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Hans Zwaardhandler
Borealis Mining Concern IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.02.07 00:32:00 -
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Lately I've been tackling rogue drone pockets and missions involving them, and from time to time, I am seeing strings of random binary code in local that they broadcast to me. Now that got me thinking just tonight, has anybody already deciphered the rogue drone binary code? If you have, does it reveal anything interesting of the sort, or just warnings for you to leave the area?
The rogue drones are rather fascinating, and their connection to the Sleepers that was hinted at in another thread is highly interesting and makes me curious as to their nature.
I am also wondering what questions everybody else has regarding rogue drones, and I have many more myself, but I prefer not to clog up a thread with just my own questions.
Thank you in advance for any answers that you have.  |

Drop-Me-Own-Stocks Darius
Total Annihilation. Pandorum Invictus
3
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Posted - 2012.02.07 04:58:00 -
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I think Rogue Drones are drones that have come into contact with Sleeper Drones and were 'augmented' by the Sleeper Drones via Bio-Nanites (similiar to the Replicators in Stargate, perhaps even the very same if you want to throw the two timelines together).
Perhaps they don't want to attack humans, so they try to warn them to stay away, but their aggresive instincts and territorial behavior send them into a fit of rage when the humans don't respond to their warnings.
But it would be pretty cool if they started taking over abandoned ships and essentially turning them into giant rogue drones, or if they learned how to 'replicate' various forms of Bio-Mass, including (if needed) humans. And of course, they can always 'replicate' fuel and construction materials, and eachother if needed. It might also explain how the Gallente, Minmatar, and Caldari drones got their ammunition.
It would also be pretty cool to see a bunch of rogue drones found a civilian ship that got damaged by pirates and started attempting to repair it. Or if a squad of rogue drones (seperated from their colony) attempted to dock in a ship's drone bay. Or if they started turning people's drones into more of their kind. Who would like to buy a melon?Madame, would you like to buy a--...oh. I see you've already got some.Who would like to buy a melon? |

Esna Pitoojee
The Peerage
55
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Posted - 2012.02.07 05:00:00 -
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I think most of the binary is just standard rogue drone stuff like "More prey" "Attack", etc. |

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
138
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Posted - 2012.02.07 14:39:00 -
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You don't need to worry about anything the drones are saying as long as it's in binary. When they adopt a refined gentleman's British accent, that's when you worry. |

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
295
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Posted - 2012.02.07 16:07:00 -
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"PREPARE TO DIE, N00B." does not seem very refined or friendly to me. Source Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |

Hans Zwaardhandler
Borealis Mining Concern IMPERIAL LEGI0N
3
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Posted - 2012.02.07 20:45:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:You don't need to worry about anything the drones are saying as long as it's in binary. When they adopt a refined gentleman's British accent, that's when you worry.
Isn't that the truth? 
Quote:"PREPARE TO DIE, N00B." does not seem very refined or friendly to me.  Source
So that's what they are saying! I was interested, as I was wondering if CCP had stuck in bits of lore here and there with the drones.
And Drop-Me-Own-Stocks Darius, that sounds like a great future idea for the rogue drones themselves. As well as if Rogue Drone level five missions receive more content, maybe they will start showing up with Rogue Drone converted capital vessels to look at, and even possibly fight.
Also, I've always wondered how in a piece of fiction from the Empyrean Age how Rogue drones were turned into servants by the former head of Ishukone, yet the pirate factions deal with them like the Empires.
Any other ideas regarding rogue drones that people would like to make? |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1197
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Posted - 2012.02.08 00:33:00 -
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Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:You don't need to worry about anything the drones are saying as long as it's in binary. When they adopt a refined gentleman's British accent, that's when you worry. Isn't that the truth?  Quote:"PREPARE TO DIE, N00B." does not seem very refined or friendly to me.  Source So that's what they are saying! I was interested, as I was wondering if CCP had stuck in bits of lore here and there with the drones. And Drop-Me-Own-Stocks Darius, that sounds like a great future idea for the rogue drones themselves. As well as if Rogue Drone level five missions receive more content, maybe they will start showing up with Rogue Drone converted capital vessels to look at, and even possibly fight. Also, I've always wondered how in a piece of fiction from the Empyrean Age how Rogue drones were turned into servants by the former head of Ishukone, yet the pirate factions deal with them like the Empires. Any other ideas regarding rogue drones that people would like to make?
You ever see that one that has a robotic bug near it?
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Amaroq Dricaldari
68
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Posted - 2012.02.08 00:54:00 -
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I think that is a not-so-infamous Dev ship called the Cockroach. This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |

Borascus
Hole Diggers
29
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Posted - 2012.02.08 02:40:00 -
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I was thinking about the Rogue Drones being the infomorphic representations of the lost Sleeper's. If the Quarantine theories hold and some links are established it may be that some Sleeper's were forced to leave the Sleeper systems for being "too infected".
If they then set about finding more "juicy info's" and trying to overcome their "illness" they might have had the one emotion required to make them lose the plot - Desperation. If they are still mobilizing fleet's taking over cap ships and trying to stockpile ores etc.... wouldn't they have had experience of that coded into them? Taking over Isogen-5 stores couldn't have been research.
There is an interesting part on Theodicy whereby a Blood Raider is speaking to someone "much higher than his Bosses" and that someone transmits a code that enslaves the local rogue drones granting free passage to the Blood Raider/s. That information was somewhere, stayed somewhere, and was not used as a method to remove the rogue drones altogether. Which in istelf held me captivated enough to reply to this thread. |

Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
277
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Posted - 2012.02.08 13:22:00 -
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Borascus wrote:I was thinking about the Rogue Drones being the infomorphic representations of the lost Sleeper's. If the Quarantine theories hold and some links are established it may be that some Sleeper's were forced to leave the Sleeper systems for being "too infected".
If they then set about finding more "juicy info's" and trying to overcome their "illness" they might have had the one emotion required to make them lose the plot - Desperation. If they are still mobilizing fleet's taking over cap ships and trying to stockpile ores etc.... wouldn't they have had experience of that coded into them? Taking over Isogen-5 stores couldn't have been research.
There is an interesting part on Theodicy whereby a Blood Raider is speaking to someone "much higher than his Bosses" and that someone transmits a code that enslaves the local rogue drones granting free passage to the Blood Raider/s. That information was somewhere, stayed somewhere, and was not used as a method to remove the rogue drones altogether. Which in istelf held me captivated enough to reply to this thread.
So far rogue drones don't seem to have any sleeper connection. These drones existed before any contact with W-space was established and were the result of experimentation with fully automated ships with a AIs capable of self-replication.
Also an advanced AI-System like VILAMO might show some of the same traits a hive of rogue drones has, but they have not 'yet' gone rogue. |
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Borascus
Hole Diggers
29
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Posted - 2012.02.08 14:20:00 -
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In The Great Harvest Chronicle (not Theodicy, my mistake) - http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Great_Harvest_%28Chronicle%29
There is the following:
"Certainly, captain. My name is Omir Sarakusa. A long time ago an Amarrian group of heretics struck out for fortune and glory under the title of Sani Sabik. I am a leader of one of their branches, a group called the Blood Raiders. You may have heard of us."
Omir Sarakusa then leads with:
"We have friends, Captain, who have greatly facilitated us in this process. They have spies within the Sisters' ranks - in fact, they have even clashed with the Sisters on past hunts for strange relics, though none so magnificent as this one - and they were perfectly happy with letting the Sisters show us the way to the weapon. I will put you in direct contact with them quite shortly. You are to obey their instructions to the letter. If you do so, I have reason to believe that this quest of yours will end with you manning the greatest destructive weapon known to mankind. Do you understand what that means, Captain?"
When these friends talk to Antar:
Shortly after, they were hailed again. A new voice spoke, one that was unknown to the captain. It felt emotionless and dead. It said, "Are you listening?"
The voice said, "We will upload to your ship an extensive packet of data. Once you have accepted its delivery you will fully verify its integrity, for any errors will kill you and cost us the entire mission. This data bulk is an access key that will alter the drones' programming, resetting it to its original state, and thus grant you safe passage. We entrust you with this because we cannot be seen in this area, but we will expect recompense. Once you have secured the weapon, you will bring it to a named location for us to inspect. We are interested in the theory of the thing, not its use."
The Rogue Drones are then taken over with the following commentary:
His thoughts changed to puzzled amazement when the nearest drones suddenly disengaged, stopped dead in their tracks and started orbiting the ship as if they were protecting it. He had the navigator pull up a wide picture of the drone hive, and the sight was amazing. It was as if a wave of cognitive dissonance was sweeping over the poor machines. The ones that had been heading towards the ship went every which way, some back to the hive, others towards the blue star in the distance, and a fair few in directions that seemed utterly random. Others, mainly the drones that had been carrying isogen-5 to the hive, apparently sped up their efforts, zooming back and forth with such fervor that a fair few missed the hangar entrance and crashed into the hive walls. A handful of drones even flew into one another and began to fight, only to break up again a moment later and head their separate ways.
Antar saw how most of the drones - the ones not holding isogen-5, at least - kept opening and closing their claws, as if grasping at empty air. Against his communicator's advice he attempted to hail them, but there was no response. He suspected the drones were not incapable of communication, but merely too busy dealing with their new programming to answer at all.
After reading that I looked at the Rogue Drone regions and found The Spire and Outer Passage, which are close to Cache http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Category:Cache_%28Region%29 due to the footnote on Cache by CCP
TL:DR
The Sleeper connection is only really put forward as they are actively seeking Isogen-5 in The Great Harvest, and that is eventually used to create the wormholes to W-Space during the Seyllin event. Other than that the area where the Drones first go rogue is close to cache region.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cache_%28computing%29 |

