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McFly Path of Light R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.11 06:12:00 - [1] Notes: This is for fun a T1 Cruiser fight tournament. What do you think of whether or not this will be able to kill anything before it goes down in a bright flash? The goal obviously is to get in close with the MWD, web the target and pray to kill it before it takes you down. Now I can't use T2 guns obviously but it's just for fun. Neutrons wouldn't fit, sadly. I'm looking to find out what it's big competition would be. DPS is slated at 550, with an alpha of 1029, using DG Antimatter. Highs: 5x Med Modal Ion Blasters Mids: 1x Large Shield Extender II 1x 10MN MWD II 1x Stasis Web II Lows: 5x Mag Field Stab II Drones: 5x Hammerhead II What should I be looking at as the hardest tanks to bring down? I looked at a couple of my other cruiser setups, and I didn't see much of anything coming near this DPS in amarr or caldari cruisers. So what do you all think? -- --my opinions do not reflect that of my corp nor my alliance--
Corwain Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2007.12.11 06:18:00 - [2] Personally if I was restricted to T1 and no warpouts and had to fly a Thorax I'd go: 5x Light Modal Neutrons MWD, injector, web Small Acomm, N-Type Ex, N-Type Th, N-Type Ki, 1600mm plate 5x Hammerhead Is --
Kathira Gallente Denial of Service Freelancer Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.11 06:28:00 - [3] Edited by: Kathira on 11/12/2007 06:31:31 Edited by: Kathira on 11/12/2007 06:30:03 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II/ med repper II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II 150mm Railgun II,Antimatter Charge S 150mm Railgun II,Antimatter Charge S 150mm Railgun II,Antimatter Charge S 150mm Railgun II,Antimatter Charge S 150mm Railgun II,Antimatter Charge S Drones_Active=Hammerhead II,5 Stay at 9.4 km distance and kill all the blasterboats.
r0b0to NYIT Gangstaz	Posted - 2007.12.11 06:37:00 - [4] Edited by: r0b0to on 11/12/2007 06:37:37 3x mag stab 2x eanm/rcu mwd/web/scram or shield extender 5x the biggest blasters you can fit 5x med ecm drones 1v1, see if your opponent can lock you ----------- D:
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.11 06:40:00 - [5] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 11/12/2007 06:42:10 Originally by: McFly Notes: This is for fun a T1 Cruiser fight tournament. What do you think of whether or not this will be able to kill anything before it goes down in a bright flash? The goal obviously is to get in close with the MWD, web the target and pray to kill it before it takes you down. Now I can't use T2 guns obviously but it's just for fun. Neutrons wouldn't fit, sadly. I'm looking to find out what it's big competition would be. DPS is slated at 550, with an alpha of 1029, using DG Antimatter. Highs: 5x Med Modal Ion Blasters Mids: 1x Large Shield Extender II 1x 10MN MWD II 1x Stasis Web II Lows: 5x Mag Field Stab II Drones: 5x Hammerhead II What should I be looking at as the hardest tanks to bring down? I looked at a couple of my other cruiser setups, and I didn't see much of anything coming near this DPS in amarr or caldari cruisers. So what do you all think? 5x MFS II won't make a hill of beans difference over 4 - and even that's very marginal over 3. Consider: Thorax 5x Modal Ion (CN Antimatter) 10mn MWD II, Stasis Web II, 'Cetus' ECM Shockwave 800mm RT Plate, EANM II, DC II, 2x MFS II 3x Trimarks 5x Hammerhead II Strongly consider replacing the third trimark with a Semiconductor Memory Cell (imho) to run the MWD/ECM Burst longer. If it's just you and a Rupture at the end, you die. Kill ruptures and stabbers first. ^_^ -Liang Ed: And don't forget to run around scooping other people's drones if someone pops yours. ECM drones would be a strong consideration as well. -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.11 06:41:00 - [6] overheat web, win ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.11 06:45:00 - [7] Originally by: Erotic Irony overheat web, win Stabber 4x D180 AC II, 2x Assault Launcher II 10mn MWD II, LSE II, Med Cap Battery II 2x OD II, Gyro II 3x Ambit rigs -- 210 DPS (roughly 105 at 23km) How far does your overheated web go again? -Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
McFly Path of Light R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.11 06:55:00 - [8] thanks for the info, all...sadly the neutrons will not fit with my skills, and I'm not buy implants for a couple fights depending on how many rounds I can go. Anyway I cant use ECM drones... :( its on that long list of skills to get around to...lol. I'm looking at some of those setups but most simply I either don't have the skills or wont fit. Although I think I may drop two mag stabs for EANMs...but the 800mm plate put me over PG again. Anyway thanks... -- --my opinions do not reflect that of my corp nor my alliance--
