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Kelduum Revaan Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.12.29 10:23:00 - [121] Originally by: xenoin What I do not get is everyone complains about us not fighting but then we chase an eve uni gang when we are outnumbered and they run away :/ We were around 8 - 13 members throughout that op with a 17 man enemy gang. We went to your home system with 30 members in it and you stayed docked even with your 17 man gang camping us in on the other side. We go to engage and you run away when we jump one bs in???? When we docked up its usually when you brought a massive blob and it would of been a suicide mission but when you outnumber us and you run away too wtf?? Not that iam complaining about being blobbed i honestly just dont get it :S Then you act like you are o-so-cool when you bring a 30 man blob to camp our station when our members had already gone away to do other stuff. You might want to edit that and add some punctation. Or maybe some paragraphs. As it is, someone would think you were either angry or rushed. And to answer the question: It really seems I do need to quote Sun Tzu more often. Shame. I'm sure you can find The Art Of War on your own, though. Its not that hard to find, and still as relevent as it was when he wrote it 2600 years ago. -- Kelduum Revaan Diplomatic Director Eve University <IVY> _____
xenoin Racketeers	Posted - 2007.12.29 10:30:00 - [122] TBH, i think you do all this stuff deliberatly to try and **** us off so much we cancel the war, but you will be getting a nice little surpise soon enough...
Morning Maniac Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.12.29 10:58:00 - [123] Let me try to explain one more time... We are a teaching corp. Our killboard is just a mean to an end to us and personally I don't care about losses as long as they served some purpose. That being said it turns out that somehow I have to care about killboards because people like you do. Wars as frequently as we have had them over the last 4 months are very bad for the uni (about 4 weeks of peace). Recruiting stops so we have to turn down 50-100 applications a week. Most classes stop as well so those who are in only get a very limited taste of eve. I realise it's everyone's right to wardec whoever they wish and that this is a sandbox game. A single week of war every month or so can actually be quite educational. At the moment though it's very annoying that we don't even get to build half of our sandcastle before someone starts to try to knock it down again. As I stated before, I don't expect you to care about anyone but yourself, I am just re-stating our mission and explaining why we even care about such nonsense as killboards. MM p.s. I made up 3 of the chars in Korsiki when you got there, sorry to say I was afk doing laundry. p.s.s. beware everyone, when you move out of your mom's place you'll have to do laundry too and it cuts into your EVE time http://eve-ivy.com EVE University commercial
xenoin Racketeers	Posted - 2007.12.29 11:25:00 - [124] You mean there is a world out there where you have to work? lies i tell you lies!! eve is life you can stop me playing you cant!
Galsia Yovinda Gallente Dec Me Please	Posted - 2007.12.29 12:46:00 - [125] You know the Racketeers posturing in her is about the same as the 8th grader on the short bus pointing out he's better than the 4th grader because he can take out more kindergarten students... In the end either way you look at it, he's still riding the short bus. War Decs on the uni are bad in that is hurts one of the few corporations that do go out of their way to help new players. But I keep wondering who hires all these groups to attack the uni, quite a few are open about being mercs... So maybe it's those hiring them that need to be brave enough to step up to the plate themselves. As for the lost rep, that is false. If you have a member of your corporation tell you flat out they will not follow orders then they wil be booted. All the bs about pay and telling folks what to do... well when you join a corporation you obey the rules of said corporation. Otherwise you don't belong in that corporation and can do what you want in another corporation (I'd recommend an npc corporation). If push comes to shove, the uni can simply have alt corporations created and move members into them based on what they want to do. It's legit, and hounding the alt corporations is not (falls under harassment iirc)
Zephyr Rengate Racketeers	Posted - 2007.12.29 12:53:00 - [126] <3 This war, this one is by far the best of our current wars.
