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Shosit
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Posted - 2007.12.23 05:15:00 -
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First 5 min:I started by killing a lone frig lost in space forever Next 5 min:Found a interceptor,lost it Next 15 min:Found a pod and tried to ransom, they didn't pay and tried to run out of warp scram, I was forced to kill it, I took the -1.25 status hit. Started to talk to victim. Last min:Felt guilty.
In this short 26 min i have learned something, the pirating life is not for me.
G'day
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Gin Moon
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Posted - 2007.12.23 05:25:00 -
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o7
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ThaDollaGenerale
Questionable Intentions
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Posted - 2007.12.23 06:11:00 -
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Peace!
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.12.23 07:39:00 -
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guilty is what again?
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.12.23 07:52:00 -
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Auto-reject = on? If you feel guilty after talking to someone you've killed, but enjoy killing... this seems to be the easiest solution.
I'll hand out advice on how to not get pirated to people I kill, but I will not refund anything. As long as they keep in mind that it's a game and stay civil with me I'll talk, but give me a guilt trip or smack talk and bye bye. Of course if it's entertaining I may just egg them on a bit. ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :) |
6Bagheera9
Slacker Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.23 08:17:00 -
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Just make it a goal to go out there and destroy the first five ships you can handle. Don't bother ransoming the ships and let the pods go to spare your sec. status(unless they are *****s about it.) This game is in principle no different than CS with regard to loss. If they can't learn to suck it up and go get another ship, then thats their problem. So go knife someone and jack their shiny new SAW. You'll feel better about it when you look at it in this light.
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Saint Apathy
Gallente exiled souls Dark Matter Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.23 09:11:00 -
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You should do what I did. After feeling guilty about killing my first person, I didn't know what to do. I decided to find out if the feeling would ever go away, so I went out trying to kill more people. Yea, turns out the first kill was really just luck. After losing 3 Thorax's (mainly because my fittings were ****, but I guess the fact that I decided to stick around and fight the T2 Thorax when mine was T1 might of had something to do with it) any vestige of guilt is gone. Also, a lot of my newb stupidity is gone... not all of it thought =(. Anyway, my point is, if you enjoyed it even though you did feel guilty about it, go out and do it more. After a while you will have talked to so many rude people, or been killed so many times, that you will become apathetic towards others. Although, if they give you a good enough sob story, you might just want to kill them and delete the chat logs immediately, then do something else to take your mind off the conversation.
Originally by: Malcanis
How can you be paranoid in EvE? Everyone really is out to get you.
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Apirates Lifeforme
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Posted - 2007.12.23 09:36:00 -
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Well like others have said, if you enjoy it, stick with it, blow a few more ships up and watch the pretty effects, after a few times that feeling of guilt goes away.
I had my first kill just the other night, flipped a can in high sec, locked down the guys hauler, got him down into hull, killed the weapons, opened chat to attempt to ransom, *Sorry person you are trying to reach is not logged in*, proceed with cursing, turn weapons on, watch the pretty effects, loot wreck. full load of ore, named T1 AB, named shield extender, two T1 expanders, plus a tractor all blow up. What did i get a T1 Expanded Cargohold module.
Which I just put to good use last night when I attempted to flip a can and the person never came back and logged out. So I ran got hauler loaded it up so that I could fit it all in one go and hauled back to station. I just want the kills I could care less about the ore and loot. Althought they are nice presents for my time.
So in conclusion, go back out there and kill a few more ships, remember the high of the kill and do it again. The guilt will wear off sooner than later.
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Mavil
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Posted - 2007.12.23 13:13:00 -
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I used to feel really guilty when I first started pirating. People begging for mercy, telling me it's their "life savings". Well, that didn't last long... Nowadays I giggle like a school girl when I get obscene hate mails painting out the way they want me to die irl.
Pirating rules!
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Darth Schweinebacke
Caldari Art of War
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Posted - 2007.12.23 13:40:00 -
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There really is no need to feel guitly. When someone goes into low sec or 0.0 with everything he has its is own fault. When they would stick to the rule: "Do not fly what you can not afford to lose", they would be fine after the kill. When they do not stick to that rule, it is their own fault ;).
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Hotan Seksi
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Posted - 2007.12.23 16:05:00 -
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Noob has a conscience, rofl. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.12.23 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton guilty is what again?
I think it's that feeling you get when you eat a really really bad hotdog
Originally by: Tarminic
Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
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Considered
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Posted - 2007.12.23 21:32:00 -
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Oh well, you tried it.
Personally, on the little pirating I have done, I enjoyed the smacktalk I got. It's funny to get "effing this, effing that" of which they think is hacking you off, when actually your just bursting out laughing.
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar Sten Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.23 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Rhatar Khurin on 23/12/2007 21:43:16 Edited by: Rhatar Khurin on 23/12/2007 21:40:07
Originally by: Shosit First 5 min:I started by killing a lone frig lost in space forever Next 5 min:Found a interceptor,lost it Next 15 min:Found a pod and tried to ransom, they didn't pay and tried to run out of warp scram, I was forced to kill it, I took the -1.25 status hit. Started to talk to victim. Last min:Felt guilty.
