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Minariel Gallente Criminal Investigation Division	Posted - 2007.12.17 19:30:00 - [1] Amnesia is running rampant in Eve - lay off the boosters people!! KOS û Knights of the Southern Cross, once reigned over the south next to LV. They squandered everything through incompetence and ignorance. When the going got tough in Wicked Creek in their last stronghold, no orders or direction came from leadership; they left our players out in the cold. To make matters worse, they napped Goons/RA/TCF so they could take their precious loot with them. Instead of joining their mutual allies, the GBC, they went back to empire, cut a deal with their enemies so they could get their stuff out of the stations, and returned as full traitors. Good and loyal players like Rhang, the remaing FC, was left to operate in the dark, and did all he could to help members get out of Wicked Creek, but the leadership was a no show, and those same leaders still in their seats on the KOS throne. How is it that they are the second largest alliance at the moment? Because you didnÆt know how terrible they really are. They only reason they have anything at the moment is because they are traitors in their hearts, and are taking you, their membership for fools. Ask your corp why you are following such incompetence, mismanagement, and continuing to support an alliance utterly bankrupt of principles. Then vote with your feet, and exit stage KOS.
DaiTengu Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.17 19:31:00 - [2] and the BoB propaganda machine manages to lay another brick.
Duke Grail DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.17 19:32:00 - [3] you are the worst bob alt Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Frederick Skinner GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.17 19:33:00 - [4] Is it too impolite to snicker and giggle at this point? 'cause, ya know, really Filter us out all you want, it still won't change the truth.
YouDidWHAT Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.17 19:33:00 - [5] Originally by: Minariel Amnesia is running rampant in Eve - lay off the boosters people!! KOS û Knights of the Southern Cross, once reigned over the south next to LV. They squandered everything through incompetence and ignorance. When the going got tough in Wicked Creek in their last stronghold, no orders or direction came from leadership; they left our players out in the cold. To make matters worse, they napped Goons/RA/TCF so they could take their precious loot with them. Instead of joining their mutual allies, the GBC, they went back to empire, cut a deal with their enemies so they could get their stuff out of the stations, and returned as full traitors. Good and loyal players like Rhang, the remaing FC, was left to operate in the dark, and did all he could to help members get out of Wicked Creek, but the leadership was a no show, and those same leaders still in their seats on the KOS throne. How is it that they are the second largest alliance at the moment? Because you didnÆt know how terrible they really are. They only reason they have anything at the moment is because they are traitors in their hearts, and are taking you, their membership for fools. Ask your corp why you are following such incompetence, mismanagement, and continuing to support an alliance utterly bankrupt of principles. Then vote with your feet, and exit stage KOS. you dont seem to understand that since you and your buddies are losing everything, nothing you say matters to anyone only us victors write da histories
Julian Shran Amarr Crimson Star Empire FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.17 19:35:00 - [6] What is he talking about? I think BoB is losing and wonder what this post serves...
DaiTengu Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.17 19:35:00 - [7] Originally by: YouDidWHAT you dont seem to understand that since you and your buddies are losing everything, nothing you say matters to anyone only us victors write da histories This Book Belongs to: Mittens 2007 - 2008
Cvuos GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.17 19:35:00 - [8] What happened to the good BoB propaganda alts? Were they all run by dbp and dianabolic? Who? You know, the dbp and dianabolic that voted with their feet and exited stage BoB.
Helen Eve Innovative Technologies	Posted - 2007.12.17 19:37:00 - [9] Probably because everyone and their mother has a alt in KOS at the moment. First pod pilot to lose a Mothership in EvE... err woo
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.12.17 19:38:00 - [10] Originally by: Cvuos What happened to the good BoB propaganda alts? Were they all run by dbp and dianabolic? Who? You know, the dbp and dianabolic that voted with their feet and exited stage BoB. DBP's alts were never good. ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."

Norse Maniac Kachanov Militia	Posted - 2007.12.17 19:39:00 - [11] because KOS accepts anything and anyone. They have half decent space, and until bob dies or some major standings reset happens in the south KOS is relatively safe from attack.
Shoukei Caldari Boobs Ahoy	Posted - 2007.12.17 19:39:00 - [12] its the farmers. KOS consists of farmers and few legit players to hide the farmers. here be signatures!
Minariel Gallente Criminal Investigation Division	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:14:00 - [13] Now, this is the first explanation that I fully understand. Goonunism runs amuck, give away free space to the isk farmers, and they squirt out...KOS. Originally by: Shoukei its the farmers. KOS consists of farmers and few legit players to hide the farmers. I am not a BoB alt...goondiots.
Blafbeest Gallente North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:17:00 - [14] ur so right, now stop posting old news
Jonathan Peterbilt Caldari Damage Unlimited Inc Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:20:00 - [15] People need nice and safe carebear alliance to join with one of the alts and make some ISK. What is so strange about it?
Utterson Chaotic Breed	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:21:00 - [16] Hey mittens brosef, how is it being an internet spaceship king....do you tell your buddies in RL about your accomplishments as a space lord ? Mittani .... who ?
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:22:00 - [17] wouldnt the time to bring this up have been like a year ago?
Ecid Q'Wulf Caldari Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:23:00 - [18] Edited by: Ecid Q''Wulf on 17/12/2007 20:28:26 Originally by: Minariel [...] How is it that they are the second largest alliance at the moment? [...] I have a thesis about this (your) problem. There are people who see everything in black and white, or Klerus, Bourgeoisie and plebs. And then there are those on the other side of your fence, they are called Knights of the Southern Cross Alliance, and find it quite funny that you praise the glory of a so called "FC" - RHANG - who stepped his alliance in the back, sided with their enemies of that time (LV/-V-), then joined ISS, lost C3- Station with em. joined RISE, tried to poss up KW-, lost it, and now, after beeing evicted for the 3rd or forth time is a recent member of the MC? We all know what Rhang did, some blame him, some dont, most can care less. In any case, Welcome back after your almost 1 year and 7 month absence of alt posting, we didn't even notice you where gone. Havent you learned anything during your 44 days in shinra ? Originally by: Dramaticus wouldnt the time to bring this up have been like a year ago? It would have been, but he was probably to busy with his main then and just recently lost space again that big time that he has to recoup from apaathy, amnesia and bad taste, so he has some more time trolling his alt and decided to take his little blackbook and post about all the things he wanted to talk about since he started playing his main more seriously. -Ecid ________ One like many, exactly like everyone else.
Blafbeest Gallente North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:30:00 - [19] Originally by: Ecid Q'Wulf Edited by: Ecid Q''Wulf on 17/12/2007 20:26:10 Edited by: Ecid Q''Wulf on 17/12/2007 20:24:41 Originally by: Minariel [...] How is it that they are the second largest alliance at the moment? [...] -Ecid ur post is even worse then the op's post atleast he had more truth in it...
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:31:00 - [20] Originally by: DaiTengu and the BoB propaganda machine manages to lay another brick. More like sh*t a brick...

SunglassesInSpace GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:33:00 - [21] i think this should be called panic posting
Louis Lane Minmatar Imperium Holding corp	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:34:00 - [22] Edited by: Louis Lane on 17/12/2007 20:34:17 wow look at the bob propaganda machine spew fud right out of the misdirection propaganda manual. you guys are getting more pathetic by the day. do you honestly think that by naming other alliances the war machine will suddenly drop everything to go after a target one of your propaganda alts deemed more threatening? pretty sad tbh
OozoO Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:35:00 - [23] I can make shiny sigs btw Do not discuss moderator actions or troll in your sig. -Kaemonn Email if you understand and your sig will be unlocked.([email protected])
Louis Lane Minmatar Imperium Holding corp	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:36:00 - [24] Originally by: Utterson Hey mittens brosef, how is it being an internet spaceship king....do you tell your buddies in RL about your accomplishments as a space lord ? im sure molle shares his conquests down at the repair shop too mr bob alt.
