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Missy Saints
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Posted - 2007.12.10 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: Missy Saints on 10/12/2007 15:40:41
Ok so after I got a new puter I reverted back to XP from Vista. Now with the graphics release of EVE I have reverted back to Classic. Spent hrs and hrs tweeking, adjusting and whatnot and still the performance was less then classic.
I do run 2-4 instances at once and just could not get the same lvl of performance I had on classic. Has anyone else had the same issue.Maybe I need to upgrade my vid card again ? Can use another card in sli but eve wasnt very happy with sli in the past.
SYstem intel q6600 , 4 gig ram , eve ona 10k raptor , nvidia 8600 512m . May get a 8800gt512 ??
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Keden
Minmatar
Apache Corp
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.12.10 15:42:00 -
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dirty isk farmer ?
why the hell else would you want to play FOUR clients at once.
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Tolas
Aerthyrian Sovereignty
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Posted - 2007.12.10 15:47:00 -
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Edited by: Tolas on 10/12/2007 15:47:03
Have you tried with just One client going?
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Posted - 2007.12.10 15:47:00 -
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I do have 2-4 Ferraris in my garage.
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Triksterism
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.10 15:52:00 -
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Running vista 64bit ultimate here, no problems, way better than XP in my opinion (ZOMG NO ABREVIATION?!). Premium EvE? Loving excellent as well. Running multiple clients? No problem (though 4 may be really pushing it).
Super mega system? Not really.
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2GB DDR2 RAM @ 800mhz (spare 2GB stick laying around I have yet to slap in)
2x 160GB Hardrives @ 7200RPMs in RAID Stripping mode
2x NVidia 8700 GTs running in SLI mode -- Latest drivers from LaptopVideo2Go
Intel Core 2 Quad @ 2.66GHz / core
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Asestorian
Domination.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 15:56:00 -
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Well to be honest your graphics card isn't exactly great. But what are you expecting to happen running four clients with the new graphics? Of course that's going to be slower than running classic with four clients 
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sg3s
Caldari
O.W.N. Corp
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.10 15:57:00 -
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Is there an 'old' Windows Vista?....
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dimiz
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Posted - 2007.12.10 16:22:00 -
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same here. wouldn't install vista because it's crap,
installed premium, got 3 fps average, reverted to good
old classic. And I like the domi better in classic
anyway :)
ps. my computer is not top of the line but i was able
to play bioshock and other graphic-heavy games without
problems. Well, what can you expect, a game written in
python...
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Asestorian
Domination.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 16:31:00 -
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I don't think the graphics engine is written in python..
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Tanis.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 16:34:00 -
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Without getting into a lot of technical details there are three simple reasons why you will generally see lower framerates in the Premium client than in Classic.
1: The Premium client is using models and textures that have a lot more detail.
2: The Premium client also has features that the Classic client simply cannot handle, such as HDR, Bloom, Shadows, etc.
3: The Premium client's engine was designed for and is intended to be used with next-generation video cards, this means that to get the best out of it, you will need to use the latest video cards.
Though, with the new cache feature, if you set up your client correctly you should see less client-side lag when in large fleet battles.
Also, it is worth it to note that in the tests I've run I've seen 200 FPS on Nvidia 8800 and ATI x1950 cards while flying around in space.
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Testing Lead
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Jo Vien
G-Tek
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.12.10 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jo Vien on 10/12/2007 16:48:42
Just to add something about the new cache. There is a setting in the graphics tab of the eve client that lets you set the amount of extra memory the client uses.
I believe I am correct in saying that for every increment selected the client will use that much more memory than the classic client does, (with several clients running this could all add up) You could try selecting it on the lowest setting ( NONE I think ) Then the client will use the same amount of memory as the original client. This may help you revert to your original performance, although obviously some things will take longer to load because they haven't been cached.
Looking at your 4 gig ram spec though I am not sure this is your problem, have you checked to see how much of your memory is being used?
