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Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:22:00 - [1] So my invention character succeeded at inventing a Broadsword. Now he can't build it because it takes Cruiser Construction V - 22 days to train that! WTF! That's just wrong! -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:31:00 - [2] Old news - this is the second thread someone's posted with this exact complaint, and I'm going to give you the same reply: the skill requirements were made public via the test server more than a month ago. People have had plenty of time to train the relevant skills. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
MasterTao Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:32:00 - [3] it's just like saying I bought a ship I can't fly. whos at fault? -.-
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:38:00 - [4] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 11/12/2007 00:43:22 Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro the skill requirements were made public via the test server more than a month ago. That doesn't mean I could fit 22 extra days into November. And it still makes no sense at all. I created the blueprint, but can't build the ship? In what world does this make sense? Bizarro World. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:40:00 - [5] Originally by: MasterTao it's just like saying I bought a ship I can't fly. No it isn't. It's like saying I invented a tomato slicer but don't have the tomato slicing skill so no sliced tomatoes for me. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Tachypnea Trinion Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:41:00 - [6] I could design a tattoo, but I can't tattoo it onto someone.
Falka Lakadaka Gallente BakaLakadaka Street	Posted - 2007.12.11 02:44:00 - [7] I design computer networks, but I have other people build them for me. Just sell the BPC and invent another one. If you still want to make a ship, learn the skill. Cheers Falka ________________________________________ Check out the Guides Sticky for answers to many questions
Therese Law Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.11 04:32:00 - [8] lol do some research before you start a project be prepeard :D -- Ofc i am an alt of a shy alliance leader.
Durente Galaica Amarr Fortunate Few	Posted - 2007.12.11 04:54:00 - [9] I invented a BP for a ship. Immediately after making a few ships with it it I forgot everything about how to make that ship. Now I have to reinvent everything all over again. The odd thing is I seem to remember doing all this a few dozen times already. But there is no BP in my hanger so I must be wrong.
Draahk Chimera Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.11 05:57:00 - [10] Uhm, why do I need cruiser construction at all? Shouldnt I be able to build falcons and rooks with industry 1? And why this specialized skills for each ship? Shouldnt I be able to fly a Hel with spaceship command 1? Its a spaceship aint it?
SeismicForce Clear Horizon Industries	Posted - 2007.12.11 07:13:00 - [11] Originally by: Draahk Chimera Uhm, why do I need cruiser construction at all? Shouldnt I be able to build falcons and rooks with industry 1? And why this specialized skills for each ship? Shouldnt I be able to fly a Hel with spaceship command 1? Its a spaceship aint it? At first I wanted to : Then I re-read your post and now it's : And to the OP, you had more than enough time to train the skills needed to build the ship, the requirements were known at least a month before the patch. T2 production is a specialised sector if industry, lots of time and money involved. Originally by: Allisie In a recent interview, a dev mentioned that ships and skills cause lag and will be removed in EVE 2.
Karanth Gallente Eve's Brothers of Destiny Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.12.11 09:25:00 - [12] Originally by: Draahk Chimera Uhm, why do I need cruiser construction at all? Shouldnt I be able to build falcons and rooks with industry 1? And why this specialized skills for each ship? Shouldnt I be able to fly a Hel with spaceship command 1? Its a spaceship aint it? This. All that's left... There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. Well, there's not many of us left! -Rauth
Missy Saints	Posted - 2007.12.11 17:31:00 - [13] Edited by: Missy Saints on 11/12/2007 17:31:46 Originally by: Guillame Herschel Originally by: MasterTao it's just like saying I bought a ship I can't fly. No it isn't. It's like saying I invented a tomato slicer but don't have the tomato slicing skill so no sliced tomatoes for me. Yes it is . Its 2 different skill trees with some common branches. You can invent without being a builder and build without being an inventor...P.S. the skill has been out for a long time so no sympathy.
Telonia Reis	Posted - 2007.12.11 17:53:00 - [14] There are many drafsmen/architects out there that design multi-thousand square foot buildings, but couldn't manufacture the chair I am sitting in right now. Pencil does not = hammer and nails.
