The noobies are not useful to his corp/alliance for the gangs they want to fly. So when he says liability he means they aren't going to fit in well with the rest of the guys they fly with because they don't have the SP's to fly in those gangs and will typically be the guy getting caught on a gate and killed, which can sometimes drag more guys trying to save them down as well.

So, really, what he is saying is that the leetpeeveepee:ers are a liability, not the newbies. They're the ones who can't take this fresh mind and mould it into something useful; they're the ones who stupidly get themselves killed when they should know better; and they're the ones who can't stop blaming others for their own failure.

All a nub needs to get started in 0.0 is a rifter, a MWD, a warp disrupt0r and a salvager.

from our free frigate program(now with Destroyers too),

One of the biggest obstacles that new players face in contributing to a 0.0 fleet, is that the least skill point intensive roles in a fleet (scouting, dictoring, ect...) are some of the most critical and pilot skill demanding.

I don't see why there is so much hate toward his comment.

You can't blame anyone for doing things the way they want to do them or flying how they like to fly.

I understand what you're asking, but the quoted section above sent warning bells off in my mind.

There are no corps I am aware of, in Empire, Lowsec, or Null, which will provide you ships and modules, freeing you from ever having to generate isk. Every serious corporation I have ever seen requires their pilots to be self-sufficient to some degree.

EDIT: NM... you addressed this point before I could post. I misunderstood.

I was with you right up until the moment you made it out that being able to log in for five minutes and shoot stuff would be a bad thing and compare it to something like World of Tanks. There's a reason why counter-strike and games like it have still been going strong after ten years.

Hell my corp loves nubbies. Almost all of my core members joined at one point or another as nubs and grew into solid dependable pilots as they took over regular roles in fleets and one of them regularly FCs our roams. Honestly I think two or three of them are better at eve than I am and they have been playing less than half the time I have. In my opinion what you really need to find is a small to mid sized PvP corp to learn the ropes and if you find you still want to go to the blob after that move on. But if you can get a few months of a small PvP corp on your record and get your K/D established you can usually hop into a larger nullsec corp from there without too much trouble. Also if you can find them look into NPC 0.0 dwellers. You get to learn how to live in null without many of the requirements of the big power blocks. Most corps living out there move ships into their AO using carriers making the 20+ jumps through nullsec shortened down to suicide podding yourself out there to meet your ships at the other end. Don't be discouraged newbies there are plenty of opportunities out there just have to find them!

And again, to the best of my knoweldge, both groups find members through their own private communities rather than the new player population in general. I realize this is most likely due to the issue of spies.

So the question remains burning in my mind: Am I looking for a unicorn here? Are all the universally helpful alliances either training corps or private shops? Is there a publicly recruiting alliance that has ship replacement and other essentials necessary to keeping a lowly newb such as myself flying in fleets rather than continuously worrying about how and where he'll buy his next rifter?

There's a reason why counter-strike and games like it have still been going strong after ten years.

SWA is public but it requires you to have a new Caldari character. Either way I am very busy increasing staffing now.

I do receive large alliance donations time to time to issue out free ships I offer a great deal of pvp training both theory and actual and currently in the process of flight enable training additional Fleet Commanders.

We don't do alliance politics, we donGÇÖt have corp. squabbling beyond me ramming my boot up a rook so far, he starts to taste leather.

No obligations, No alarm clock ops, No body stealing your entire hanger bays, lowest skill requirements ever, rook friendly, publications for self study, leave granted, nobody can kick you out either.

The worst thing that can happen is you showing up to one of my operations and I order the fleet to primary you but it takes a lot of bad marks for me to order that.

or either that you self learn a lesson and we all point and laugh as you earn rook of the day award.

-Vix

and I've heard that Pandemic Legion keeps its members rolling in whatever PvP ships they might need.

My corp recently adopted a newbie. The completely absurd questions are adorable.