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:01:00 -
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Hi, I have an average home desktop computer and I'd like to make a complaint:
My complaint is that when I try to run FOUR instances of a game that's just been updated to run with the newest generation of graphics cards on the market, my computer won't handle it and slows down massively.
I cannot understand this. With the old game, which was designed around a 7 year old graphics engine designed to work on something more like a 16mb video card, I could happily run four versions on my 512mb SM3.0 video card with no issues.
Read the above slowly, and it will all make sense. With pretty graphics, comes a price. Reduced performance when you put too much load on your machine by running more than one instance of the game.
Seriously, what do you expect from a game that in the past has been so resource intensive?
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Estephania
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:04:00 -
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If you so desperate to get ahead in Eve so that you are ready to pay for 4 accounts and play them all at once, you might consider buying additional PC so that your experience of getting closer to the desired level of uberness and global ownage would be more pleasant and smooth.
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Imhothar Xarodit
Minmatar
Wolverine Solutions
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tanis.
Also, it is worth it to note that in the tests I've run I've seen 200 FPS on Nvidia 8800 and ATI x1950 cards while flying around in space.
Huh??
How??
I run a 8800GTS, AMD X2 4200+, and 2 GB and never, absolutely never reach more than 40 fps (with high shadows) and extreme cache.
What am I doing wrong?
There are also these Access Violation Exceptions I get sometimes when quitting EVE, but can't find any crashdump.
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Missy Saints
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Keden
dirty isk farmer ?
why the hell else would you want to play FOUR clients at once.
LOL UMM NO
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Missy Saints
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: Missy Saints on 10/12/2007 17:20:47
Originally by: Estephania
If you so desperate to get ahead in Eve so that you are ready to pay for 4 accounts and play them all at once, you might consider buying additional PC so that your experience of getting closer to the desired level of uberness and global ownage would be more pleasant and smooth.
Its more then 4 accts and they are atleast 04 characters or older and I never stated I didnt have more then 1 puter .. 
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Estephania
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Missy Saints
Originally by: Estephania
If you so desperate to get ahead in Eve so that you are ready to pay for 4 accounts and play them all at once, you might consider buying additional PC so that your experience of getting closer to the desired level of uberness and global ownage would be more pleasant and smooth.
Its more then 4 accts and they are atleast 04 characters or older and I never staded I didnt have more then 1 puter ..
GL for you then
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Missy Saints
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tanis.
Without getting into a lot of technical details there are three simple reasons why you will generally see lower framerates in the Premium client than in Classic.
1: The Premium client is using models and textures that have a lot more detail.
2: The Premium client also has features that the Classic client simply cannot handle, such as HDR, Bloom, Shadows, etc.
3: The Premium client's engine was designed for and is intended to be used with next-generation video cards, this means that to get the best out of it, you will need to use the latest video cards.
Though, with the new cache feature, if you set up your client correctly you should see less client-side lag when in large fleet battles.
Also, it is worth it to note that in the tests I've run I've seen 200 FPS on Nvidia 8800 and ATI x1950 cards while flying around in space.
Question, A time ago Eve didnt like sli conmfigs. is it better now?
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:23:00 -
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Er...why don't you try running four instances of any game released in the past twelve months and see what happens.
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Missy Saints
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Er...why don't you try running four instances of any game released in the past twelve months and see what happens.
Cause I play EVE is there anything else??!!
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 10/12/2007 17:29:22
Originally by: Imhothar Xarodit
I run a 8800GTS, AMD X2 4200+, and 2 GB and never, absolutely never reach more than 40 fps (with high shadows) and extreme cache.
What am I doing wrong?
...I think you answered your question there.
shadows need insane ammount of resourses tbh.
heck I've heard that the extreme value needed a 4096*4096 texture resolution window or something like that.
no end-user gfx card available in the market can run such settings at today's standart resolutions (1280*1024 or 1600*1200). it simply takes waaaay too much data on the texture memory, and the GPU's can't process them in a timely fashion.
edit: and to the op, the problem is that your'e running those 4 instances.
try to just run one and see what it happens.
