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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.12 08:11:00 -
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Hyena, stats with LG snakes (+ all speed hardwires except Shaqil)
Lows: 2x Domi OD's, PDSII Mids: Gistii-A MWD, TS web, TS disruptor, small battery II Highs: whatever Rigs: 2x polycarbs I
Can either permamwd or run all mods for 2 1/2 minutes. 12.1 Km/sec (in gang ofc). Add a Sacrilege and you get a rather nasty skirmish warfare combo.
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Sin Meng
Gallente Helios Incorporated Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.12.12 08:17:00 -
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I assume you've actually tested this theory before calling it fact... I mean you wouldn't be just spitting out EFT warrior code now would you? Heres a flamesuit. -------------------------
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Shardrael
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.12.12 08:45:00 -
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did you really just cut and post from that other guys thread to tell us this?
way to go spending well over a bil on a tackler frig with about as many hp's as a beefed up shuttle.
you happen to be going at the wrong angle away from a bs and you could be one volleyed.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2007.12.12 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Shardrael did you really just cut and post from that other guys thread to tell us this?
way to go spending well over a bil on a tackler frig with about as many hp's as a beefed up shuttle.
you happen to be going at the wrong angle away from a bs and you could be one volleyed.
actually he started an identical thread earlier, why this one needs to exist no one noes ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.12 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sin Meng I assume you've actually tested this theory before calling it fact... I mean you wouldn't be just spitting out EFT warrior code now would you? Heres a flamesuit.
You must be pretty inexperienced to believe what you posted... And a flamesuit for what ?
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.12 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Shardrael did you really just cut and post from that other guys thread to tell us this?
way to go spending well over a bil on a tackler frig with about as many hp's as a beefed up shuttle.
you happen to be going at the wrong angle away from a bs and you could be one volleyed.
Actually it's more like 500 mil, and I like your theoretical concern but I've never been one-volleyed by anyone yet when using similar ships.
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.12 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Erotic Irony
Originally by: Shardrael did you really just cut and post from that other guys thread to tell us this?
way to go spending well over a bil on a tackler frig with about as many hp's as a beefed up shuttle.
you happen to be going at the wrong angle away from a bs and you could be one volleyed.
actually he started an identical thread earlier, why this one needs to exist no one noes
The other setup was purely maximizing webs, this one has two different mods and a completely different role.
By the way, "noes" = "knows"
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.12.12 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet Hyena, stats with LG snakes (+ all speed hardwires except Shaqil)
Lows: 2x Domi OD's, PDSII Mids: Gistii-A MWD, TS web, TS disruptor, small battery II Highs: whatever Rigs: 2x polycarbs I
Can either permamwd or run all mods for 2 1/2 minutes. 12.1 Km/sec (in gang ofc). Add a Sacrilege and you get a rather nasty skirmish warfare combo.
Dissapointed. Ship is too cheap. Please fit T2 polycarbons and HG snakes and domi webs so we can have better EFT numbers.
Rifters!
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Kalidann
Caldari Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2007.12.12 09:40:00 -
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Crusader
Lows: 3x Domi OD's, 1x Domi Nanofiber Meds: Gistii-A MWD, Domi Warp Disruptor Highs: Lazorz Rigs: 2x Polycarbon II
With a claymore with max leadership skills, highgrade snakes, max skills, and an overheated mwd this goes 47.9 km/s I can outrun your expensive ship with my even more expensive ship, Yarr!
non-overheated is *only* 32.5 km/s, zomg, I just made an impractically expensive interceptor fit!
EFT ftl, go play eve.
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.12 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Semkhet Hyena, stats with LG snakes (+ all speed hardwires except Shaqil)
Lows: 2x Domi OD's, PDSII Mids: Gistii-A MWD, TS web, TS disruptor, small battery II Highs: whatever Rigs: 2x polycarbs I
Can either permamwd or run all mods for 2 1/2 minutes. 12.1 Km/sec (in gang ofc). Add a Sacrilege and you get a rather nasty skirmish warfare combo.
Dissapointed. Ship is too cheap. Please fit T2 polycarbons and HG snakes and domi webs so we can have better EFT numbers.
I understand your pain, having 9 months game play up your ass doesn't really help getting the whole pic.
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Kalidann
Caldari Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2007.12.12 09:49:00 -
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oh, I forgot, the claymore pilot needs a skirmish mindlink... so make that 55.1 km/s
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.12 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kalidann Crusader
Lows: 3x Domi OD's, 1x Domi Nanofiber Meds: Gistii-A MWD, Domi Warp Disruptor Highs: Lazorz Rigs: 2x Polycarbon II
With a claymore with max leadership skills, highgrade snakes, max skills, and an overheated mwd this goes 47.9 km/s I can outrun your expensive ship with my even more expensive ship, Yarr!
non-overheated is *only* 32.5 km/s, zomg, I just made an impractically expensive interceptor fit!
EFT ftl, go play eve.
Don't post EFT setups with polycarbs II when you don't even have the means to use Polycarbs I.
Beside, provided you had the shadow of a clue (what you obviously don't), even with a viable setup, you won't outrun zilch since you will get webbed at the limit of your Crusader's locking range, genius.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.12.12 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet
I understand your pain, having 9 months game play up your ass doesn't really help getting the whole pic.
I understand the basic concepts of cost-efficency and expected returns on the investment, but it is unfortunately not a trainable skill-set in EvE.
Rifters!
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Kalidann
Caldari Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2007.12.12 10:09:00 -
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I wish I was a 2005 player too, then I could call all us 2006 players nubtards, instead of just the 2007 players
(I did say my setup was impractical, did I not?)
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mallina
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Shardrael did you really just cut and post from that other guys thread to tell us this?
way to go spending well over a bil on a tackler frig with about as many hp's as a beefed up shuttle.
you happen to be going at the wrong angle away from a bs and you could be one volleyed.
Actually it's more like 500 mil, and I like your theoretical concern but I've never been one-volleyed by anyone yet when using similar ships.
Never had a 1400pest 'perfectly strike' your Inty, wrecking for all your HP in a single shot despite the fact you had 5km/sec transversal?
I dunno, maybe I'm just unlucky. The same thing happened from a Moros to my Harby. No hits whatsoever (cept for drones) then -bam-, 7K perfstrike and flashy mailbox notifiying me that I just got pwned by a diceroll.
Luckily said Inty was only worth about 10mil. I would never, ever fit 500mil to such a ship because no matter how well I fly it, it's going to die eventually if I use it on a regular basis. ---
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2007.12.12 10:18:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 12/12/2007 10:22:17
Originally by: Kalidann I wish I was a 2005 player too, then I could call all us 2006 players nubtards, instead of just the 2007 players
(I did say my setup was impractical, did I not?)
this means I can call this guy nubtard?
I'm a 2003 player afterall
anyways, basing setups in faction mods and pirate implants that make your ship worth the equivalent to a carrier and then scream "OMG HERE! PWNAGE TACKLER!" is somewhat... duh?
unless your a rich guy.
oh and interceptor with similar setup and implants will outrun that hyena.
edit: or maybe this guy is just ******* arround and this is pretty much a joke/troll post ---
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Mr Duk
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.12.12 10:26:00 -
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epeened to the max omg its my uber noob alt |
goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.12.12 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 12/12/2007 09:56:38
Originally by: Kalidann Crusader
Lows: 3x Domi OD's, 1x Domi Nanofiber Meds: Gistii-A MWD, Domi Warp Disruptor Highs: Lazorz Rigs: 2x Polycarbon II
With a claymore with max leadership skills, highgrade snakes, max skills, and an overheated mwd this goes 47.9 km/s I can outrun your expensive ship with my even more expensive ship, Yarr!
non-overheated is *only* 32.5 km/s, zomg, I just made an impractically expensive interceptor fit!
EFT ftl, go play eve.
Don't post EFT setups with polycarbs II when you don't even have the means to use Polycarbs I.
Beside, provided you had the shadow of a clue (what you obviously don't), even with a viable setup, you won't outrun zilch since you will get webbed at the limit of your Crusader's locking range, genius.
Funny how nubtards don't understand that you don't have to outrun all ships when you can simply impeach them to get close enough to represent a threat.
Well yeah but the crusader wins because its faster....I mean isnt speed and uber expensive setups what this entire thread was about?
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.12 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet Hyena, stats with LG snakes (+ all speed hardwires except Shaqil)
Lows: 2x Domi OD's, PDSII Mids: Gistii-A MWD, TS web, TS disruptor, small battery II Highs: whatever Rigs: 2x polycarbs I
Can either permamwd or run all mods for 2 1/2 minutes. 12.1 Km/sec (in gang ofc). Add a Sacrilege and you get a rather nasty skirmish warfare combo.
WTF does a Sacrilege have to do with skirmish warfare?
And stupid expensive fit BTW. Can you try to keep the cost somewhere under 200M (including implants) next time?
-Liang
-- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU.
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Zhaine
Huff Technologies
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Posted - 2007.12.12 10:35:00 -
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Look how everyone is slating your utterly impractical EFT set up that a Minnie Recon will shred in seconds!
EFT perfectly strikes the forums, wrecking for 1000 useless threads.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2007.12.12 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Erotic Irony
Originally by: Shardrael did you really just cut and post from that other guys thread to tell us this?
way to go spending well over a bil on a tackler frig with about as many hp's as a beefed up shuttle.
you happen to be going at the wrong angle away from a bs and you could be one volleyed.
actually he started an identical thread earlier, why this one needs to exist no one noes
The other setup was purely maximizing webs, this one has two different mods and a completely different role.
