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Tenser Creel
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Posted - 2007.12.23 16:42:00 -
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I've been playing this game for close to a month, but all i've really done is level 1-2 missions. Needless to say its starting to get old, and i'm wanting to maybe mix it up with some low sec ratting. My first question is, how low of a sec can i go into with a Frigate(Tristan) and rat? Same thing with a Cruiser(Thorax). Those are the ships i have access to.
I also heard something about fitting your ship for specific rats? Like Sansha's or whatever. And only fighting those kind of rats? What i don't really understand is how to find out where a specific faction of rats are, as well as what type of damage they do. Basically i don't know much of how to fit my ship for low sec ratting at all. I have only a vague idea. I'm assuming it won't be a ton different from a mission running setup.
I've also read a few guides saying that it would be best to try out low sec in a Frigate first. Since its low risk and i wouldn't be losing much. So i think thats what i'm going to do. Treat me as a player that really doesn't know what he is doing below 0.5 space. I could use any advice or links to guides. I'm ok with reading it for myself if you can guide me to the info.
Cheers 
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Driann
Minmatar SPORADIC MOVEMENT Alpha Tauri
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Posted - 2007.12.23 16:55:00 -
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I'll be following this thread closely cuz most of his questions are mine too.
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Gerry TheViking
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.23 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Gerry TheViking on 23/12/2007 18:36:59
Originally by: Tenser Creel
I also heard something about fitting your ship for specific rats? Like Sansha's or whatever.
I'm still a Noob but you seem to be looking for this information: Guristas/Serpentis = railguns = kinetic/thermal Blood Raiders/Sansha = lasers = EM/thermal Angels = projectiles = ALL TYPES.
Quote: I've also read a few guides saying that it would be best to try out low sec in a Frigate first. Since its low risk and i wouldn't be losing much.
From what I have learned Many Frigates can be fitted good enough to make a stand against Cruisers and even Battleships. From 1.0 to 0.4 you will only encounter pirates in Frigates mostly in groups of three, seldom more. You can of course also try a Destroyer but I was just advised that a good fitted Frigate is better to handle
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Elemental Flame
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Posted - 2007.12.23 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Elemental Flame on 23/12/2007 18:37:54 1) How deep into low-sec can a well fitted and piloted frigate or cruiser go?
In theory a suitable frigate or cruiser shouldn't have a problem dealing with any of the NPCs you'd find in a 0.1 low-sec system as standard spawns only go up to triple battlecruisers.
The trick is simply to keep moving, orbit whenever possible and use the low tracking speeds of the larger ships to reduce the amount of damage you take - your biggest threats are frigates, destroyers and stopping moving.
2) How do I fit my ship for specific rats?
Sansha and Blood raiders are Amarr derived - that means they'll be dealing EM + Thermal damage.
Serpentis and Guristas are Gallente and Caldari derived - that means they'll be dealing Kinetic + Thermal damage
Angels are Minmatar derived - that means they'll be dealing (primarily) Explosive + Kinetic damage
Rat specific fitting implies that you're boosting your resists for the type of damage you expect to be receiving, and if possible dealing the type of damage the rats are weakest against (if using missiles, projectiles or drones).
In a nutshell - you're fitting so that every time they hit you it hurts less, and every time you hit them it hurts more.
3) Any other ratting advice?
Your ship has a limited amount of storage for ammunition and/or loot, find somewhere nearby you can safely leave additional ammo & drones, plus whatever equipment you think might be worthwhile selling later.
While you're still learning, fly cheap frigates which you can fully insure and replace easily. Keep two spare fitted frigates so when your first ship dies you don't have to waste several hours searching for a replacement ship and parts.
4) Other players
Once you enter low-sec, other players will try to kill you and they'll have no problems with swatting your frigate out of the sky with bigger ships and better firepower.
They are infinitely smarter than the NPCs you're trying to hunt, and you should expect them to have significantly better equipment than you're willing to risk at this point.
Expect them to take advantage of players using rat specific setups, so if your resists are for EM + Thermal they'll hit you with Kinetic & Explosive - as a result you might be better off improving overall resists rather than just the rat specific ones.
Avoid warping to 0 on belts, firstly the rats are rarely dead-center, secondly it makes it really easy for another player to land on top of your ship.
Look for a quiet(er) system to practice in - if you're fumbling at the controls and generally taking your time dispatching the NPCs in a busy low-sec system the numbers are not in your favour.
Make safe spots, use them sparingly. Make some simple safe spots within the systems you use regularly, make a couple per system and use them as a last resort if the system suddenly gets busy or you need to escape an attacker.
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2007.12.23 19:37:00 -
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Try this site. Go to Search and type the name of the rat there. It will give you all the information about it, such as what type of damage it does, what is it weak and strong against, etc.
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Tenser Creel
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Posted - 2007.12.23 23:32:00 -
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Thanks for the info guys, it helped a ton. I guess the only thing left that i still need to know is how to find those specific pirates? I tried looking on the star map, and filtering for sovereignty but i couldn't find what i needed. I'm sure there are tons of 0.1-0.4 systems, with many different kinds of rats. So i just don't really know how to go about finding what i need.
