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Basileus
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Posted - 2007.12.15 10:32:00 -
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In the Ships trade channel, this character is advertising (spamming) the sale of isk for RL cash for over 40 minutes now.
I have petitioned isk selling eve-mails a number of times, and I could petition this as well, but,... what's the bleedin' point?
Why does CCP not act?
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Joe Sales
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Posted - 2007.12.15 10:36:00 -
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as CCP gets bigger they are more reluctant to give any control to the player community.
These ads could be easily stopped by allowing trusted long term traders to moderate the trade channels.
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Basileus
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Posted - 2007.12.15 10:48:00 -
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Well, he's still going strong, still spamming the channel. Are CCP on their extended coffee breaks??
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Scimon Tinker
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Posted - 2007.12.15 10:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Basileus
Well, he's still going strong, still spamming the channel. Are CCP on their extended coffee breaks??
Unfortunatly, Spamming, isk ads, forum attacks, exploits etc. will often happen at the weekend. The playerbase is at its peek and er.. CCP run a skeleton crew at weekends. (check some of the big "events" and looks at mondays responses from CCP)
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Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2007.12.15 11:28:00 -
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What's even funnier, if you get a REAL character, not a macro-made trial account, and copy the text and post it, the real character will get banned instantly. I think CCP's official stance on trial account spam is that the problem will, by default, go away after 14 days anyway.
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.12.15 11:33:00 -
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Start a new channel? WTF does CCP have to hold every players hand?
Originally by: Death Kill
Go travel or live in the rainforest if neccesary, just dont turn to religion as its a cul de sac.
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Kavol Valarius
Amarr
Unity of Honor
Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2007.12.15 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Celeste Coeval
Start a new channel? WTF does CCP have to hold every players hand?
.. and see the spammers move to the new channel in about 5 seconds flat.
Use common sense please.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.12.15 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Basileus
Well, he's still going strong, still spamming the channel. Are CCP on their extended coffee breaks??
Originally by: Basileus
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I have petitioned isk selling eve-mails a number of times, and I could petition this as well, but,... what's the bleedin' point?
Why does CCP not act?
If you haven't petitioned it, seems a bit odd to expect them to do something. Is your expectation that the GMs are omnipotent?
I can understand your frustration, but you can at least work with the tools provided to us first and then complain about the situation.
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Basileus
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Posted - 2007.12.15 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68
If you haven't petitioned it, seems a bit odd to expect them to do something. Is your expectation that the GMs are omnipotent?
I can understand your frustration, but you can at least work with the tools provided to us first and then complain about the situation.
Roy, I have petitioned on multiple occasions (as I have written above), and get the standard cut-and-paste reply from GMs. The problem of isk sellers is in my view getting worse, and so, my conclusion is that petitioning is a waste of time. CCP simply do not care, and do not act.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2007.12.15 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Basileus
Roy, I have petitioned on multiple occasions (as I have written above), and get the standard cut-and-paste reply from GMs. The problem of isk sellers is in my view getting worse, and so, my conclusion is that petitioning is a waste of time. CCP simply do not care, and do not act.
That the problem is (in your view) getting worse does not necessarily mean that (1) petitioning is a waste of time and (2) CCP does not care/act. Without petitions and CCPs actions, the problem might even worse.
=AFK=
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Basileus
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Posted - 2007.12.15 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
That the problem is (in your view) getting worse does not necessarily mean that (1) petitioning is a waste of time and (2) CCP does not care/act. Without petitions and CCPs actions, the problem might even worse.
Sure, what you say is a possibility, but it is as much subjective speculation as my claim that isk selling is getting worse despite CCP's apparent "actions".
The problem is that there is a clearly identifiable conflict of interest. If CCP would want to tackle the problem, that means banning lots of macroers too. Banning accounts = losing out on the cash. This makes no business sense. So CCP have a clear motive not to act, or, at least, not act too much on the problem. The solution lies with CCP.
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Basileus
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Posted - 2007.12.15 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Scimon Tinker
Originally by: Basileus
The playerbase is at its peek and er.. CCP run a skeleton crew at weekends. (check some of the big "events" and looks at mondays responses from CCP)
Ah, that reminds me. The German language actually has a verb for such practices. It's called "aussitzen". Freely translated it means to sit on one's arse and wait until the problem goes away on its own. Workers in Germany have practiced this to perfection.
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Growler667
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.15 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Celeste Coeval
Start a new channel? WTF does CCP have to hold every players hand?
