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Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:01:00 - [1] Edited by: Semkhet on 10/12/2007 17:03:03 lows: 2x domi OD's, nanofiber T2 mids: 2x DB or TS webs, Gistii-A MWD, small battery T2 highs: not important rigs: 2x polycarbs I locking time close to a ceptor, permaruns MWD and webs, 28 Km web range, 13 Km/sec with LG snakes and skirmish warfare 5 in gang. The perfect nanogang companion...
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:02:00 - [2] OMG OVERPOWERED!!! NARFFFF!!!! Looks like a sweet setup! Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR!
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:04:00 - [3] Originally by: arbalesttom OMG OVERPOWERED!!! NARFFFF!!!! Looks like a sweet setup! damn expensive too. --- planetary interaction idea!
Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:06:00 - [4] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: arbalesttom OMG OVERPOWERED!!! NARFFFF!!!! Looks like a sweet setup! damn expensive too. Taking into account that it will be as difficult to take down as every pimped ceptor, long term survival rate = cheaper than loosing a T2 frig each week
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:11:00 - [5] might as well go for officer cloak and t2 polys with it if you're going to run the snakes also does the gang mod work as it before where it would suddenly recalculate your max speed--if so you can get popped by npcs ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:22:00 - [6] Originally by: Semkhet Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: arbalesttom OMG OVERPOWERED!!! NARFFFF!!!! Looks like a sweet setup! damn expensive too. Taking into account that it will be as difficult to take down as every pimped ceptor, long term survival rate = cheaper than loosing a T2 frig each week true, however those kinds of setups are usually waaaay out of reach for many people. heck, I have been on EVE for 4 years and it's out of reach for me --- planetary interaction idea!
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:23:00 - [7] A properly fitted Huginn or Rapier can still stop you in your tracks... but sure, go ahead and spend the bucks on all that for a Hyena, it'll be my nice loot. :-)
Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:25:00 - [8] Originally by: Erotic Irony might as well go for officer cloak and t2 polys with it if you're going to run the snakes also does the gang mod work as it before where it would suddenly recalculate your max speed--if so you can get popped by npcs IMHO You have to draw a line between throwing isk where it matters or throwing isk out of the window. Take the webs for example. Using 2 Domi webs would only increase your web range by 2 Km with EAS5. Not worth given that even if you can web at 30 Km, wou will effectively have to web under that mark and will fall anyhow under hvy neut range. So it's not worth using something better than TS or DB webs. Same with the polycarbs. It's not work spending 800 mil just on polycarbs if you can already reach 11.8 Km/sec solo and 13 Km/sec in gang. And actually, this last speed is ONLY in gang (with skirmish warfare 5). No claymore with gang mods involved whatsoever. For a cloak, an improved II is more than enough, you still retain an excellent velocity cloaked (280 m/sec) and very decent locking time. Even a pilot without snakes will permaMWD well over 8 Km/sec provided all navigation and cap related skills are maxed and he plugs all speed hardares except the Shaqil.
Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:30:00 - [9] Edited by: Semkhet on 10/12/2007 17:33:50 Originally by: Pithecanthropus A properly fitted Huginn or Rapier can still stop you in your tracks... but sure, go ahead and spend the bucks on all that for a Hyena, it'll be my nice loot. :-) Sure bud, it's people like you who say that on forums, yet seldom got a crow with a similar setup/pod ingame. Never had any rapier/huginn catching my crow in the two years I've been using it, that's why I ended fitting 3 CN launchers to get 10 DPS more But it's true that I'm excellent at playing "bip bip wroooom hasta la vista" as soon I see a huginn/rapier showing its nose Anyhow, I stated the rapier/huginn counters since the beginning in the first post. But they will rather act as a "repellant" since no Hyena in its sane mind will either land on a spot if these ships are detected, nor will it stay on the scene as soon one of those gets in vicinity.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:37:00 - [10] Originally by: Semkhet Anyhow, I stated the rapier/huginn counters since the beginning in the first post. But they will rather act as a "repellant" since no Hyena in its sane mind will either land on a spot if these ships are detected, nor will it stay on the scene as soon one of those gets in vicinity. this is what I like more in many ships: you just need to be there to make sure that certain ships won't come --- planetary interaction idea!
Shiken Kan	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:38:00 - [11] is the battery better than a recharger? Just curious because then you could fit useless guns more easily :p
Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:41:00 - [12] Originally by: Shiken Kan is the battery better than a recharger? Just curious because then you could fit useless guns more easily :p The battery is better in many frig setups with MWD's since it also modifies indirectly your recharge rate in the sense that if you can improve the size of you capacitor when the recharge TIME stays the same, you actually also get a better recharge RATE.
Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:43:00 - [13] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Semkhet Anyhow, I stated the rapier/huginn counters since the beginning in the first post. But they will rather act as a "repellant" since no Hyena in its sane mind will either land on a spot if these ships are detected, nor will it stay on the scene as soon one of those gets in vicinity. this is what I like more in many ships: you just need to be there to make sure that certain ships won't come True, at least for the first wave
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:44:00 - [14] Originally by: Semkhet Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Semkhet Anyhow, I stated the rapier/huginn counters since the beginning in the first post. But they will rather act as a "repellant" since no Hyena in its sane mind will either land on a spot if these ships are detected, nor will it stay on the scene as soon one of those gets in vicinity. this is what I like more in many ships: you just need to be there to make sure that certain ships won't come True, at least for the first wave sometimes it's enough. --- planetary interaction idea!
Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:47:00 - [15] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Semkhet Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Semkhet Anyhow, I stated the rapier/huginn counters since the beginning in the first post. But they will rather act as a "repellant" since no Hyena in its sane mind will either land on a spot if these ships are detected, nor will it stay on the scene as soon one of those gets in vicinity. this is what I like more in many ships: you just need to be there to make sure that certain ships won't come True, at least for the first wave sometimes it's enough. QFT
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.12.10 17:57:00 - [16] Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 10/12/2007 17:08:45 lows: 2x domi OD's, nanofiber T2 mids: 2x DB or TS webs, Gistii-A MWD, small battery T2 highs: not important rigs: 2x polycarbs I locking time close to a ceptor, permaruns MWD and webs, 28 Km web range, 13 Km/sec with LG snakes and skirmish warfare 5 in gang. The perfect nanogang companion... P.S: Counters = ECM, hvy neuts and rapiers/huginns. You do realize the hyena has about as much hp as a noobship. It will die in the blink of an eye and there goes your faction gear which won't save you from the inevitible. -------------------------- Piwate Bunny Wuv Sig removed, only one graphic per sig please. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:02:00 - [17] Originally by: Zaethiel Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 10/12/2007 17:08:45 lows: 2x domi OD's, nanofiber T2 mids: 2x DB or TS webs, Gistii-A MWD, small battery T2 highs: not important rigs: 2x polycarbs I locking time close to a ceptor, permaruns MWD and webs, 28 Km web range, 13 Km/sec with LG snakes and skirmish warfare 5 in gang. The perfect nanogang companion... P.S: Counters = ECM, hvy neuts and rapiers/huginns. You do realize the hyena has about as much hp as a noobship. It will die in the blink of an eye and there goes your faction gear which won't save you from the inevitible. if he flies the ship like a pimp crow, then that ship will live for a while. --- planetary interaction idea!
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:11:00 - [18] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Zaethiel Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 10/12/2007 17:08:45 lows: 2x domi OD's, nanofiber T2 mids: 2x DB or TS webs, Gistii-A MWD, small battery T2 highs: not important rigs: 2x polycarbs I locking time close to a ceptor, permaruns MWD and webs, 28 Km web range, 13 Km/sec with LG snakes and skirmish warfare 5 in gang. The perfect nanogang companion... P.S: Counters = ECM, hvy neuts and rapiers/huginns. You do realize the hyena has about as much hp as a noobship. It will die in the blink of an eye and there goes your faction gear which won't save you from the inevitible. if he flies the ship like a pimp crow, then that ship will live for a while. It would be easy to kill it with destroyers, any long range ceptor, interdictors, and all sorts of other random situation. I can't wait to find a faction hyena in my crusader. Ill rip it apart. -------------------------- Piwate Bunny Wuv Sig removed, only one graphic per sig please. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:25:00 - [19] Originally by: Semkhet Sure bud, it's people like you who say that on forums, yet seldom got a crow with a similar setup/pod ingame. Never had any rapier/huginn catching my crow in the two years I've been using it, that's why I ended fitting 3 CN launchers to get 10 DPS more But it's true that I'm excellent at playing "bip bip wroooom hasta la vista" as soon I see a huginn/rapier showing its nose Anyhow, I stated the rapier/huginn counters since the beginning in the first post. But they will rather act as a "repellant" since no Hyena in its sane mind will either land on a spot if these ships are detected, nor will it stay on the scene as soon one of those gets in vicinity. If you consider running away a viable option to your engagement, then sure the rapier/huginn already won. So yea, go ahead a fit an uber nano hyena or crow whatever, but it'll always be useless against your fear of close encounters. FYI... not that I hate nanos... but they are realistically just a fancy smancy way of stacking warp core stabilizers. But, for some reason, people think they are uber when flying them. Cheerio.
Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:38:00 - [20] Originally by: Pithecanthropus Originally by: Semkhet Sure bud, it's people like you who say that on forums, yet seldom got a crow with a similar setup/pod ingame. Never had any rapier/huginn catching my crow in the two years I've been using it, that's why I ended fitting 3 CN launchers to get 10 DPS more But it's true that I'm excellent at playing "bip bip wroooom hasta la vista" as soon I see a huginn/rapier showing its nose Anyhow, I stated the rapier/huginn counters since the beginning in the first post. But they will rather act as a "repellant" since no Hyena in its sane mind will either land on a spot if these ships are detected, nor will it stay on the scene as soon one of those gets in vicinity. If you consider running away a viable option to your engagement, then sure the rapier/huginn already won. So yea, go ahead a fit an uber nano hyena or crow whatever, but it'll always be useless against your fear of close encounters. FYI... not that I hate nanos... but they are realistically just a fancy smancy way of stacking warp core stabilizers. But, for some reason, people think they are uber when flying them. Cheerio. I don't know any ceptor pilot who would go against a huginn/rapier without being backed by enough firepower in his own gang to pop that recon in 5 seconds. So yeah, I'll leave that kind of exercise to those lacking a brain. Besides, the first rule to win is to know when NOT to fight.
Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:42:00 - [21] Originally by: Pithecanthropus Originally by: Semkhet Sure bud, it's people like you who say that on forums, yet seldom got a crow with a similar setup/pod ingame. Never had any rapier/huginn catching my crow in the two years I've been using it, that's why I ended fitting 3 CN launchers to get 10 DPS more But it's true that I'm excellent at playing "bip bip wroooom hasta la vista" as soon I see a huginn/rapier showing its nose Anyhow, I stated the rapier/huginn counters since the beginning in the first post. But they will rather act as a "repellant" since no Hyena in its sane mind will either land on a spot if these ships are detected, nor will it stay on the scene as soon one of those gets in vicinity. If you consider running away a viable option to your engagement, then sure the rapier/huginn already won. So yea, go ahead a fit an uber nano hyena or crow whatever, but it'll always be useless against your fear of close encounters. FYI... not that I hate nanos... but they are realistically just a fancy smancy way of stacking warp core stabilizers. But, for some reason, people think they are uber when flying them. Cheerio. I consider running away a viable option when the fighting means BEFOREHAND the absolute certainty of loosing. But given the current amount of people flying huginns & rapiers, running away due to webs are isolated events.
Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:45:00 - [22] Edited by: Semkhet on 10/12/2007 18:46:09 Originally by: Zaethiel Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Zaethiel Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 10/12/2007 17:08:45 lows: 2x domi OD's, nanofiber T2 mids: 2x DB or TS webs, Gistii-A MWD, small battery T2 highs: not important rigs: 2x polycarbs I locking time close to a ceptor, permaruns MWD and webs, 28 Km web range, 13 Km/sec with LG snakes and skirmish warfare 5 in gang. The perfect nanogang companion... P.S: Counters = ECM, hvy neuts and rapiers/huginns. You do realize the hyena has about as much hp as a noobship. It will die in the blink of an eye and there goes your faction gear which won't save you from the inevitible. if he flies the ship like a pimp crow, then that ship will live for a while. It would be easy to kill it with destroyers, any long range ceptor, interdictors, and all sorts of other random situation. I can't wait to find a faction hyena in my crusader. Ill rip it apart. You won't rip zilch. I flew crusaders before switching to crows. Over 8 Km/sec you won't even decently hit stationary targets, much less a crow doing over 14 Km/sec outside your targeting range to start with. And the hyena can be used like a crow.
kessah Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Pithecanthropus A properly fitted Huginn or Rapier can still stop you in your tracks... but sure, go ahead and spend the bucks on all that for a Hyena, it'll be my nice loot. :-) at 13km a second ul have exactly 3 seconds to lock him down before he relises your rapiers there. Last time i checked that aint possible & if it were your rapier is going to die becus he said it was with a gang. ------ [Video] Forever Pirate 4
Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:00:00 - [24] Originally by: kessah Originally by: Pithecanthropus A properly fitted Huginn or Rapier can still stop you in your tracks... but sure, go ahead and spend the bucks on all that for a Hyena, it'll be my nice loot. :-) at 13km a second ul have exactly 3 seconds to lock him down before he relises your rapiers there. Last time i checked that aint possible & if it were your rapier is going to die becus he said it was with a gang. And on top, I'll realize immediately he's there since he can't lock me without uncloaking, and since I never fight on a fast paper ship without a scanner window open, it will take 1 second between my overview showing an additional hostile ship and me getting a new scanner result to see the class of the newcomer which has landed or uncloaked. Hell there's a reason why I don't loose ceptors to huginns/rapiers and it's certainly not due to flaws in these recons...
