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Ambani Gallente Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.21 09:38:00 - [1] 1. Scout scans ahead. 2. <In low sec> Scout to scan behind you as well <as much as possible. Can't do if you are in a multi-gate system> 3. Freighter has the multi-item courier<1000's of single trit, 1000's of bookmarks etc.> in it. 4. A griffin to web and speed you on your way right after decloak. 5. Freighter pilot also listens for the cargo scanning sound. 6. Just in case there are more BS's that warp in, the scout shoots the griffin to get concord there before freighter uncloak. So 4 people working together - is this an ungankable setup? If this is not, then we have an issue in this game. Worst case, yes I will shoot the freighter wreck if I still get ganked, but that is not a solution. Just a patch up. No I don't fly freighters - but I want to. I have been in recent interesting threads about these - so, lets say I am paranoid:) Meet Eve's most paranoid carebear - Ambani!
Sha4d13	Posted - 2007.12.21 09:42:00 - [2] I havent used heavy dictors myself yet... but presumably one cloaked heavy dictor could spoil your plan.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.21 09:47:00 - [3] Originally by: Ambani So 4 people working together - is this an ungankable setup? If this is not, then we have an issue in this game. Incorrect. No number of people should be unstoppable. Especially only 4. But it should be damn hard to stop. - DesuSigs
Ambani Gallente Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.21 09:53:00 - [4] Originally by: Sha4d13 I havent used heavy dictors myself yet... but presumably one cloaked heavy dictor could spoil your plan. we are talking about high sec and freighters. How does a HIC affect this? Meet Eve's most paranoid carebear - Ambani!
Ambani Gallente Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.21 09:54:00 - [5] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Ambani So 4 people working together - is this an ungankable setup? If this is not, then we have an issue in this game. Incorrect. No number of people should be unstoppable. Especially only 4. But it should be damn hard to stop. I am talking about action and possible reactions. The gankers have a lot of co-ordination to do, and so do I. Try posing this question in your alliance and let me know of the answer. "Anybody interested in freighter escort for 25 jumps?" At least the gankstas get to watch pretty explosions. Meet Eve's most paranoid carebear - Ambani!
Sha4d13	Posted - 2007.12.21 10:34:00 - [6] Edited by: Sha4d13 on 21/12/2007 10:36:39 Edited by: Sha4d13 on 21/12/2007 10:35:43 Typical smaskill noob. We are talking about low sec. Back to the OP... Certainly not invincible. What happens if a gang arrive in system whilst your freighter is in a vvery slow warp? They can beat you to a gate, tackle on one side- jump through to the other etc. No matter how quickly the webber helps you to warp, it wont speed your allignment. All they need is one point. In high sec- it would be tough (but not impossible) to get. In low sec- very vulnerable.
Ambani Gallente Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.21 11:08:00 - [7] Edited by: Ambani on 21/12/2007 11:08:35 Originally by: Sha4d13 Edited by: Sha4d13 on 21/12/2007 10:36:39 Edited by: Sha4d13 on 21/12/2007 10:35:43 Typical smaskill noob. We are talking about low sec. Back to the OP... Certainly not invincible. What happens if a gang arrive in system whilst your freighter is in a vvery slow warp? They can beat you to a gate, tackle on one side- jump through to the other etc. No matter how quickly the webber helps you to warp, it wont speed your allignment. All they need is one point. In high sec- it would be tough (but not impossible) to get. In low sec- very vulnerable. Typical nameless alt :p That is BS - just means you have never seen / escorted a freighter. A freighter coming out of cloak from gate, IS ALWAYS pre-aligned to your dream destination. So it is just a matter of 3-5 seconds to warp, IF you have a webber. also your jumping through and tackling etc. logic would be wtfbbqpwned in highsec - since the freighter pilot can decide to jump through to other side or not - and you will need double the ganking force <half on each side>. If someone brings in a 50 man gank group for ganking my freighter and is able to hoodwink my two scouts, all power to them - they deserve the freighter gank. I am just worried about the cheap ganks with 10 bs. In the 10 bs case, a load of trit & pyerite can be successfully ganked - which worries me. I am the OP - and no, I was talking about Highsec. Sorry for not mentioning that in OP though. Meet Eve's most paranoid carebear - Ambani!
Sha4d13	Posted - 2007.12.21 11:15:00 - [8] The OP specifically mentioned low sec you nub. My main is with the Chruch btw- Im just not logged in with it on the forums. I have escorted freighters with Ghosts of Retribution, KOS, Maelstrom, BOB...
Ambani Gallente Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.21 11:20:00 - [9] gah - pwned by a spelling mistake. I wanted the point 2 to be If Low sec. corrected now.. But my point about almost-insta-warp remains - if you have a webber. Low-sec freightering - totally different story. Meet Eve's most paranoid carebear - Ambani!