Liam Money Minmatar	Posted - 2007.12.11 20:11:00 - [15] I have to agree with the OP. This question was posed when the test servers came out with these things and Chronitis responded by saying that none of the new ships would require a level V skill to build. I will post the quote when I find it, digging now ..........
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.12.11 20:51:00 - [16] Originally by: Liam Money I have to agree with the OP. This question was posed when the test servers came out with these things and Chronitis responded by saying that none of the new ships would require a level V skill to build. I will post the quote when I find it, digging now .......... And if he didn't die by digging he'll digg forever..
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.12.11 22:39:00 - [17] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 11/12/2007 22:43:20 Now I find my inventor can build a frakking Panther or Vargur - a T2 Battleship - quicker than he can learn to build a T2 cruiser, the Broadsword. It only takes a few days for BS Construction IV, but 22 days for Cruiser Const V. I ain't asking for sympathy, I am asking IN WHAT WORLD DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? Is it too much to ask for an AMEN BROTHER? That's all I wanted, I didn't ask for your opinion about whether I spent enough time on Sisi before the damn thing was rolled out. No one even knew they'd roll it out that quick anyway, until the week before, and even after they did, you all wish they'd held it back some more until it all worked right. So screw you guys. There was no way to cram in an extra 22 days of training before it went live. I was hoping to sell into the rush while they're the new "IT" boy, but I guess I'll just hang onto the BPC since it'll take me - this character - about 22 days to get the skills down to fly a Broadsword anyway. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Masheine	Posted - 2007.12.11 22:57:00 - [18] Originally by: Guillame Herschel There was no way to cram in an extra 22 days of training before it went live. And yet people are manufacturing and selling them. So, clearly, there was plenty of time from when the skill reqs were discovered until trinity went live for people to be able to skill up. As for it making sense, it's a new class of T2 cruiser, more complicated than other T2 cruisers, and therefore more complicated to build. Can we point to an existing parallel? No. But if they want to set precendent, they gotta start somewhere. But, yes, it does suck to be all psyched up for something, and then find out you're way, way far away from it. I'm building Black Ops ships, and to train Battleship Construction from III to IV takes VI, er, I mean six freaking days. It sucks. I wish the skill had been pre-seeded, or the req had been level I, but, whatever. I'll wait out the days, and move back on to finishin Cruiser Construction V (two days left...). If either of them were twenty two days remaining, I'd be kicking myself for missing out on the initial curve, too. (As it is, I'm ****ed at missing the initial HIC prices for wanting to focus on BOps...)
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.12.11 23:28:00 - [19] Originally by: Masheine As for it making sense, it's a new class of T2 cruiser, more complicated than other T2 cruisers, and therefore more complicated to build. Can we point to an existing parallel? Yes we can. Interdictors require Frigate Construction V to build. But it's a Destroyer hull, and the Frigate hulls take Frig Const III or IV to build. Command Ships require Cruiser Construction V, but they're Battlecruiser hulls. The HACs and Recons only need Cruiser Construction IV. Quote: No. But if they want to set precendent, they gotta start somewhere. The HIC build skills break precedent. And thank you for the "AMEN BROTHER." -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.12.12 01:16:00 - [20] Edited by: Tres Farmer on 12/12/2007 01:16:51 Originally by: Guillame Herschel Originally by: Masheine As for it making sense, it's a new class of T2 cruiser, more complicated than other T2 cruisers, and therefore more complicated to build. Can we point to an existing parallel? Yes we can. Interdictors require Frigate Construction V to build. But it's a Destroyer hull, and the Frigate hulls take Frig Const III or IV to build. Command Ships require Cruiser Construction V, but they're Battlecruiser hulls. The HACs and Recons only need Cruiser Construction IV. Quote: No. But if they want to set precendent, they gotta start somewhere. The HIC build skills break precedent. And thank you for the "AMEN BROTHER." baaaaaaaad research mate Try again.. PS: lookup the building prereqs for ASSAULT FRIGATES and take it like a man
Nariana Verex Amarr Foundation of Extropian Independents	Posted - 2007.12.12 01:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Guillame Herschel Now he can't build it because it takes Cruiser Construction V - 22 days to train that! WTF! That's just wrong! All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display in your local planning department on Singularity for fifty of your Earth days, so you've had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it's far too late to start making a fuss about it now. Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Do the right thing. Don't leave shuttles in space.