Morning Maniac Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.12.29 13:48:00 - [127] I am pleased that you are happy. I founded EVE University because I care about people. When I kill someone's ship unprovoked I feel bad because I think about all the work that went into it and destroying that gives me no joy. I care how the man or woman behind the pc feels and I want to help that person to enjoy the game even more. The University has given me a way to do that without detriment to someone else's enjoyment of the game. That is where we are different. When I say your are selfish I do not mean that as judgement or insult but as an observation. I give people respect by default. On top of that I repect the Rackateers for the success they had fighting our corp. Some may question your methods but your success on the killboards is evident. Like Galsia I am also wondering who keeps hiring mercs against us and why can flippers and ore thieves follow us around where ever we go. There seems to be some movement that wants us out of the game, Racketeers are just a very very small part of that total effort which has been going for many months now. In the end it doesn't matter who are behind it, what matters if they will succeed or not. MM http://eve-ivy.com EVE University commercial
Atreides Horza No Fear Buccaneers	Posted - 2007.12.29 13:54:00 - [128] Originally by: Morning Maniac I am pleased that you are happy. I founded EVE University because I care about people. When I kill someone's ship unprovoked I feel bad because I think about all the work that went into it and destroying that gives me no joy. I care how the man or woman behind the pc feels and I want to help that person to enjoy the game even more. The University has given me a way to do that without detriment to someone else's enjoyment of the game. That is where we are different. When I say your are selfish I do not mean that as judgement or insult but as an observation. I give people respect by default. On top of that I repect the Rackateers for the success they had fighting our corp. Some may question your methods but your success on the killboards is evident. Like Galsia I am also wondering who keeps hiring mercs against us and why can flippers and ore thieves follow us around where ever we go. There seems to be some movement that wants us out of the game, Racketeers are just a very very small part of that total effort which has been going for many months now. In the end it doesn't matter who are behind it, what matters if they will succeed or not. MM Hang in there, EVE Uni. Your efforts are admired - also by some of those who takes pride in blowing other people's sh*t up.
Tristen Orde Racketeers	Posted - 2007.12.29 15:51:00 - [129] Edited by: Tristen Orde on 29/12/2007 15:51:11 Originally by: Morning Maniac We are a teaching corp. Then why don't you attempt to teach your 'students' to PVP rather than sit on a gate with 30 other 'students' followed by running whenever a MUCH smaller gang comes calling.
Tristen Orde Racketeers	Posted - 2007.12.29 15:54:00 - [130] Originally by: Kelduum Revaan Originally by: RenegadeRacer Look we are tearing Eve Uni apart. Well, if you really do believe that then that is your personal opinion, and you are of course welcome to it. I suspect it may not be shared that widely, however. -- Kelduum Revaan Diplomatic Director Eve University <IVY> Hrm.. 1.3 bil destroyed 406 mil lost for us. I'm pretty sure 'winning' is equal to 'winning' in most people's heads. Or maybe your idea of 'winning' is to continue teaching your students while the war is going? Oh wait.. that doesn't seem to be happening either.
Katarina Arisdeed Caldari Nuclear Reactor Inc Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.12.29 16:42:00 - [131] War decing a learning corp is nothing to be proud of, so you killed a bunch a new players trying to learn the game, man I have to tell you, goons should just sit back and let you take BoB out because you guys are the best of the best
Tristen Orde Racketeers	Posted - 2007.12.29 16:52:00 - [132] Originally by: Katarina Arisdeed War decing a learning corp is nothing to be proud of, so you killed a bunch a new players trying to learn the game, man I have to tell you, goons should just sit back and let you take BoB out because you guys are the best of the best Jealous of war targets much?
Commoner Caldari Emergent Chaos Bedlam Consortium	Posted - 2007.12.29 16:52:00 - [133] Wars are good for training corps, but i agree that it becomes a barrier if you're constantly at war. Attrition damage from constant wars is something that has killed many empires. No matter how big you are you gotta have time to make some isk's to buy hardware and bullets. After all your students will learn nothing from getting wasted in a newly quired ibis in a matter of seconds. While it might appear cowardly from the point of the agressor, i highly doubt that Racketeers has any prior knowledge as to how longe EVE-U has been at war, and which methods you should use to train such students. Many of those students might end up in Racketeers at some point to continue their "training". (Never stop learning ftw...). While i might not agree with the tactics in EVE-U (Stay docked orders). I can see it as a last resort to cut losses. The worst pvp'er in EVE :
Katarina Arisdeed Caldari Nuclear Reactor Inc Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.12.29 17:29:00 - [134] Originally by: Tristen Orde Originally by: Katarina Arisdeed War decing a learning corp is nothing to be proud of, so you killed a bunch a new players trying to learn the game, man I have to tell you, goons should just sit back and let you take BoB out because you guys are the best of the best Jealous of war targets much? Not at all, I just don't like the fact that you guys are making things hard for new players trying to learn the game. Privateers war dec us all the time, even though they never leave empire at least they dec an alliance that they know has experienced players, leave Eve-University alone and let them continue to teach new players how to play the game, they are one of the only entities in the game that are out to help the greater eve community instead of just themselves.