Agor Dirdonen	Posted - 2007.12.21 11:57:00 - [10] Originally by: Ambani Typical nameless alt :p That is BS - just means you have never seen / escorted a freighter. A freighter coming out of cloak from gate, IS ALWAYS pre-aligned to your dream destination. So it is just a matter of 3-5 seconds to warp, IF you have a webber. yes, you can web a freighter the moment it uncloaks when your webber is in range Worst case, he ends up 30km away from the freighter and has to speed towards it. At the same time the gankers can decide to pop the webbing frig before he's in range of the freighter. This assumes that the gankers know about the webber and how you use him.
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2007.12.21 12:01:00 - [11] The length of time it takes for a freighter to warp is the length of time it takes to get a web on it. Short of shooting the ship that's webbing it first, the freighter will be gone well before anything can put a point on it, esp if you have 2-3 sensor boosters on a huginn, most people won't even know it's there before it's gone. 0.0/lowsec long warps can be a hazzard, but highsec the only dangerous spot if you have a webber is if you black out on undock and get ganked before you load (web trick also does not work on undock, since you are not aligned, but you ARE always aligned when you jump (0m/s velocity = aligned in all directions)
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2007.12.21 12:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Agor Dirdonen yes, you can web a freighter the moment it uncloaks when your webber is in range Worst case, he ends up 30km away from the freighter and has to speed towards it. At the same time the gankers can decide to pop the webbing frig before he's in range of the freighter. This assumes that the gankers know about the webber and how you use him. A normal T2 / T1 web on a huginn with recon IV has 33km range before any gang bonuses, if the huginn is on the gate that the freighter decloaks on, it will guaranteed be in range when it decloaks. It doesn't need to speed anywhere, just lock (sensor boosters for best speed), and then it's away. A few shield extenders on it make it hard to gank before it can do its job. (Though you could try and damp it etc) But to be sure you'd have to start shooting at it before the freighter decloaked, which for 0.0/lowsec isn't hard, but highsec means concord will be on their way even before the freighter decloaks.
MrBadidea Caldari Applied Eugenics Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.12.21 13:25:00 - [13] Originally by: Sha4d13 Edited by: Sha4d13 on 21/12/2007 10:36:39 Edited by: Sha4d13 on 21/12/2007 10:35:43 Typical smaskill noob. We are talking about low sec. Back to the OP... Certainly not invincible. What happens if a gang arrive in system whilst your freighter is in a vvery slow warp? They can beat you to a gate, tackle on one side- jump through to the other etc. No matter how quickly the webber helps you to warp, it wont speed your allignment. All they need is one point. In high sec- it would be tough (but not impossible) to get. In low sec- very vulnerable. Done correctly, you can web a freighter as soon as its cloak drops and it WILL instawarp. You'd have however long it takes the freighters instawarpwebship to lock the freighter, to get a point on it. --- MrBadidea's ePeen strikes YOUR EGO Wrecking for EMOCIDE
Mannakin Caldari Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.21 13:55:00 - [14] Hugin or Rapier for webbing, an inty is a pain to do it in. Take a domi with 5 heavy armour rep drones (and replacements!) Got my CEOs freighter jumped in 0.0 when I was escorting in my Eos and alt in an inty (a bit risky to be sure). CEO got out of the fight early due to me driving the reds away from him, then I survived till some reinforcements came. It was the best fight I've had for ages Eos/inty vs Rapier/Arazu/Ishtar Lost my inty but the Eos was great (this was pre-Trinity). I got 2 of the ships into structure I think and the re-inforcements popped the rapier before he could escape.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.21 14:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Ambani Originally by: Sha4d13 I havent used heavy dictors myself yet... but presumably one cloaked heavy dictor could spoil your plan. we are talking about high sec and freighters. How does a HIC affect this? focussed infiniwarp point with omfgtank = ohsnap. --- planetary interaction idea!
myspace spacegirl	Posted - 2007.12.21 14:06:00 - [16] generaly this topic is stupid, most ganks are done to people flying afk! and if you have a scout AND some1 webbing you then your even less likely to get ganked. lets be honist people ganking you cant be that clever about it! so unless your war deced then your pritty safe!
Vek NaVek	Posted - 2007.12.21 14:08:00 - [17] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Ambani Originally by: Sha4d13 I havent used heavy dictors myself yet... but presumably one cloaked heavy dictor could spoil your plan. we are talking about high sec and freighters. How does a HIC affect this? focussed infiniwarp point with omfgtank = ohsnap. Yea, damn those stabed freighters
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.21 16:19:00 - [18] Originally by: Ambani So 4 people working together - is this an ungankable setup? If this is not, then we have an issue in this game. If he flies through high sec we have a huge issue in this game if the freighter cannot travel safely autopiloting afk alone.
