is there to SUPPORT/compliment, not to solo-pwn without the Interceptor class. Why bother tackling with a slower EAS when you can do it with a faster/more agile ceptor? And way pass the 24km barrier should you use the 2med slotted ones...EAS = Ewar = fill the mid slots with ewar modules. Since the Sentinel can practically perma-run its MWD and 2-3 ewar modules its a very good platform. I would try to work with the TDs tho (tracking scripts). 3) Many of you totally miss some NOS/Neuts mechanics...WHY PERMA-RUNNING NEUTS IS A MUST? NO ship can do that...still the Sentinel has 3x bonuses for Neut/NOSes so it does it way better than any ship in its class. The ship can use it's NOS to leech energy from its opponents and use it to MWD, Tank (if you fit for it) or run ewar modules...and since it's so well bonused for it, it can leech much more for each NOS used and kill way more for each Neut used. with a 2 Neut - 1 NOS setup you have many possibilities, just think outside the "perma-run everything box". Even fitting a Small cap booster won't do that, but still the efficiency bonus So before thinking that you HAVE to kill your opponent's cap and you HAVE to tackle, think it as the most offensive capable EAS frig: it can work it's ewar and drones further than as 40km away from a tackled ship, or move up close and help break it's tank by killing cap VERY effectively. Yes, its able to solo SOME ships, in SOME occasions, while other EAS surely WON'T. Thinking "solo" will make it less effective tho. Get a buddy in a ceptor and share the fun away from EFT. Why does every inbreed forum-gower say, "Dur hur, just fit 2 neuts and 1 nos"?? Neuts counteract NOS. By using a NEut, you are ensuring that your NOS doesn't work, because you are infact lowering your opponents cap much quicker than your own. How in the world are you supposed to run even 2 NEuts and 2-3 Ewar modules and a MWD? You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, none. You should really just stfu and go away and the next time a post pops up about being an idiot, you should chime in. An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.
Bruce Deorum Minmatar Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.11 11:50:00 - [25] Edited by: Bruce Deorum on 11/12/2007 11:52:25 Edited by: Bruce Deorum on 11/12/2007 11:49:53 Originally by: shinsushi Why does every inbread forum-goer say, "Dur hur, just fit 2 neuts and 1 nos"?? Neuts counteract NOS. By using a NEut, you are ensuring that your NOS doesn't work, because you are infact lowering your opponents cap much quicker than your own. How in the world are you supposed to run even 2 NEuts and 2-3 Ewar modules and a MWD? You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, none. You should really just stfu and go away and the next time a post pops up about being an idiot, you should chime in. Why does every short minded - arrogant and rude dude thinks that he can talk to anyone as if he was his "hommie"? Do you think your offensive style proves that you KNOW better than I am? Listen to the FACTS m8... * The Sentinel (and the Amarr Recons) have bonuses to NOS/Neut efficiency. That means that for both of these modules and with MODERATE skills (aka IV for both EAS and Energy emission skills) you "steal" way more energy than you "lose"/use. You may NOT be able to perma run 2 neuts and a MWD - so what? Still you can NOS your opponent as soon as you get in range to make up for the cap lost while you where approaching and then start neuting him - you lose almost 1/3 the cap he does for each circle, so if you "cap out" in 1 min or so, your opponent does the same in less than 20sec! What if the NOS works for not more than 1-2 circles? It costs NO cap and even those few circles can feed 1-2 more Neut circles = added up you opponent loses 4-5 times the cap you use! Few cruisers have 4-5 times your cap without boosters. * In battle, almost no ships have more than 50% cap available cause peak recharge is WAY lower. So even cap stable setups will drop and stabilize their cap % close to something you can kill. If they have cap boosters = more usage for your NOS which will automatically leach any "excessive" cap. So NOS does work, it just cannot leak-dry. * Moving against a bigger ship to kill it, means you can afford the time it needs to do it...instead of rushing things, take your time and use it against him. Off course missile boats and good passive tanks are ruled out, but thats completely logical. * That's playing the offence game, cause you could also run JUST the NOS to sustain your MWD + 3x ewar modules, or your SAR should you like to fit one. You can even fit 3x ECM Multispec and 1-2 amps in low slots, move to NOS range and run them for LONGER than the Kitsune...So yes, there are a few uses for the NOS IMHO... * A proper setup is not a perma-running-Iwin-button one...nor should be able to kill or evade / outrun ANYTHING it cannot kill...and I never said that it can perma run 2, not even 1 Neut along with ewar and MWD...take your time to actually READ what you quote... Should you find 2x Neuts more than your/a ship can handle, its stupid to put a 3rd one in...you either fit a small turret that's a bit difficult to utilize at this ranges and unless you cross train for an Arty it also costs in cap you DON'T have already, or you can fit a track-less bonused NOS that might or might not help. Nothing is fool-proof, and if it is, it's righteous to be nerfed. You can skip the NOS and save PG to fit a small battery T2 or smth, that said would be a productive argument...you just HAD TO flame... I am he, the bornless one