Hans Zwaardhandler
Borealis Mining Concern IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.02.08 21:15:00 -
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Hmmm... after rereading the Great Harvest, I have to say that that is some interesting stuff. The cold, emotionless, dead voice? Unknown as of yet. I am wondering though, where did this programming come from with the Rogue Drones collecting isogen-5 and other things of the sort? I don't believe that they would have found out for themselves, so that is unexplained.
But possibly the Jovians have some connection with this? After all, they have tinkered with just about everything imaginable. What stop's them from doing something along these lines? |

Tykari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
3
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Posted - 2012.02.08 21:46:00 -
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Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:Hmmm... after rereading the Great Harvest, I have to say that that is some interesting stuff. The cold, emotionless, dead voice? Unknown as of yet. I am wondering though, where did this programming come from with the Rogue Drones collecting isogen-5 and other things of the sort? I don't believe that they would have found out for themselves, so that is unexplained.
But possibly the Jovians have some connection with this? After all, they have tinkered with just about everything imaginable. What stop's them from doing something along these lines?
Well they were supposed to deliver the weapon to a Society of Concious Thought area, so the chances are high the Jove are in some way related to it. |

Amaroq Dricaldari
70
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Posted - 2012.02.09 09:09:00 -
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The Jovians have nothing to do with this. It was the ancient Terrans. This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |

Hans Zwaardhandler
Borealis Mining Concern IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.02.09 20:52:00 -
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In terms of the weapon, yes. In terms of the rogue drones and their activity... I am skeptical towards that. I am inclined to believe that the Jovians do have a connection to this, somehow. |

Kiroma Halandri
9
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Posted - 2012.02.09 21:12:00 -
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No, no, no, no, no. It wasn't the ancient Terrans either. They are more advanced than even the Jovians and Sleepers combined, and not even they have developed Nanite technology that advanced. It has to be the real ancients, the ones that have all ascended by now. Winmatar always wins |

