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Satchu Phaidon After Hours Inc 2	Posted - 2012.02.05 17:24:00 - [1] - Quote I've been thinking about working towards a Tengu for missions. I don't have amazing skills, but I'd still like to use one, 'cause they seem like fun ships All the fits I've seen have too many faction modules and such that I don't really want to spend the ISK on. And the cheap ones don't seem to fit too well, or don't have enough cap. Let me tell you that I don't care about 'efficiency' or 'ISK/hour ratios'. I just care about not losing my ship. So is this possible? Can you give me low-ish skill fit that will work, but not break the bank?
Luba Cibre 35	Posted - 2012.02.05 17:33:00 - [2] - Quote [Tengu, Tengu] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster Hardener 1 Hardener 2 Hardener 3 / Shield Boost Amplifier / Whatever you want Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst just the more or less standard bread and butter tengu
Liam Mirren 236	Posted - 2012.02.05 17:38:00 - [3] - Quote Have a look here. If you really don't want any faction damage mods then you could go 3 T2 BCS + co-pro. You'll lose a bit of DPS and for PVE ships I'd say that increasing your dps is always worthwhile. Also, the invul means you're not a oneshot for Tornados which is helpful (other than the fact that you're fairly cheaply fit). You could even get away with getting a cheaper shield booster but honestly, I urge you to use this one. And yeah you're right, most fits are made by people with a faction fetish, lacking braincells. [Tengu, LVL 4 Guristas] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Ballistic Control System II 10MN Afterburner II Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Ballistic Deflection Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Heavy Missile Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org
Satchu Phaidon After Hours Inc 2	Posted - 2012.02.05 18:23:00 - [4] - Quote Would you say that an AB is essential?
Luba Cibre 35	Posted - 2012.02.05 18:24:00 - [5] - Quote yes.
Satchu Phaidon After Hours Inc 2	Posted - 2012.02.05 18:35:00 - [6] - Quote And I'm guessing that's for speed tanking?
Marsan Production N Destruction INC. The Last Chancers. 10	Posted - 2012.02.05 19:04:00 - [7] - Quote If you fit a Fuel Catalyst you should fit an AB. Otherwise it would be silly to use the Fuel Catalyst to assemble your Tengu. PS- Personally I like all of the above fits, but I'd fit heavy assaults instead of heavy missile. In which case you really need an AB, and might want to invest a bit more in a quality AB. In most L4s you can get by without the dead space Shield Booster, but you may end out warping out a fair bit.
Satchu Phaidon After Hours Inc 2	Posted - 2012.02.05 19:11:00 - [8] - Quote Hmm, without an AB I could get over 120 DPS more omni tank, although I would lose a Rigor...
Humidor Cigarillo 8	Posted - 2012.02.05 19:31:00 - [9] - Quote Satchu Phaidon wrote: Hmm, without an AB I could get over 120 DPS more omni tank, although I would lose a Rigor... Loosing speed, which is tank in and of itself, for more tank (especially omni, just fit appropriate racial hardeners) on a ship like the tengu is a bad idea.
Satchu Phaidon After Hours Inc 2	Posted - 2012.02.05 19:41:00 - [10] - Quote [Tengu, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Capacitor Flux Coil II Cap Recharger II Gistii C-Type Small Shield Booster Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Okay, how does this look?
Arcosian Alien Ship Builders Caedite Eos 15	Posted - 2012.02.06 01:15:00 - [11] - Quote [Tengu, Tengu Maxed] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System 10MN Afterburner II Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Target Painter II Medium Shield Booster II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Broken Thoughts ZERO T0LERANCE RAZOR Alliance 7	Posted - 2012.02.06 01:25:00 - [12] - Quote OP said cheap, hes prolly a noob and you post fits with deadspace mods...morons give him some t2large booster stable setup, as he stated he doesnt care 'bout efficiency
SpaceSquirrels 260	Posted - 2012.02.06 04:30:00 - [13] - Quote Quick question as I'm thinking of having an alt train up a tengu. If you use the cap regen sub can you perma boost? Thus not worrying about having to jump out less? (Yes yes I'm aware you loose the 6th launcher.) I just hate having to warp in and out... Greater loss of time, and accel gates get annoying.
