Originally by: Ungdall

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Edited by: Ungdall on 19/12/2007 04:33:47
edit; wrong thread

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Originally by: Ungdall

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Originally by: Major Donkage

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Originally by: Ungdall

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Edited by: Ungdall on 19/12/2007 04:33:47
edit; wrong thread

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look how stupid u r

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"A fool who learns from his doings wrong, stays not a fool for very long"~Unknown. I'll learn from this mistake, just as goons have learned from their mistakes. You see we have repented our rude, gnashing ways. EVE is a much funner pace when we fight for love, not hate.

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Originally by: Zhukkivah

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Furthermore,

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Originally by: Althair Erin

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Expanding on my previous post wherein I suggested that...

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Originally by: Dafuzz

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Originally by: Althair Erin

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Please stay on-topic. This is a serious topic, and even though your posts are welcome to involve a light-hearted element we need to preserve our purpose if we want this discussion to continue.

Expanding on my previous post wherein I suggested that guided tours of our space may offer a unique opportunity to others, I would like to hear from other alliances and corporations about what sort of unique experiences they might be willing to offer. If we could set up a variety of mutually interacting programs, we might be able to foster greater inter-alliance communication, which has always been the goal of this thread.

Let's take for example the concept of fostering children with your allies, or even your enemies. What if we did a pilot exchange program, so that we could learn more about the ways in which our friends and opponents operated? Of course some security measures would need to be taken, but I think this is an incredible concept, and the only thing that's needed to put it into reality is your participation. Can you see how much fun this would be? Additionally, the amount of cultural information the 'fostered' pilot would bring back would help all alliances to understand each other better.

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Instead of fostering children, which leaves out certain elements crucial to space-faring fun, can we not *****pillage and loot, sowing our seeds randomly and impregnating the enemy females instead?

Tell Mittens you most definitely win the contest.

So sayeth Dafuzz, appointer of Two Beans for CAOD King and Frank Frank his Court Jester.

Frank and Beans 2008

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Originally by: Ungdall

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Oh Fuzzy, how dearly you kick and scream as we draw you ever closer to out maws of joy and love. You have no choice, yet you resist the love. Embrace the Love. Embrace Us.

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Originally by: Ungdall

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fffffffff my fat little goon fingers have been misspelling things throughout this entire thread, and firefox doesn't catch a lick of it since it's not misspelled, but misused.

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Originally by: Jhyme

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Originally by: Althair Erin

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Originally by: Jhyme

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I disagree with the OP. Part of the fun in PvP warfare is cultivating a "healthy" hatred for your opponent. This makes any sense of victory more enjoyable. However, keep in mind that hatred doesn't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive with respect.

Best,
Jhyme

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I held off on addressing this question for a while, because the issue is a really huge one- maybe the most important for us to try and grapple with inside the discussion we've framed so far. How do we reconcile the fact that a healthy feeling of competition is important, while keeping in mind the need to be fair and kind to our opponents?

I don't know if hatred is the right word to use here. For my part, I'll stick with 'competitiveness' until a better term appears. I'm not sure if hatred can play a constructive role.

I'm glad you point out that we can be opposing each other and still experience respectful feelings. It's exactly that sentiment that's inspired a lot of my ideas so far- like protected tours of the wonders of 0.0 space (I'd go on one), and pilot 'fostering' programs.

EVE is a cultural experience- have we reflected on that enough? The players come from many different countries, speaking many different languages, and everything is filtered through a world of spaceships and lasers. It's a totally unique opportunity. You can say "I didn't just get an experience of making a German/Russian/British/Chinese/Indian/etc friend, I got to experience making an international friend in space!"

Jhyme, and everyone- what do you feel the most effective techniques are for creating an EVE where we experience respect for each other even during competition?

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I think the answer lies in how you interpret "smacktalking". In some professional sports, such as wrestling/boxing, smacktalking is an institutionally sanctioned event. The telecasters show snippets of the wrestlers/boxers talking trash to one another before fights. This effectively raises the stakes in the wrestling/boxing match-up, and makes the upcoming fight more entertaining. Sports teams, whether it's professional or college sports, has a set of fans that also engage in variations of smacking.

Now compare this to politics. Smacking here often involves mud-slinging and personal attacks. Propaganda isn't aimed at trying to raise the stakes on a particular outcome, but to cut down the opponent independent of whatever outcome occurs.

EVE has both. Over time, some alliances have developed the norm that smacking is negative, and consider a smack-free fight an honorable fight. However, I posit that smacking can be respectful as long as it's non-personal, and kept in the spirit of professional sports-- where there are no politics. Whoever loses the outcome should accept defeat and humiliation. This is a system that promotes competition, as the stakes are raised by smacking. Respect isn't necessarily something that is earned before the fight, it is a relationship between the winner and loser afterwards. If political-oriented or personal propaganda tries to mitigate the roles of winner and loser, creating win-win or lose-lose situations, there can be no respect.

tl;dr : Politics is the culprit.

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