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Ph0enix
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Posted - 2004.03.14 22:37:00 -
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On behalf of Oracle, i would like to announce our retraction of the war with Gradient. After careful consideration, we have decided that a war against fellow Minmatar brothers would be a costly affair where neither party would benefit. both our resources are best spent in continuing the fight against slavery, and we are willing to putting our differences aside.
we shall therefore retract the war as soon as it is officially declared, on the proviso that Gradient cease slanderous comments about Oracle on the forums and in-game.
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Tyto
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Posted - 2004.03.15 00:23:00 -
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Truly a new era is dawning for the Tribes. I thank Matar for this developement and the wisdom it shows.
"Dulce Bellum Inexpertis"
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Naz Farooq
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Posted - 2004.03.15 01:31:00 -
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Aye. It is said that the smallest child may draw a sword, yet the greatest warrior may be unable to lay it to rest. I greatly honour the strength shown by Oracle today.
Sure, everyone supports saving Einstein's brain, but when you put it in the body of a Great White Shark, suddenly you've "gone too far". |
bl3ach
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Posted - 2004.03.15 01:50:00 -
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A bold and noble action my brothers in Oracle.
I hope that both sides in this unfortunate dispute see this as an opertunity to let by gones be by gones and can foster a friendlier and more productive relationship.
For the sake of the shining light of Matar and her people let us consign this is the past.
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Viqer Fell
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Posted - 2004.03.15 01:50:00 -
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A pleasing resolution to say the least.
Ok, so what the hell is this Golden Ratio? |
Kilhu Emmek
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Posted - 2004.03.15 03:20:00 -
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We were neither contacted nor sought contact regarding Oracle's as yet undeclared war. We were not presented with conditions or provisos, and we've agreed to abide by none.
As free Minmatar, we hold sacred our right to speak our minds, and will not be cowed by violence or threats of violence. We will continue to call for greater accountability and we will continue to condemn violence against Minmatar regardless of its origin.
Oracle declared war for their own reasons, and Oracle may retract it for their own reasons.
That said, we welcome any move that leads to greater strength among the Minmatar community, and view this as a wise move on Oracle's part. We look forward to working with all of our Minmatar brothers in building a stronger Republic.
Gradient is hiring. Read our Code of Conduct before applying.
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Naz Farooq
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Posted - 2004.03.15 03:21:00 -
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Brother Kilhu, tho I respect your freedom to speak your mind and acknowledge the truth in your words, I do wish you had chosen a more diplomatic tone. Let us focus on the call to strength and unity between the tribes of Matar, and end this ceaseless bickering.
Sure, everyone supports saving Einstein's brain, but when you put it in the body of a Great White Shark, suddenly you've "gone too far". |
TOONA
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Posted - 2004.03.15 05:17:00 -
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Quote: Let us focus on the call to strength and unity between the tribes of Matar, and end this ceaseless bickering.
I am TOONA |
Pulgor
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Posted - 2004.03.15 05:39:00 -
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Edited by: Pulgor on 15/03/2004 05:39:53
Quote: Let us focus on the call to strength and unity between the tribes of Matar, and end this ceaseless bickering.
That would be a good start. -----------------------------------
Pulgor --- In service to Saram. Visit the Ammatar channel ingame!
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Ph0enix
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Posted - 2004.03.15 09:39:00 -
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Kilhu Emmek, i would watch your step if i was you. the war has not yet been retracted, and if you do not agree to stop slandering our tribe so openly and vicously we may be forced to carry it on.
you have been warned.
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Mikhayl Ruzhyo
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Posted - 2004.03.15 10:09:00 -
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I cannot quite find to what you are referring? I cannot evidence of such slander.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.03.15 10:10:00 -
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Refreshing to know your aggressive tendencies have not yet been curbed.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Golan Trevize
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Posted - 2004.03.15 10:37:00 -
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From:TES Indestructable Apocalypse class Location:Amarr Orbit. Commanding officer:Admiral Trevize.
***Bald slaver Admiral appears on holocomm***
Ah what a disappointment, i had looked forward to cleaning up after this mess, my legionaires where eager to march through your bases and strongholds crushing any opposition alive after your infighting.
***Bald slaver admiral laughes***
But i guess that would just be to easy , PIE has never choosen the easy path so why should we now, i place my faith in God and our new wonder weapons the Malediction interceptor the "B-machine" and off course the heroic self sacrifice of our pilots.
***Evil Admiral points to a strange looking B-Machine***
Minmatars listen to reason!!, your cause is a lost one why spill more blood, why this bitter strife amongst your selves??, your leaders have clearly shown their incompetence to lead you here!!. Surrender to Amarr and most of you will be spared, i promise i will use every bit of influence i have in the Imperial administration to convince them to show you leniency.