Tristen Orde Racketeers	Posted - 2007.12.29 17:33:00 - [135] Edited by: Tristen Orde on 29/12/2007 17:33:49 Originally by: Katarina Arisdeed Originally by: Tristen Orde Originally by: Katarina Arisdeed War decing a learning corp is nothing to be proud of, so you killed a bunch a new players trying to learn the game, man I have to tell you, goons should just sit back and let you take BoB out because you guys are the best of the best Jealous of war targets much? Not at all, I just don't like the fact that you guys are making things hard for new players trying to learn the game. Privateers war dec us all the time, even though they never leave empire at least they dec an alliance that they know has experienced players, leave Eve-University alone and let them continue to teach new players how to play the game, they are one of the only entities in the game that are out to help the greater eve community instead of just themselves. This sounds like a pure carebear approach to it. What better way to teach new players than to show them exactly how harsh Eve can be at times, even if you try to avoid PVP. They're going to run into it sooner or later. Better now, while they're flying cheap frigates and cruisers, than later in the CNR. Oh and did I mention that having so many easily poppable targets is funny?
Katarina Arisdeed Caldari Nuclear Reactor Inc Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.12.29 17:47:00 - [136] Originally by: Tristen Orde Edited by: Tristen Orde on 29/12/2007 17:33:49 Originally by: Katarina Arisdeed Originally by: Tristen Orde Originally by: Katarina Arisdeed War decing a learning corp is nothing to be proud of, so you killed a bunch a new players trying to learn the game, man I have to tell you, goons should just sit back and let you take BoB out because you guys are the best of the best Jealous of war targets much? Not at all, I just don't like the fact that you guys are making things hard for new players trying to learn the game. Privateers war dec us all the time, even though they never leave empire at least they dec an alliance that they know has experienced players, leave Eve-University alone and let them continue to teach new players how to play the game, they are one of the only entities in the game that are out to help the greater eve community instead of just themselves. This sounds like a pure carebear approach to it. What better way to teach new players than to show them exactly how harsh Eve can be at times, even if you try to avoid PVP. They're going to run into it sooner or later. Better now, while they're flying cheap frigates and cruisers, than later in the CNR. Oh and did I mention that having so many easily poppable targets is funny? I agree that they do need to learn how harsh Eve can be but that shouldnt be rammed down thier throats from the day they start playing the game. So its a carebear attitude, big deal. I highly doubt you went out and started shooting people in 0.0 a week after you started playing, actually you still don't.