Junkie Beverage GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Minariel To make matters worse, they napped Goons/RA/TCF so they could take their precious loot with them. Instead of joining their mutual allies, the GBC, they went back to empire, cut a deal with their enemies so they could get their stuff out of the stations, and returned as full traitors. you are an idiot lv and bob used to dislike each other because they both though they were the be all end all pvp alliance but in the end they both die embarrassingly
Maj'k Lootar Trinity Corp	Posted - 2007.12.17 21:42:00 - [26] Edited by: Maj''k Lootar on 17/12/2007 21:46:25 Originally by: Duke Grail you are the worst bob alt it wouldnt surprise me if he was a goon. edit: yah after looking at the thread list... this idiot has 3 aweful "im a bob alt thread"s in the last day and most of them have mittens quick response team all over them. so i would call him a goon before i called him a bobit. not that there is a difference these days.
6Bagheera9 Slacker Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2007.12.17 21:53:00 - [27] KOS has always been full of fail, if you hate BoB join the Goons or better yet Pandemic Legion.
Hrin Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.17 22:12:00 - [28] Originally by: 6Bagheera9 KOS has always been full of fail, if you hate BoB join the Goons or better yet Pandemic Legion. No no no no. You join Goons first, then you slowly burn out until you hate goons, and then you finally join pandemic legion. Pandemic legion is for people who hate goons, but want to keep their forum account.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.17 22:41:00 - [29] Originally by: Minariel Instead of joining their mutual allies, the GBC, they went back to empire, cut a deal with their enemies so they could get their stuff out of the stations, and returned as full traitors. Wouldn't that put them on equal footing with a large percentage of the bob membership base, who are essentially spoils of war from destroyed alliances? At least KOS has remained their own separate entity rather than being assimilated by the forces that destroyed them.
Vahl Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.17 23:01:00 - [30] Considering that there was no GBC until long after KOS was left to die by their coalition mates this post is stupid. If memory serves me correctly LV didn't even consider BoB friendly at the time. _________________________________________________________ ==REDSWARM FEDERATION== ...because we hate your f**king guts.

Ecid Q'Wulf Caldari Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.17 23:08:00 - [31] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Minariel [...] [...] At least KOS has remained their own separate entity rather than being assimilated by the forces that destroyed them. ________ One like many, exactly like everyone else.
Boom ChickaBoom Caldari Friendly Pod Poppers	Posted - 2007.12.17 23:15:00 - [32] It is possible that all the carebears from M.pire, frege and youwhat all merged into KOS to become a massive carebear alliance but i realy dunno.
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.17 23:20:00 - [33] Originally by: Ecid Q'Wulf Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Minariel [...] [...] At least KOS has remained their own separate entity rather than being assimilated by the forces that destroyed them. Dammit i wanted to be the first KOS to answer in a kos smacking thread. Quick somone make a joke about people in ravens. Oooo i know how about we talk about stuff that happened a long time ago and manage to completely get the story wrong?
CARY Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.17 23:32:00 - [34] BOB BS MACHINE IS FAST AT WORK HERE...........It getting a little old with BOB and its pets flooding the forum with idle BS, but I say to you instead of posting on the forum, you can just back up your words and BRING IT!!. CARY
YouDidWHAT Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.17 23:34:00 - [35] Originally by: CARY BOB BS MACHINE IS FAST AT WORK HERE...........It getting a little old with BOB and its pets flooding the forum with idle BS, but I say to you instead of posting on the forum, you can just back up your words and BRING IT!!. CARY you should mayhaps consider a unilateral cessation of your forum posting, good sirrah pish posh
Dez Affinity Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.17 23:36:00 - [36] Originally by: CARY BOB BS MACHINE IS FAST AT WORK HERE...........It getting a little old with BOB and its pets flooding the forum with idle BS, but I say to you instead of posting on the forum, you can just back up your words and BRING IT!!. CARY Irony ITT. Also RAVENS AND STUFF. amidointhisrite? _______________
Ecid Q'Wulf Caldari Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.17 23:39:00 - [37] Edited by: Ecid Q''Wulf on 17/12/2007 23:40:04 Originally by: Firkragg Quick somone make a joke about people in ravens. Q: Whats a KOS-Player in a Raven? A: ISK-Farmer! Originally by: Firkragg Oooo i know how about we talk about stuff that happened a long time ago and manage to completely get the story wrong? Happened already, so nothing to see here nemore. (-*-=+ - damnit) -Ecid ________ One like many, exactly like everyone else.
Tumbles Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.17 23:42:00 - [38] Originally by: Minariel Amnesia is running rampant in Eve - lay off the boosters people!! KOS û Knights of the Southern Cross, once reigned over the south next to LV. They squandered everything through incompetence and ignorance. When the going got tough in Wicked Creek in their last stronghold, no orders or direction came from leadership; they left our players out in the cold. To make matters worse, they napped Goons/RA/TCF so they could take their precious loot with them. Instead of joining their mutual allies, the GBC, they went back to empire, cut a deal with their enemies so they could get their stuff out of the stations, and returned as full traitors. 1. We did not move to empire 2. RA etc NAPed with us AFTER LV and V war deced us. (i.e. we surrendered and they let us withdraw) while our "Allied shot the **oo out of us. 3. When we returned to WC it was used as a staging point for taking our new home. Strong in the conviction that we would now fight against those that betrayed us when we were defeated.(assets were removed under heavy fire from V/LV during the evacuation) Originally by:** Minariel Good and loyal players like Rhang, the remaing FC, was left to operate in the dark, and did all he could to help members get out of Wicked Creek, but the leadership was a no show, and those same leaders still in their seats on the KOS throne. Rhang and I are still friends. We shoot each other from time to time. But he did not have the best interests of KOS in mind when he took the course that he did. Originally by: Minariel How is it that they are the second largest alliance at the moment? Because you didnÆt know how terrible they really are. They only reason they have anything at the moment is because they are traitors in their hearts, and are taking you, their membership for fools. Ask your corp why you are following such incompetence, mismanagement, and continuing to support an alliance utterly bankrupt of principles. An alliance is only as good and as loyal as its members. I for one am happy in KOS, even with all its challenges. To me is sounds like you are bitter over something. Would your like to meet in Jita and we can maybe talk about it. Cup of coffee maybe. It would be ok if u needed a shoulder to cry on. Go ahead and let it out, you will fell better in the end. - Tumbles BTW thanks for letting us know that we are doing something right by being all mad at us and stuff.
Khirzan Wolfson The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.17 23:43:00 - [39] I R FARM!!! YARRR GIVE ME ISK! Rhang the last "fc" LOL....he was a nub then who got big ego cuz we gave him a shot...all he did was broker deals for sections of KOS to join LV/V and then stole a ton of stuff from KOS Pos's. Sounds like an "A" class feller....loyalty means that you stick with someone thru better or worse....Rhang obviously showed no loyalty by jumping ship and working against KOS interests. "and those same leaders still in their seats on the KOS throne" - your information is incorrect....KOS runs 100% differently than it did in WC. anyways im tired of this topic coming up every few months. Knock us all you want, but we are still here...choo muthaF'in choo!!! shoutouts to all those who fly with and recognize the worth in KOS. Respek! -Khirzan Wolfson Co-Ceo,The Taining Corp -Corp Public Channel = The T Public -Alliance Public = kos-public
Snowden Vel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.17 23:58:00 - [40] This whole "WITNESS THE FATE OF TRAITORS" song and dance would be a lot more effective if KOS weren't sitting pretty with a bunch of new space and flush with members while the GBC is collapsing in a flurry of bitter alt posts.