Falka Lakadaka Gallente BakaLakadaka Street	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:30:00 - [22] Originally by: Nariana Verex All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display in your local planning department on Singularity for fifty of your Earth days, so you've had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it's far too late to start making a fuss about it now. Sorry, I couldn't help myself. They were in a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying "Beware of the Leopard!" Cheers Falka ________________________________________ Check out the Guides Sticky for answers to many questions
Drethon Gallente Lutin Group Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.12.12 13:06:00 - [23] Originally by: Guillame Herschel Originally by: MasterTao it's just like saying I bought a ship I can't fly. No it isn't. It's like saying I invented a tomato slicer but don't have the tomato slicing skill so no sliced tomatoes for me. I'm a requirements developer, we have code developers to take the requirements that outline the system and actually implement it. You tell people what parts to put together, they know how to make the parts and put them together the way you want. "I may not believe in what you believe in but I will fight to the death to protect your right to believe."
Jacque Custeau Knights of the Minmatar Republic	Posted - 2007.12.12 13:28:00 - [24] Saying that this was on the test server a month ago does not make it fair or right. When the Black Ops and Marauder ships were released on SiSi they required Mechanical Engineering 5 and Racial Starship Engineering 5 to build. But then people whined and they changed the skill requirement to level 4 on both. I am training up cruiser construction 5, but I am baffled that building this ship requires the same skills as a Command ship and more than a HAC. -------------------
swoj The New Order. United Connection's	Posted - 2007.12.12 14:13:00 - [25] Originally by: Liam Money I have to agree with the OP. This question was posed when the test servers came out with these things and Chronitis responded by saying that none of the new ships would require a level V skill to build. I will post the quote when I find it, digging now .......... Wasn't he referring to the Science skills required for building (ie. racial Spaceship Engineering and Mechanical Engineering) rather than the Construction skills? I thought that came up when people complained about needing to have the two science skills at 5 to build the new BS
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.12.12 14:50:00 - [26] Edited by: Tres Farmer on 12/12/2007 14:52:01 Originally by: Jacque Custeau I am training up cruiser construction 5, but I am baffled that building this ship requires the same skills as a Command ship and more than a HAC. Same to you.. check the skills needed to build an Assault Frigate and then come back.. I really can't see the point of your baffles.. the frigate and the cruiser construction skill was out way before trinity. At least the frigate skill has been used at lvl5 till then, so now the cruiser has also a use on lvl5, so no point goes to the 'only the next ship-class used the construction skill on lvl5'-fraction. That CCP changed the skill for the T2 BS to lvl4, was done, because the BS construction skill has been implemented to TQ with trinity itself, so new T2 BS would had taken REALLY +25 days till their first appearance on market. CCP decided against that. Fine. So, somewhere in the future we might see a use for Bs constuction lvl5 anyways as I'm sure the T2-Capital-Components won't be used for the jump-frighters only..
scramblekid Gallente Dedspace Saints Scalar Federation	Posted - 2007.12.12 16:09:00 - [27] OP fails Invention requires a degree of research into its undertaking. If you are going to do this then know what you are doing before you start. The info was available, I can remember reading countless posts on the skill reqs before the patch hit. I dont invent tech 2 ships, I invent tech 2 drones and guns. But Even i knew before I had the skills for invention that I would need industry 5 to build the drones even though that was not needed to invent them. Prior planning prevents p**s poor performance. remember your 6 p`s and stop whining. I really doubt any one cares.

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