By the way, "noes" = "knows"
heh, noes
how vulnerable are you in the initial uncloak after a jump as you build up speed? wouldn't a gimpy destroyer or sniper harpy with target painter be enough to force you off? I've been on a handful of gisti crow/ceptor mails in this very same way--surely this is just as vulnerable ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
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Joie Mains
Vindicator A Team
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Posted - 2007.12.12 10:51:00 -
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ofc its not a ceptor its a frig ceptors cost to much on topic to tackle targets u don't need that much speed anyway 3-4 km/sec is more then enuff unless u want to try stop nano ships ..
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ThroatWarbler Mangrove
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.12 10:57:00 -
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This is pretty funny. I'm happy enough to have my MWD-equipped Merlin that can manage a whole 1.7km/s with my <2M skill points. Plus it don't cost anything so I can get blasted endlessly in the tackling role and just come back with another. The joys of noobyness ;) I is a n00b, be nice to me :p |
Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2007.12.12 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: ThroatWarbler Mangrove Edited by: ThroatWarbler Mangrove on 12/12/2007 10:58:21 This is pretty funny. I'm happy enough to have my MWD-equipped Merlin that can manage a whole 1.7km/s with my <2M skill points. Plus it don't cost anything so I can get blasted endlessly in the tackling role and just come back with another. The joys of noobyness
actually, you can do faster, and cheaper in a condor, that is if you want to play with 2 meds only ---
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.12 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
WTF does a Sacrilege have to do with skirmish warfare?
And stupid expensive fit BTW. Can you try to keep the cost somewhere under 200M (including implants) next time?
-Liang
If you don't know what a Sacrilege means as nanoship then you've pretty much defined yourself
And would you check for ex. the last ship I sold on forums you would know that the last I'm interested in are the mediocre fits at everybody's reach. Put in other words, when you can afford to use and LOOSE a Ferrari there's no reason to drive in a Golf...
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.12 11:08:00 -
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Funny how in this thread everybody focuses on speed while completely forgetting the resulting mix of abilities this Hyena achieves (speed/web/scram). Speed is only needed to speed-tank missiles & gun tracking.
Well, there's no blind like the one who doesn't want to see
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Aleranie
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Posted - 2007.12.12 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Aleranie on 12/12/2007 11:30:48 The reason that setup fails as a tackler is because it has **** for lock speed.
Inties rock for tackling because they all have awesome targeting resolution. Over 1000 on most of them before you even put a sig booster.
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Phoenicia
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.12 11:32:00 -
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So basically you're posting a fitting that just about no one can afford to fly. And those who can aren't stupid enough to try it. And then you think you can get all high & mighty by letting people know that you've played longer than they have, or that they don't have the money to lose this incredibly idiotic fitting?
What exactly are you looking for? Praise? You can not be seriously looking for an active discussion on "how to improve my setup" cause no one will fly anything remotely close to this setup!
You don't post necro-***-bestiality to a mainstream **** forum and then start calling people perverts cause they didn't like what you posted....
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys Monkey Religion
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Posted - 2007.12.12 11:42:00 -
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May I talk condescending to people who are smarter than me too? ----------------
Originally by: "Cyberus" cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
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ThroatWarbler Mangrove
Caldari Righteous-Indignation
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Posted - 2007.12.12 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: ThroatWarbler Mangrove on 12/12/2007 11:53:27
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: ThroatWarbler Mangrove Edited by: ThroatWarbler Mangrove on 12/12/2007 10:58:21 This is pretty funny. I'm happy enough to have my MWD-equipped Merlin that can manage a whole 1.7km/s with my <2M skill points. Plus it don't cost anything so I can get blasted endlessly in the tackling role and just come back with another. The joys of noobyness
actually, you can do faster, and cheaper in a condor, that is if you want to play with 2 meds only
Wow, the choices for that whole 1 med slot left after the MWD is fitted would be mind boggling Truly the Condor is l33t!
Seriously, what is the Condor good for??
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Kalidann
Caldari Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2007.12.12 11:59:00 -
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The condor is good for doing the worlds collide level 1 mission with a freshly created character.
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DARTHxFREE
G.R.U.N.T
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Posted - 2007.12.12 12:12:00 -
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It's not his fault, he just is unsure of what a tackler is.
Tackler is a ship that catches the enemy, it has to be Fast Speed Fast Warp - Hyena 6au/sec? Fast Targeting - EWAR marginly better then Dessy CHEEP - No poly carbon,faction Expendable to some extent Evasive tank - EWAR 2x sig radius
Stiletto has about +60% Scan Resolution thats a pod killer. Only thing the EWAR has against the INTY is the strong sensors, defence against tacklers is often EC-600 then warp out before the DPS arives /join Cheeze & Whine Club
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MitchPT
Hippie Haters Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.12 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: ThroatWarbler Mangrove
Seriously, what is the Condor good for??
To invent and build Crows and Raptors, what else???
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Maeltstome
Minmatar D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: DARTHxFREE It's not his fault, he just is unsure of what a tackler is.
Tackler is a ship that catches the enemy, it has to be Fast Speed Fast Warp - Hyena 6au/sec? Fast Targeting - EWAR marginly better then Dessy CHEEP - No poly carbon,faction Expendable to some extent Evasive tank - EWAR 2x sig radius
Stiletto has about +60% Scan Resolution thats a pod killer. Only thing the EWAR has against the INTY is the strong sensors, defence against tacklers is often EC-600 then warp out before the DPS arives
Like all things in eve, its all about what situation your in. Speed is handy for keeping a point on a target offgate, but what if you have to stop a large target thats re-approaching while you're 2 jumps ahead of a gang?
The plated punisher or dual repping vengence are your ships of choice for tackling heavy targets. Ofc a huginn with a faction scram is equally effective, if a little more expensive :)
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NoNah
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Posted - 2007.12.12 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet Hyena, stats with LG snakes (+ all speed hardwires except Shaqil)
Lows: 2x Domi OD's, PDSII Mids: Gistii-A MWD, TS web, TS disruptor, small battery II Highs: whatever Rigs: 2x polycarbs I
Can either permamwd or run all mods for 2 1/2 minutes. 12.1 Km/sec (in gang ofc). Add a Sacrilege and you get a rather nasty skirmish warfare combo.
Awesome setup. Care to show me how it does in space?
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Aurix Lexico
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.12 12:38:00 -
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I love the way he is saying he is better/played longer than everyone else, then mentions that sacrileges use skirmish gang mods.
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Zhaine
Huff Technologies
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Posted - 2007.12.12 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Dahak2150 May I talk condescending to people who are smarter than me too?
You have to post an utterly laughable and ridiculous set up with complete seriousness first. . .
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DARTHxFREE
G.R.U.N.T
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Posted - 2007.12.12 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: DARTHxFREE on 12/12/2007 12:45:00 Spot the Differance /join Cheeze & Whine Club
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Phoenicia
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.12 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: DARTHxFREE Edited by: DARTHxFREE on 12/12/2007 12:45:00 Spot the Differance
I spotted one! People are still trying to be serious in that one
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Xzar Fyrarr
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Posted - 2007.12.12 12:59:00 -
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Assuming that there are no huginn's are the opposing forces side. Assuming that there are no smart bombs. Assuming that there are no ECM ers. And assuming a whole lot of things. This setup is good, IF your talking about a whole *lot* of controlled situations. Other than having the advantage of a controlled enviroment... I really can't see the use of that setup...
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2007.12.12 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: ThroatWarbler Mangrove Edited by: ThroatWarbler Mangrove on 12/12/2007 11:53:27
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: ThroatWarbler Mangrove Edited by: ThroatWarbler Mangrove on 12/12/2007 10:58:21 This is pretty funny. I'm happy enough to have my MWD-equipped Merlin that can manage a whole 1.7km/s with my <2M skill points. Plus it don't cost anything so I can get blasted endlessly in the tackling role and just come back with another. The joys of noobyness
actually, you can do faster, and cheaper in a condor, that is if you want to play with 2 meds only
Wow, the choices for that whole 1 med slot left after the MWD is fitted would be mind boggling Truly the Condor is l33t!
Seriously, what is the Condor good for??
bar being faster than the merlin?
well...
refining? ---
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Victor Ivanov
Minmatar The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.12 14:40:00 -
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Hehe. OP gets flamed for being right.
I've got a hyena with t2 OD's, t2 mwd, with 1 disruptor and 2 webbers.
I happen to still own my snake clone, which gave me a top speed of exactly 10km/s while flying in gang yesterday, no particular noteworthy gang skills (I think skirmish warfare 3 or something. -_-)
I don't really see the problem here. It basically is an interceptor. It gets lowered sig radius, can web at 18 km at lvl 4, has high speed. Hell, it's like my Stilleto, just slightly slower and with a much higher web range.
This thing is the best tackler in game, bar none. Fit t2 stuff on it, and it's very cheap, quick and a pain in the butt for any nano gangs. :) ----------------------
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.12.12 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 12/12/2007 15:02:34
Originally by: Victor Ivanov Hehe. OP gets flamed for being right.
I've got a hyena with t2 OD's, t2 mwd, with 1 disruptor and 2 webbers.
I happen to still own my snake clone, which gave me a top speed of exactly 10km/s while flying in gang yesterday, no particular noteworthy gang skills (I think skirmish warfare 3 or something. -_-)
I don't really see the problem here. It basically is an interceptor. It gets lowered sig radius, can web at 18 km at lvl 4, has high speed. Hell, it's like my Stilleto, just slightly slower and with a much higher web range.
This thing is the best tackler in game, bar none. Fit t2 stuff on it, and it's very cheap, quick and a pain in the butt for any nano gangs. :)
Actually, people were flaming him for making it cost about 200M more then your fit, not because the principle sucks in any way. When T2 fit, it's still fast and does a great job as a tackler for relatively low cost.