rgreat Gallente OEG Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.18 01:34:00 - [41] So, KOS are decent enough to be alive in the middle of 0.0. P.S. It was fun fighting with you several years ago. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Khirzan Wolfson The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.18 01:45:00 - [42] PS - its also nice to have allies that care about you and not use you as a borderland meatshield and leave you out to dry....YARRR
James Snowscoran Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.18 02:36:00 - [43] Edited by: James Snowscoran on 18/12/2007 02:38:27 removed, I forgot I'm in an NPC corp now -----
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2007.12.18 02:42:00 - [44] Unfortunately I can confirm that this particular idiot is not a BoB alt, but is in fact a bitter ex-LV pilot who thinks his opinion is worth more than the sum of an entire alliance.
Hannah Forlong Custodes Valhallae	Posted - 2007.12.18 02:51:00 - [45] Funny quotes from KOSBosses channel: Originally by: demogod [ 2006.07.20 00:28:57 ] demogod > we are going to kill off ra one's and for all [ 2006.10.20 21:35:43 ] demogod > I was hopping the off line towers was ra's lol [ 2006.10.22 22:08:46 ] demogod > can some one mail me a corp list of kos corps
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2007.12.18 03:15:00 - [46] Originally by: Dez Affinity Originally by: CARY BOB BS MACHINE IS FAST AT WORK HERE...........It getting a little old with BOB and its pets flooding the forum with idle BS, but I say to you instead of posting on the forum, you can just back up your words and BRING IT!!. CARY Irony ITT. Also RAVENS AND STUFF. amidointhisrite? Eventually smashkill will die, just like all alliances, I just really hope Cary isnt around to spam the forums about it, for everyones sake. A lot of KOS membership probably didn't know the full extent of the farming (most farmers are stationed a long long long way from KOS space farming in NPC regions or those controlled by their blues, and they never post/complain about dying)
Aries Ward Caldari xJADE WOLFx Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.18 03:39:00 - [47] When my corp was looking for a 0.0 alliance to join, I knew a CEO who was in KOS so we went there. After 2 days, the same guy told me he was leaving KOs for a BoB allied alliance because Goons and Co. were going to die horrible deaths since no one could stand up to BoB. I decided to stick it out since I hadn't been in 0.0 but for a week and knew little of the politics. His corp joined RISE. ________________________________________________ The road to hell is paved with crushed Ibis's.
Bacon Burger	Posted - 2007.12.18 03:44:00 - [48] Originally by: Aries Ward When my corp was looking for a 0.0 alliance to join, I knew a CEO who was in KOS so we went there. After 2 days, the same guy told me he was leaving KOs for a BoB allied alliance because Goons and Co. were going to die horrible deaths since no one could stand up to BoB. I decided to stick it out since I hadn't been in 0.0 but for a week and knew little of the politics. His corp joined RISE. Knights of the Southern Cross is the possibly one of the most f agghy things to ever be named of a collection of people. It's like naming something after a television show about WWII in eve like Band of Brothers.
PYROnoxx Heretic Army The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.18 04:01:00 - [49] i only knew Rhang from his talks on TS and some FC'ing he did he was a great guy and is no way a back stabber to the KOS alliance he helped all he could his hate for RA and friends made him join other alliances in fighting them simple as and actually it happened kinda like this KOS****s alliance leaders talk to RAGOON ask for nap LV / -V- found out so dekked KOS simple as now flame and stuff post with ur main!!! i do..ow wait
Major Donkage Piss Bottle Junkies	Posted - 2007.12.18 04:05:00 - [50] kos is a terrible alliance dont quote dis if ur down see wat ive done here hey guys wats goin on in dis thread?

PYROnoxx Heretic Army The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.18 04:07:00 - [51] Originally by: Major Donkage see wat ive done here i see wat u did there post with ur main!!! i do..ow wait
Jim Linger Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.18 04:11:00 - [52] Originally by: Minariel Amnesia is running rampant in Eve - lay off the boosters people!! KOS û Knights of the Southern Cross, once reigned over the south next to LV. They squandered everything through incompetence and ignorance. When the going got tough in Wicked Creek in their last stronghold, no orders or direction came from leadership; they left our players out in the cold. To make matters worse, they napped Goons/RA/TCF so they could take their precious loot with them. Instead of joining their mutual allies, the GBC, they went back to empire, cut a deal with their enemies so they could get their stuff out of the stations, and returned as full traitors. Good and loyal players like Rhang, the remaing FC, was left to operate in the dark, and did all he could to help members get out of Wicked Creek, but the leadership was a no show, and those same leaders still in their seats on the KOS throne. How is it that they are the second largest alliance at the moment? Because you didnÆt know how terrible they really are. They only reason they have anything at the moment is because they are traitors in their hearts, and are taking you, their membership for fools. Ask your corp why you are following such incompetence, mismanagement, and continuing to support an alliance utterly bankrupt of principles. Then vote with your feet, and exit stage KOS. your a troll, there is no other explanation for your stupidity, but ill respond anyway so people reading get everything clear. taking it sentence by sentence KOS was given space by lv, and resided with many various alliance which changed over time. Im not gonna tell you kos were good, there were alot of noobs and carebears, but your going overboard. And as far as learship being non-existant... well, all i can say is you obviously dont know kos leadership, i cba to read the 2 pages of comments, but im sure youve already gotten a slap in the head for that. Yes, kos naped ra to save their own asses, although i dont agree with this, they did fight untill they had no reason or ability to remain in their space (remembering ra carriers assigning fighters 24/7 in every system) BoB was not blue to kos, or lv, at the time. Empire? kos never went back to empire, they simply resided in their old region without stn ownership I know alot of people in kos, who the hell is rhang? KOS leadership was working hard enough to keep their alliance from falling to pieces (which it did) Im sorry, they arent the 2nd largest alliance because they're traitors, they're the seccond largent alliance due to a hyperactive and open recruitment policy Ask yourself why you dont take your keyboard and walk in front of a train with it. did i just defend kos? i'm not an alt i just post like one
Celes Arcaine SynthTech Studios	Posted - 2007.12.18 04:17:00 - [53] Originally by: Major Donkage kos is a terrible alliance dont quote dis if ur down see wat ive done here Your sig needs grabs popcorn
Jim Linger Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.18 04:21:00 - [54] Edited by: Jim Linger on 18/12/2007 04:21:47 Originally by: Hannah Forlong Funny quotes from KOSBosses channel: Originally by: demogod [ 2006.07.20 00:28:57 ] demogod > we are going to kill off ra one's and for all [ 2006.10.20 21:35:43 ] demogod > I was hopping the off line towers was ra's lol [ 2006.10.22 22:08:46 ] demogod > can some one mail me a corp list of kos corps if i hopped on my old comp, i have much better ones than that :-P edit: what ever happen to him anyway? he buy a new character? i'm not an alt i just post like one
Major Donkage Piss Bottle Junkies	Posted - 2007.12.18 04:23:00 - [55] Originally by: Celes Arcaine Originally by: Major Donkage kos is a terrible alliance dont quote dis if ur down see wat ive done here Your sig needs grabs popcorn ur right brosef i forgot ill update accordingly hey guys wats goin on in dis thread?
