I, for one, welcome our new macro-killing overlords.

The hardest part about this job is seeking out the macro'ers and sorting them from the genuine hard working mission runners.

Out of sheer curiosity, how can you tell bot from genuine player?

And how do you kill them without being Concorded (assuming you avoided this fate, as loosing Legion pro publico bono seems too charitable to be true)?

it is a trick we use, very simple really just one key thing that seems to make it work but i'm not going to disclose it. more of a psychological thing than anything else.

macro programs can be set up as complex as the player wants, they can even change ship get in a noctis go salvage then get a new mission < i'm not 100% on this it seems unrealistic but im surprised at what the bots can do anyway.

Bots that are complex enough to be vulnerable to psychological warfare? Now that sound intriguing.

it is a trick we use, very simple really just one key thing that seems to make it work but i'm not going to disclose it. more of a psychological thing than anything else. definitely not going to get my 1.5bil legion concordonked lol :P

as far as telling who is a bot, that is really hard, i have spent hours watching the mission hubs. there are a few key things i have discovered though.
1. ship type, mostly they will be in CN ravens, golems, macherials or tengu's. my guess is this is because of range, cap and shield boosting (can get crystals for huge tanks).
2. hours they spend online, sometimes i see them online no matter what time i log in to check, no human can mission run for <23hrs straight.
3. consistent pattern, they dock for exactly the same length of time at the same station every time, no pauses or breaks in their pattern.
4. ship names, corp names, player names etc. pay close attention to these details. for example, the corp the macherial pilot was in had about 5 members each member except the ceo all running in macherials with nearly the exact same fit for hours on end and each ship was REnamed to the first word in the players name + macherial i.e. 'angus macherial' this was a clue that they are all the same player separate accounts.
5. this is an odd one and i havnt yet figured out exactly what is going on here but... they sometimes will have shield maintenance bots out, and then sometimes said bot will be abandoned (i think). our best guess is if drones take damage then the program can release a maintenance bot to keep it alive, since you need that set of drones for up to 23 hours.
6. invite to conversation while they are in mission, if in mission not afk and SHOULD accept convo. if not accepted or auto rejected probably a bot.
7. some players are just called akjshas in akjshas corporation with corp description of 'enter a description of your corporation here' (as in, random mash names with no effort put into corp). unfortunately these one man corps are a waste of time so far, probably bots but maybe just farmers, and they scare too easily.

macro programs can be set up as complex as the player wants, they can even change ship get in a noctis go salvage then get a new mission < i'm not 100% on this it seems unrealistic but im surprised at what the bots can do anyway.

it is a trick we use, very simple really just one key thing that seems to make it work but i'm not going to disclose it. more of a psychological thing than anything else. definitely not going to get my 1.5bil legion concordonked lol :P

as far as telling who is a bot, that is really hard, i have spent hours watching the mission hubs. there are a few key things i have discovered though.
1. ship type, mostly they will be in CN ravens, golems, macherials or tengu's. my guess is this is because of range, cap and shield boosting (can get crystals for huge tanks).

3. consistent pattern, they dock for exactly the same length of time at the same station every time, no pauses or breaks in their pattern.

6. invite to conversation while they are in mission, if in mission not afk and SHOULD accept convo. if not accepted or auto rejected probably a bot.


macro programs can be set up as complex as the player wants, they can even change ship get in a noctis go salvage then get a new mission < i'm not 100% on this it seems unrealistic but im surprised at what the bots can do anyway.

you are ... yeah you are total idiot

1 any normail brain functional team of pleyers will use same ship same fit to run missions wonder if you can understend why.

3 is called dual boxing (google it) you may lern something while you fail at EvE

6 try to mail or inv me to convo LOL yeah am confirmed bot, btw this is bot i made to post on forums.

If you took time to serach (like you say you did) you will realyze there is no mission bots, only for minning NPC rating in belts and market trading.

I tried to save you from been dumb but in my opinion you are far far past that status.

1,2,3,5 (partly, I forget sometimes my drones simply), 6 would fit to myself sometimes. And last I have checked I was no bot ... nor anyone in my corp.

Mach, Tengu, etc should be normal for mission runners, they all have to money for shinny ships, and all have the need to make more isk so they need shinny ships. Optimal fittings for those ships are similar, so they should fit all similar and last but not least can a 23 hour run from time to time be very healthy and confirm that you are still alive ... even when you feel after this kind grind not alive anymore :D

Still, more power to you, any dead bot is healthy. While you are at it, please gank a few hulks as well. Will you?

In the off chance that you make a mistake what recourse does the victim have? I assume it would be something along the lines of 'sucks to be you'. Yet, I would like to hear your thoughts on the possibility. If this has already been covered and I missed then im sorry for wasting your time.

In the off chance that you make a mistake what recourse does the victim have? I assume it would be something along the lines of 'sucks to be you'. Yet, I would like to hear your thoughts on the possibility. If this has already been covered and I missed then im sorry for wasting your time.

I take it a properly set up bot but won't agress you when you loot their wrecks and they'll jump corps if you dec them. Anything you aren't telling us?

Just FYI every single CNR pilot is a bot..

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Thankyou and if I find a way to kill hulks without losing sec status I will, though I think I'll just leave that to the hulkageddon crew.

"You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."

Mission bots are quite common in my line of work.

usually just bump them them out of align and let the rats pop them.
pretty much confirms bot status, because if you do it to anyone, they will ***** in local at you or PM you with a please stop message.

you can figure out what mission it is and hit wave trigger ships, more DPS, makes it quicker/easier.

I like where you're trying to go with this, but...




A com-bot isn't going to clear that L4 mission *FASTER* than a real player.
A mine-bot isn't going to fill its cargo hold with ore *FASTER* than a real player.