Next thing you know, we'll have a 'nerf the Hyena' thread citing his setup and saying it's overpowered, and then you'll have to flame people all over again.
Rifters!
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2007.12.12 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 12/12/2007 15:02:34
Originally by: Victor Ivanov Hehe. OP gets flamed for being right.
I've got a hyena with t2 OD's, t2 mwd, with 1 disruptor and 2 webbers.
I happen to still own my snake clone, which gave me a top speed of exactly 10km/s while flying in gang yesterday, no particular noteworthy gang skills (I think skirmish warfare 3 or something. -_-)
I don't really see the problem here. It basically is an interceptor. It gets lowered sig radius, can web at 18 km at lvl 4, has high speed. Hell, it's like my Stilleto, just slightly slower and with a much higher web range.
This thing is the best tackler in game, bar none. Fit t2 stuff on it, and it's very cheap, quick and a pain in the butt for any nano gangs. :)
Actually, people were flaming him for making it cost about 200M more then your fit, not because the principle sucks in any way. When T2 fit, it's still fast and does a great job as a tackler for relatively low cost.
Next thing you know, we'll have a 'nerf the Hyena' thread citing his setup and saying it's overpowered, and then you'll have to flame people all over again.
exactly that.
a T2 fitted-only Hyena is not an omfgwtfpwnage tackler. it's a decent tackler with it's shortcomings.
slap enough stuff there to make it as valuable as a freakin' carrier and of course it's overpowered.
still, if you invest the same ammount of isk to pimp out an inteceptor like, let's say, an ares, it will be much more faster, and it will lock down a target faster too. ---
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Phoenicia
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.12 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko Actually, people were flaming him for making it cost about 200M more then your fit, not because the principle sucks in any way.
I was actually flaming him because he posts a setup and starts to get all superior/high & mighty/arrogant, when others point out certain flaws in his setup. Such as the cost.
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demonfurbie
Minmatar Covert-Nexus
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Posted - 2007.12.12 15:11:00 -
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not a ceptor
firetale
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.12 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 12/12/2007 15:02:34
Originally by: Victor Ivanov Hehe. OP gets flamed for being right.
I've got a hyena with t2 OD's, t2 mwd, with 1 disruptor and 2 webbers.
I happen to still own my snake clone, which gave me a top speed of exactly 10km/s while flying in gang yesterday, no particular noteworthy gang skills (I think skirmish warfare 3 or something. -_-)
I don't really see the problem here. It basically is an interceptor. It gets lowered sig radius, can web at 18 km at lvl 4, has high speed. Hell, it's like my Stilleto, just slightly slower and with a much higher web range.
This thing is the best tackler in game, bar none. Fit t2 stuff on it, and it's very cheap, quick and a pain in the butt for any nano gangs. :)
Actually, people were flaming him for making it cost about 200M more then your fit, not because the principle sucks in any way. When T2 fit, it's still fast and does a great job as a tackler for relatively low cost.
Next thing you know, we'll have a 'nerf the Hyena' thread citing his setup and saying it's overpowered, and then you'll have to flame people all over again.
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Victor Ivanov
Minmatar The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.12 16:13:00 -
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Fair enough. :) My bad.
Hrm, I think I prefer the hyena over my inties though. Like said, I'm going near enough around 10km/s. Not THAT fast, but fast enough to catch most things, especially if you get a claymore in gang.
The sig radius is lowered to be more or less in line with interceptors. The scan resolution is slightly lower, but still frigate sized.
All in all, the extra webbing range balances out all of its shortcomings, in my eyes. Very very nice addition. Was thinking they were going to be useless when I first read their description, but the EAS have redeemed themselves in my eyes. :)
Except the kitsune. -_- I've never liked jamming much, because there is fairly little you can do to counter it. At least with damps you can try and get in close. I've got all the jam skills up at like.. lvl 3-4, and the kitsune can effectively perma jam one non-capital ship, or jam multiple ships with a lower chance of success, but still above 50%. =\ Did I mention I really really hate jamming? At least....when it's used one me. ----------------------
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Posted - 2007.12.12 16:35:00 -
[49]
Setups like that are the reason gank Thrashers are so much fun to fly :)
I like to imagine the pilot crying as I squish the pod.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.12 16:36:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Liang Nuren
WTF does a Sacrilege have to do with skirmish warfare?
And stupid expensive fit BTW. Can you try to keep the cost somewhere under 200M (including implants) next time?
-Liang
If you don't know what a Sacrilege means as nanoship then you've pretty much defined yourself
And would you check for ex. the last ship I sold on forums you would know that the last I'm interested in are the mediocre fits at everybody's reach. Put in other words, when you can afford to use and LOOSE a Ferrari there's no reason to drive in a Golf...
I know perfectly what a Sacrilege means as a nano-ship, but you said for skirmish warfare. Did the Sacrilege randomly get the ability to mount skirmish mods?
WTF are you getting at with the sacrilege by implying that it somehow makes the Hyena even better?
And regardless you're looking at spending a couple of billion on your setup... try being just a ******* bit more realistic.
You're like the crazy person that suggested fitting officer Mag Fields to an Ishkur because you can get an extra 20 DPS out of it.
-Liang
-- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU.
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Liam Fremen
Gallente Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 16:50:00 -
[51]
Ares
3x Overdrive II 1x Nanofiber II 1x 10mn MWD 1x Webifier t2 1x Disruptor t2 3x whatever
With most relevant skills to 4 and 5 make 7/8 km/s without even 1 item not just t2.
With 2x polycarbon (i fit them daily) and normal lvl4 gang bonus it do 9.5km/s for just 2 polycarbon.
Now, say wtf ya want but 8km/s are at least for beign a good tackler, if you cost less it means you will jump on the enemy fleet trying to stop some of them while ur bs arrive without crying if ya lose ur fancy ship ^^
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Phoenicia
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.12 16:56:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Liam Fremen
1x 10mn MWD
Typo?
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lag kills
Woopatang The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.12 16:59:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Liang Nuren
WTF does a Sacrilege have to do with skirmish warfare?
And stupid expensive fit BTW. Can you try to keep the cost somewhere under 200M (including implants) next time?
-Liang
If you don't know what a Sacrilege means as nanoship then you've pretty much defined yourself
And would you check for ex. the last ship I sold on forums you would know that the last I'm interested in are the mediocre fits at everybody's reach. Put in other words, when you can afford to use and LOOSE a Ferrari there's no reason to drive in a Golf...
I know perfectly what a Sacrilege means as a nano-ship, but you said for skirmish warfare. Did the Sacrilege randomly get the ability to mount skirmish mods?
WTF are you getting at with the sacrilege by implying that it somehow makes the Hyena even better?
And regardless you're looking at spending a couple of billion on your setup... try being just a ******* bit more realistic.
You're like the crazy person that suggested fitting officer Mag Fields to an Ishkur because you can get an extra 20 DPS out of it.
-Liang
Pretty sure he meant small-gang pvp, in general, when saying skirmish warfare. You know, because small fights are called skirmishes.
And a Sac is going to hit the ships he tackles a lot harder because they're webbed, making the two a good combo for roaming together.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.12 17:38:00 -
[54]
Originally by: lag kills
Pretty sure he meant small-gang pvp, in general, when saying skirmish warfare. You know, because small fights are called skirmishes.
And a Sac is going to hit the ships he tackles a lot harder because they're webbed, making the two a good combo for roaming together.
All clear now?
Well considering that he was talking about the ship somehow magically being better by virtue of being in a gang with a Sacrilege, I had no choice but to assume that he was referring to Skirmish Warfare skill or mods.
Neither one were really applicable, hence my "wtf are joo smoking tonight?" comment.
It's like: "yeah dude I was flying my battleship and got pwnt!" "Wow, which one did you lose?" "The rifter!" "... The rifter is a frigate...." "but its my BATTLE frigate!!!"
....
-Liang
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2007.12.12 17:52:00 -
[55]
This just in... Condors are great!
MWD + web = 2 seconds of webbing anything slower than 3500 m/s!
In those entire 2 whole seconds - your gang can hopefully catch up with its mighty merlins and kestrels and further web and scram the hapless victim of the condor!
Be sure to arm it with 2 rocket launchers or you're a complete idiot.
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NiGHTSintodreams
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Posted - 2007.12.12 18:49:00 -
[56]
Let me say that having run into Semkhet, it is very likely that he knows what he is talking about when it comes to speed. --- It's a dream paradox...
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar Malicious Intentions The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 18:54:00 -
[57]
Hello Mr Huginn.....Can I be your friend please?
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Almarez
Setenta Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.12 19:53:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Semkhet Hyena, stats with LG snakes (+ all speed hardwires except Shaqil)
Lows: 2x Domi OD's, PDSII Mids: Gistii-A MWD, TS web, TS disruptor, small battery II Highs: whatever Rigs: 2x polycarbs I
Can either permamwd or run all mods for 2 1/2 minutes. 12.1 Km/sec (in gang ofc). Add a Sacrilege and you get a rather nasty skirmish warfare combo.
Why do people continue to Eve fit there way onto these forums. First of all, who the hell spends that much isk on such a small ship. All it takes is one heavy neut, or a neut from any of the Amarr neut/nos bonused ships and bye-bye Hyena. If the Amarr are a colony of ants then CCP is that mean kid with the magnifying glass trying to set the ants on fire. |
Laura Baretta
Minmatar Cult of the Skulls
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Posted - 2007.12.12 20:10:00 -
[59]
I'll buy 25 standard ceptors instead.