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.18 04:53:00 - [56] Originally by: Jim Linger Originally by: Minariel Amnesia is running rampant in Eve - lay off the boosters people!! KOS û Knights of the Southern Cross, once reigned over the south next to LV. They squandered everything through incompetence and ignorance. When the going got tough in Wicked Creek in their last stronghold, no orders or direction came from leadership; they left our players out in the cold. To make matters worse, they napped Goons/RA/TCF so they could take their precious loot with them. Instead of joining their mutual allies, the GBC, they went back to empire, cut a deal with their enemies so they could get their stuff out of the stations, and returned as full traitors. Good and loyal players like Rhang, the remaing FC, was left to operate in the dark, and did all he could to help members get out of Wicked Creek, but the leadership was a no show, and those same leaders still in their seats on the KOS throne. How is it that they are the second largest alliance at the moment? Because you didnÆt know how terrible they really are. They only reason they have anything at the moment is because they are traitors in their hearts, and are taking you, their membership for fools. Ask your corp why you are following such incompetence, mismanagement, and continuing to support an alliance utterly bankrupt of principles. Then vote with your feet, and exit stage KOS. your a troll, there is no other explanation for your stupidity, but ill respond anyway so people reading get everything clear. taking it sentence by sentence KOS was given space by lv, and resided with many various alliance which changed over time. Im not gonna tell you kos were good, there were alot of noobs and carebears, but your going overboard. And as far as learship being non-existant... well, all i can say is you obviously dont know kos leadership, i cba to read the 2 pages of comments, but im sure youve already gotten a slap in the head for that. Yes, kos naped ra to save their own asses, although i dont agree with this, they did fight untill they had no reason or ability to remain in their space (remembering ra carriers assigning fighters 24/7 in every system) BoB was not blue to kos, or lv, at the time. Empire? kos never went back to empire, they simply resided in their old region without stn ownership I know alot of people in kos, who the hell is rhang? KOS leadership was working hard enough to keep their alliance from falling to pieces (which it did) Im sorry, they arent the 2nd largest alliance because they're traitors, they're the seccond largent alliance due to a hyperactive and open recruitment policy Ask yourself why you dont take your keyboard and walk in front of a train with it. did i just defend kos? Lol Jim you know that you have a special place in your heart for KOS. I hear you upgraded to rapiers now. Thank god the name on your stabber was looking less like roman numerals and more like hyroglyphics. Anyways KOS suck blah blah blah whatever... whoes for pizza?
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.18 05:03:00 - [57] HEY mr mcalt, KOS was one of the few alliance's that offered to help me and my old alliance after we lost our space. they good peeps. **** off sincerly dastommy XOXOXOXO I driks lot signature removed- Jacques([email protected])
Ventro69 Caldari Manson Family	Posted - 2007.12.18 07:09:00 - [58] There are some decent players and corps in KOS. I just feel I'd rather work with 200 dedicated players, than 3000 carebears, so we got out yesterday. Looking for new alliance btw.
Von Kleist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 07:15:00 - [59] Id just like to point out, KOS is doing ALOT better than BoB is right now.
Koredor Veni Vidi Vici. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.18 08:29:00 - [60] Edited by: Koredor on 18/12/2007 08:32:10 o/ KOS EDIT: For those who doubt KOS, Just take alook at the sov map

HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 09:25:00 - [61] Edited by: HankMurphy on 18/12/2007 09:26:28 rhang doesn't seem to be here to defend himself, SO as his ceo at the time i'd like to say... when kos was anti ragoon, rhang was the man. he bent over backwards for that alliance, and did a damn good job. he was a 'go to' guy when you needed something done and would help anyone that needed anything, if he could. then kos went turncoat. the reds went blue and the blues went red. rhang looked out for the ppl he knew. he didn't engineer any exodus. he just helped the rats jumping ship find a place to go. the pilots that left wanted to leave anyways, rhang just tried to pave them a way to stay the course in the war. Not everyone was as ready to cave in to the hoards as demogod was. (#1 toolbox btw) some would like to stamp him as a traitor, but all he ever did was look out for the ppl he actually saw flying w/ him, not the armchair quarterbacks that (at the end) decided to change standings to save their own personal assets. rhang: danish murder machine ftw anywho, this is all way too '06 for me. like the man said, last year was a great time to bring this up ------------------------------ of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most
De'Zori legion of qui Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.12.18 11:04:00 - [62] there are quite a few very competent pilots in KOS, like firkragg for example. but after living down there with them for a few months sadly the truth is 80% of entire membersbase dont know what a missile launcher/turret is at all... ive personally seen 3 KOS carriers die too a 13-14 man DR gang with ships cruiser sized and down. ive also seen a KOS home system counting aprox 70-80 pilots all dock up for a 6 man roaming DR gang. i feel sorry for the few competent pilots flying under this flag tbh. De'z
wicked cheese Eth3real Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.18 11:55:00 - [63] Originally by: Minariel Ask your corp why you are following such incompetence, mismanagement, and continuing to support an alliance utterly bankrupt of principles. i asked my corp this and they called me a queef welcome to the internet. where the men are men, the women are men, and the children are police men.
brother stud The 13th Legion	Posted - 2007.12.20 18:54:00 - [64] why do people always flame KOS, is it becoz they achieve things that others havent, is it through jealousy, or hatred, i personally, enjoyed my time in KOS, was around 8 months since i have been there, but while i was there, what i saw was awe inspiring, they had good leadership, still have, and alot of space to roam around in, and as for them returning back to empire, i do believe they just laid dormant for a little while, mustering their forces. i am persoanlly looking into re-joining KOS with my current corp, but alot of chattin will need to be done. and i think that many KOS members replies speak for themselves, so you flamers, have 2 choices, put up, or shut up! much luv
Ktarr Rakillo Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.20 20:23:00 - [65] Originally by: Minariel Ask your corp why you are following such incompetence, mismanagement, and continuing to support an alliance utterly bankrupt of principles. Then vote with your feet, and exit stage KOS. I do not need to ask my Corporation a question which I know the answer to. I see what Kos is, what the people who are that are in it.. all I can say is, I ain't going nowhere. And I have a strong feeling that I am not alone in that.
Cupdeez Vengeance of the Fallen Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.20 21:11:00 - [66] I would like to point out that all the CA members joined KOS which was not many but did give them a pretty big boost. KOS might have a large amount of carebears but I think most big alliances do. Sounds to me like this alt LV/v guy is just ****ed his allinace failed and died when KOS leadership made the right decisions and pulled through. Maybe KOS is the trump card down the road in the Goon vs BOB fight. Since everyone writes us off as nobodies.
Virgil Aquilis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.20 21:25:00 - [67] I'm dismayed at KOS's current recruiting techniques. Seriously, did you have to absorb the macro ratter corps that D-L tossed out? Feel free to check out a character named 'Timeisup' in-game if you don't believe me. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.20 21:30:00 - [68] Originally by: Cupdeez I would like to point out that all the CA members joined KOS which was not many but did give them a pretty big boost. KOS might have a large amount of carebears but I think most big alliances do. Sounds to me like this alt LV/v guy is just ****ed his allinace failed and died when KOS leadership made the right decisions and pulled through. Maybe KOS is the trump card down the road in the Goon vs BOB fight. Since everyone writes us off as nobodies. I think we should start spamming the forums more so people know what we are actually doing? Also big props to the exCA guys who have now joined (cept for xirt as he sucks ) and to the exFLA who lived down with us for a while.
Hardtail Red Dawn Empire Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.20 21:58:00 - [69] Edited by: Hardtail on 20/12/2007 22:04:03 Thank you for this thread. I have seen the errors of my ways, and consequently going to leave my corporation as to escape the traitorous tyrant fisted rule of evil KOS leaders over me. good job ^ .^ now you've got about 3000 more people to convince. bitter much? Edit Firk, that sig is gonna need an update soon
Dirk Magnum FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.20 22:01:00 - [70] KOS used to shoot me all the time when I was in DOFA and blue to them :*(

Urrorur Eternum Guild Transportation Group	Posted - 2007.12.20 22:10:00 - [71] They also tried to invade CDC a little over a year ago at the behest of Smashkill and forgot to put stront in their towers during the POS spam. Some 15-20 large stront-less towers annihilated in one night by Pure/CDC in perhaps the shortest offensive in Eve history. I think Smashkill was supposed to help but once they got word of the epic failureboat that is KOS they probably kept their distance. For a piece of historical lawlz, read the Eve Tribune article "Comedy of Errors." Too lazy to google and link it, find yourselves =P
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.20 22:11:00 - [72] Originally by: Hardtail Firk, that sig is gonna need an update soon Yes true. Unfortunately i will have to change the date and not the complaint :(
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.12.20 22:25:00 - [73] Originally by: Snowden Vel This whole "WITNESS THE FATE OF TRAITORS" song and dance would be a lot more effective if KOS weren't sitting pretty with a bunch of new space and flush with members while the GBC is collapsing in a flurry of bitter alt posts. maybe it's an ironic post? stating that it pays to be naughty, or something? i'm not sure, the op was a tad weird. Originally by: Ricdic Ezoran is a dirty troll. Ezoran has been repoted to mods for trolling on this and many other threads As trolling continues Ezoran will continue to be reported If Ezoran persists then
TroNaaR Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.20 22:54:00 - [74] at least they diddnt lose 7 regions over it Wherever you go... There you are...