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Hooligans Of War Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.10 19:07:00 - [25] Originally by: Semkhet locking time close to a ceptor, permaruns MWD and webs, 28 Km web range, 13 Km/sec with LG snakes and skirmish warfare 5 in gang. With a fully fitted Claymore your webrange will be over 38km.
Ms Belle	Posted - 2007.12.10 21:09:00 - [26] I was thinking a Curse with Neuts will ruin your day. 2x neuts and cry when his Warrior II's say hello.
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.12.10 21:38:00 - [27] Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 10/12/2007 17:08:45 lows: 2x domi OD's, nanofiber T2 mids: 2x DB or TS webs, Gistii-A MWD, small battery T2 highs: not important rigs: 2x polycarbs I locking time close to a ceptor, permaruns MWD and webs, 28 Km web range, 13 Km/sec with LG snakes and skirmish warfare 5 in gang. The perfect nanogang companion... P.S: Counters = ECM, hvy neuts and rapiers/huginns. that nanofiber stacking nerfs with those polycarbs...fit something better there. hyena will be fun, but it dies to a cold breeze, and will have trouble killing pretty much anything solo. Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.12.10 21:49:00 - [28] Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 10/12/2007 17:08:45 lows: 2x domi OD's Reading off, flame mode ON! Lock and load ze flamethrowers, boys! Domi ODs? On a Hyena? Oh, lol. Buy yourself a huggin for that price, lad. Originally by: Semkhet , nanofiber T2 mids: 2x DB or TS webs, Gistii-A MWD, Well, you're definitely trying to be a one-man fleet. Price-wise, that is. Did you also try a claymore in gang, all skills to level V, overload, HG snake set, a strong booster, 5% rogue implants, and, of course, overload on the end? Viva la EFT! Originally by: Semkhet small battery T2 highs: not important rigs: 2x polycarbs I locking time close to a ceptor, permaruns MWD and webs, 28 Km web range, 13 Km/sec with LG snakes and skirmish warfare 5 in gang. The perfect nanogang companion... Perfect proof that mods need to clicky posts based on EFT whorage, but I'm dissapointed in you for not using HG snakes and T2 polycarbs. You fail. Rifters!
Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.12.10 22:20:00 - [29] Edited by: Semkhet on 10/12/2007 22:24:21 Originally by: Cpt Branko Domi ODs? On a Hyena? Oh, lol. Buy yourself a huggin for that price, lad. You see, it's the distinctive privilege of those who have isk to throw it where it pleases them. At the end it's just a question of fun, be it with a frig or a MS. But you are welcome to stagnate within the boundaries your kiosk accountant mindset Originally by: Cpt Branko Well, you're definitely trying to be a one-man fleet. Price-wise, that is. Did you also try a claymore in gang, all skills to level V, overload, HG snake set, a strong booster, 5% rogue implants, and, of course, overload on the end? Viva la EFT! For testing the nano aspect I don't need EAS at lvl5. The final web range can be calculated mentally. I did not add the bunch of staff you mention, not because I wouldn't like to, but simply because it hasn't occurred to you that this isn't a EFT fit. When a setup is theoretical, I always specify it Originally by: Cpt Branko Perfect proof that mods need to clicky posts based on EFT whorage, but I'm dissapointed in you for not using HG snakes and T2 polycarbs. You fail. See my answer above. Anyhow, an assessment obstructed by your own personal perception about isk. FYI, my cheapest ships cost around 300 mil. This one will be cheaper than my beloved crow, because if there's one thing you have no clue, is from how long I did create my little stockpile of Gistii MWD's and Domi OD's. Hell, I was used to put Gistii's even on Flycatchers. Now with the dictor speed nerf does not make so much sense anymore. You see, you are exactly like those peeps who can't understand why I buy stuff on Ebay USA and pay 150 $ for the delivery of a $100 item, forgetting that the same stuff where I live costs $500 It doesn't matter what is the default value of a ship before mods in relation with the value of the mods you add if the resulting ship enjoys abilities which render its demise highly improbable, provided you know how, where and when to use it. And if I loose it, then what ? I'm a bit old to take all this so seriously as you seem to
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.12.10 23:14:00 - [30] Edited by: Acoco Osiris on 10/12/2007 23:14:44 IMO, way too expensive. A T2 fit would be more realistic and serve pretty much the same role. Besides, it would be easy to lose because of a simple mistake or something unforseen, seeing as it has almost 0 buffer.

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