Nothing about *typical* macros or bot-scripts "facilitate[s] acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."

Devil's Advocate: Its not the bot user's fault that you choose to work|school|sleep and not to be in-game 23/7. Don't punish them for your lack of dedication.


That said, if you happen to run across a botter, I have absolutely nothing against lighting that bastard up.

By the way, do these botting corps tend to have offices in the systems where they usually get missions from?

However I doubt there are very many bots running missions too many random problems to over come.

I like where you're trying to go with this, but...




A com-bot isn't going to clear that L4 mission *FASTER* than a real player.
A mine-bot isn't going to fill its cargo hold with ore *FASTER* than a real player.


Nothing about *typical* macros or bot-scripts "facilitate[s] acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."

Devil's Advocate: Its not the bot user's fault that you choose to work|school|sleep and not to be in-game 23/7. Don't punish them for your lack of dedication.


That said, if you happen to run across a botter, I have absolutely nothing against lighting that bastard up.

Great discussion.

I've often wondered if sometimes what we are calling "bots" aren't necessarily a coded bot, but perhaps a person "taking a shift" at a client workstation. Perhaps in a 3rd world country. A human "bot" if you will. Cory Doctorow wrote about this in his book "For the Win". My daughter finished reading this a while ago, and the discussion on bots reminded me of this.

All in all, I think "bot's" whether coded as macro's or several people ensuring the same toon is always mining/mish running is certainly not acceptable.

If I run across any "bots" I will EVE mail you in game.

Radax

I applaud any attempt to remove RMT and bots from mission hubs.
Also, false positives? Highsec isn't 'safe'. It never pretended to be 'safe'. Mission runners need to be shaken out of their grind for a bit.
Grind missions for ISK, spend ISK on PLEX and shiny ships, all to run more missions... It's too much like a job by my thinking.

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Nothing about *typical* macros or bot-scripts "facilitate[s] acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."

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Hi,

i have cleaned this thread. Please do not link, name or otherwise give out Bot programms on the forums.

it is a trick we use, very simple really just one key thing that seems to make it work but i'm not going to disclose it. more of a psychological thing than anything else. definitely not going to get my 1.5bil legion concordonked lol :P

as far as telling who is a bot, that is really hard, i have spent hours watching the mission hubs. there are a few key things i have discovered though.
1. ship type, mostly they will be in CN ravens, golems, macherials or tengu's. my guess is this is because of range, cap and shield boosting (can get crystals for huge tanks).
2. hours they spend online, sometimes i see them online no matter what time i log in to check, no human can mission run for <23hrs straight.
3. consistent pattern, they dock for exactly the same length of time at the same station every time, no pauses or breaks in their pattern.
4. ship names, corp names, player names etc. pay close attention to these details. for example, the corp the macherial pilot was in had about 5 members each member except the ceo all running in macherials with nearly the exact same fit for hours on end and each ship was REnamed to the first word in the players name + macherial i.e. 'angus macherial' this was a clue that they are all the same player separate accounts.
5. this is an odd one and i havnt yet figured out exactly what is going on here but... they sometimes will have shield maintenance bots out, and then sometimes said bot will be abandoned (i think). our best guess is if drones take damage then the program can release a maintenance bot to keep it alive, since you need that set of drones for up to 23 hours.
6. invite to conversation while they are in mission, if in mission not afk and SHOULD accept convo. if not accepted or auto rejected probably a bot.
7. some players are just called akjshas in akjshas corporation with corp description of 'enter a description of your corporation here' (as in, random mash names with no effort put into corp). unfortunately these one man corps are a waste of time so far, probably bots but maybe just farmers, and they scare too easily.

macro programs can be set up as complex as the player wants, they can even change ship get in a noctis go salvage then get a new mission < i'm not 100% on this it seems unrealistic but im surprised at what the bots can do anyway.

This isn't true at all, I always decline convos, especially if I'm in a mission. Unless it's someone I know.

so what you're trying to say is that because YOU decline convos NONE of the above could possibly be true in identifying bots... is that right?

This is what YOU said.

"invite to conversation while they are in mission, if in mission not afk and SHOULD accept convo. if not accepted or auto rejected probably a bot."

So no, it's not true. Since I am not a bot and I decline them.

see the word 'probably'? probably means that no answer to convo is indicative of a bot not definitive. these are meant to be clues not conclusions... did this REALLY need to be explained?

You are making assumptions that anyone who doesn't answer a convo, is a bot. Probably means that it is "likely" to be a bot, that one presumes that it is a bot. This, as I've told you, along with many others. Is not the case. The word you are looking for is "could be" or "might be". You might be a bot. Or, should I say you are probably a bot?

I didn't read the replies at first and I was going to say I am not the exception to EvE, now I have read the replies, it's clear as day that I am not the exception, so in that regards, it is NOT probable that they are bots at all.

I have absolutely nothing against anyone ganking a bot, but the fact you try to tarnish regular people with nothing but mere assumptions says that your original post isn't even close to being on the mark.

If you're representative in any way of "regular people" or the carebear community then I am very happy to have tarnished you, I guess I just can't help but make carebears mad, it just happens even by accident. What is it about mission grinding that makes you so uptight? After so many years of griefing little bears like yourself I try to give something back but this is the thanks I get? All you do is whinge and whine, just shut the **** up and play the game ffs LOL.
What-ever you say it doesn't matter it has already pre-emptively buffed out in advance, please excuse me while I roll around in the billions of isk I made from shiny carebear drops whilst supping on your mad tears.

I didn't start this thread to argue with anyone and especially with someone like yourself.

So, whatever you just said, you win, congratulations +1 internets to you. Moving on.

Just curious why your kills are not API verified. As being a mission runner and a pvp'er I'm a little skeptical of your kills