Starfarer Caldari Complexi Intricata	Posted - 2007.12.21 00:13:00 - [75] Originally by: Ecid Q'Wulf beeing being Originally by: Ecid Q'Wulf where gone. were gone Originally by: Ecid Q'Wulf to busy too busy Originally by: Ecid Q'Wulf apaathy apathy Go back to school.
Hardtail Red Dawn Empire Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.21 00:19:00 - [76] Originally by: Starfarer Originally by: Ecid Q'Wulf beeing being Originally by: Ecid Q'Wulf where gone. were gone Originally by: Ecid Q'Wulf to busy too busy Originally by: Ecid Q'Wulf apaathy apathy Go back to school. TRANSLATION I ran out of things to say, so I am going to ***** on you about your grammar
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.21 00:23:00 - [77] Originally by: Starfarer Originally by: Ecid Q'Wulf beeing being Originally by: Ecid Q'Wulf where gone. were gone Originally by: Ecid Q'Wulf to busy too busy Originally by: Ecid Q'Wulf apaathy apathy Go back to school. If he went back to school they would probabaly be teaching him how to spell german as i assume they do in germany.
sov68n GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.21 00:48:00 - [78] Having been a former member of KOS, I can say that there are a lot of legit members and good people in the alliance, like Firkragg and Tumbles (hope you guys still remember me ). I simply urge its CEOs to do corp purges of inactive members. I left KOS because the biggest fleet we could muster to attack RISE was about 20 men if I recall correctly. And even then the leadership kept pushing us. 3/4 of the people in that alliance haven't played in months (look no further than Hounds of War [DOGGY]). And a good portion of the members who don't show themselves are the ISK farmers. But, it's still a decent alliance. I think.
Jim Linger Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.21 01:45:00 - [79] You guys stole colwirth and stealth from me :< im gonna try to visit you guys over x-mas break <3 i'm not an alt i just post like one
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.21 04:56:00 - [80] Originally by: sov68n Having been a former member of KOS, I can say that there are a lot of legit members and good people in the alliance, like Firkragg and Tumbles (hope you guys still remember me ). I simply urge its CEOs to do corp purges of inactive members. I left KOS because the biggest fleet we could muster to attack RISE was about 20 men if I recall correctly. And even then the leadership kept pushing us. 3/4 of the people in that alliance haven't played in months (look no further than Hounds of War [DOGGY]). And a good portion of the members who don't show themselves are the ISK farmers. But, it's still a decent alliance. I think. I thought you left because we kept calling you a noob? "fit sensor boosters to do more damage" :)

Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.12.21 05:30:00 - [81] Originally by: Firkragg Originally by: Cupdeez I would like to point out that all the CA members joined KOS which was not many but did give them a pretty big boost. KOS might have a large amount of carebears but I think most big alliances do. Sounds to me like this alt LV/v guy is just ****ed his allinace failed and died when KOS leadership made the right decisions and pulled through. Maybe KOS is the trump card down the road in the Goon vs BOB fight. Since everyone writes us off as nobodies. I think we should start spamming the forums more so people know what we are actually doing? Also big props to the exCA guys who have now joined (cept for xirt as he sucks ) and to the exFLA who lived down with us for a while. Hmm, the CA, who ran into Goonspace, then got into trouble with Goons and declared they don't like Goons anymore, while Goons made jokes about them, then those CA probably noticed they weren't really welcome on the anti-goon side either. So now they have left CA and joined KoS and are friends with the Goons again ? Good luck with becoming the trump card in the BoB vs. almost everyone else conflict. But I doubt that you can screw up that much that it leads to the destruction of RSF in the end. ( Oh, man, this was my last flame before I leave into the holidays. I just couldn't resist. ^^ )
Space Hog NEW DAWN CO Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2007.12.21 07:00:00 - [82] Originally by: HankMurphy Edited by: HankMurphy on 18/12/2007 09:26:28 rhang doesn't seem to be here to defend himself, SO as his ceo at the time i'd like to say... when kos was anti ragoon, rhang was the man. he bent over backwards for that alliance, and did a damn good job. he was a 'go to' guy when you needed something done and would help anyone that needed anything, if he could. then kos went turncoat. the reds went blue and the blues went red. rhang looked out for the ppl he knew. he didn't engineer any exodus. he just helped the rats jumping ship find a place to go. the pilots that left wanted to leave anyways, rhang just tried to pave them a way to stay the course in the war. Not everyone was as ready to cave in to the hoards as demogod was. (#1 toolbox btw) some would like to stamp him as a traitor, but all he ever did was look out for the ppl he actually saw flying w/ him, not the armchair quarterbacks that (at the end) decided to change standings to save their own personal assets. rhang: danish murder machine ftw anywho, this is all way too '06 for me. like the man said, last year was a great time to bring this up I agree with HankMurphy, Rhang is a solid man and a good guy to fly with. No traitor is he. Caution Visit Nuts
arghy steelwill GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.21 08:42:00 - [83] Edited by: arghy steelwill on 21/12/2007 08:42:47 Alot of these so called farmers just dont speak english and rat alot, sure they could turn isk into cash but they could also be doing other stuff to. Dont scream farmer at every foreign player, besides they have some pretty insane korean players who fly raven swarms that slaughter everyone- they make BE proud. Also why must every alliance form massive fleets and take space? i dont see their space under attack they could just be chilling in 0.0 and takeing a break from fleet warfare. I see KOS as a great place for a corp to get used to 0.0 as their space is secure and D-R provides a great learning experience of how 0.0 works(i.e. kills stupid ppl). Shot at 2007-07-19 Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2007.12.21 09:04:00 - [84] The irony is that KOS space is secure not because KOS are doing something about it. Should KOS allies forget about KOS for a while and KOS will have no place to call their own in a very short time. How ironic is that most of the players who "rat a lot" don't speak English well, is it a coincidence that most farmers don't speak English well and "rat a lot" too?
Ventro69 Caldari Manson Family SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.21 09:05:00 - [85] ISK Farmers don't pay corp fees, don't pay alliance fees, don't help in ice mining ops, don't contribute to office rental fees, don't join defensive gangs, yet, they get the benefit of 0.0 ratting. They must die, easy as that.
Zillazuki Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.12.21 14:09:00 - [86] Originally by: HankMurphy Edited by: HankMurphy on 18/12/2007 09:26:28 rhang doesn't seem to be here to defend himself, SO as his ceo at the time i'd like to say... when kos was anti ragoon, rhang was the man. he bent over backwards for that alliance, and did a damn good job. he was a 'go to' guy when you needed something done and would help anyone that needed anything, if he could. then kos went turncoat. the reds went blue and the blues went red. rhang looked out for the ppl he knew. he didn't engineer any exodus. he just helped the rats jumping ship find a place to go. the pilots that left wanted to leave anyways, rhang just tried to pave them a way to stay the course in the war. Not everyone was as ready to cave in to the hoards as demogod was. (#1 toolbox btw) some would like to stamp him as a traitor, but all he ever did was look out for the ppl he actually saw flying w/ him, not the armchair quarterbacks that (at the end) decided to change standings to save their own personal assets. rhang: danish murder machine ftw anywho, this is all way too '06 for me. like the man said, last year was a great time to bring this up QFT...and I was in the KOS Senator meeting when all the Turncoat crap was announced...but yeah, this is all distant past. PS: Rhang was/is the man. Signature removed after it was found hanging around with a wax crayon.