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:12:00 - [26] Originally by: Bruce Deorum redefining stupid I just had to flame because what you are saying is stupid, and you have no idea what you are talking about. You got plenty of time against a big ship???? a flight of light drones will rip you apart in 17 seconds, and since this ship NEEDS 3 CPRs in order to do its job (cap warefare) there is nothing you can do about it. You can't out-run the drones like a Hyena, you can't out range the drones like a Kitsune or Keres, no you sit there and die like the ***** ** you are for buying such a peice of **. Ok, a few points about your NOS/Neut fun.... True you might get one run of you Nos, but you never will again, and hence you sacrificed an entire high-slot for a one time gain of 6.4 capacitor, enough to run your neut 1.1 times. Since everyone and thier mama runs ship setups that rely on cap boosters, your cap levels will rarely be lower than your opponents, and your neuts will just chew on cap thats left over from your opponent anyway. Since TDs were recently nerfed your not gonna be super effective. So what exactly is the purpose of this ship? It has to fight within 20 km due to Nos/Neut range, you have to focus all your Ewar on one turret ship to be useful (because you do not effect drone/missile ships) and you die bsuper fast and without any way to defend yourself. Yeah, great ship though An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:46:00 - [27] wouldn't this ship be somewhat effective if the effect of EPM or a duration bonus replace the TD effectiveness its either 3 small neuts and all recharge @ 3k or 2 small/1 nos mwd+fleeting and all recharge which seems even worse definately not polycarbing this--maybe you could get away with an guardian feeding it cap from 40 km but that's alot of energy to make a frigate functional ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Bruce Deorum Minmatar Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:54:00 - [28] Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Bruce Deorum redefining stupid I just had to flame because what you are saying is stupid, and you have no idea what you are talking about. You got plenty of time against a big ship???? a flight of light drones will rip you apart in 17 seconds, and since this ship NEEDS 3 CPRs in order to do its job (cap warefare) there is nothing you can do about it. You can't out-run the drones like a Hyena, you can't out range the drones like a Kitsune or Keres, no you sit there and die like the ***** ** you are for buying such a peice of **. Ok, a few points about your NOS/Neut fun.... True you might get one run of you Nos, but you never will again, and hence you sacrificed an entire high-slot for a one time gain of 6.4 capacitor, enough to run your neut 1.1 times. Since everyone and thier mama runs ship setups that rely on cap boosters, your cap levels will rarely be lower than your opponents, and your neuts will just chew on cap thats left over from your opponent anyway. Since TDs were recently nerfed your not gonna be super effective. So what exactly is the purpose of this ship? It has to fight within 20 km due to Nos/Neut range, you have to focus all your Ewar on one turret ship to be useful (because you do not effect drone/missile ships) and you die bsuper fast and without any way to defend yourself. Yeah, great ship though You are trying to prove what for a third post in a row? - that this is not a fool-proof perma running cap killing ship that can take on anything? You are great in making "scenarios" but you leave out whichever detail suits you: the Hyena cannot scramble further than the Sentinel, so a single heavy Neut will ruin both ships' "day" and both will be a quick meal for T2 lights...so? You can warp out m8... It's an ewar frig - all other ewar frigs have just bonuses mid slot modules, you get a bonused hi slot module class, huge for frig class drone bay and 3 low slots to fit for tank or speed. The sentinel has far more usages than all other EAS frigs. Not the best EAS tackler, not the best stasis tackler, not the best jammer. The hyena also has to work within the same range limitations - whether it tackles or not, and the target painter bonus is not easily utilized unless you are part of a BS/BC gang...in this case you could also say that a webbed nano-target is going down fast enough for the target painter effect to be practically un-needed. The Kitsune is the most fragile of all, and the Keres cannot do much DPS either. The Sentinel can TD and evade dmg better than a Curse / Pilgrim does, does more DPS than any ship in its class, it's fast enough and can even go for full ewar with ECM drones. Far from a bad ship and surely less boring to fly than the other 3... I am he, the bornless one
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests Cult of War	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:57:00 - [29] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 11/12/2007 12:57:43 Oh come on people, everyone knows that nos/neut and TDs are epic fails. nos/neuts dont work as cap warfare. TDs suck. Hence the ship sucks. You might be able to use it, you might be able to kill stuff, you might be useful BUT all the other 3 EAS are better. Nothing really changes that. And we are back at the typical state of balance. Amarr gets the crap ship while the other races get a good one. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.11 12:58:00 - [30] bruce and lyria kinda hitted the nail here sentinel is not bad per se it's just that the other 3 are better. --- planetary interaction idea!

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