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.13 00:38:00 -
[60]
After looking at the depressing amount of replies of people whose best virtue is to be blinded either by cost considerations or by their inability to extrapolate the impact of such a Hyena setup, I've decided to expand in detail in order not to give any chances to misunderstandings.
First, let me state that IMO EvE is not a popularity contest, I can care less about what people appreciate or not, and as anonymous characters you would suffer from acute egocentrism to think that I feel any need to convince someone about the matter at hand. Hence I'm merely serving data regardless of any other consideration, and what you do with this data mainly depends of your degree of comprehension and capacity to extrapolate.
Second, about balance. Contrary to chess for ex, this game will never be balanced because the only real balance exists when your abilities depend exclusively from your mind and the initial power relation is absolutely equal. When you inject luck and differing capabilities in a game, balance is gone forever.
Third, to the cost. This thread is about getting the most out of a Hyena regardless of cost considerations. The same way you won't enter into an Ebel shop complaining that you don't see any chinese watch without looking like a fool, don't come here saying it's too expensive: nobody obliges you to interact in a context out of your reach. Also, those who can't believe that frigs and cruisers weighting 500 mil or more are used in PvP can also leave the thread since they've little to talk about.
Fourth, to the abilities. Other frigs can go faster, other frigs can lock faster, other frigs enjoy faster warp speed. Yet, despite all this, we hear all day long people bragging on forums against uncatchable nanoships. And guess what ? No other frig can do what a pimped Hyena can do when hunting nanoships in belts or far from station/gates.
Only a single guy understood what this was about, and I'm not saying this because he's an alliance m8. Besides nobody remembered to replace this in the new context of nerfed sensor boosters and tracking comps.
Provided your skills are ok, the Hyena ends with only 14% less scan res than the default stats of a Crow. Forget about warp velocity, it's not meant to pursue lil stuff. Forget about hvy neuts except faction ones since against a BS you can set your orbit at 27Km. Forget about Curses, this Hyena can either disengage at will or get out of neut range in 3 seconds. Forget about being tracked by guns or damaged by missiles. Forget about being tackled by another ceptor, pimped or not, since you can web him long before falling into his own web. Like any nanoship, the only threat you have to take care of are rapiers & huginns.
Ganged with a Sacrilege you can engage most nanoships. Tackling a nanoship near a belt with a conventional ceptor does not solve the problem of the target mwd'ing away when your gang warps to your inty unless you take the risk to suicide your ceptor by ordering to web the target. You usually still need a rapier/huginn, which are more skill intensive and not widespread.
The Hyena can disrupt and web, immune to everything except minnie recons, a sniper, or ecm. In the mean time, the Sacrilege can pwn the target on its lowest resists, sitting from as far as 65 Km. And if required, the Hyena will also ideally protect the Sac from other ceptors by enabling full missile & drone damage. Hence it's a very symbiotic relationship. Needless to say, a damage dealer sitting at 60 Km and a frig doing 12 Km/sec are ideally placed to disengage at will should things become difficult.
Prime targets are pimped vagas & ishtars. So yes, it's a 500 mil isk frig meant to be used in a 2-men gang hunting even more expensive HACs.
P.S: To the smartass who would come here bragging that a rapier could easy to the same job: you're wrong, he can't dodge gun fire nor evade missiles.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.12.13 02:00:00 -
[61]
A rapier or huggin could if he had the uber faction fittings you like to put on a hyena and at the same time have a stronger buffer then your ship.
Putting expensive mods on an inexpensive ship is usually very stupid,especially when that said ship is paper and costs about 10mil.
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Robstr
Solar Storm
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Posted - 2007.12.13 02:14:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Robstr on 13/12/2007 02:15:49 Edited by: Robstr on 13/12/2007 02:14:55 Good tackler? Yeah, it's very useful, I'm looking forward to the price stabilizing on it.
However, you honestly can't call it best if it requires such a huge amount of isk to make it so. That huge amount of isk, if required to make a good tackler, makes it the worst tackler, in my opinion.
Take any of the tackle inties: yeah they can't web at huge range but they can put a point down, and in most cases that's far more useful. 30km point, faster lock time, greater speed, negligible cap issues.
Ridiculous faction fit or not, those things hold true. The thing is this game is, for a majority of players, about cost effectiveness. That fit's got none of it. That makes it the worst to a lot of us.
I just also like to say, it doesn't matter how long you've played the game. The game has changes to much that a large amount of knowledge gained form X years ago doesn't even apply today. Me having played longer than you doesn't give me any right to tell you your inept at this game. Just the same, it doesn't give you the right to reject reasonable, valid arguments because they somehow don't "get" it. ====
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2007.12.13 03:30:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Semkhet
After looking at the depressing amount of replies of people whose best virtue is to be blinded either by cost considerations or by their inability to extrapolate the impact of such a Hyena setup, I've decided to expand in detail in order not to give any chances to misunderstandings.
First, let me state that IMO EvE is not a popularity contest, I can care less about what people appreciate or not, and as anonymous characters you would suffer from acute egocentrism to think that I feel any need to convince someone about the matter at hand. Hence I'm merely serving data regardless of any other consideration, and what you do with this data mainly depends of your degree of comprehension and capacity to extrapolate.
Second, about balance. Contrary to chess for ex, this game will never be balanced because the only real balance exists when your abilities depend exclusively from your mind and the initial power relation is absolutely equal. When you inject luck and differing capabilities in a game, balance is gone forever.
Third, to the cost. This thread is about getting the most out of a Hyena regardless of cost considerations. The same way you won't enter into an Ebel shop complaining that you don't see any chinese watch without looking like a fool, don't come here saying it's too expensive: nobody obliges you to interact in a context out of your reach. Also, those who can't believe that frigs and cruisers weighting 500 mil or more are used in PvP can also leave the thread since they've little to talk about.
Fourth, to the abilities. Other frigs can go faster, other frigs can lock faster, other frigs enjoy faster warp speed. Yet, despite all this, we hear all day long people bragging on forums against uncatchable nanoships. And guess what ? No other frig can do what a pimped Hyena can do when hunting nanoships in belts or far from station/gates.
Only a single guy understood what this was about, and I'm not saying this because he's an alliance m8. Besides nobody remembered to replace this in the new context of nerfed sensor boosters and tracking comps.
Provided your skills are ok, the Hyena ends with only 14% less scan res than the default stats of a Crow. Forget about warp velocity, it's not meant to pursue lil stuff. Forget about hvy neuts except faction ones since against a BS you can set your orbit at 27Km. Forget about Curses, this Hyena can either disengage at will or get out of neut range in 3 seconds. Forget about being tracked by guns, damaged by missiles or drones. Forget about being tackled by another ceptor, pimped or not, since you can web him long before falling into his own web. Like any nanoship, the only threat you have to take care of are rapiers & huginns.
Ganged with a Sacrilege you can engage most nanoships. Tackling a nanoship near a belt with a conventional ceptor does not solve the problem of the target mwd'ing away when your gang warps to your inty unless you take the risk to suicide your ceptor by ordering to web the target. You usually still need a rapier/huginn, which are more skill intensive and not widespread.
The Hyena can disrupt and web, immune to everything except minnie recons, a sniper, or ecm. In the mean time, the Sacrilege can pwn the target on its lowest resists, sitting from as far as 65 Km. And if required, the Hyena will also ideally protect the Sac from other ceptors by enabling full missile & drone damage. Hence it's a very symbiotic relationship. Needless to say, a damage dealer sitting at 60 Km and a frig doing 12 Km/sec are ideally placed to disengage at will should things become difficult.
link to your kb stats because all I see is
Ships & weapons used Crow 3 Absolution 2 Sacrilege
and on other boards I see anything but the pimp crusaders and half bil frig fits you keep boasting about
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.12.13 04:12:00 -
[64]
I understand the point of the op, but he does a poor job explaining it.
To sum it up: he deams the hyena the best tackler in very small pvp (2-3 ships) against nano ships. That's all he is really saying.
Of course this fitting is a waste in anything larger then 10 man gangs, where lucky shots are a plenty, and one would need to be suicidal to use these in fleet battles even with a cheap t2 fit.
I do agree that the hyena is the ideal tackler against nanoed HACs and the like, but like he said, if a hostile falcon decloaks, he's pretty much useless for anything but bait and fodder.
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shinsushi
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Posted - 2007.12.13 04:16:00 -
[65]
Originally by: goodby4u A rapier or huggin could if he had the uber faction fittings you like to put on a hyena and at the same time have a stronger buffer then your ship.
Putting expensive mods on an inexpensive ship is usually very stupid,especially when that said ship is paper and costs about 10mil.
Quoted for truth. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to throw 100 mil + isk into a ship thats so very fragile. Use it for what it does, which your right, very good tackling. Just remember to bug out if you see something that can hit you.
*waits for fanclub to arrive* An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. |
goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.12.13 05:34:00 -
[66]
Originally by: shinsushi
Originally by: goodby4u A rapier or huggin could if he had the uber faction fittings you like to put on a hyena and at the same time have a stronger buffer then your ship.
Putting expensive mods on an inexpensive ship is usually very stupid,especially when that said ship is paper and costs about 10mil.
Quoted for truth. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to throw 100 mil + isk into a ship thats so very fragile. Use it for what it does, which your right, very good tackling. Just remember to bug out if you see something that can hit you.
*waits for fanclub to arrive*
Both you AND liang have fanclubs?I WANT A FANBOY!!!