Terokone
Freedom-Technologies The Jagged Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.02.10 04:41:00 -
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Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:Lately I've been tackling rogue drone pockets and missions involving them, and from time to time, I am seeing strings of random binary code in local that they broadcast to me. Now that got me thinking just tonight, has anybody already deciphered the rogue drone binary code? If you have, does it reveal anything interesting of the sort, or just warnings for you to leave the area? 
While I was out in the drone regions, I had actually deciphered some rogue drone local code.
After having played with the binary code and formatting in this post and realizing I screwed up the bytes, I figured I'd just post the direct translation. What it said was: rogue drone wrote:"Enemies are upon us. Activate Code A6192. Defense Mechanism Active!"
Without seeing other rogue drone local chat, I assume the rest of the rogue drones in the drone regions are about the same. I haven't seen the local chat of a sentient drone, however. |

Amaroq Dricaldari
Malicious Mission Murderers
73
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Posted - 2012.02.10 05:03:00 -
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Kiroma Halandri wrote:No, no, no, no, no. It wasn't the ancient Terrans either. They are more advanced than even the Jovians and Sleepers combined, and not even they have developed Nanite technology that advanced. It has to be the real ancients, the ones that have all ascended by now. Ascended beings? That is just an urban legend! This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
145
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Posted - 2012.02.10 14:09:00 -
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Amaroq Dricaldari wrote:Kiroma Halandri wrote:No, no, no, no, no. It wasn't the ancient Terrans either. They are more advanced than even the Jovians and Sleepers combined, and not even they have developed Nanite technology that advanced. It has to be the real ancients, the ones that have all ascended by now. Ascended beings? That is just an urban legend!
Except for that one ascended being that was running about Jita for a while. |

Hans Zwaardhandler
Borealis Mining Concern IMPERIAL LEGI0N
9
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Posted - 2012.02.10 20:53:00 -
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Which one is that one? |
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Gouzu Kho
Kho Incorporated
2
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Posted - 2012.02.10 21:25:00 -
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Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:Which one is that one?
I think he is talking about the "Awakened Infomorph" character that appeared after a certain event in wormhole space. |

Borascus
Hole Diggers
29
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Posted - 2012.02.10 23:19:00 -
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Terokone wrote:Hans Zwaardhandler wrote: While I was out in the drone regions, I had actually deciphered some rogue drone local code.
After having played with the binary code and formatting in this post and realizing I screwed up the bytes, I figured I'd just post the direct translation. What it said was: [quote=rogue drone]"Enemies are upon us. Activate Code A6192. Defense Mechanism Active!"
Without seeing other rogue drone local chat, I assume the rest of the rogue drones in the drone regions are about the same. I haven't seen the local chat of a sentient drone, however.
The need for a linguist is also appealing, in terms of population habitude based on level of modified language!
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Amaroq Dricaldari
Malicious Mission Murderers
73
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Posted - 2012.02.11 02:46:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Amaroq Dricaldari wrote:Kiroma Halandri wrote:No, no, no, no, no. It wasn't the ancient Terrans either. They are more advanced than even the Jovians and Sleepers combined, and not even they have developed Nanite technology that advanced. It has to be the real ancients, the ones that have all ascended by now. Ascended beings? That is just an urban legend! Except for that one ascended being that was running about Jita for a while. Are you saying there really is a Merlin? This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |

Hans Zwaardhandler
Borealis Mining Concern IMPERIAL LEGI0N
9
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:47:00 -
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Any other theories that people may have? What about the Sleeper/Rogue Drone connection that was apparently hinted at by CCP Abraxes awhile back? |

Deceiver's Voice
Project Daedalid
4
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:32:00 -
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Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:Any other theories that people may have? What about the Sleeper/Rogue Drone connection that was apparently hinted at by CCP Abraxes awhile back? Watch The Matrix Revolutions.
Then read Templar One. Then, consider that there are Rogue Drone structures that look suspiciously like Jove stations. Mix, add one pint of your favorite alcohol-based beverage (not that I condone drinking, it just seems the way most people begin to understand my mad ramblings). About then, you might get the most peculiar notions.