Galsia Yovinda Gallente Dec Me Please	Posted - 2007.12.29 18:31:00 - [137] Originally by: Tristen Orde Edited by: Tristen Orde on 29/12/2007 17:33:49 Originally by: Katarina Arisdeed Originally by: Tristen Orde Originally by: Katarina Arisdeed War decing a learning corp is nothing to be proud of, so you killed a bunch a new players trying to learn the game, man I have to tell you, goons should just sit back and let you take BoB out because you guys are the best of the best Jealous of war targets much? Not at all, I just don't like the fact that you guys are making things hard for new players trying to learn the game. Privateers war dec us all the time, even though they never leave empire at least they dec an alliance that they know has experienced players, leave Eve-University alone and let them continue to teach new players how to play the game, they are one of the only entities in the game that are out to help the greater eve community instead of just themselves. This sounds like a pure carebear approach to it. What better way to teach new players than to show them exactly how harsh Eve can be at times, even if you try to avoid PVP. They're going to run into it sooner or later. Better now, while they're flying cheap frigates and cruisers, than later in the CNR. Oh and did I mention that having so many easily poppable targets is funny? So what section of 0.0 do you own? After all hardcore PvP takes place out there with the big boys and not in empire kicking puppies. Any way you look at it, there is a deliberate attempt to make it harder for the Uni to recruit and train (and PvP is not the only training that goes on in Eve Uni) the new players. So who is writing the check? And at what point are you going to cut and run on your corporation losses? After all you might find some of the old Alumni re-joining the uni. But I expect your war targets to dry up as many drop to alt and allied corporations for the war dec period. I know a few that might just talk with Kel about hosting some of the more carebear members (after all not all are in it for the pew pew)
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Racketeers	Posted - 2007.12.29 18:35:00 - [138] Originally by: Katarina Arisdeed I highly doubt you went out and started shooting people in 0.0 a week after you started playing, actually you still don't. We all have our roles to play in this game called Eve. You, I am sure, are one tough hombre who lives in 0.0 where "real men" PvP. While we pick on the kids in the short bus who travel the High Sec route to school every day. Or we try and steal their lunch money (can flipping miners). Of course their parents (aka Mercs) try and kick our asses sometimes. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. Who is having more fun? Don't know, cause it is all subjective. --------------------------------------------- Love is having a second account with a cov ops pilot
Tristen Orde Racketeers	Posted - 2007.12.29 18:43:00 - [139] Originally by: Galsia Yovinda So what section of 0.0 do you own? Hah! 0.0... 0.0 is the safest area in this game for anyone that wants to avoid a fight. 'Oh, let me just hide behind the pvpers in my secured 0.0 space and mine/rat all day long. Oh no! One person has jumped into the system! Quick! Safespot/logoff!!' It doesn't work that way in low sec or empire.
Katarina Arisdeed Caldari Nuclear Reactor Inc Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.12.29 18:53:00 - [140] Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Originally by: Katarina Arisdeed I highly doubt you went out and started shooting people in 0.0 a week after you started playing, actually you still don't. We all have our roles to play in this game called Eve. You, I am sure, are one tough hombre who lives in 0.0 where "real men" PvP. While we pick on the kids in the short bus who travel the High Sec route to school every day. Or we try and steal their lunch money (can flipping miners). Of course their parents (aka Mercs) try and kick our asses sometimes. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. Who is having more fun? Don't know, cause it is all subjective. Fair enough, as for being a tough hombre? Hardly( Loved the dripping sarcasm by the way), I am a carrier pilot but my 3 other account are for mining, so I am no stranger to being ganked in lowsec by pirates, and most of that was my fault for being a noob and not paying attention to local, again my issue with you guys is war decing a corp whos specific role is the help out new players get adjusted and learn to play the game, these people shouldbt be made to suffer because they are showing that they really want to learn the game and keep playing and who knows maybe do exactly what you are doing now and war dec and kill in high sec space and thats fine, personally I can't be bothered with wars in high sec, when privateers war dec us i break out my shopping alt in an empire corp do to my shopping for me, all it really is to me and alot of us in 0.0 is a pesky inconvinence, so I can se the appeal of war decing on eve university because all they have is right there and hey have no alternatives other then to either try and fight back or quit, 0.0 alliances will just break out the alts and all you guys do is waste perfectly good isk with minimal returns on your killboards
Katarina Arisdeed Caldari Nuclear Reactor Inc Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.12.29 18:59:00 - [141] Edited by: Katarina Arisdeed on 29/12/2007 18:59:50 Originally by: Tristen Orde Originally by: Galsia Yovinda So what section of 0.0 do you own? Hah! 0.0... 0.0 is the safest area in this game for anyone that wants to avoid a fight. 'Oh, let me just hide behind the pvpers in my secured 0.0 space and mine/rat all day long. Oh no! One person has jumped into the system! Quick! Safespot/logoff!!' It doesn't work that way in low sec or empire. in low sec or highsec you just dock in a station there really isnt a huge difference. edit: spelling
kassie kelmar Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.12.30 00:53:00 - [142] For the first time in the history of Eve University, the corp that students drop into from Eve University because they dont feel ready to fight, have no interest in fighting or cannot afford to fight, has been wardecced. This marks a new low.