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Phoenicia
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.13 05:42:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 13/12/2007 00:49:49
drivel
I wrote at length about the errors in your logic. And what it means to post on a forum- to submit yourself to public opinion. I've decided to not bother and try to explain the flaws in your ship setup one last time:
When 500 mil isk ships have the ability to consistently get defeated by 50 mil isk ships, the setup is wrong.
When 20 people agree that the setup is wrong or over-cost, and 2 people say it's a good setup, go with statistics.
When you post a setup that just about no one will afford to fly, why post it?
When your entire target audience agrees that there are much better ways to spend your money, isn't it time to just give up and accept that there are much better ways to spend your money?
Also note that a Kitsune paired with a Rapier or Huginn can do the same job equally well and a lot cheaper.
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EvilSpork
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.12.13 06:14:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Phoenicia
Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 13/12/2007 00:49:49
drivel
I wrote at length about the errors in your logic. And what it means to post on a forum- to submit yourself to public opinion. I've decided to not bother and try to explain the flaws in your ship setup one last time:
When 500 mil isk ships have the ability to consistently get defeated by 50 mil isk ships, the setup is wrong.
When 20 people agree that the setup is wrong or over-cost, and 2 people say it's a good setup, go with statistics.
When you post a setup that just about no one will afford to fly, why post it?
When your entire target audience agrees that there are much better ways to spend your money, isn't it time to just give up and accept that there are much better ways to spend your money?
Also note that a Kitsune paired with a Rapier or Huginn can do the same job equally well and a lot cheaper.
this post contains too much logic and is therefore a failure. go fly t2 fit frigs and cry about being 6 months less "experienced" and much poorer than the OP. thats all he's after. logic does not work on people like him.
actually i encourage him to fly that.. in my home system... so i can loot his wreck. then laugh at him. and if he can afford to lose it then he should come back and we can do it all over again.
my tackler ships are great for everything ive ever used them for, and cost me 15 million isk total. if i lose one, i shed a single tear and undock in the next one.
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Dangerously Cheesey
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.13 06:27:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Semkhet Hyena, stats with LG snakes (+ all speed hardwires except Shaqil)
Lows: 2x Domi OD's, PDSII Mids: Gistii-A MWD, TS web, TS disruptor, small battery II Highs: whatever Rigs: 2x polycarbs I
Can either permamwd or run all mods for 2 1/2 minutes. 12.1 Km/sec (in gang ofc). Add a Sacrilege and you get a rather nasty skirmish warfare combo.
Too bad it still has to be in Heavy Neut range to web.
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.13 06:47:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Dangerously Cheesey
Too bad it still has to be in Heavy Neut range to web.
Too bad you believe that everyone fits faction hvy neuts, too bad you don't understand that BS's are NOT the target this ship is optimized for.
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.13 06:48:00 -
[71]
Originally by: goodby4u A rapier or huggin could if he had the uber faction fittings you like to put on a hyena and at the same time have a stronger buffer then your ship.
Putting expensive mods on an inexpensive ship is usually very stupid,especially when that said ship is paper and costs about 10mil.
Sure, that's why pimped crows have been used successfully since years...
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.13 06:53:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Robstr Edited by: Robstr on 13/12/2007 02:15:49 Edited by: Robstr on 13/12/2007 02:14:55 Good tackler? Yeah, it's very useful, I'm looking forward to the price stabilizing on it.
However, you honestly can't call it best if it requires such a huge amount of isk to make it so. That huge amount of isk, if required to make a good tackler, makes it the worst tackler, in my opinion.
Take any of the tackle inties: yeah they can't web at huge range but they can put a point down, and in most cases that's far more useful. 30km point, faster lock time, greater speed, negligible cap issues.
Ridiculous faction fit or not, those things hold true. The thing is this game is, for a majority of players, about cost effectiveness. That fit's got none of it. That makes it the worst to a lot of us.
I just also like to say, it doesn't matter how long you've played the game. The game has changes to much that a large amount of knowledge gained form X years ago doesn't even apply today. Me having played longer than you doesn't give me any right to tell you your inept at this game. Just the same, it doesn't give you the right to reject reasonable, valid arguments because they somehow don't "get" it.
I don't say someone playing the game since less than a year is inept. But the fact is that there's much more difference between a 10 mil sp vs 30 mil sp char for ex. than between a 30 mil sp char and a 50 mil one. And the basic point is that less sp = less cross-race training. It's only with cross-race training that you learn the intrinsic benefits and flaws of a wide range of ships, knowledge that you can later capitalize on both defense and attack.
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.13 06:58:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Erotic Irony
link to your kb stats because all I see is
Ships & weapons used Crow 3 Absolution 2 Sacrilege
and on other boards I see anything but the pimp crusaders and half bil frig fits you keep boasting about
I almost never post on KB's since I don't give a damn, only do that the few times something interesting happened, not to speak about boards being scrapped/changed etc... You play your ego game I don't. But why don't you try to do the reverse ? There's always two people getting the KM: try to find a single KM where I lost a pimp frig and you will be entitled to constructive criticism
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Phoenicia
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.13 07:01:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Semkhet
I almost never post on KB's since I don't give a damn, only do that the few times something interesting happened, not to speak about boards being scrapped/changed etc... You play your ego game I don't. But why don't you try to do the reverse ? There's always two people getting the KM: try to find a single KM where I lost a pimp frig and you will be entitled to constructive criticism
No, you come to the Ships & Modules boards to try and up your ego (Fail btw). And I think you know damn well that KB-linking is not allowed. And even if it were, a lot of the killboards out there don't recognize the new ships yet.
Also, you're posting on a public forum. NO ONE NEEDS YOUR PERMISSION TO POST CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.12.13 07:15:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: goodby4u A rapier or huggin could if he had the uber faction fittings you like to put on a hyena and at the same time have a stronger buffer then your ship.
Putting expensive mods on an inexpensive ship is usually very stupid,especially when that said ship is paper and costs about 10mil.
Sure, that's why pimped crows have been used successfully since years...
Well ofcourse thats before this big speed hype,after it means you NEVER uber pimp paper ships...Because youll either get webbed by a rapier/huggin(they can dual web your setup does not)or one volleyed by a sleip/vagabond/huggin/rapier/zealot or whatever else medium sized ship you can come up with.
Oh and also,pimped crows were used but i never liked them,you get about 30dps which means the stuff you can actually kill limits you to frigs and maybe a cruiser if the guy is a moron.
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.13 07:23:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Phoenicia
I wrote at length about the errors in your logic. And what it means to post on a forum- to submit yourself to public opinion. I've decided to not bother and try to explain the flaws in your ship setup one last time:
When 500 mil isk ships have the ability to consistently get defeated by 50 mil isk ships, the setup is wrong.
When 20 people agree that the setup is wrong or over-cost, and 2 people say it's a good setup, go with statistics.
When you post a setup that just about no one will afford to fly, why post it?
When your entire target audience agrees that there are much better ways to spend your money, isn't it time to just give up and accept that there are much better ways to spend your money?
Also note that a Kitsune paired with a Rapier or Huginn can do the same job equally well and a lot cheaper.
About statistics, opinions are NOT facts. 84% of the german parliament voted in favor of ******, allowing him to suspend the Constitution and turn Germany into a dictature. We all know how well all this ended do we ? There are plenty of example like this, so you can keep your statistics, I'll rather rely on my experience.
Besides, your rapier/huginn suffers a mixed weapons system, can neither tank nor inflict consistent damage nor optimize the damage type nor dismiss range considerations like a Sacrilege. FYI, there's a Sac polycarb setup with all res over 75% where you can still permarun the MAR, MWD and a smartbomb. Get back to me the day you can do that on a rapier/huginn...
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.12.13 07:27:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Phoenicia
I wrote at length about the errors in your logic. And what it means to post on a forum- to submit yourself to public opinion. I've decided to not bother and try to explain the flaws in your ship setup one last time:
When 500 mil isk ships have the ability to consistently get defeated by 50 mil isk ships, the setup is wrong.
When 20 people agree that the setup is wrong or over-cost, and 2 people say it's a good setup, go with statistics.
When you post a setup that just about no one will afford to fly, why post it?
When your entire target audience agrees that there are much better ways to spend your money, isn't it time to just give up and accept that there are much better ways to spend your money?
Also note that a Kitsune paired with a Rapier or Huginn can do the same job equally well and a lot cheaper.
About statistics, opinions are NOT facts. 84% of the german parliament voted in favor of ******, allowing him to suspend the Constitution and turn Germany into a dictature. We all know how well all this ended do we ? There are plenty of example like this, so you can keep your statistics, I'll rather rely on my experience.
Besides, your rapier/huginn suffers a mixed weapons system, can neither tank nor inflict consistent damage nor optimize the damage type nor dismiss range considerations like a Sacrilege. FYI, there's a Sac polycarb setup with all res over 75% where you can still permarun the MAR, MWD and a smartbomb. Get back to me the day you can do that on a rapier/huginn...
Rapier can cloak and doesnt suffer a mixed weapon system,they both go faster then a sac,they both have a ranged webbing bonus.
Its great how you conveniently left those stats out.
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Semkhet
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Posted - 2007.12.13 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenicia
Originally by: Semkhet
No, you come to the Ships & Modules boards to try and up your ego (Fail btw). And I think you know damn well that KB-linking is not allowed. And even if it were, a lot of the killboards out there don't recognize the new ships yet.
Also, you're posting on a public forum. NO ONE NEEDS YOUR PERMISSION TO POST CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.
Someone's life should be quite sad to think that there's even the remote possibility to boost an ego interacting through & with anonymous identities. But whatever, to each one his own: you cook it, you eat it...
