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Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2007.12.21 11:16:00 - [31] Gold/ISK selling is wrong because it provides an advantage to whoever has the most money. If ISK selling was legalised, who knows how many people would start buying? ISK is at what now - $3 per 100mil? It's ridiculously cheap (I earn 3 times that in an hour by working yet it would take me a day of grinding L4s to get the same in EVE) and the only thing stopping people buying it is the fact they'll get banned. Yes there's always going to be the argument that people with less time that have to work etc don't have time to make ISK, but that dosen't excuse the fact that someone who's rich (software dev) is getting a serious advantage over someone who's poor. (burger flipper) With current ISK prices you could buy yourself a Titan for a mere $2000. To some people that's not even a month of work, to people who play the game it's a coordinated alliance effort taking many months and easily hundreds of players. It simply isn't a fair system. -----
Kayna Eelai Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.12.21 12:18:00 - [32] Originally by: Rialtor Someone paid real money, and spent real time WRONG they use macros to farm that gold. and besides, this affects the game even more than just with "too much gold available", just as an example: try doing some quests in nagrand... depending on your server it will be IMPOSSIBLE to get the kills/items you need for a quest, as there are around 50 macro farmers swarming the place. fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.12.21 13:01:00 - [33] Originally by: Kayna Eelai Originally by: Rialtor Someone paid real money, and spent real time WRONG they use macros to farm that gold. and besides, this affects the game even more than just with "too much gold available", just as an example: try doing some quests in nagrand... depending on your server it will be IMPOSSIBLE to get the kills/items you need for a quest, as there are around 50 macro farmers swarming the place. And as a result, I'm betting that Clefthide leather is dirt cheap. Not only does it inconvenience other players, it hurts their bottom line. This requires that they either work harder to get less, or buy gold, perpetuating the cycle.
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Empire Research	Posted - 2007.12.21 13:29:00 - [34] You should see what Jagex has done to Runescape. They completley ruined it for what it was. Now there's no point in trading because it's useless. _____________________________ Thorek Ironbrow of Ironbrow Industries Co. Part of the Empire Research Alliance Look us up in Nomaa or Itamo to join!
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.21 16:27:00 - [35] Originally by: Kayna Eelai they use macros to farm that gold. So what does that have to do with people selling gold? that's a whole other issue. If gold selling was banned, and macroing was allowed...the economy would still be ruined. Gold selling ruins nothing...inflation ruins the economy not the xfer of currencies. People would still use macros if they couldn't sell it just to get an advantage in the game. So don't argue against gold selling, argue against the ability to create a macro, or the ability to rapidly get gold without sufficient bounds. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.21 16:33:00 - [36] Originally by: Blizzard Senior Commander we shall fight on the shards and realms, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength aboard our epic mounts, we shall defend our Servers, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the PvP zones, we shall fight on the forums, we shall fight in the noob fields, we shall fight in the internets; we shall never surrender, Serious stuff war with Gold Farmers. ~Nyron Originally by: SoftRevolution Not liking Haruhi is like not liking puppies or rainbows or whisky.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.12.21 16:38:00 - [37] Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Blizzard Senior Commander we shall fight on the shards and realms, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength aboard our epic mounts, we shall defend our Servers, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the PvP zones, we shall fight on the forums, we shall fight in the noob fields, we shall fight in the internets; we shall never surrender, Serious stuff war with Gold Farmers. Shards, how quaint. ---------------- Tarminic - 30 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.76.2
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.21 16:41:00 - [38] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Gold/ISK selling is wrong because it provides an advantage to whoever has the most money. If ISK selling was legalised, who knows how many people would start buying? ISK is at what now - $3 per 100mil? It's ridiculously cheap (I earn 3 times that in an hour by working yet it would take me a day of grinding L4s to get the same in EVE) and the only thing stopping people buying it is the fact they'll get banned. Yes there's always going to be the argument that people with less time that have to work etc don't have time to make ISK, but that dosen't excuse the fact that someone who's rich (software dev) is getting a serious advantage over someone who's poor. (burger flipper) With current ISK prices you could buy yourself a Titan for a mere $2000. To some people that's not even a month of work, to people who play the game it's a coordinated alliance effort taking many months and easily hundreds of players. It simply isn't a fair system. Most people don't buy in-game currency because it's lame. That's the number one reason people don't buy game items. Most view it as something