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Leora Nomen
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.23 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tenser Creel Thanks for the info guys, it helped a ton. I guess the only thing left that i still need to know is how to find those specific pirates? I tried looking on the star map, and filtering for sovereignty but i couldn't find what i needed. I'm sure there are tons of 0.1-0.4 systems, with many different kinds of rats. So i just don't really know how to go about finding what i need.
Try this site: http://www.ombeve.co.uk/ The 2D map lists all the regions and systems with their true security and mentions which NPCs you can find there. Eventually after several months of playing you will remember which regions belong to what empire and which NPCs would spawn there.
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Tenser Creel
Gallente Mongbat
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Posted - 2007.12.24 17:57:00 -
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So yesterday was my first attempt to rat in low sec space. I went to a 0.3 area in my Tristan. I was able to kill some of the rats, but a few of them were just impossible. One belt had 2 Caracels at them, i couldn't even dent the Caracels, and they were dropping me fast. I had to warp out.
I really have no idea how to succeed in low sec ratting with a frigate. I'm either not fitted right, or don't have the skills, or something. But still... It was fun, and i learned quite a bit on my first run out.
Heres how my Trist was fitted: High: 2x Light Neutron Blaster (Uranium ammo) 1x 0E-5200 Rocket Launcher (Foxfire/Gremlin Rockets)
Mid: 1x Cap recharger 1x Webber 1x AB
Low: Collateral Adaptive Nano Plating Reactive Plating Small Repper
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Miss Miata
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Posted - 2007.12.25 04:47:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Miata on 25/12/2007 04:50:39 Edited by: Miss Miata on 25/12/2007 04:48:46 use thorn rockets and antimatter ammo
id fit a tristan this way...
2 x blasters (best u can afford / fit) 2 x rockets oem is a good choice
1 x cap recharger 1 x web 1 x ab
1 x plate 200mm (or smaller if u cant fit 200 yet but work on fitting 1) 1 x armor repair (best u can afford and t2 is really worth getting) 1 x cap power relay
ab to target, when within 10km start web, at 4-5km start firing, at 2-3km cut ab, orbit at 500m
kill shipps in order of size, frigs, then desties, then cruisers etc
caldari rats are probally the hardest for a new player but it can be done angels are probally 2nd hardest especially when u find missile spewers sansha/blood will be easiest if you head out that way, im around oyonata and on the line between sanshas bloods
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Dirk Magnum
FinFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.25 04:59:00 -
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I really wouldn't put a web on a PvE frigate. If you have tracking problems use a tracking computer, but you won't have tracking problems with blasters against rats. Third mid on a PvE Tristan is a toss-up between shield extender and shield hardener. Even a shield recharger. You can't run an armor repper forever on a frigate, so whatever damage you can buffer with passive shields helps you cap-wise.
You can protect a Tristan with shield modules if you'd rather put magnetic field stabs and/or ballistic controls in the lows, although you won't get an afterburner with that setup since you need all the mids for shield stuff.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.12.25 07:07:00 -
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sometimes when i get bored i rat in a caldari .4 with a punisher, thats right lasers against gurista rats 
3x lasers (have no idea what type, they were what was in the corp hanger), 1x small nos 1mn ab I, small cap injector (think ive used this once) 2x small rep I, 1x heatsink I, 1x heatsink II
your setup should work, although get that 2nd rocket on there.
try 2x blasters (with antimater), 2x rockets 1x ab, 1x webber, 1x small cap injector 2x small rep, 1x adaptive nano plating II
you shouldnt need to use the cap injector much, but running the dual rep does take a lot of cap but at the same time will keep you alive through a lot. i think i have 3 cap booster 100s in the injector, and 3 in my cargo
if you want to come down to my little pocket of lowsec we can test your warp out times 
that and i always enjoy frig pvp 
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2007.12.25 07:43:00 -
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For finding a specific faction's rats:
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G Viking
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Posted - 2007.12.28 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tenser Creel Thanks for the info guys, it helped a ton. I guess the only thing left that i still need to know is how to find those specific pirates?
You will find the rats mostly in the asteorid-belts of the systems.
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G Viking
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Posted - 2007.12.28 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton sometimes when i get bored i rat in a caldari .4 with a punisher.....1x small nos
Why did you install the nos ? As far as I understood they dont work on NPCs. Only on real players.
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Max Godsnottlingson
Amarr Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.12.29 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: G Viking
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton sometimes when i get bored i rat in a caldari .4 with a punisher.....1x small nos
Why did you install the nos ? As far as I understood they dont work on NPCs. Only on real players.
Not quite right. You do get some CAP back, but the NPC rats will never be drained
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Niobius Julius
Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.29 07:33:00 -
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pve tristan I would try fitting it like this:
highs: 2 neutron blasters, 2 rocket launchers mids: ab, 2 cap rechargers lows: small armor rep, energized adaptive nano membrane, rat specific hardener
Use ab to get close to rat, then shouldnt be a problem to maintain 2 blasters and armor rep running until you kill those rats. |
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