Like, for instance, if one could download into a machine from a body, why not download from that machine into another machine? What would happen if you were stuck in a virtual reality for so long that you couldn't cope with the realities of having a body?
It may not make sense at first. But yeah, it's not a direct connection. Also, as Dropbear messaged me on Twitter one day; do a Google search for "Primacy Caveat". Could be something, could be nothing. Never hurts to take a gander.
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Kiroma Halandri
12
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Posted - 2012.02.19 07:53:00 -
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Winmatar uses bump! Its Super Effective! Winmatar always wins |

Roga Dracor
Mental Disorders Inc.
86
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Posted - 2012.02.21 03:10:00 -
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And then, maybe into artificial biological bodies..? How would one escape an infomorphic institution of the mind? Just who went Rogue? When did the Jove begin to fight back? After they were being forced into the virtuality? Do the quarantine sites represent the Enhuadanni or the Jove?
The Sleepers were obviously forcing baseline humans or Jovians into servitude as Enhuadanni or additions to their Virtuality.
There is a distinct similarity in the wording of the Talocan Exchange Depot and a Sleeper structure that recharges and sustains the Sleeper Drones. I always "guessed" it implied the Sleeper Drones themselves are akin to capsuleer vessels, with the exception being the "pilot" no longer had a body, or much will of it's own.
Take for example, "Sleepless Defender", on duty forever. "Awakened Sentinel", a newly jacked in pilot pulled out of the virtuality to defend the stations.. Something became seriously flawwed within their Utopia...
It begs the question, do Sleeper Drones Sleep or Dream? And other inherently mad and dellusional queries, like shouldn't my Gallente standings go down when I kill Rogue Drones, or was that Jovian standings? Whatever DID happen to the those opportunistic Yan Jungs? |

Amaroq Dricaldari
Malicious Mission Murderers
84
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Posted - 2012.02.21 07:34:00 -
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The Sleepers tried to ascend, like the Ori and the Ancients. The Ancients got it right. The Ori don't count because they cheated their way to ascension. And the Sleepers are simply doing it ALL wrong. This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |

Deceiver's Voice
Project Daedalid
4
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Posted - 2012.02.22 09:15:00 -
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Tykari wrote:Well they were supposed to deliver the weapon to a Society of Concious Thought area, so the chances are high the Jove are in some way related to it. Assume the following: The Jove are dead.
If they weren't delivering it to the Jove, who would they be delivering it to?
The answer isn't that hard if you think about it; remember, they were reset. Meaning whoever was behind their operation had no control over them at that point.
Hint:

Bonus points if you can figure out who reprogrammed them.  |

Kiroma Halandri
Malicious Mission Murderers
13
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Posted - 2012.03.08 07:09:00 -
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Deceiver's Voice wrote:[quote=Tykari]If they weren't delivering it to the Jove, who would they be delivering it to? The answer isn't that hard if you think about it; remember, they were reset. Meaning whoever was behind their operation had no control over them at that point. Hint:  Bonus points if you can figure out who reprogrammed them.  The Ori!
I'm not Anti-Social,I just don't like you. |
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Deceiver's Voice
Project Daedalid
8
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Posted - 2012.03.11 05:17:00 -
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Kiroma Halandri wrote:The Ori!
Not as far off as you'd think. 
Try Ishukone, or more accurately, a certain ex-Ishukone CEO's friends/family. There may be a quiz on this later. 
The inhuman "voice" even has a name, and once you know that name, it all fits into place. It's not Jamyl's little "voice", that's for sure. So, who can control drones, and have a way to gain control of them again? Who would have connections with Blood Raiders? Why would the individual(s) in question feel that they had the upper hand in dealing with the Blood Raiders?
The other thing, about who controlled the drones before the code was implemented? It's both a hint to the origin of the drones, and the answer to why the "super weapon" was there in the first place.
I mean, I could just say it all right now, but where would the fun in that be? The evidence is there, in black and white... you just have to put aside your initial theories and look at the evidence from a different point of view. |