Darklin Eldaris Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.12.21 14:22:00 - [87] Originally by: DaiTengu and the BoB propaganda machine manages to lay another brick. No, KOS actually just sucks really badly. The man speaks the truth.
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.21 15:40:00 - [88] Originally by: arghy steelwill Edited by: arghy steelwill on 21/12/2007 08:42:47 Alot of these so called farmers just dont speak english and rat alot, sure they could turn isk into cash but they could also be doing other stuff to. Dont scream farmer at every foreign player, besides they have some pretty insane korean players who fly raven swarms that slaughter everyone- they make BE proud. Also why must every alliance form massive fleets and take space? i dont see their space under attack they could just be chilling in 0.0 and takeing a break from fleet warfare. I see KOS as a great place for a corp to get used to 0.0 as their space is secure and D-R provides a great learning experience of how 0.0 works(i.e. kills stupid ppl). As ive said in a million KOS threads if you see farmers tell us and we will sort it. The problem is when these farmers are operating far outside our space and we dont know about it so cant get rid of them. And contrary to popular belief we do fleet stuff we just dont usually make forum posts about most of the stuff we do. I also totally agree DR were great to have around as they were a lotta fun to fight. Now days with have -a- to play with which is also great fun as there a cool bunch of guys (cept for a couple of smacktards but every alliance has them).
Gloomy Gus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.21 15:54:00 - [89] I like KOS.
Tozmeister Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.12.21 15:59:00 - [90] Originally by: arghy steelwill Edited by: arghy steelwill on 21/12/2007 08:42:47 Alot of these so called farmers just dont speak english and rat alot, sure they could turn isk into cash but they could also be doing other stuff to. Dont scream farmer at every foreign player, besides they have some pretty insane korean players who fly raven swarms that slaughter everyone- they make BE proud. Also why must every alliance form massive fleets and take space? i dont see their space under attack they could just be chilling in 0.0 and takeing a break from fleet warfare. I see KOS as a great place for a corp to get used to 0.0 as their space is secure and D-R provides a great learning experience of how 0.0 works(i.e. kills stupid ppl). we do kill the odd intelligent one as well. +++????+++Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start+++

niroshido Caldari Madhatters Inc. Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2007.12.21 16:07:00 - [91] in spite the op is an ex-lv , and more the point, now a BOB member, he is not far from the truth. while i use my main for this i will tell of my version KOS & LV once were friends, but LV didnt admire KOS's dictatorship, KOS's leader is infamous for his incompetance and arrogance (coincidently LV had the same, yet KOS leadership was one man). When goons finally arrived in the area, KOS couldnt take the heat and nap'd the turkey out of the coalition forces, and through incompetance, litterally left the area faster ppl would leave a hall if i started singing, needless to say KOS pos's remained behind in what can be considered a "oh god get the heck out of the area ppl!!" move. LV then KOS'd KOS (haha! ironic isnt it, there tag suits the end of a friendship) then again i also wanted to generate this comment, before goons moved into the area, the old southern coalition was falling apart by the seams, it seemed to me that the troubles of KOS, LV, -V- were distant news, where my alliance at the time was having its own problems. The collapse of the south was not due to one alliance, but was down to the lack of commitment made by all parts of whom were considered southern coalition members. The very fact that the alliances moved farther away made it so easy for RSF to come in and pick off the weaker players first
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.21 18:19:00 - [92] Originally by: Tozmeister we do kill the odd intelligent one as well. Yeh got me a few times although according to your killboard im doing ok isk wise on kills go me :D TBH its pretty much down to keeto hehe. As ive said before though i have a ton of respect for DR as for the msot part they were pretty cool in local and very professional.
sov68n GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.21 22:39:00 - [93] so... why did GS&RED nap KOS in the first place?
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.21 23:52:00 - [94] Originally by: sov68n so... why did GS&RED nap KOS in the first place? The free cake i am reliably informed.
Jim Linger Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.21 23:55:00 - [95] Edited by: Jim Linger on 21/12/2007 23:55:44 Originally by: sov68n so... why did GS&RED nap KOS in the first place? 'scuse me for making the assumption you weren't in gs then basicly, ra goon really didnt know if they were gonna win or not. it was a close back and forth war, kos was a descent chunk in the col. of the south's fleet. when they asked for a nap, it was a nice benefit to ragoon, so they accepted. atomic dramabomb insued (cake was also a factor) i'm not an alt i just post like one
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.22 00:53:00 - [96] Originally by: Jim Linger Edited by: Jim Linger on 21/12/2007 23:55:44 Originally by: sov68n so... why did GS&RED nap KOS in the first place? 'scuse me for making the assumption you weren't in gs then basicly, ra goon really didnt know if they were gonna win or not. it was a close back and forth war, kos was a descent chunk in the col. of the south's fleet. when they asked for a nap, it was a nice benefit to ragoon, so they accepted. atomic dramabomb insued (cake was also a factor) LOL Jim WTF you gone all i love KOS :D Next time you swing by c3 we will greet you with cake and alcohol rather than guns honest.
Jim Linger Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.22 02:18:00 - [97] Edited by: Jim Linger on 22/12/2007 02:18:46 Originally by: Firkragg Originally by: Jim Linger Edited by: Jim Linger on 21/12/2007 23:55:44 Originally by: sov68n so... why did GS&RED nap KOS in the first place? 'scuse me for making the assumption you weren't in gs then basicly, ra goon really didnt know if they were gonna win or not. it was a close back and forth war, kos was a descent chunk in the col. of the south's fleet. when they asked for a nap, it was a nice benefit to ragoon, so they accepted. atomic dramabomb insued (cake was also a factor) LOL Jim WTF you gone all i love KOS :D Next time you swing by c3 we will greet you with cake and alcohol rather than guns honest. i've always loved kos :-P, thats why i try to greif the carebears to the point of going back to empire ^.^ also: there's less demogod for me to argue with i'm not an alt i just post like one
StealthRavenx Caldari Nocturnal Damnation Corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.23 06:21:00 - [98] Wow....Just...wow Btw, Hi Jim :P ________________________________________
Gorvan Minmatar Deathwatch Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.23 06:43:00 - [99] Seems someone has been neglected, call some mental help its gonna be ok. I was a member of KOS when in WC, and the way things are done now seem quite different in a good way. As far of fielding pilots... we always Love Pew Pew near MP5 come and visit. Gorvan
Vile rat GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.23 06:46:00 - [100] Ugh THIS THREAD. The real story is KOS basically got headshotted in WC because of poor pos setups and lost their main outpost in one day. They were basically done at that point and worked out an agreement where they would get standings for a short time while they withdrew their forces and left the war. The plan was they would go up to geminate with smash and rebuild their alliance and figure things out. LV and co took this to mean they were switching sides which was not the case at all. They decided to set KOS - instead of just letting them leave. Things in Geminate didn't work out and KOS decided to approach RSF about coming back in and fighting LV because of what LV did as KOS was withdrawing.

Abriana Overlord Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.23 13:09:00 - [101] Alliances such as RA and Goon earned there space. I believe many do not think KOS have earned there space and have instead rode on the coat tails of peeps who have now given them space (easier than managing 345934634653 POS) Until such time as KOS get in a serious heads up nut cruncher of a fight and win they are unlikely to get much respect from a large proportion of the eve community.
Vile rat GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.23 13:22:00 - [102] Originally by: Abriana Overlord Alliances such as RA and Goon earned there space. I believe many do not think KOS have earned there space and have instead rode on the coat tails of peeps who have now given them space (easier than managing 345934634653 POS) Until such time as KOS get in a serious heads up nut cruncher of a fight and win they are unlikely to get much respect from a large proportion of the eve community. So basically what you are saying is that KOS is a lot like FIX.