Better question: Why should the players be holding the damn GMs' hands? Why are we doing their jobs alerting them to isk sellers, especially considering very few of them seem inclined to do anything about the issue?
CCP/GMs make so much noise about isk sellers, perhaps it's time to let them back up their words with regular actions and really moderate the game themselves instead of read a petition and press the big red "Ban" button. |
Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.12.15 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Basileus
Originally by: Roy Batty68
If you haven't petitioned it, seems a bit odd to expect them to do something. Is your expectation that the GMs are omnipotent?
I can understand your frustration, but you can at least work with the tools provided to us first and then complain about the situation.
Roy, I have petitioned on multiple occasions (as I have written above), and get the standard cut-and-paste reply from GMs. The problem of isk sellers is in my view getting worse, and so, my conclusion is that petitioning is a waste of time. CCP simply do not care, and do not act.
You said you petition eve mail spam. So do I. Takes about 1 minute. I'd imagine petitioning channel spam would take about as long. But you seem to say that you don't do that because it seems pointless.
For all we know, CCP may base a portion of their decision making on petition stats. They see a large volume of isk selling mail petitions but not so many for channel spam. This may not reflect the reality of the situation because we players are throwing in the towel a bit early.
So my point is, your position is a bit weak if you are already saying, "screw it. why bother petitioning at all?" while at the same time hollering, "why doesn't CCP act!?".
I'm not disagreeing with your sentiment. CCP should do more about isk sellers. But if you're passionate enough about the topic to make a post out of it, you should be willing to take the 1 whole minute it takes to make the petition as well.
Yes, it's a never ending flood that us players are trying to stem with a napkin. But it's the only tool we have at the moment so we should use it. If we all do it, it may get noticed by CCP more so than one complaint post in Eve-O GD.
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Basileus
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Posted - 2007.12.15 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68
You said you petition eve mail spam. So do I. Takes about 1 minute. I'd imagine petitioning channel spam would take about as long. But you seem to say that you don't do that because it seems pointless.
I petition isk selling spam in channels as well. And I do also say of this that it is pointless.
Originally by: Roy Batty68
For all we know, CCP may base a portion of their decision making on petition stats.
This would even be worse, for the reason said above: it is CCP's and the GMs job to root out the isk selling. My involvement in this is: to pay cash and in return get to play the game. This might be a completely outdated notion of my dealings with CCP though...
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The Djego
Minmatar
FORTES FORTUNA ADIUVAT CORP.
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.15 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: The Djego on 15/12/2007 13:29:47
CCP do care and act. The Problem of ISK Spamming Trail Chars is not only in the Trade channel but also in nearly ever other frequently used Channel with a direkt Link in the Channels and Mailinglists.
I petition they a lot and you get most of the time a respose in about 30-60 Minutes. The char gets banned. Also there is a filter that catch up common ISK Selling Spam Words and bann the Chars(a frind of mine got banned once as he made fun of the ISK sellers using simmlar words, but get unbanned in 3 Days after make a petition about that).
The big Probem is the ISK sellers smiply create a new Accounts, means I have to block about 4-5 Chars a day(from only one ISK selling Service) in the german Help Channel cause they spamm very agressive in her short timeframe bevor they get banned. CCP wonŠt remove the free Trail account because this will cost them lots of possible paying Customers. So in the End the only thing you can do is donŠt buy ISK and petition them as a Harrasment Petition.
Nerf Tank, boost Gank! XD
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.12.15 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kavol Valarius
Originally by: Celeste Coeval
Start a new channel? WTF does CCP have to hold every players hand?
.. and see the spammers move to the new channel in about 5 seconds flat.
Use common sense please.
Oreally? Well i've not seen any in exploration channel for ummm a year? since its inception in fact.
Originally by: Death Kill
Go travel or live in the rainforest if neccesary, just dont turn to religion as its a cul de sac.
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.12.15 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 15/12/2007 13:39:19
Originally by: Growler667
Originally by: Celeste Coeval
Start a new channel? WTF does CCP have to hold every players hand?
Better question: Why should the players be holding the damn GMs' hands? Why are we doing their jobs alerting them to isk sellers, especially considering very few of them seem inclined to do anything about the issue?
CCP/GMs make so much noise about isk sellers, perhaps it's time to let them back up their words with regular actions and really moderate the game themselves instead of read a petition and press the big red "Ban" button.
Holy War! You talk in such idiotic terms. CCP should run examinations and tests on every account fired up on trial thus limiting the interest of current and potential customers eh? Maybe 1 CCP moderator to every 100 eve players? You gonna cough up the extra money to fund the necessary resources? You obviously have in depth knowledge and vast experience running an MMO like CCP. GIVE THIS MAN A JOB! He can solve all your problems CCP with generalizations and sweeping statements.