In this short 26 min i have learned something, the pirating life is not for me.
G'day
I know what you mean, i feel guilty for evening blowing up a players ships. Let alone podding them. Call me a softy, but i do think everyone should just be friends lol.
Although, if you do continue the life of crime, that feeling does go away if you can take a bashing of your morals for a bit, and then you come out the otherside even more ruthless than before. _
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Windjammer
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Posted - 2007.12.23 22:01:00 -
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This thread answers a couple questions I've had about pirates:
How is it so many pirates seem to have no conscience? Answer: They just do it enough times and become desensitised. Conscience goes to sleep.
Why do so many pirates seem to have such a thin skin and react so vigorously when their sociologically bad behaviour is pointed out? Answer: They don't like to have their consience reawakened telling them they're bad people.
The OP tried something, discovered he didn't like viewing himself in that role and changed role. I congratulate him on his mature reaction.
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Anise Cantan
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Posted - 2007.12.24 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Windjammer Why do so many pirates seem to have such a thin skin and react so vigorously when their sociologically bad behaviour is pointed out? Answer: They don't like to have their consience reawakened telling them they're bad people.
Answer is that they mistake real life and game and feel as if they really harmed someone. No, no one was actually harmed in any way. If someone feels bad about losing their virtual possessions that's their problem and not yours. What are you supposed to do? Not ever play against other players in fear that if you win they will feel bad over it?
Anything you do in EVE, and I mean anything, is pretty much pvp, player vs player type of gaming. You're bound to upset someone with your actions. You produce some small capacitor batteries and put them up for sale in a system some noob will log on and get upset that you price is too low or that you outbid him. If you're that concerned for how other players feel when they lose a game to someone else, just don't play pvp games then.
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Winters Chill
Amarr Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2007.12.24 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Shosit First 5 min:I started by killing a lone frig lost in space forever Next 5 min:Found a interceptor,lost it Next 15 min:Found a pod and tried to ransom, they didn't pay and tried to run out of warp scram, I was forced to kill it, I took the -1.25 status hit. Started to talk to victim. Last min:Felt guilty.
In this short 26 min i have learned something, the pirating life is not for me.
G'day
Your doing it wrong.
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artuitus
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Posted - 2007.12.27 05:01:00 -
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Edited by: artuitus on 27/12/2007 05:02:06 Ive lost Many ships to pirates. I ve done the stupid thing and lost all of my virtual 'possesions' in one ship even(btw i wont do that again). I never take it hard, after all its just a game. I do however take offence if i try to congratulate the pirate on his kill and he smack talks me! Of course the greatest insult to me is when they dont even bother to loot my wreck...makes me feel really bad about myself;) I mean cant you at least take the loot and reprocess it to sell the minerals or something?
BTW by congratulate i mean sincerly congratulate, or joke about how stupid i am for getting caught in a bad spot:) i ve even tried to join with pirates after they kill me just to hear 'we require X mil sp' which of course i dont have so i cant join:(
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.12.27 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Windjammer This thread answers a couple questions I've had about pirates:
How is it so many pirates seem to have no conscience? Answer: They just do it enough times and become desensitised. Conscience goes to sleep.
Why do so many pirates seem to have such a thin skin and react so vigorously when their sociologically bad behaviour is pointed out? Answer: They don't like to have their consience reawakened telling them they're bad people.
The OP tried something, discovered he didn't like viewing himself in that role and changed role. I congratulate him on his mature reaction.
So by your nonsensical logic, all pirates are immature? It's not about having a consciense or not, it's not about maturity level, it's not even about people having sociological issues. It's about playing a game, pure and simple. If playing the game by the rules (Or lack of.) means that you can blow up another persons spaceship, I for one am going to do it.
Some people like watching rocks disappear after a few cycles of a laser, I can't do that. Some like to shoot for hours at NPC's who always react the same way and who do **** poor damage and don't drop T2 loot, I can't do that either. I kill other people, because they react unpredictably in a fight, because they smacktalk, and heck they even become good friends occasionally if they are mature enough to realize it's a game, and if they keep playing they'll get their chance to get me back.
Blah blah blah... I gotta stop responding to trolls
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DarknessInc
Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.12.27 05:26:00 -
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Guilt? I felt guilt once...when I missed a dual freighter kill because I was with my family
<.< last time I take a break from pirating for family
Originally by: Viator Pilot Now I will go back to agents, already without the desire of adventures on the ass :)
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Redbad
Minmatar Mean Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.27 10:34:00 -
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Romantically speaking, no matter what side of the guns you are, you should enjoy them both as much as you can! If you feel guilt or remorse, just keep in mind that the other player took the risk and gambled as much as you did, flying there.