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.21 16:47:00 - [19] Originally by: Kolmogorow Originally by: Ambani So 4 people working together - is this an ungankable setup? If this is not, then we have an issue in this game. If he flies through high sec we have a huge issue in this game if the freighter cannot travel safely autopiloting afk alone. Huh? Not sure if you meant that or if it's a typo of some sort. Flying AFK on autopilot should NEVER be 100% safe, not even in highsec, regardless of what ship you're in. ________________________________________________________________ Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
Sigma Six	Posted - 2007.12.21 18:12:00 - [20] How does this webbing business work? How does it make you align or warp faster?
Ambani Gallente Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.21 23:26:00 - [21] hmm got a lot of info for High-sec freightering - summarizing: 1. This OP is as good as it gets 2. Huginn / Rapier for webbing increases your chances to near infinity. - even if they pop this ship, concord will be there. 3. be very careful about undock though - keep your suicider alts around to get concord there if lots of bs warp in. Low sec/0.0: 1. you can get ganked if they follow you and tackle you on the gate. 2. Even over here, webbers increase your chances. 3. Get a good escort! Also don't jump in a freighter into a low sec sys with lots of reds. <with any reds, if you don't have escort> One thing I have not seen is the aggro you get by webbing. If it was me, I won't use the webber unless absolutely necessary. thanks for a fruitful discussion folks - if only someone can sticky this for future freighter pilots... Meet Eve's most paranoid carebear - Ambani!
Eval B'Stard Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.12.21 23:36:00 - [22] Originally by: Sigma Six How does this webbing business work? How does it make you align or warp faster? Basically when webbed you Acceleration remains the same but your TOP speed is reduced therefore you hit warp speed faster (doesn't take as long to reach 3/4 speed to initiate warp) ------------------------------------------- When we gonna see the 40km and 80km tractor beams ?
Steakkbone Helios Incorporated Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.21 23:39:00 - [23] More like freighter logs off before agro and disappears while your killing it.
Billy Sastard Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.	Posted - 2007.12.21 23:53:00 - [24] Originally by: Steakkbone More like freighter logs off before agro and disappears while your killing it. XD -=^=-
Jonny JoJo Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.12.21 23:59:00 - [25] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 22/12/2007 00:00:54 Webbing Freightors got nerfed in Trinity - SO YOU CANNOT WEB THEM TO INSTAWARP. You can, however, web them to slow them down and to give them aggro. Not exactly clever anymore. But let me repeat - The Web mechanics have changed so Instawarping freightors no longer exist. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Franga NQX Innovations Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.22 00:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 22/12/2007 00:00:54 Webbing Freightors got nerfed in Trinity - SO YOU CANNOT WEB THEM TO INSTAWARP. You can, however, web them to slow them down and to give them aggro. Not exactly clever anymore. But let me repeat - The Web mechanics have changed so Instawarping freightors no longer exist. O rly? That sucks. _____________________________ Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
Ambani Gallente Infinitus Morti R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.22 00:18:00 - [27] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 22/12/2007 00:00:54 Webbing Freightors got nerfed in Trinity - SO YOU CANNOT WEB THEM TO INSTAWARP. You can, however, web them to slow them down and to give them aggro. Not exactly clever anymore. But let me repeat - The Web mechanics have changed so Instawarping freightors no longer exist. NO. It still works like a charm, just got a corpie to test it. Meet Eve's most paranoid carebear - Ambani!
chapter13	Posted - 2007.12.22 21:47:00 - [28] .... thousands of bookmarks? what the hell for?
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.12.22 22:47:00 - [29] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 22/12/2007 00:00:54 Webbing Freightors got nerfed in Trinity - SO YOU CANNOT WEB THEM TO INSTAWARP. News to me since I did it two days ago. Works just fine.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.12.22 22:54:00 - [30] Originally by: Ambani hmm got a lot of info for High-sec freightering - summarizing: 1. This OP is as good as it gets 2. Huginn / Rapier for webbing increases your chances to near infinity. - even if they pop this ship, concord will be there. 3. be very careful about undock though - keep your suicider alts around to get concord there if lots of bs warp in. 2) Hyena works well now. Not quite the range of a Huginn but still good. Although this works just fine with an Inty. Used to use my Crusader for it. Just had to get in range of the freighter before freighter decloaked (not hard in a speedy ship). Huginn/Hyena just allows for a more easy time of it. 3) On stations you frequent make an undock bookmark. Get a speedy ship (as fast sub warp as you can manage and sustain cap) and drive straight ahead on undocking. Go to the bathroom/eat dinner/get a drink/go have a smoke/whatever. Come back in 15 minutes and bookmark the spot. When you undock your freighter do nothing (do not activate anything or double-click in space). Simply right-click in space and select the undock bookmark you just made. Your freighter will instawarp and drive right through any other ships. This however gets borked on black screen death in places like Jita where loading takes too long but usually it works. I use it for Jita 4-4 simply to avoid the bumper fest that is pure misery for a freighter there.

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