Galsia Yovinda Gallente Dec Me Please	Posted - 2007.12.30 01:08:00 - [143] Originally by: kassie kelmar For the first time in the history of Eve University, the corp that students drop into from Eve University because they dont feel ready to fight, have no interest in fighting or cannot afford to fight, has been wardecced. This marks a new low. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=665774 < might help Or simply form another corporation for them to drop into, make it a war of isk not pew
Zephyr Rengate Racketeers	Posted - 2007.12.30 01:23:00 - [144] Originally by: Galsia Yovinda Originally by: kassie kelmar For the first time in the history of Eve University, the corp that students drop into from Eve University because they dont feel ready to fight, have no interest in fighting or cannot afford to fight, has been wardecced. This marks a new low. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=665774 < might help We will continue to hunt them down. Or simply form another corporation for them to drop into, make it a war of isk not pew
Galsia Yovinda Gallente Dec Me Please	Posted - 2007.12.30 02:02:00 - [145] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Originally by: Galsia Yovinda Originally by: kassie kelmar For the first time in the history of Eve University, the corp that students drop into from Eve University because they dont feel ready to fight, have no interest in fighting or cannot afford to fight, has been wardecced. This marks a new low. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=665774 < might help We will continue to hunt them down. Or simply form another corporation for them to drop into, make it a war of isk not pew You do that, enough times and it hits the radar as harassment and grief play. Not to mention the 1.5 mil isk is a lot less than the 50mil isk you will have to pay per wardec
Tacit Blue	Posted - 2007.12.30 02:51:00 - [146] Morning Maniac, Eve-U I really respect what you guys are doing to help newbies like me (2 weeks). I wonder how many people who have been in game for a while remember what it was like the first couple of weeks. Talk about totally overwhelming! Luckily, I heard a lot of great things about you guys on the forums so I tried to join. Sadly, with the war i am locked out until its over. Anyway, good luck and i am looking forward to joining your group.
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Racketeers	Posted - 2007.12.30 02:53:00 - [147] Edited by: Traidor Disloyal on 30/12/2007 02:53:57 Originally by: Galsia Yovinda You do that, enough times and it hits the radar as harassment and grief play. Not to mention the 1.5 mil isk is a lot less than the 50mil isk you will have to pay per wardec Look up the corp Redstar Industries. We wardecced em till they only had 1 member left. They hired Repo twice. What we are doing to Eve Uni and their sister corps is not harassment. And if anyone feels it is then, by all means, petition it to CCP. And if anyone feels the need to be a White Knight then war dec us. The more targets we have the better off the Eve Uni people will be. --------------------------------------------- Love is having a second account with a cov ops pilot
Tristen Orde Racketeers	Posted - 2007.12.30 02:55:00 - [148] Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Edited by: Traidor Disloyal on 30/12/2007 02:53:57 Originally by: Galsia Yovinda You do that, enough times and it hits the radar as harassment and grief play. Not to mention the 1.5 mil isk is a lot less than the 50mil isk you will have to pay per wardec Look up the corp Redstar Industries. We wardecced em till they only had 1 member left. They hired Repo twice. What we are doing to Eve Uni and their sister corps is not harassment. And if anyone feels it is then, by all means, petition it to CCP. And if anyone feels the need to be a White Knight then war dec us. The more targets we have the better off the Eve Uni people will be. Of which, one of the REPO wars is still 'missing' from the REPO campaign list after we beat them...
Galsia Yovinda Gallente Dec Me Please	Posted - 2007.12.30 03:09:00 - [149] Originally by: Wesley Baird I sense the Racketeers are getting angry...oh my, who will they dec next?!?!! The fear... Oh me! If they got the guts :-P Might wind up with a bit more than bargained for.. depends on what I might do for an alliance. Who knows they might just wardec one more little corp that suddenly has them facing extinction at the hands of one of the bigger alliances. But them the chances when you roll the bones... sometimes it comes up snake eyes
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Racketeers	Posted - 2007.12.30 03:19:00 - [150] Originally by: Wesley Baird I sense the Racketeers are getting angry...oh my, who will they dec next?!?!! The fear... Angry? Never. In fact we are laughing at these threads now. --------------------------------------------- Love is having a second account with a cov ops pilot

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