Piracy is a way in this game that can be pretty harsh. You are denying yourselves the convenience of high-sec, the "safety" of the gate guns and the possibility of getting by "unnoticed" in local. You will loose ships, and if you do it for real profits, well better rethink your ISK-generating strategies, because loosing a 300 mil HAC with setups is not easily replaced with frigate and cruiser kills/ransoms. (Unless you rely on an industrial carebear alt!)
With every loss you improve though and find new possibilities in this game that aren't revealed to you when you grind through missions.
I still praise the day I turned to piracy. Did I feel guilt? Yes, I still do. But the feeling of appreciation for the risks the other player takes is greater. How can I leave that unanswered?
RB
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Jaro Brutus
La Isla del Mono
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Posted - 2007.12.27 11:01:00 -
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With newbies (<30 days in game) I usually reinburse the ship loss (the cost of a top tier frigate usually) and share some advices on how to survive on low sec.
If there are older chars but not used to pvp or low sec life, sharing tips and advices on surviving is also nice.
So no guilty feelings \o/
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.12.27 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jaro Brutus With newbies (<30 days in game) I usually reinburse the ship loss (the cost of a top tier frigate usually) and share some advices on how to survive on low sec.
If there are older chars but not used to pvp or low sec life, sharing tips and advices on surviving is also nice.
So no guilty feelings \o/
Yeah, if they'll be civil with you after dying ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :) |
Alowishus
Shadow Company FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.12.27 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Windjammer This thread answers a couple questions I've had about pirates:
How is it so many pirates seem to have no conscience? Answer: They just do it enough times and become desensitised. Conscience goes to sleep.
Why do so many pirates seem to have such a thin skin and react so vigorously when their sociologically bad behaviour is pointed out? Answer: They don't like to have their consience reawakened telling them they're bad people.
The OP tried something, discovered he didn't like viewing himself in that role and changed role. I congratulate him on his mature reaction.
It's just a game? I find that the least mature and most socially awkward people are usually the ones who think they can judge people by how they play a game.
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bilbo bagg
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Posted - 2007.12.27 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: bilbo bagg on 27/12/2007 19:20:56 oops
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XminotaurX
Amarr IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.12.27 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shosit First 5 min:I started by killing a lone frig lost in space forever Next 5 min:Found a interceptor,lost it Next 15 min:Found a pod and tried to ransom, they didn't pay and tried to run out of warp scram, I was forced to kill it, I took the -1.25 status hit. Started to talk to victim. Last min:Felt guilty.
In this short 26 min i have learned something, the pirating life is not for me.
G'day
you shouldnt have felt guilty cuz you tried to ransome his pod he didnt have the money to pay so bye bye pod there should be no guilt there you gave the guy all the chances to save him self. and if your going to feel guilty for killing other players stick to killing rats or roids IDLE GUNS putting some yarr!!!! in system near you
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.12.27 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 27/12/2007 19:59:45 I don't know. My first kill was preety nice (the guy fought back preety well even though it was in a mining cruiser); I don't remember feeling guilty about it. I did feel a tad guilty about the next guy who was a noob in a frig, but I gave him some advice to help him out and he was nice about it.
Nowdays I get the adrenaline rush and a lovely warm feeling after killing people's ships and pods. Plus the 'what did it drop' excitement before looting the can.
Rifters!
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Baaldor
Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.27 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Windjammer This thread answers a couple questions I've had about pirates:
How is it so many pirates seem to have no conscience? Answer: They just do it enough times and become desensitised. Conscience goes to sleep.
Why do so many pirates seem to have such a thin skin and react so vigorously when their sociologically bad behaviour is pointed out? Answer: They don't like to have their consience reawakened telling them they're bad people.
The OP tried something, discovered he didn't like viewing himself in that role and changed role. I congratulate him on his mature reaction.
It's just a game? I find that the least mature and most socially awkward people are usually the ones who think they can judge people by how they play a game.
QFT.
Most of us can tell the difference between a game and real life consequences. You would have to wonder about folks that judge your morality based on a fictional game. Windjammer I am sorry dude, but you have be able to distinguish between fantasy and reality. Or you are in for a world of hurt.
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Naridos
Caldari IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.12.27 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0
Originally by: Jaro Brutus With newbies (<30 days in game) I usually reinburse the ship loss (the cost of a top tier frigate usually) and share some advices on how to survive on low sec.
If there are older chars but not used to pvp or low sec life, sharing tips and advices on surviving is also nice.
So no guilty feelings \o/
Yeah, if they'll be civil with you after dying
Yep thats the way to go. If they are flying a heavily decked out BS though and they have it all fit with named stuff, then I would keep it because this way it teaches the Ebay noobs not to buy **** off of the internet and buy ISK.
Quote: Pandas are the PWN of Eve. Pandas!
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Ja'kar
MAFIA
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Posted - 2007.12.28 01:18:00 -
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sociologically bad behaviour
What do you mean by that comment?
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