***Bald Admiral smiles sinisterly***¿
Transmission ends.........
The Gallente ideals of Freedom, Liberty and Equality will be met by the Amarr realities of Lasers, Armor and Battleships. |
Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2004.03.15 12:00:00 -
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Quote: Ah what a disappointment, i had looked forward to cleaning up after this mess, my legionaires where eager to march through your bases and strongholds crushing any opposition alive after your infighting.
Brothers, this is precicely why this war cannot come to pass. Restrict your disagreements to words in forums such as these and save your ammo for when it counts. The defence of our people from those that would enslave them.
A hand of diplomacy has been extended from each side brothers. It is important that you not slap it away at the last second otherwise the Amarr would surely eat us alive when all is done. ------
Analysis[Ceasefire]....Complete - 'Term given to the act of firing, causing the ceasation of the life it is directed at |
Kilhu Emmek
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Posted - 2004.03.15 19:40:00 -
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Quote: Brother Kilhu, tho I respect your freedom to speak your mind and acknowledge the truth in your words, I do wish you had chosen a more diplomatic tone.
Mr. Farooq,
I have nothing but respect for your efforts towards unity and solidarity among the Minmatar, and I apologize for any affront my words caused you.
Gradient is hiring. Read our Code of Conduct before applying.
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Mikhayl Ruzhyo
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Posted - 2004.03.15 20:03:00 -
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I heartily respect your decision for peace and I hope it ensures your continued freedom.
We Intaki are hopefully poised to achieve some form of self-autonomy ourselves.
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Naz Farooq
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Posted - 2004.03.15 20:14:00 -
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Quote: Kilhu Emmek, i would watch your step if i was you. the war has not yet been retracted, and if you do not agree to stop slandering our tribe so openly and vicously we may be forced to carry it on.
you have been warned.
Brother Ph0enix, I grow tired of this ceaseless bickering. Gradient will not fight our Minmatar brothers and sisters and will not be cowed into silence from threats of violence. If Oracle wants to come to Pator and kill unarmed Gradient members, give the word and we will assemble in peaceful protest. Otherwise, please stop these baseless accusations of slander and constant threats of violence. Peace is the goal, can we not simply make it so, and resolve to respect one anothers views?
Sure, everyone supports saving Einstein's brain, but when you put it in the body of a Great White Shark, suddenly you've "gone too far". |
Martika
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Posted - 2004.03.15 23:20:00 -
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Edited by: Martika on 15/03/2004 23:21:55 Again, there is no need for Minmatar to murder Minmatar. Not when there are so many of our people being needlesly murdered by the Amarr daily.
Our fight should be against them. Our anger better served against them. Our ability to bind together as brethren against them.
We do not slander Oracle. What we have said, and continue to say is nothing that Oracle has not allready admitted to, countless times.
We wish for our brothers and sisters of all tribes and corporations to cease the murder of our people.
Our voices shall not be muted by war or death. If necessary our clones will carry on in our stead. Spreading the word that Minmatar still murder Minmatar out of nothing more than differnces of opinion.
For us to free our brothers and sisters we must be united, we must be strong, and we must stop murdering our brothers and sisters.
This is why Gradient is under fire. Not because we are cowards, not because we lie, nor slander.
We are under fire because our opinion is not shared by all.
For our brothers and sisters still under the evil thumb of the Amarr, cease these hostilities, unite, and bring them the freedom we share.
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Dagoth IronJaw
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Posted - 2004.03.15 23:27:00 -
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Edited by: Dagoth IronJaw on 15/03/2004 23:29:33 Siblings,
It comes as pleasing news that the war will finish before it began, but we seem to have done a full circle.
We started with bickering, slander and provocation FROM BOTH SIDES, this escalated to insults and threats, the nearly to war.
My brothers and sisters the bickering has restarted. I, as a PFM (a neutral party in this issue) member and as a loyalist to my people (not the government) call for this matter to be dropped entirely, lest it escalate again.
It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2004.03.15 23:33:00 -
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I don't know if they'll be so willing to drop the issue. Past experiance with Minmatar reveal that they tend to only drop an issue when one or the other debators corpse falls.
I recommend you have a deathmatch, you know it's the only way. -----------------------------------
Pulgor --- In service to Saram. Visit the Ammatar channel ingame!
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Kilhu Emmek
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Posted - 2004.03.15 23:47:00 -
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Quote: I recommend you have a deathmatch, you know it's the only way.
You've been a self-proclaimed Ammatar for less than a standard week and you're already encouraging Minmatar to kill each other.
Your masters must be pleased.