Concerning the KB, you alone raised the subject. I never said that I've effectively used this new combo in PvP, it's still to early and I've yet to wait a few weeks to see if CCP will leave the Hyena before replacing my Crow with it. I pointed you to attempt to find if I ever lost a pimped frig, and good luck buddy because it never happened...
All I'm saying is that after testing, this Hyena can successfully replace my crow in the smallest gang when going against a pimped nanoship. And you are entitled to raise any aspect which doesn't fall in the realm of Mr. Obvious like "it's too expensive", since obviously price is not a matter affecting me nor the players I target.
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Phoenicia
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.13 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet
About statistics, opinions are NOT facts. 84% of the german parliament voted in favor of ******, allowing him to suspend the Constitution and turn Germany into a dictature. We all know how well all this ended do we ? There are plenty of example like this, so you can keep your statistics, I'll rather rely on my experience.
Under that same logic, let's do away with democracy altogether. And forums too. After all, people who disagree in majority are wrong, yes?
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Besides, your rapier/huginn suffers a mixed weapons system, can neither tank nor inflict consistent damage nor optimize the damage type nor dismiss range considerations like a Sacrilege. FYI, there's a Sac polycarb setup with all res over 75% where you can still permarun the MAR, MWD and a smartbomb. Get back to me the day you can do that on a rapier/huginn...
Rapier can cloak and doesnt suffer a mixed weapon system,they both go faster then a sac,they both have a ranged webbing bonus.
Its great how you conveniently left those stats out.
Not to mention the part where I paired a Kitsune with them, which eliminates the need for tanking altogether. Get back to me the day you can do that on a Hyena.
Now please, if you're gonna call people ignorant because they're unable and/or unwilling to fly your Ferrari into a tank-fight, do it with at least a hint of respect for their side of the argument.
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.13 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u Rapier can cloak and doesnt suffer a mixed weapon system,they both go faster then a sac,they both have a ranged webbing bonus.
Its great how you conveniently left those stats out.
IIRC, only Black Ops and bombers don't suffer a locking delay penalty after decloaking, rapier has less tank and DPS than a SAC, and suffers tracking issues like any gun boat. Its great how you conveniently left those stats out.
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Bellum Veritas
Minmatar Free Market Enterprizes Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.13 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet Funny how in this thread everybody focuses on speed while completely forgetting the resulting mix of abilities this Hyena achieves (speed/web/scram). Speed is only needed to speed-tank missiles & gun tracking.
Well, there's no blind like the one who doesn't want to see
QFT! Personally, as soon as the prices come down closer to the build price (you manufacturing asses), I'm grabbing one and do my ****dest to prove you right, Semkhet. The Hyena is going to be THE tackler. Mark my words. All your mods are belong to me...eventually
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Phoenicia
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.13 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet All I'm saying is that after testing, this Hyena can successfully replace my crow in the smallest gang when going against a pimped nanoship. And you are entitled to raise any aspect which doesn't fall in the realm of Mr. Obvious like "it's too expensive", since obviously price is not a matter affecting me nor the players I target.
Point taken.
This is true for all EAF's btw; they all shine in small, fast gangs. Except my 50 mil EAF can permajam your 500 mil EAF
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.12.13 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: goodby4u Rapier can cloak and doesnt suffer a mixed weapon system,they both go faster then a sac,they both have a ranged webbing bonus.
Its great how you conveniently left those stats out.
IIRC, only Black Ops and bombers don't suffer a locking delay penalty after decloaking, rapier has less tank and DPS than a SAC, and suffers tracking issues like any gun boat. Its great how you conveniently left those stats out.
Tracking?Note i do not fly these ships so i wouldnt know,but my former allience used them realigiously,infact i talk to somebody everyday that flies a huggin...But anyways if i remember correctly autos have close to the same tracking as pulse lasers(which i use)and with my absolution i can track people going atleast 5km/sec at a range of 20km...So i really doubt it will have tracking issues.
As for tank i do not see the need for a tank if you have a dual webbed sac that cannot lock due to a kitsune...Or a dualwebbed hyena that dies in a couple of shots and a sec that cannot lock whichever way you want it to go.
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.13 07:52:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenicia
Not to mention the part where I paired a Kitsune with them, which eliminates the need for tanking altogether. Get back to me the day you can do that on a Hyena.
Your Kitsune miss enough mid slots to fit MWD, disruptor and a full set of racials, hence you would rely on multispecs. If it misses a single ECM cycle it dies if the target is within weapons range, alternatively if it's far away, it can't prevent the target to warp out. It has a bigger sig radius and it will not achieve the same speed like a Hyena despite using exactly the same speed mods/rigs.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.12.13 07:58:00 -
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Edited by: goodby4u on 13/12/2007 08:00:05
Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Phoenicia
Not to mention the part where I paired a Kitsune with them, which eliminates the need for tanking altogether. Get back to me the day you can do that on a Hyena.
Your Kitsune miss enough mid slots to fit MWD, disruptor and a full set of racials, hence you would rely on multispecs. If it misses a single ECM cycle it dies if the target is within weapons range, alternatively if it's far away, it can't prevent the target to warp out. It has a bigger sig radius and it will not achieve the same speed like a Hyena despite using exactly the same speed mods/rigs.
In this scenerio the rapier has dual webs and a disruptor(as a general small gang fit)which means,your hyena dies or runs and the sac is left all alone without the ability to get into range of the kitsune or even lock...If it targets the rapier it could fire off a couple of volleys then drop out of lock again and the rapier's shield recharges.
YOU LOSE.
Oh and both the rapier and the kitsune could be t2 fitted,whereas you decided to sport faction(probably your sac friend aswell)...Not to mention the rapier(as far as i remember)is cheaper then a sac.
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.13 08:11:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Phoenicia
Not to mention the part where I paired a Kitsune with them, which eliminates the need for tanking altogether. Get back to me the day you can do that on a Hyena.
Your Kitsune miss enough mid slots to fit MWD, disruptor and a full set of racials, hence you would rely on multispecs. If it misses a single ECM cycle it dies if the target is within weapons range, alternatively if it's far away, it can't prevent the target to warp out. It has a bigger sig radius and it will not achieve the same speed like a Hyena despite using exactly the same speed mods/rigs.
In this scenerio the rapier has dual webs and a disruptor(as a general small gang fit)which means,your hyena dies or runs and the sac is left all alone without the ability to get into range of the kitsune or even lock...If it targets the rapier it could fire off a couple of volleys then drop out of lock again and the rapier's shield recharges.
YOU LOSE.
And you think that a rapier's pathetic DPS can break the tank of an all mods permarunning sacrilege ? Not to speak about the fact that nothing prevents the Hyena to warp out and in, relock & web the Kitsune, then a single volley of FoF's should pop it and the Hyena can warp out leaving the sac and rapier in 1vs1.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.12.13 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Phoenicia
Not to mention the part where I paired a Kitsune with them, which eliminates the need for tanking altogether. Get back to me the day you can do that on a Hyena.
Your Kitsune miss enough mid slots to fit MWD, disruptor and a full set of racials, hence you would rely on multispecs. If it misses a single ECM cycle it dies if the target is within weapons range, alternatively if it's far away, it can't prevent the target to warp out. It has a bigger sig radius and it will not achieve the same speed like a Hyena despite using exactly the same speed mods/rigs.
In this scenerio the rapier has dual webs and a disruptor(as a general small gang fit)which means,your hyena dies or runs and the sac is left all alone without the ability to get into range of the kitsune or even lock...If it targets the rapier it could fire off a couple of volleys then drop out of lock again and the rapier's shield recharges.
YOU LOSE.
And you think that a rapier's pathetic DPS can break the tank of an all mods permarunning sacrilege ? Not to speak about the fact that nothing prevents the Hyena to warp out and in, relock & web the Kitsune, then a single volley of FoF's should pop it and the Hyena can warp out leaving the sac and rapier in 1vs1.
First of all your hyena setup lacked high slot damage mods,and if the hyena did attempt to kill the kitsune it would most likely be dual webbed by the rapier and be pounded on by the said ship.
And if your referring to the sac using fofs,then you are either talking about heavy in which case it doesnt receive bonuses towards that,or your talking about hams( i dont know if they make ham fofs)but if thats the case they wouldnt be able to reach a kitsune.
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.13 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u First of all your hyena setup lacked high slot damage mods,and if the hyena did attempt to kill the kitsune it would most likely be dual webbed by the rapier and be pounded on by the said ship.
Not exactly. I said "high slots: whatever". If you check you will see that you can fit two standard launchers. I just did not consider this point relevant at that time in the discussion.
Originally by: goodby4u And if your referring to the sac using fofs,then you are either talking about heavy in which case it doesnt receive bonuses towards that,or your talking about hams( i dont know if they make ham fofs)but if thats the case they wouldnt be able to reach a kitsune.
I was referring to hvy F.o.F, because I prefer to have hvy + sb rather than just hams on a sacrilege. With such low hp's, a single volley of mixed EM/EX hvy FOF's + 2 standards from the Hyena might pop the Kitsune if webbed.
And btw, nice to see the thread finally evolving constructively.
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.13 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenicia
Originally by: Semkhet All I'm saying is that after testing, this Hyena can successfully replace my crow in the smallest gang when going against a pimped nanoship. And you are entitled to raise any aspect which doesn't fall in the realm of Mr. Obvious like "it's too expensive", since obviously price is not a matter affecting me nor the players I target.
Point taken.