Abriana Overlord Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.23 13:37:00 - [103] Originally by: Vile rat Originally by: Abriana Overlord Alliances such as RA and Goon earned there space. I believe many do not think KOS have earned there space and have instead rode on the coat tails of peeps who have now given them space (easier than managing 345934634653 POS) Until such time as KOS get in a serious heads up nut cruncher of a fight and win they are unlikely to get much respect from a large proportion of the eve community. So basically what you are saying is that KOS is a lot like FIX. nope, you can attempt to draw parallels between fix and KOS all you want. However Fix has had the nut crunching fights and have remained for many years now. Hell I remember fighting fix back in sa days and they where a bloody good opponent (yes many have now left fix see many members of outbreak as an example) but bottom line is they earned there place. KOS is yet to do this in the eyes of many.
Teldi Beinew GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.23 13:41:00 - [104] Originally by: Abriana Overlord Alliances such as RA and Goon earned there space. I believe many do not think KOS have earned there space and have instead rode on the coat tails of peeps who have now given them space (easier than managing 345934634653 POS) At least they aren't paying 6b/month for it.
duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.23 13:45:00 - [105] Observation: In three months BOB will not exist as a space holding entity. KOS will. Imagine that huh? -----------
Abriana Overlord Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.23 13:52:00 - [106] Originally by: Teldi Beinew Originally by: Abriana Overlord Alliances such as RA and Goon earned there space. I believe many do not think KOS have earned there space and have instead rode on the coat tails of peeps who have now given them space (easier than managing 345934634653 POS) At least they aren't paying 6b/month for it. Neither did fix
duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.23 13:52:00 - [107] Originally by: sov68n so... why did GS&RED nap KOS in the first place? Footsoldier view. Others might have a different idea. But heres how I see it;- When RA + the Goons came in and one-shotted KOS's systems, RA (from the best I could tell) kind of felt a bit sorry for them and offered them a NAP to get there stuff out. Now at the time KOS would of said "Go away" had LV who was still quite the superpower come in to bail them out (see BOS for more tales of LV in this respect). LV rather than understanding the dire unwinnable situation KOS was in , could of either gone in to bat for its next door neighbor OR accepted that KOS was in a no-win situation. So instead they set KOS red. RA and the GOONS saw this as a pretty ****ty way to treat a friend, and offered a more protracted NAP. The KOS guys feeling justifiably outraged at their treatment by LV which was MUCH worse than RA's treatment of them (A friend who betrays you is much worse than an enemy who just does what enemys do) and started rolling with us in fleets. And so a friendship began. Its fashionable to kick KOS. Sure they have had farmers abusing their trust more often than most would like, and sometimes they've blown things. But they are solid and they'll stay. Simple as that. -----------
Abriana Overlord Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.23 13:53:00 - [108] Originally by: duckmonster Observation: In three months BOB will not exist as a space holding entity. KOS will. Imagine that huh? Observation? I think the word you are looking for is forecast or prediction?
Teldi Beinew GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.23 13:58:00 - [109] Originally by: Abriana Overlord Neither did fix I am aware that it may feel like a long time ago but BoB did once have allies other than fix
duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.23 14:00:00 - [110] Originally by: Abriana Overlord Originally by: duckmonster Observation: In three months BOB will not exist as a space holding entity. KOS will. Imagine that huh? Observation? I think the word you are looking for is forecast or prediction? naw. forecasts and predictions refer to uncertainties. -----------

duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.23 14:02:00 - [111] Oh hey. Vile Rats take is much more likely to be accurate than mine btw, him being diplomat and all that jazz. -----------
Abriana Overlord Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.23 14:07:00 - [112] Originally by: Teldi Beinew Originally by: Abriana Overlord Neither did fix I am aware that it may feel like a long time ago but BoB did once have allies other than fix iirc the thread was about KOS. Vile attempted to draw parallels beween FIX and KOS. I responded with a view. I fail to see the relevance of your post to this thread
Teldi Beinew GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.23 14:11:00 - [113] Originally by: Abriana Overlord iirc the thread was about KOS. Vile attempted to draw parallels beween FIX and KOS. I responded with a view. I fail to see the relevance of your post to this thread the relevance is that kos has far more dignity than the alliances bob chose to surround itself with could ever muster kos is also unlike most of those in that it still holds space
Deaell Portt PACK OF W0LVES	Posted - 2007.12.23 14:13:00 - [114] KOS space are good training ground to recon pilots. Most ppl in KOS are alt chars to make money. But i saw good pvpers in KOS too not only carebears. They do not smack on local so for me they are better then Goons. Who always want u smack to dead.
Sycosys Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.23 16:33:00 - [115] I heart ISK farmers.
Jim Linger Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.23 18:45:00 - [116] Edited by: Jim Linger on 23/12/2007 18:46:42 I think we're forgetting the point of this thread, which is how much of a tard the OP is. i'm not an alt i just post like one
Amerame Section XIII	Posted - 2007.12.23 19:07:00 - [117] Originally by: Vile rat Originally by: Abriana Overlord Alliances such as RA and Goon earned there space. I believe many do not think KOS have earned there space and have instead rode on the coat tails of peeps who have now given them space (easier than managing 345934634653 POS) Until such time as KOS get in a serious heads up nut cruncher of a fight and win they are unlikely to get much respect from a large proportion of the eve community. So basically what you are saying is that KOS is a lot like FIX. And that would be wrong. KOS was told that someday in the future (and remember that at the time RSF held like 5 stations between our 3 alliances) we would assist them militarily to take over hostile space. Which is what happened, KOS took stations directly from our enemies, we didn't give them away / sold them RSF stations, unlike BoB allies. Is there actually any BoB allies that ever took a station directly from the enemy ? I kinda understand BoB, puts you in a better position to negociate terms when you already have the stations.
Vile rat GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.23 19:11:00 - [118] Originally by: Amerame Originally by: Vile rat Originally by: Abriana Overlord Alliances such as RA and Goon earned there space. I believe many do not think KOS have earned there space and have instead rode on the coat tails of peeps who have now given them space (easier than managing 345934634653 POS) Until such time as KOS get in a serious heads up nut cruncher of a fight and win they are unlikely to get much respect from a large proportion of the eve community. So basically what you are saying is that KOS is a lot like FIX. And that would be wrong. KOS was told that someday in the future (and remember that at the time RSF held like 5 stations between our 3 alliances) we would assist them militarily to take over hostile space. Which is what happened, KOS took stations directly from our enemies, we didn't give them away / sold them RSF stations, unlike BoB allies. Is there actually any BoB allies that ever took a station directly from the enemy ? I kinda understand BoB, puts you in a better position to negociate terms when you already have the stations. Dammit Amerame. I was just going for a juicy zing and you had to go prove me wrong :( Sorry KOS, you are nothing like FIX.