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.11 06:58:00 - [9] Originally by: McFly thanks for the info, all...sadly the neutrons will not fit with my skills, and I'm not buy implants for a couple fights depending on how many rounds I can go. Anyway I cant use ECM drones... :( its on that long list of skills to get around to...lol. I'm looking at some of those setups but most simply I either don't have the skills or wont fit. Although I think I may drop two mag stabs for EANMs...but the 800mm plate put me over PG again. Anyway thanks... If the 800mm plate put you over PG, put an ACR on it. -Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
McFly Path of Light R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.11 07:06:00 - [10] ok heres a change, I added in a DC II and a Adaptive Nano Plating II, giving me effectively 18185HP according to EveFit. my DPS dropped down to 519 and alpha dropped to 991, but this looks to hold 6000HP longer than the first setup. I also played with just adding the DCII which looked a little promising but the Nano Plating adds additional strength. -- --my opinions do not reflect that of my corp nor my alliance--
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.11 07:08:00 - [11] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Erotic Irony overheat web, win Stabber 4x D180 AC II, 2x Assault Launcher II 10mn MWD II, LSE II, Med Cap Battery II 2x OD II, Gyro II 3x Ambit rigs -- 210 DPS (roughly 105 at 23km) How far does your overheated web go again? -Liang what ammo in the d180? barrage? can that track light/med drones? ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2007.12.11 07:11:00 - [12] Originally by: Erotic Irony Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Erotic Irony overheat web, win Stabber 4x D180 AC II, 2x Assault Launcher II 10mn MWD II, LSE II, Med Cap Battery II 2x OD II, Gyro II 3x Ambit rigs -- 210 DPS (roughly 105 at 23km) How far does your overheated web go again? -Liang what ammo in the d180? barrage? can that track light/med drones? Med yes light are iffy and depend on the pilot.
KD.Fluffy The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.11 07:19:00 - [13] thorax... 5x 200mm railgin IIs 2x webs, 1x 10mn mwd II 2x nanofiber IIS, 3x overdrive IIs built soley to beat liangs rupture setup :P Boost The Eagle!
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.11 07:23:00 - [14] Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Erotic Irony Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Erotic Irony overheat web, win Stabber 4x D180 AC II, 2x Assault Launcher II 10mn MWD II, LSE II, Med Cap Battery II 2x OD II, Gyro II 3x Ambit rigs -- 210 DPS (roughly 105 at 23km) How far does your overheated web go again? -Liang what ammo in the d180? barrage? can that track light/med drones? Med yes light are iffy and depend on the pilot. imma train hybrids just to test this on sisi or tq if liang agrees for great justice ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.11 07:28:00 - [15] Originally by: Erotic Irony imma train hybrids just to test this on sisi or tq if liang agrees for great justice I PVP on TQ (and took down a noob fit drake in a Stabber setup very similarly to that one). That said, I'm not entirely comfortable revealing my Minnie alt to my 'forum fans'. -Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.11 07:32:00 - [16] Originally by: KD.Fluffy thorax... 5x 200mm railgin IIs 2x webs, 1x 10mn mwd II 2x nanofiber IIS, 3x overdrive IIs built soley to beat liangs rupture setup :P LOL! I'd still outrun you (by a fair margin), but you'd probably pelt me to death before I came up with a good counter. I happen to KNOW my nav skills are better than yours. :p -Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
KD.Fluffy The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.11 07:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: KD.Fluffy thorax... 5x 200mm railgin IIs 2x webs, 1x 10mn mwd II 2x nanofiber IIS, 3x overdrive IIs built soley to beat liangs rupture setup :P LOL! I'd still outrun you (by a fair margin), but you'd probably pelt me to death before I came up with a good counter. I happen to KNOW my nav skills are better than yours. :p -Liang well with similar skills the thorax shoudl be faster then the rupture.... sad that who ever is faster wins eh? speed is king in this game. Get in the game btw we need ot tank some nublets. Boost The Eagle!
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.11 07:35:00 - [18] Originally by: KD.Fluffy well with similar skills the thorax shoudl be faster then the rupture.... sad that who ever is faster wins eh? speed is king in this game. Get in the game btw we need ot tank some nublets. It was a stabber. You're still slower. Logging in. ;-) -Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2007.12.11 07:40:00 - [19] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Erotic Irony imma train hybrids just to test this on sisi or tq if liang agrees for great justice I PVP on TQ (and took down a noob fit drake in a Stabber setup very similarly to that one). That said, I'm not entirely comfortable revealing my Minnie alt to my 'forum fans'. -Liang You got fanboys?Where the hell do you get them???