a lamer would do. No offense to people that do buy that stuff, but that's the perception and that's the only thing stopping most people. I bet half the player base doesn't even know it's against EULA. And they don't care, cause it's not something they would do anyway. In fact while it's illegal to sell ISK, it's legal to buy GTCs and sell for ISK. So it is legal to buy ISK with Real money, and yet as the economist stated it's irrelevant to the overall picture. And as far as fairness, someone that started this game 2-3 years ago has a major advantage over me. I've been playing for like 6-7 months now, a rather long time for an MMO. Yet the GAP is still huge by a wide margin to someone compared with someone that's 2-3 years old. That's more unfair than anything else really that Time plays such a huge factor. Also what about multiple accounts? Isn't that a way bigger advantage than selling ISK? of course it is but no one talks about that since most people do it. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.12.21 16:46:00 - [39] Originally by: Rialtor Also what about multiple accounts? Isn't that a way bigger advantage than selling ISK? of course it is but no one talks about that since most people do it. Actually, according to CCP less than 25% of players have second accounts. Most of those that do, however, are also the ones that post in the forums so the perception is that there are much more of them. ---------------- Tarminic - 30 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.76.2
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.21 16:50:00 - [40] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Rialtor Also what about multiple accounts? Isn't that a way bigger advantage than selling ISK? of course it is but no one talks about that since most people do it. Actually, according to CCP less than 25% of players have second accounts. Most of those that do, however, are also the ones that post in the forums so the perception is that there are much more of them. ok I stand corrected, maybe not most but 1/4 is alot. I'm sure it's significantly higher than people that buy ISK. And imo it's a much much bigger advantage. I don't care what kind of setup you have on your ship, another body is infinitely more valuable. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Dirtball PinK TacO Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.22 01:06:00 - [41] Edited by: Dirtball on 22/12/2007 01:08:59 i bought a dwarf priest for $210 from IGE a year or 2 ago. i think all the current blizzard stuff is some "we're all high and mighty" marketing bull****
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.12.22 13:53:00 - [42] YEAH! Legalize ISK Selling!!! I'll be RICH!!!! Hate Farmers? Click Here
Araxmas The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2007.12.22 14:14:00 - [43] Originally by: Rialtor Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Rialtor Also what about multiple accounts? Isn't that a way bigger advantage than selling ISK? of course it is but no one talks about that since most people do it. Actually, according to CCP less than 25% of players have second accounts. Most of those that do, however, are also the ones that post in the forums so the perception is that there are much more of them. ok I stand corrected, maybe not most but 1/4 is alot. I'm sure it's significantly higher than people that buy ISK. And imo it's a much much bigger advantage. I don't care what kind of setup you have on your ship, another body is infinitely more valuable. A second account you still need to spend your time on for it to become good/rich.etc When you buy "gold" your not spending your time getting that gold your just buying it using the real world. Tis one reason why GTC imo is a bit fubar but I suppose you might aswell regulate it because no-matter what, real world trading will exist pretty much. -------- The Derek Quote Pyramid
Jack Reznor	Posted - 2007.12.22 21:44:00 - [44] As the game environment increasingly mirrors and comes close to real life, so we get real life problems constantly rearing their ugly heads. Where will it all end? Just wondered.
Monczeli Faolain	Posted - 2007.12.23 02:01:00 - [45] Originally by: Araxmas A second account you still need to spend your time on for it to become good/rich.etc When you buy "gold" your not spending your time getting that gold your just buying it using the real world. Tis one reason why GTC imo is a bit fubar but I suppose you might aswell regulate it because no-matter what, real world trading will exist pretty much. But if you adopt the adage that time is money, it seems a bit spurious to suggest that those with the luxury of time deserve more reward than those with the luxury of money, especially since those with time get their rewards by playing (even if it can seem like work sometimes, it's still a game), while those with money generally get their rewards by working (except in the case of using Daddy's credit card, but whatever). I'm not sure I actually believe that: My gut instinct is towards in-game purism without real world trading. Nevertheless, it's another angle to look at.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2007.12.23 02:09:00 - [46] Originally by: Blizzard Senior Commander we shall fight on the shards and realms, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength aboard our epic mounts, we shall defend our Servers, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the PvP zones, we shall fight on the forums, we shall fight in the noob fields, we shall fight in the internets; we shall never surrender, stabs /me agrees with the high and mighty marketing stuff and doubts blizzard is actually going to really change anything.

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