Originally by: Death Kill
Go travel or live in the rainforest if neccesary, just dont turn to religion as its a cul de sac.
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Kavol Valarius
Amarr
Unity of Honor
Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2007.12.15 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Celeste Coeval
Oreally? Well i've not seen any in exploration channel for ummm a year? since its inception in fact.
Why on earth would they be in there anyway? It isn't a trade channel.
Alternatively, "ya rly".
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.15 14:38:00 -
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Heres what the player can do.
Right click on their portrait and select block.
Now all traffic coming from them is filtered out 
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Plum Phlogiston
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Posted - 2007.12.15 14:48:00 -
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I was in Ammold last night and an isk seller was mercilessly spamming local with his offers.... I have petitioned ccp about sellers before and they have responded quickly enough about it....
The trouble is they lack the manpower to put a total stop on the flood of spammers -all they can do is monitor the situation and resond to petitions when they are filed (unless a GM happens to be in said system/other channel at the time and can insta-ban -but that is a rare thing as it is).
The GM's stopping the isk spammers is analagous to the little dutch boy plugging the dyke in that famous story -with few numbers to put a total stop to the problem all that can be done is to slow the advance, not stop it altogether.
Problem is that the only solution is to employ more GM's which equates to greater outlay for ccp which equates to higher subs for the player community -and i imagine ccp wish to keep the cost of this game as low as possible for us to play while still paying their staff and turning some sort of profit from it.
Sadly with a higher public profile, some shady profiteers in the wider internet are going to flock here to try and sell us stuff -it's the way of things unfortunately 
So all we can do is keep petitioning and hope they keep up with the backlog... A solution may be to add an 'ISK SPAMMING' category to the petition system where all you need to do is enter the character name and c&p the text of their message into the petition and rank this as high a priority as f/ex mission bugs/gameplay issues...
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Alex Terman
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.12.15 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68
Is your expectation that the GMs are omnipotent?
Wait, they're not? 
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Bon Hedus
Amarr
O.E.C
Legionnaire Services Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.12.15 15:25:00 -
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File a petition under "rules & Policies" and then under "harassment." Copy paste the text of the spam, add the name of the spamming character, 2 minutes later, get a reply to petition. Mark in your bio the number of spammers you have gotten banned...
If each person that sees a spammer doing this, their numbers would decrease drastically, as we the regular players outnumber them by a large margin.
Don't put up with their shenanigans and take back your trade channels, as well as your game. Get them banned as soon as they start their spammage.
I am up to 5 between me and my alt. That list is gonna grow quite a bit.
Bon
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.12.15 15:27:00 -
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Honestly, anyone that thinks that macroers pay for their accounts with real money is insane.
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Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2007.12.17 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Honestly, anyone that thinks that macroers pay for their accounts with real money is insane.
Which means that people who buy GTC to sell for ISK are paying the real dollars required for the macro miners to undercut the so called legit GTC sell value. As CCP have a double-negation policy when they find illegal isk buyers, then it should logically be applied to those who get dirty isk from a farmer when selling those GTCs.
That would cause enough headache for people to start realising why CCP can't take anything more than a token action against farmers, since it would nerf GTC4ISK by a huge margin, and they're not prepared to take that.
Oveur wants a new yacht, and he's going to get it at any cost.
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Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.17 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Honestly, anyone that thinks that macroers pay for their accounts with real money is insane.
for farmers ISK equals real money so whether they pay with ISK or cash it makes no difference to them
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.12.17 12:09:00 -
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If you petition it in the harrassment category the GMs will deal with it once they get to your petition. 
Wrangler
Community Manager
CCP Games, EVE Online
Email / Netfang
"The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it." |
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Karr Meyn
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Posted - 2007.12.17 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Basileus
Are CCP on their extended coffee breaks??
Beer brakes actually
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RedLion
Caldari
Caldari Navy II
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Posted - 2007.12.17 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you petition it in the harrassment category the GMs will deal with it once they get to your petition.
I haven't petitioned much, so I don't know the estimated times on petitions now, however last time I did, it took several days. Should every spammer get to spam in several days before action is taken? I mean, he don't even need to do the effort of reregistering a new trial account... (except after 10 days).
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BIG
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.12.17 12:22:00 -
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the harrasement petitions get seen to within minutes - well they have when I have petitioned isk sellers in public channels
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