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.11 07:49:00 - [20] Originally by: goodby4u You got fanboys?Where the hell do you get them??? I don't know... and probably don't want to considering what some of them have evemailed me... (or said in local). Some of it is 'sweet', but generally its gone from cruel to grotesque. It was the reason I first decided to 'retire' from the Eve-O forums. I don't know why I still post here, except that it is occasionally amusing. -Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
serbian evilboy Fire Mandrill	Posted - 2007.12.11 08:32:00 - [21] 5x Heavy Electron II MWD II, web, scram?(if no warp outs, then fit another web or cap recharger etc..) dcu II, eanm II, 2x mfs II, 800 plate 1x hammerhead II, 4x valkyre II
Aerin Cloudfayr Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.12.11 08:43:00 - [22] Originally by: Liang Nuren I don't know why I still post here, except that it is occasionally amusing. -Liang you're one of the few constructive members round here, which is why I'm still reading (b^-')b
Dreadmuppet Four	Posted - 2007.12.11 11:10:00 - [23] if you are restricted to the thorax I think i'd go for either a full gank with a centus shockwave and ECM drones to try and give you some form of vague tank. the largest plate you can and small neutron blasters + damage drones
ImmortaL ZoorZ Cruoris Seraphim	Posted - 2007.12.11 11:26:00 - [24] Edited by: ImmortaL ZoorZ on 11/12/2007 11:29:55 Edited by: ImmortaL ZoorZ on 11/12/2007 11:27:58 Originally by: Corwain Personally if I was restricted to T1 and no warpouts and had to fly a Thorax I'd go: 5x Light Modal Neutrons MWD, injector, web Small Acomm, N-Type Ex, N-Type Th, N-Type Ki, 1600mm plate 5x Hammerhead Is He's right and ive had quite afew cruiser 1v1's in my thrax although if your both gunna be in a thrax then why the mwd? 2 small reps and a cap inj maybe?
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:11:00 - [25] Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Erotic Irony imma train hybrids just to test this on sisi or tq if liang agrees for great justice I PVP on TQ (and took down a noob fit drake in a Stabber setup very similarly to that one). That said, I'm not entirely comfortable revealing my Minnie alt to my 'forum fans'. -Liang You got fanboys?Where the hell do you get them??? I confess I'm liangs fan girl Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Horza Otho Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:15:00 - [26] Vexor. Let drones use overheat too!
McFly Path of Light R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.12 04:09:00 - [27] The format is any T1 cruiser of any race. I chose thorax because I was hoping I could win just by DPS. As for the vexor I've played with it and think I just don't know how to use it. Everything I've seen is to fit it with nos and let the drones do the damage. But I don't see that working out all that well unless it's enough to run a dual rep and like I said my armor skills aren't the best. But any other advice is more than welcome. I really don't fly T1 cruisers anymore, I usually find myself in a curse, flycatcher, or my crusader and malediction. I'm very wierdly cross trained...38mil SP and it's all over the place....lol -- --my opinions do not reflect that of my corp nor my alliance--
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.12 05:54:00 - [28] Well, here's some changes of pace for you (sleeplessness FTW) ECM Thorax 5x 200mm Proto Rail (CN Antimatter) 10mn MWD II, 2x Hypnos Multi ECM 3x OD II, 2x CPR II 2x Partical Dispersion Augs Good skills gets you between a 25-35% chance to jam any T1 cruiser. With cycle jamming, you can run the MWD and 2 ECM's indefinitely. Slow down and engage with the Rails + Drones for a free 20 seconds of damage when you get a jam. Back to the topic at hand: The Vexor should be fit with Lt Neutrons or 150mm Rails and a 1600 RT plate (imho). Consider nano'ing it with D150 rails as well. -Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
McFly Path of Light R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.12 12:40:00 - [29] Okay here's what I've got... for a vexor fit. Highs: 4x Light Neutron II's with Void S 1x Med Energy Neut Mids: 1x Named Med Afterburner 2x Stasis Web II Lows: 1x DCU II 1x N-Type Ex Hardner 1x N-Type EANM 1x 1600mm RT Plate Drones: 1x Ogre I (maybe t2 if the skill is short when I get back home) 2x Hammerhead II 1x Hobgoblin II 1x Stasis Web Drone (25m3 no choices on size :( ) No MWD and using the blasters is gonna make me take a minute to get in range, so throw the web drone out there. And start approaching unless he's slow to. Once in web/neut range hit him with all three, (pulsing the neut to maintain my cap. Once the dual webs are on pull back the SW drone and through the ogre out. Get in close with the Void and pummel away. EFT reports an effective HP of 25.7K so it'll take a while for him to bring me down, resists at 71.1/53.5/53.5/67 Cap lasts two minutes with everything on at once, so the neut won't be draining me. Questions with this... Where should I be orbiting? should I use a different ammo? would it be better to swap for the S 150mm rails? I want the DPS as high as possible. Mainly because other fighters will no doubtedly be watching the match I want to drop the person fast enough that they don't have time to analyze what I'm up to too much. Rules: The tourney is all T1 cruisers from all races, I'm not stuck on gallente or anything but with only T2 missiles and T2 Small Hybrids I'm not left with much. Amarr cruisers suck for the most part. Minnie, I just dont have the projectile skills to be effective. And caldari missile boats can't tank long and missiles don't have dps worth crap. Starting range is not yet finalized, I believe it is warp in at what you want. So I'll probably just land at the spot and slowboat or if he's fast let him come in quick and then throw the webs and webbing drone on him as he comes close. Anyway lemme know what you think. Tourney is this weekend and we'll see where it goes.... -- --my opinions do not reflect that of my corp nor my alliance--

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