Luba Cibre 35	Posted - 2012.02.06 04:54:00 - [14] - Quote You can permaboost it even with a Augmented Capacitor Reservoir, just use a complex SSB instead of a medium and with the other cap subsystem its trivial to get capstable, even with a LSB
Satchu Phaidon After Hours Inc 2	Posted - 2012.02.06 19:46:00 - [15] - Quote I may be new to this, but I'm not exactly poor I can get a couple of deadspace SSBs, and the faction AB, but nothing more. Is there a certain level where the DPS drops to what is considered shameful for a Tengu?
Fredfredbug4 Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control 35	Posted - 2012.02.06 20:08:00 - [16] - Quote Satchu Phaidon wrote: Hmm, without an AB I could get over 120 DPS more omni tank, although I would lose a Rigor... Half of a Tengu's tank comes from it's speed. One time I was taking a bit of damage in a mission simply because I forgot to turn on my AB. As soon as I popped it on I wasn't taking anymore damage.
Famble Three's a Crowd 281	Posted - 2012.02.06 20:42:00 - [17] - Quote Fredfredbug4 wrote: Satchu Phaidon wrote: Hmm, without an AB I could get over 120 DPS more omni tank, although I would lose a Rigor... Half of a Tengu's tank comes from it's speed. One time I was taking a bit of damage in a mission simply because I forgot to turn on my AB. As soon as I popped it on I wasn't taking anymore damage. Yea this. I use a Loki on some L4's that are heavy with ECM on occasion and the afterburner is far and away the biggest "tank". EFT won't tell you that on the surface. In fact, you'll quickly discover that warp disruption is no longer the biggest fear in a mission but in fact it's now webbing frigs. Slow = Death in a T3. If anyone ever looks at you and says, "Hold my beer, watch this,"-á you're probably going to want to pay attention.
Marsan Production N Destruction INC. 12	Posted - 2012.02.06 22:17:00 - [18] - Quote You don't need dead space mods on a Tengu to run level 4s. Tech 2's work just fine assuming you can fit them. That said better modules will make your mission running more effective. If you can't fit tech 2s due to power/cpu/skillvyou might want to strongly consider faction mods at least the high end named mods (normal drops not dead space). Faction and/or tech 2 missiles will also make a real difference in damage for those missions where you really need to kill a couple ships before you can tank the rest.
Ion Kirst KIRSTONE ALLIANCE 10	Posted - 2012.02.07 13:53:00 - [19] - Quote Cheap Tengu fit? Why? You spend up to 500M for the dang ship and then you want to fit with cheap mods. If you're going to go that route, then just use a Drake. The Tengu really comes alive with fits are are on the expensive side. This topic has been around a couple of times before anyway. I've run the Tengu in L4 missions since the ship came out, and have never had any problems in any mission. I do not use an AB! I don't have to speed tank to mnimize damage. The Tengu takes it all, it's shields barely fluctuate from the incoming, even with 8 BS pounding away. The BC and Cruisers actually do more damage and I take them out first. I don't worry about any webbing frigates, because I'm usually sitting still anyway, and take them out later. Many times I leave the BSs for last. Their big guns just don't get thru the resists and the smaller sig. I put on a LSE II from day one for a little security, and have just left it there. It is not needed. Lately, I've substituted it with a target painter. Amp., Diss., Aug., Acc., Grav. 2x rigors, 1xflare 6xHML II Pith C-Med SB SBA II hardener resist amp TP II Cap Rec II 4xCNBCU (low-grade crystals) At one time I even tried 2 Pith C SSB, and 2 TP IIs, that even worked very well. So please don't fit out a Tengu with cheap fittings. Wait until you can afford the good stuff. I've also gone back to using the CNR for L4's. I don't have to move, unless I have to head to a gate. -Kirst
Jack Corigan School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 7	Posted - 2012.02.07 19:23:00 - [20] - Quote Broken Thoughts wrote: OP said cheap, hes prolly a noob and you post fits with deadspace mods...morons Exactly, was wondering the same thing lol.
Luba Cibre 36	Posted - 2012.02.07 19:26:00 - [21] - Quote Jack Corigan wrote: Broken Thoughts wrote: OP said cheap, hes prolly a noob and you post fits with deadspace mods...morons Exactly, was wondering the same thing lol. Not all Deadspace loot is expensive. e.g. a C-Type SSB is just 70m...