This is true for all EAF's btw; they all shine in small, fast gangs. Except my 50 mil EAF can permajam your 500 mil EAF
How will your Kitsune permajam a Hyena considering that even with a racial, you wouldn't reach the required 21 sensor strength points ? Unless you plan to fly a Kitsune with two minnie racials, I expect that the most common setup will be 1 caldari and 2 multis.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.12.13 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 13/12/2007 08:53:59
Originally by: goodby4u First of all your hyena setup lacked high slot damage mods,and if the hyena did attempt to kill the kitsune it would most likely be dual webbed by the rapier and be pounded on by the said ship.
Not exactly. I said "high slots: whatever". If you check you will see that you can fit two standard launchers. I just did not consider this point relevant at that time in the discussion.
Originally by: goodby4u And if your referring to the sac using fofs,then you are either talking about heavy in which case it doesnt receive bonuses towards that,or your talking about hams( i dont know if they make ham fofs)but if thats the case they wouldnt be able to reach a kitsune.
I was referring to hvy F.o.F, because I prefer to have hvy + sb rather than just hams on a sacrilege. With such low hp's, a single volley of mixed EM/EX hvy FOF's + 2 standards from the Hyena might pop the Kitsune if webbed. Besides, the Sac has 3 lil drones that could be rather nasty to such a fragile frig. And if you want to nano the Kitsune, soon or later it will run out of cap while the Sac won't.
And btw, nice to see the thread finally evolving constructively.
See what i find amusing about this entire theoretical engagement is you would be able to perform just aswell without that 500mil mwd,maybe you should put a t2 one instead?
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.13 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Veritas
Originally by: Semkhet Funny how in this thread everybody focuses on speed while completely forgetting the resulting mix of abilities this Hyena achieves (speed/web/scram). Speed is only needed to speed-tank missiles & gun tracking.
Well, there's no blind like the one who doesn't want to see
QFT! Personally, as soon as the prices come down closer to the build price (you manufacturing asses), I'm grabbing one and do my ****dest to prove you right, Semkhet. The Hyena is going to be THE tackler. Mark my words.
Since you're open minded but cost is a concern, you're going to get a free Hyena in 25 hours from one of my industrial alts. You can downgrade every mod except the polycarbs and still retain an usable ship. Try to further push the speed & cap with all the cheap hardwires you can afford (CY-1, Hyper-Link, GY-1, MY-1) and use it in a gang with someone enjoying skirmish warfare 5. The biggest problem you will face is that your speed tank won't be stellar and you will experience cap issues (no permarunning without Gistii-A MWD). Avoid ships with excellent tracking like destroyers & Co. Don't use T2 launchers since T2 ammo will either bork your speed or cap recharge rate and you need both. With good navigation skills you should reach 7 Km/sec.
Something usable would look like:
highs: 2x Arbalest mids: T2 mwd, T2 web, T2 disruptor & T2 small battery lows: 2x T2 od's, 1 CPR T2 rigs: 2 polycarbs I.
And remember, it's absolutely NOT a solo boat. Good luck
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.13 09:42:00 -
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Edited by: Semkhet on 13/12/2007 09:44:41
Originally by: goodby4u
See what i find amusing about this entire theoretical engagement is you would be able to perform just aswell without that 500mil mwd,maybe you should put a t2 one instead?
You keep forgetting that the Gistii-A (actually available for 150 mil on item exchange contract in Jita and not these 500 mil I don't know where you got from) will help in many aspects, or maybe you expect me to bump into a rapier/kitsune combo at every corner in EvE ? The MWD outrun drones, missiles, gun tracking and incoming hostiles.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.12.13 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 13/12/2007 09:44:41
Originally by: goodby4u
See what i find amusing about this entire theoretical engagement is you would be able to perform just aswell without that 500mil mwd,maybe you should put a t2 one instead?
You keep forgetting that the Gistii-A (actually available for 150 mil on item exchange contract in Jita and not these 500 mil I don't know where you got from) will help in many aspects, or maybe you expect me to bump into a rapier/kitsune combo at every corner in EvE ? The MWD outrun drones, missiles, gun tracking and incoming hostiles.
But as a poster said before a t2 one would get you somewhere near 10km/sec(or something like that)which is more then enough to outrun drones,missiles etc...
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.13 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenicia
In our completely hypothetical 2v2, I would focus three of my four multispec T2 jammers on the Sac and the fourth on you while the Rapier tears your Hyena a new one. I'm fairly sure it can kill you before you can kill me, especially considering you'll have to get within it's webrange to get within firing range of me. After you die, my Rapier friend and I will give a go at breaking the Sac's tank, but as we're already ahead 500 million isk in economic damage (not to mention we're insta-rich due to loot), the battle, at that point, is won.
If a Rapier decloaks within its web range, the Hyena would warp out asap since it's the only action which would make sense, and you won't be able to prevent this due to your targeting delay penalty. It's not the Kitsune either which will achieve to scramble a frig going at 12 Km/sec. Now, if your Kitsune wants to lower the damage received by the Sac's FoFs, it will have to MWD. Hence soon or later it will run out of cap, and if does not MWD it will get damaged faster.
Besides, this also means that you plan to put the disruptor on the Rapier, what increases your cap drain, oblige you to stay within said disruptor range, and leaves you with only two free mids (after 2xwebs, disruptor and MWD I suppose). Hence you would either have to rely on an armor tank or just use a shield buffer. Here again, you would probably cap out after a few minutes and resort to warp away once you get into structure.
It would be an interesting fight indeed and I wonder if a Kitsune with 3 unbonused standard launchers + the rapier dps would achieve to break the sac's tank in any decent amount of time. Bear in mind that the Sac I'm talking about can permarun 2 MAR's... If you wish, in a few weeks after the post-Trinity chaos is settled, we could meet on SiSi and test all this.
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.13 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: Semkhet on 13/12/2007 10:44:54
Originally by: goodby4u But as a poster said before a t2 one would get you somewhere near 10km/sec(or something like that)which is more then enough to outrun drones,missiles etc...
I'm afraid not, because the Kitsune has a bigger mass and lower base velocity than the Hyena. Using a T2 MWD and OD's + polycarbs, I would say that around 8 Km/sec is a more realistic figure. It's 3 to 4 Km/sec less than the Hyena. Now that's the peak speed in straight line. Take a good 25% off as soon you orbit something. So we are talking approximately 6 Km/sec in combat conditions, while the Hyena does at least 9 Km/sec. So you would be able to speed tank to a given degree, but certainly not permanently and so well like that Hyena.
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Phoenicia
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.13 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 13/12/2007 10:44:54 I'm afraid not, because the Kitsune has a bigger mass and lower base velocity than the Hyena. Using a T2 MWD and OD's + polycarbs, I would say that around 8 Km/sec is a more realistic figure. It's 3 to 4 Km/sec less than the Hyena. Now that's the peak speed in straight line. Take a good 25% off as soon you orbit something. So we are talking approximately 6 Km/sec in combat conditions, while the Hyena does at least 9 Km/sec. So you would be able to speed tank to a given degree, but certainly not permanently and so well like that Hyena.
This is true, the Kitsune does not speedtank well; an MWD II and 2x Overdrive II (with my skills, not completely maxed), makes a bit over 3km/s. Not sure what that makes with polycarbs, I use the ECM cap reducer rigs right now.
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Semkhet
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Posted - 2007.12.13 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenicia
Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 13/12/2007 10:44:54 I'm afraid not, because the Kitsune has a bigger mass and lower base velocity than the Hyena. Using a T2 MWD and OD's + polycarbs, I would say that around 8 Km/sec is a more realistic figure. It's 3 to 4 Km/sec less than the Hyena. Now that's the peak speed in straight line. Take a good 25% off as soon you orbit something. So we are talking approximately 6 Km/sec in combat conditions, while the Hyena does at least 9 Km/sec. So you would be able to speed tank to a given degree, but certainly not permanently and so well like that Hyena.
This is true, the Kitsune does not speedtank well; an MWD II and 2x Overdrive II (with my skills, not completely maxed), makes a bit over 3km/s. Not sure what that makes with polycarbs, I use the ECM cap reducer rigs right now.
Erm.... Correction: I don't think you can go anywhere over 6 Km/sec with T2 gear without using a LG snake set. I'm so used to it I forgot to mention this.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.12.13 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 13/12/2007 10:44:54
Originally by: goodby4u But as a poster said before a t2 one would get you somewhere near 10km/sec(or something like that)which is more then enough to outrun drones,missiles etc...
I'm afraid not, because the Kitsune has a bigger mass and lower base velocity than the Hyena. Using a T2 MWD and OD's + polycarbs, I would say that around 8 Km/sec is a more realistic figure. It's 3 to 4 Km/sec less than the Hyena. Now that's the peak speed in straight line. Take a good 25% off as soon you orbit something. So we are talking approximately 6 Km/sec in combat conditions, while the Hyena does at least 9 Km/sec. So you would be able to speed tank to a given degree, but certainly not permanently and so well like that Hyena.
t2 fitted HYENA not kitsune,which is why i question the faction stuff...10km/sec is fine as i see it.
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.13 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u t2 fitted HYENA not kitsune,which is why i question the faction stuff...10km/sec is fine as i see it.
Well, if you're gonna switch the Gistii with a T2 MWD, you're not gonna hit higher than 9 Km/sec and that with a LG snake set to start with...
No way you can go at 10 Km/sec with a Hyena without using snakes and faction gear. Try it if you don't believe me. The best you can reach without snakes & faction gear is 7 Km/sec.
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Xaen
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.13 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet Hyena, stats with LG snakes (+ all speed hardwires except Shaqil)
Lows: 2x Domi OD's, PDSII Mids: Gistii-A MWD, TS web, TS disruptor, small battery II Highs: whatever Rigs: 2x polycarbs I
Can either permamwd or run all mods for 2 1/2 minutes. 12.1 Km/sec (in gang ofc). Add a Sacrilege and you get a rather nasty skirmish warfare combo.