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Estephania
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Er...why don't you try running four instances of any game released in the past twelve months and see what happens.
Try running 4 instances of Bioshock on the standard home PC and uncle Bill will personally come to your place to beat you up with a wooden stick for abusing his OS so horribly.
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Arana Tellen
Gallente
The Blackguard Wolves
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Arana Tellen on 10/12/2007 17:33:24
Originally by: Imhothar Xarodit
Originally by: Tanis.
Also, it is worth it to note that in the tests I've run I've seen 200 FPS on Nvidia 8800 and ATI x1950 cards while flying around in space.
Huh??
How??
I run a 8800GTS, AMD X2 4200+, and 2 GB and never, absolutely never reach more than 40 fps (with high shadows) and extreme cache.
What am I doing wrong?
There are also these Access Violation Exceptions I get sometimes when quitting EVE, but can't find any crashdump.
Firstly thats a weak CPU to pair with the GFX, secondly shadows should be set to normal.
EDIT: Also you (like me) have the weakest 8800, you might want to (at your own risk) OC it a little (I run mine at 600/900).
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Phoenix Allfire
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:57:00 -
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4 clients is great, as I will be going from 2 clients to 4 clients next month. Whats the reason? 3 hulks, 1 BS in empire space ;) Could have a fighter, a miner, a hauler, and inventer/marketer.
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Moon Kitten
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tanis.
Though, with the new cache feature, if you set up your client correctly you should see less client-side lag when in large fleet battles.
Also, it is worth it to note that in the tests I've run I've seen 200 FPS on Nvidia 8800 and ATI x1950 cards while flying around in space.
With how many ships/drones/wrecks on grid?
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Arana Tellen
Gallente
The Blackguard Wolves
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Moon Kitten
Originally by: Tanis.
Though, with the new cache feature, if you set up your client correctly you should see less client-side lag when in large fleet battles.
Also, it is worth it to note that in the tests I've run I've seen 200 FPS on Nvidia 8800 and ATI x1950 cards while flying around in space.
With how many ships/drones/wrecks on grid?
Outside station (test server when busy) with no AA/AF, shadows on normal and no HDR I was getting 170FPS.
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Kastar
Memphis Technologies
Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Asestorian
Well to be honest your graphics card isn't exactly great. But what are you expecting to happen running four clients with the new graphics? Of course that's going to be slower than running classic with four clients
This man is right. The 8600 behaves worse than the 7900.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:26:00 -
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I have an Intel Core 2 Duo on an Asus P5N32-E motherboard, 4GB RAM, 8800 GT and Vista 64-bit Ultimate here - Premium runs smooth as silk in 1920x1200 with all the trimmings, over 150 fps in most areas.
Now, running a second client... it works but they're both stuttery and slow. When I have some patience I'm going to turn down my settings to see what's necessary to run 2 clients with Premium. Or maybe I'll just get more RAM. Or a second GT w/SLI... yummy.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Tanis.
Though, with the new cache feature, if you set up your client correctly you should see less client-side lag when in large fleet battles.
Also, it is worth it to note that in the tests I've run I've seen 200 FPS on Nvidia 8800 and ATI x1950 cards while flying around in space.
clientside lag was never the problem lets be honest.
tests? how many tests did u have? i've talked to several peeps with top of the line systems and gpu's and all of them report their system starts to cough and choke if they go full graphical goodness.
tbh i have experienced little of the so called 'performance increase' even after going back to classical graphics, my fps hits 150 easily but the serverlag is still horrendous in some systems.
And no, i do not live in jita, and even if i did, if ccp doesn't want to/can't handle that much players in a single system they should do something about it games wise (like only allowing so many people dockingrights or even only allowing so many people into a system.
CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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EliteSlave
Minmatar
Tau Ceti Global Production
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:59:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=654094
look at the eye candy...
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