Gradient is hiring. Read our Code of Conduct before applying.
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2004.03.16 00:18:00 -
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Atleast I'm trying to help you solve these problems. -----------------------------------
Pulgor --- In service to Saram. Visit the Ammatar channel ingame!
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Dagoth IronJaw
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Posted - 2004.03.16 17:44:00 -
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You are an Ammatar, you have no business with our corporations, our tribes, or our Republic, Deathmatches are not a way to solve this issue, although it may give you and your kind some entertainment.
My request stands, please speak no more of your feud
It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
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Asimir Kurdugal
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Posted - 2004.03.17 02:39:00 -
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Quote: Peace is the goal, can we not simply make it so, and resolve to respect one anothers views?
Peace is easily obtained, and is in fact, not the goal. If you and yours seek only a peace then you are dead weight, dragging any hope of achievement into the abyss along with yourselves.
It is a long established fact that words don't free slaves. In fact the only account of an Amarr freeing slaves under any other conditions besides that of looking down the barrel of a gun that I can remember was when the new emperor freed some number as a gesture. Allow me to remind you that many of those freed died a short time later from Vitoc withdrawl.
Those Minmatar who choose to stand in the way of those who achieve and act should take their place along side the Ammatar and take a more pro-active role in retarding the progress made by the Minmatar people.
I used to catagorize our plight as a people as a struggle. I see now that is not true. This is a war. Reason and diplomacy have failed, and failed again. Sacrifices are made during times of war. If you are unable, or unwilling, to make those sacrifices then please, give your ship to someone who is. We'll be gald to have them.
________________________________________________ Moving again, comfort of the chase Now and again, this my saving grace Dead on the inside, I've got nothing to prove Keep me alive and give me something to lose I've been gone so long, but I will come back I will come back for you |
Pulgor
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Posted - 2004.03.17 03:05:00 -
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Quote:
Those Minmatar who choose to stand in the way of those who achieve and act should take their place along side the Ammatar and take a more pro-active role in retarding the progress made by the Minmatar people.
Well said, because you're a traitor if you're not blasting Amarrians every second of your life.
Well, granted we can't retard progress that isn't there but we can certainly can try to help you see in the error in your ways. It must be working if you're starting to realize that you brand anyone who dosn't blast Amarr's a traitor.
I'm finally glad a Minmatar realizes this, you get a free mask =P -----------------------------------
Pulgor --- In service to Saram. Visit the Ammatar channel ingame!
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Asimir Kurdugal
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Posted - 2004.03.17 03:44:00 -
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Quote: Well, granted we can't retard progress that isn't there but we can certainly can try to help you see in the error in your ways. It must be working if you're starting to realize that you brand anyone who dosn't blast Amarr's a traitor.
I dont think the word "traitor" was used once in my previous statement. Allow me to simplify for you.
If any Minmatar does not want to take up the fight (and it is a fight) that is their choice and they will recieve no tounge lashing from me. However, if they want to sit on the sidelines and make life difficult for those who choose to put their lives on the line they will be lucky if a tounge lashing is all they recieve.
________________________________________________ Moving again, comfort of the chase Now and again, this my saving grace Dead on the inside, I've got nothing to prove Keep me alive and give me something to lose I've been gone so long, but I will come back I will come back for you |
Pulgor
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Posted - 2004.03.17 03:54:00 -
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Quote:
Peace is easily obtained, and is in fact, not the goal. If you and yours seek only a peace then you are dead weight, dragging any hope of achievement into the abyss along with yourselves.
Sacrifices are made during times of war. If you are unable, or unwilling, to make those sacrifices then please, give your ship to someone who is. We'll be gald to have them.
This appears to translate to me as: "If you're not actively killing Amarr scum, then you're dead weight and should turn your assets over to someone who will use them to kill Amarr scum and promptly cancel your flight license."
Am I mis-interpreting this? -----------------------------------
Pulgor --- In service to Saram. Visit the Ammatar channel ingame!
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Asimir Kurdugal
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Posted - 2004.03.17 03:59:00 -
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No. Except for the Amarr scum bit. I take just as much pleasure in sending a Minmatar slave runner into the next life as I do Amarrian. Slavery is the enemy, not the Amarr.
________________________________________________ Moving again, comfort of the chase Now and again, this my saving grace Dead on the inside, I've got nothing to prove Keep me alive and give me something to lose I've been gone so long, but I will come back I will come back for you |
Pulgor
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Posted - 2004.03.17 05:18:00 -
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Thank you, then my work here is done.
You can expect your free Amarr mask in 6-8 weeks =P -----------------------------------
Pulgor --- In service to Saram. Visit the Ammatar channel ingame!
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