Yeah cause speed is the only thing that matters in an interceptor...
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.12.13 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Ivanov Hehe. OP gets flamed for being right.
I've got a hyena with t2 OD's, t2 mwd, with 1 disruptor and 2 webbers.
I happen to still own my snake clone, which gave me a top speed of exactly 10km/s while flying in gang yesterday, no particular noteworthy gang skills (I think skirmish warfare 3 or something. -_-)
I don't really see the problem here. It basically is an interceptor. It gets lowered sig radius, can web at 18 km at lvl 4, has high speed. Hell, it's like my Stilleto, just slightly slower and with a much higher web range.
This thing is the best tackler in game, bar none. Fit t2 stuff on it, and it's very cheap, quick and a pain in the butt for any nano gangs. :)
This is the guy that said it,since he actually witnessed it in a gang then i believe he knows what hes talking ahout.
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.13 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Semkhet on 13/12/2007 20:55:59
Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Victor Ivanov Hehe. OP gets flamed for being right.
I've got a hyena with t2 OD's, t2 mwd, with 1 disruptor and 2 webbers.
I happen to still own my snake clone, which gave me a top speed of exactly 10km/s while flying in gang yesterday, no particular noteworthy gang skills (I think skirmish warfare 3 or something. -_-)
I don't really see the problem here. It basically is an interceptor. It gets lowered sig radius, can web at 18 km at lvl 4, has high speed. Hell, it's like my Stilleto, just slightly slower and with a much higher web range.
This thing is the best tackler in game, bar none. Fit t2 stuff on it, and it's very cheap, quick and a pain in the butt for any nano gangs. :)
This is the guy that said it,since he actually witnessed it in a gang then i believe he knows what hes talking ahout.
And maybe you should learn to read, you have the stuff right under the nose and still don't understand, excerpt:
"I happen to still own my snake clone, which gave me a top speed of exactly 10km/s while flying in gang yesterday,"
Notice words 7 & 8 : SNAKE CLONE
Without it you won't go over 7 Km/sec with a Hyena. And if you want to push from 9 Km/sec to 11 Km/sec with a snake clone, you have to switch the T2 MWD with a Gistii-A, capisci ?
Besides, what brings you to 10 & 12 Km/sec respectively is the 10% speed increase you get in gang with skirmish warfare 5.
Now FYI, while a Gistii-A MWD can be found for 150 mil, count 1.5 bil for a LG snake set.
T2 without snakes = 7 Km/sec. T2 + LG snakes = 9 Km/sec T2 + LG snakes + gang with skirmish warfare 5 = 10 Km/sec
All clear now ?
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.12.13 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 13/12/2007 20:55:59
Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Victor Ivanov Hehe. OP gets flamed for being right.
I've got a hyena with t2 OD's, t2 mwd, with 1 disruptor and 2 webbers.
I happen to still own my snake clone, which gave me a top speed of exactly 10km/s while flying in gang yesterday, no particular noteworthy gang skills (I think skirmish warfare 3 or something. -_-)
I don't really see the problem here. It basically is an interceptor. It gets lowered sig radius, can web at 18 km at lvl 4, has high speed. Hell, it's like my Stilleto, just slightly slower and with a much higher web range.
This thing is the best tackler in game, bar none. Fit t2 stuff on it, and it's very cheap, quick and a pain in the butt for any nano gangs. :)
This is the guy that said it,since he actually witnessed it in a gang then i believe he knows what hes talking ahout.
And maybe you should learn to read, you have the stuff right under the nose and still don't understand, excerpt:
"I happen to still own my snake clone, which gave me a top speed of exactly 10km/s while flying in gang yesterday,"
Notice words 7 & 8 : SNAKE CLONE
Without it you won't go over 7 Km/sec with a Hyena. And if you want to push from 9 Km/sec to 11 Km/sec with a snake clone, you have to switch the T2 MWD with a Gistii-A, capisci ?
Besides, what brings you to 10 & 12 Km/sec respectively is the 10% speed increase you get in gang with skirmish warfare 5.
Now FYI, while a Gistii-A MWD can be found for 150 mil, count 1.5 bil for a LG snake set.
T2 without snakes = 7 Km/sec. T2 + LG snakes = 9 Km/sec T2 + LG snakes + gang with skirmish warfare 5 = 10 Km/sec
All clear now ?
Oh so snakes are too expensive?They affect every and all ships you fly with those implants,whereas your gist a 1mn mwd only affects ships your will to fit with that!
Oh and btw,i guess you already have LG snakes,so if you do..This applies to you aswell.
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.13 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u Oh so snakes are too expensive?They affect every and all ships you fly with those implants,whereas your gist a 1mn mwd only affects ships your will to fit with that!
Oh and btw,i guess you already have LG snakes,so if you do..This applies to you aswell.
This is getting surrealistic. I hope it's a joke, because the very first line of this whole thread reads:
"Hyena, stats with LG snakes (+ all speed hardwires except Shaqil)"
Thx for the laugh. You can get back to me at any time with jewels of this caliber. ROFLMAO
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Lorz0r
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Posted - 2007.12.17 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Lorz0r on 17/12/2007 20:14:44 Just to bring this ridiculous post OP made into perspective I'm going to fit a Sleipnir on EFT the same way you did pretty much...
Hyena Base Price 20mil or so - Sleipnir base price about 200mil so it's 10x more
So you spent 500mil on a 20mil ship so I can spend a ridiculous amount on my Sleipnir...
Lows: 3 Domi OD's 1 Domi Nano 1 Draclira's cap relay
Meds: Cormack's Modified 100MN MWD TS Web TS Disruptor Draclira's Cap recharger Cormack's SEBO
Highs: 7x180mm AC's Faction w/e
Rigs: 2x T2 Polycarbons
Full set of Snake implants.
Oh look with an overloaded MWD I can get 30km/s or 20km/s normal for 1min 46seconds. AND I can deal 200-300 DPS at 5km-25km with 500 scan res. This is without an gang mods so this is solo.
I'd be on top of you in about 10 seconds flat, webbed and scrammed and before you know it you'd be back in Jita buying another clone then loading up EFT again to find another ridiculous fit.
Price HAS to be a factor because theres always someone bigger and better...
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VB Sarge
The Bastards
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Posted - 2007.12.17 22:53:00 -
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I've shot at Semkhet before, he was in a crow, and I was in a Stiletto, not really a fair fight if you ask me, especially when mine was T2 and he had something a bit more in his ship and pod than I did.
Either way, even though he could out run me, my gang still was able to out skill him. Granted I don't have the best connection and lagged out, more than likely causing us the crow kill. Kudos to him being able to adapt on the fly like that after making a really dumb mistake. Guess he sorta redeamed himself at that point.
Regardless, this is about the Hyena. I agree, it will be a very awesome ship and will undoubtedly make more than a handful of nanoship pilots cry, if they don't pop the hyena first. That's where I see the biggest issue. Sure, you can get the super high speeds, but all it takes is one sniper ship to give the hyena a bad day. An Interceptor can keep the Hyena scrammed past the hyena's web range, so put that into consideration as well. We can throw "in this situation" type remarks back and forth all day, but I think most of us should have enough experience to realize that ideal situations never happen. I do think that the OP fit is a bit expensive for what it was going for. Yes, more speed is rarely a bad thing, but you can still go fast enough (anything over 5k/sec imo is considered fast enough) for a LOT less and you really don't lose much in the area of performance. Even backing it down to 7-9k/sec, you'll catch most nano ships. If you don't, they'll run away, thus you win the fight anyways. If I had an absurd amount of isk to toss at a ship that loses in a lot of situations, I'd go with a very similar fit. However, the risk/reward just doesn't even out for me. I've gone 6k/sec and been on the recieving end of a perfect hit by a large weapon at close range in my interceptor, just glad he only had one weapon firing right then or else it would have been game over for me. I might live in a land of what ifs (as far as risk) most of the time, but still... Yes, I also agree that this was a failed epeen thread, that may have gone the ways of contstructive towards the end.
Without snakes, cause I'm a poor bastard, I'd set up a nano hyena with T2 gear (including mwd) and should be rocking about 5k/sec or so. As soon as I can afford one, I'll be getting one, and I'll likely fly it as often as I fly my Stiletto, which is most of the time I undock.
The kitsune, will be the other devastating eas. When prices drop and they are both viable options to middle class income players, we'll see them a lot more. And if I was hunting nano gangs, I would fit a kitsune with minmatar racials, and keep a full set of the rest in my hold. They are good counters to many situations, albeit the blackbird might still have a comparable/better performance over the kitsune, I haven't compared them much to be honest.
All in all, the Hyena wins as far as the new EAS go. I'd fit dual T2 webs, a T2 MWD, 2x OD II's, and a nano II or a third OD II to maximize speed. Polycarbs if I had the cash, none if I was fitting on a discount. It would still be fast enough (with it's extended web range) to snag any nano ship maybe sans crow, and allow the rest of my gang to send the nano pilot back to the clone vat.
Anyone ever notice how the main counter to Minmatar ships are Minmatar ships?
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ry ry
StateCorp Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.17 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 17/12/2007 23:14:54
hyenas are very good, and completely overrated.
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Monticore D'Muertos
Caldari United Society Starfleet
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Posted - 2007.12.17 23:34:00 -
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this is the set up i found to be the best tackler hyena setup
2x rockets, 1 x 200mm ac t2 med extender, web, scram, mwd mapc, od or nano
aux thrusters or poly
5km/s= even with jav rockets, might not catch everything under the sun but when you do it won't get instapopped
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