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.23 20:28:00 - [119] Originally by: Scavok They may have had their space in Tenerifis mostly handed over to them when ISS and LV fell apart, but they've earned it a few times over since then entirely thanks to their own efforts. Nobody and everybody earned the space in Paragon Soul and Esoteria, they deserve their space there as much as anyone else to contributed to beating BoB earlier. I think ill take a moment to give a KOS view of these events. . KOS has never claimed they would have took the space in tenerifis alone as there was no way for them To match the forces that LV was bringing against them. What people fail to realise is that we basically lived out of pos in C3- for the entire time and we damned well earned that system. As scavok said when BOB invaded we basically did our very best to hold out until the time was right to reclaim it (it was only one system not two i seem to recall). After fruitless atempts to retake it with goon due to us being able to engage with titan in system we eventually retook it with some epic pos spam under bobs nose. When we invaded AZN we knew there wasnt much chance of success as there was no way alone we could face off against BOB but we were willing to try and create a new front for BOB to take preassure off our allies. I was there when we lost the freighter but our objective of forcing bob to come deal with another system under attack was accomplished. In regards to the rise invasion of KW that was just LOL. Actually quite enjoyed it as it gave decent pvp on our doorstep. I would like to take the moment to point out that those towers only made it into system after RISE had to phone for help from BOB and DR. The entier time they were there goons were busy in omist and we weathered it pretty much alone. And of course once BOB was busy with their own stuff we took those towers down. I might also add that we were in RIT practically every day killing thier towers alongside goon contrary to the popular belief that we sat on our backsides for months. In regards to the taking of PS we went in there and dropped out towers and killed the remaining bob towers there. I dont think any alliance can claim to have fought hard for those systems as there was no fight to be had. Since the taking of Paragon KOS has been all over the place. We have been roaming in Period basis (while DL was there), Been hanging out in querious (Hanging with UNL is fun i might add). And we have also been in FAT recently looking for a good fight. As ive said in alpot of KOS bashing threads just because we dont generally have a big forum prescence doesnt mean we arent doing anything and more importanly it doesnt mean we havent been there for our allies over the last half a year or so.
Jim Linger Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.24 01:14:00 - [120] Originally by: Firkragg When we invaded AZN we knew there wasnt much chance of success as there was no way alone we could face off against BOB but we were willing to try and create a new front for BOB to take preassure off our allies. I was there when we lost the freighter but our objective of forcing bob to come deal with another system under attack was accomplished. Was is kos or goon (or someone else) that sent like 2 unescorted freighters into azn while it was owned by bob? i'm not an alt i just post like one

sov68n Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.24 01:29:00 - [121] Originally by: Firkragg In regards to the rise invasion of KW that was just LOL. Actually quite enjoyed it as it gave decent pvp on our doorstep. I would like to take the moment to point out that those towers only made it into system after RISE had to phone for help from BOB and DR. The entire time they were there goons were busy in omist and we weathered it pretty much alone. And of course once BOB was busy with their own stuff we took those towers down. I might also add that we were in RIT practically every day killing thier towers alongside goon contrary to the popular belief that we sat on our backsides for months. OK this is false. KOS had a sh*tton of help taking care of the RISE invasion of their space, be it goons or not. As I recall, IVC was there along with another alliance. And about you being in RIT taking down their towers, it was Goon, RA, and TCF taking down those towers with a squad of 5-20 KOS in the fleet. I saw it myself. In KOSEMS and in KOS Alliance chat everyone was yelling for people to get to RIT and the most I ever saw was 30 or 40, if that many. I bet you still can't summon a half decent fleet.
sov68n Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.24 01:35:00 - [122] Originally by: Deaell Portt They do not smack on local so for me they are better then Goons. Who always want u smack to dead. That's because their leaders fine them millions of ISK if they do. The KOS leadership is a brutal oligarchy with rules set that shouldn't exist in a f*cking game.
Waragha TALON'S GRIP	Posted - 2007.12.24 01:39:00 - [123] I can understand not liking the alt, but defending KOS? What has EVE come to :( Come on, they are the crap of the universe?
Cabal Leader	Posted - 2007.12.24 02:26:00 - [124] Originally by: sov68n Originally by: Firkragg In regards to the rise invasion of KW that was just LOL. Actually quite enjoyed it as it gave decent pvp on our doorstep. I would like to take the moment to point out that those towers only made it into system after RISE had to phone for help from BOB and DR. The entire time they were there goons were busy in omist and we weathered it pretty much alone. And of course once BOB was busy with their own stuff we took those towers down. I might also add that we were in RIT practically every day killing thier towers alongside goon contrary to the popular belief that we sat on our backsides for months. OK this is false. KOS had a sh*tton of help taking care of the RISE invasion of their space, be it goons or not. As I recall, IVC was there along with another alliance. And about you being in RIT taking down their towers, it was Goon, RA, and TCF taking down those towers with a squad of 5-20 KOS in the fleet. I saw it myself. In KOSEMS and in KOS Alliance chat everyone was yelling for people to get to RIT and the most I ever saw was 30 or 40, if that many. I bet you still can't summon a half decent fleet. and you battlestars guys cannot even take care of fueling one lousy jump bridge for your alliance ! let alone field a fleet unless you are surrounded by 200 of your allies. so pot/kettle?
Khorian Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.12.24 02:41:00 - [125] Originally by: Amerame Is there actually any BoB allies that ever took a station directly from the enemy ? Yes ---
duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.24 03:00:00 - [126] Hey sov, your a terrible poster and quick smacking allies in public ****head. If you've got problems with KOS take it off the forums. Spy -----------
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.24 04:03:00 - [127] Originally by: Jim Linger Originally by: Firkragg When we invaded AZN we knew there wasnt much chance of success as there was no way alone we could face off against BOB but we were willing to try and create a new front for BOB to take preassure off our allies. I was there when we lost the freighter but our objective of forcing bob to come deal with another system under attack was accomplished. Was is kos or goon (or someone else) that sent like 2 unescorted freighters into azn while it was owned by bob? Nah we took one frieghter in there but they bumped it out with a titan. Bit crap to tell the truth but was hardly devestating. Oh and ignore the sov68n posts i just called him a noob in a goon channel and he got a bit offended.
Scavok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.24 05:49:00 - [128] For some reason I thought BoB had KW- at one point, but it's been awhile and I'm probably wrong
Matrixcvd Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.24 06:22:00 - [129] i am not speaking for my alliance, I speak with my main cause thats who i am and don't need to hide behind "Teh Alt posting Corp" or groups or any conglamerate of bullshyte artists and pansies who can't speak up for what they believe in without a mask on. All you alt posters out there are just dribble and diatribe like most people in the RL. thats the rant here to the op and to KOS I have delt with a number of KOS officers in the past and all are stand up chaps, they run a large mixed alliance, and while they may not have the razor's edge in terms of PVP, their logistics is second to none. They control space like no other, through whatever means. If its good politics, dedication to the craft, or shear lack of RL that drives them, they hold the space others dream about. Thats the way the game is played now and they do it well. Much respect for Plasma and the CA guys that joined. Any other crap by alt posting losers is just toilet water. Don't talk smack, cause you can't fight, don't try and get others to talk smack, cause the ones that fight know the true story. Post with your main or don't post at all...
Real Darkling North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.24 07:04:00 - [130] So basically what you are saying is that KOS is a lot like FIX. nope, you can attempt to draw parallels between fix and KOS all you want. However Fix has had the nut crunching fights and have remained for many years now. Hell I remember fighting fix back in sa days and they where a bloody good opponent (yes many have now left fix see many members of outbreak as an example) but bottom line is they earned there place. KOS is yet to do this in the eyes of many. OK...RISE then.

Teldi Beinew GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.24 07:07:00 - [131] Originally by: duckmonster Hey sov, your a terrible poster and quick smacking allies in public ****head. If you've got problems with KOS take it off the forums. Spy battlestars
Angelonico R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2007.12.24 09:51:00 - [132] Originally by: Teldi Beinew Originally by: duckmonster Hey sov, your a terrible poster and quick smacking allies in public ****head. If you've got problems with KOS take it off the forums. Spy battlestars
Teldi Beinew GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.24 11:53:00 - [133] Originally by: Angelonico kicked out of battlestars
Angelonico R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2007.12.24 12:13:00 - [134] Originally by: Teldi Beinew Originally by: Angelonico kicked out of battlestars Hence the:
Elder Bob GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.24 12:15:00 - [135] Originally by: Angelonico Originally by: Teldi Beinew Originally by: duckmonster Hey sov, your a terrible poster and quick smacking allies in public ****head. If you've got problems with KOS take it off the forums. Spy battlestars Angelonico.


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