Smadre The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.02.07 19:41:00 - [22] - Quote [Tengu] Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Invulnerability Field II 'Copasetic' Particle Field Acceleration Photon Scattering Field II 10MN Afterburner II Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Cheap fit, shoot webbing frigs first, swap in 4th BCS if you feel it has enough tank. Use mission specific hardeners if you are worried, personally i flew it like this in all missions no problem.
Gorey Harbour D'tael Contracts 0	Posted - 2012.02.07 21:14:00 - [23] - Quote Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II 10MN Afterburner II Shield Boost Amplifier II Domination Large Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Cap stable with a great omnitank, over 600m/s and dishes out 560 dps. I use one with a dissolution sequencer instead and have 4 CN BCU's instead of T2's. With a set of Hardwirings tailored for heavy missiles I get over 650 dps.
Satchu Phaidon After Hours Inc 2	Posted - 2012.02.07 21:28:00 - [24] - Quote Gorey Harbour wrote: Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II 10MN Afterburner II Shield Boost Amplifier II Domination Large Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Cap stable with a great omnitank, over 600m/s and dishes out 560 dps. I use one with a dissolution sequencer instead and have 4 CN BCU's instead of T2's. With a set of Hardwirings tailored for heavy missiles I get over 650 dps. How well does that hit smaller ships?
Gorey Harbour D'tael Contracts 0	Posted - 2012.02.07 21:34:00 - [25] - Quote Very well if you use Precision Missiles. TBH I hardly use them because even the high damage seem to kill them quick especially when you factor in the ammo changing time.
Xylem Viliana Dust Bunnies Emergent Avionics 26	Posted - 2012.02.08 01:38:00 - [26] - Quote Gorey Harbour wrote: Very well if you use Precision Missiles. TBH I hardly use them because even the high damage seem to kill them quick especially when you factor in the ammo changing time. Was your fit meant to have a T2 rig and a pair of T1's to be stable or was it a typo. Also is that with maxed cap skills?
Satchu Phaidon After Hours Inc 2	Posted - 2012.02.08 07:46:00 - [27] - Quote Xylem Viliana wrote: Gorey Harbour wrote: Very well if you use Precision Missiles. TBH I hardly use them because even the high damage seem to kill them quick especially when you factor in the ammo changing time. Was your fit meant to have a T2 rig and a pair of T1's to be stable or was it a typo. Also is that with maxed cap skills? I can modify it slightly to make it barely cap stable (36%), with an extra rigor. I might end up using this. Looks like one good tank.
Smadre The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.02.08 09:50:00 - [28] - Quote Gorey Harbour wrote: Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II 10MN Afterburner II Shield Boost Amplifier II Domination Large Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Cap stable with a great omnitank, over 600m/s and dishes out 560 dps. I use one with a dissolution sequencer instead and have 4 CN BCU's instead of T2's. With a set of Hardwirings tailored for heavy missiles I get over 650 dps. This fit has horrible dps, is way overtanked and sacrifices useful rig slots to be cap stable.
Satchu Phaidon After Hours Inc 2	Posted - 2012.02.08 17:00:00 - [29] - Quote Smadre wrote: Gorey Harbour wrote: Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II 10MN Afterburner II Shield Boost Amplifier II Domination Large Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Cap stable with a great omnitank, over 600m/s and dishes out 560 dps. I use one with a dissolution sequencer instead and have 4 CN BCU's instead of T2's. With a set of Hardwirings tailored for heavy missiles I get over 650 dps. This fit has horrible dps, is way overtanked and sacrifices useful rig slots to be cap stable. If you can answer this, how horrible is horrible for a Tengu? Just curious.
Gorey Harbour D'tael Contracts 0	Posted - 2012.02.08 20:54:00 - [30] - Quote I gave a cheap Tengu PVE setup. Sure it is stupidly overtanked, sure to make it cap stable I have sacrificed DPS but it does what was asked to by the author of this thread. It will never be suicide ganked unless it's done for ***** and giggles, It easily does level 4 missions so come up with a fit as cheap that does all of the above without mods that are on contracts for 50 mil a pop!

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