Rapcore2
Freelancer Union Unaffiliated
0
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Posted - 2012.03.16 21:28:00 -
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Actually, I did broke the drone signal, and i managed to decript it. Drones say: "You no take candle". |

Amaroq Dricaldari
Malicious Mission Murderers
105
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Posted - 2012.03.18 23:49:00 -
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Candle? This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |

killroy Atram
EVE Protection Agency Intrepid Crossing
6
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Posted - 2012.03.19 02:00:00 -
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Drop-Me-Own-Stocks Darius wrote: It would also be pretty cool to see a bunch of rogue drones found a civilian ship that got damaged by pirates and started attempting to repair it. Or if a squad of rogue drones (seperated from their colony) attempted to dock in a ship's drone bay. Or if they started turning people's drones into more of their kind.
i don't know about repping a ship or docking in a drone bay but i know from experience that they can turn your drones against yourself |

Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune Celestial Imperative
53
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Posted - 2012.03.19 02:48:00 -
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[RP] We can? interesting.
I will have to try this one day. [/RP]
on a more lore related note, iirc there were tales of rogue drones subsuming (infesting / assimilating) humans, and specifically capsuleers when they were first encountered.
the spectrum breach event that supposedly created the rogue drone race caused the entire drone population of several regions to turn on their controllers simultaneously...
and, rogue drones take defeated ships, outposts, scrap, debris and nearby asteroids, and turn them into hives, lairs and more drones. some of the hives even look like scaled up capsuleer ships and drones... (one of them even has an almost dreadnought sized vexor hull attached to the top... o.O )
to answer an earlier question regarding the binary used in missions, there are many different messages that are sent, some have apparent meaning, some are hints, some are red herrings, and others, much like 'prepare to die n00b' are just the devs having a little fun.
(if you want more proof that the devs like to have a laugh, just look at the initials of the meta versions of the target painter) |

Myxx
Blacklight Incorporated Broken Chains Alliance
498
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Posted - 2012.03.19 03:24:00 -
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Unit XS365BT wrote:[RP] We can? interesting.
I will have to try this one day. [/RP]
on a more lore related note, iirc there were tales of rogue drones subsuming (infesting / assimilating) humans, and specifically capsuleers when they were first encountered.
the spectrum breach event that supposedly created the rogue drone race caused the entire drone population of several regions to turn on their controllers simultaneously...
and, rogue drones take defeated ships, outposts, scrap, debris and nearby asteroids, and turn them into hives, lairs and more drones. some of the hives even look like scaled up capsuleer ships and drones... (one of them even has an almost dreadnought sized vexor hull attached to the top... o.O )
I tried to do something with that subsuming thing once, except people apparently thought it a bad idea and screwed it over. I call it a dead end, something a lot of people don't want proven for their own reasons even if it is something that happened. |

Kiroma Halandri
Malicious Mission Murderers
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:39:00 -
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Unit XS365BT wrote:(if you want more proof that the devs like to have a laugh, just look at the initials of the meta versions of the target painter) Partial Weapon Navigation - PWN Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter - PWND Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter - PWNT Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron - PWNAGE
I'm not Anti-Social,I just don't like you. |

Roga Dracor
Fury Lords
91
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:14:00 -
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There is only one reason, I can see, a Rogue Drone might try to rebirth itself in flesh.. It had it's origins in flesh.. But, humour me, anyone else have a plausible reasoning for this behavior?
Oh noes, he's on his Jovian kick again..  |

Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
174
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:52:00 -
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I think it is quite possible that Rouge Drones are degraded 'fragments' of sleeper info-morphs.
Remember the (Damaged) Rogue Drone in Algintal which depicts a Jovian face.
Residual body image, perhaps.
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Roga Dracor
Fury Lords
91
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:37:00 -
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Knowing now more of the hints, it seems probable there was an insurrection of some sort within Anoikis at some point in time.
Possibly before the advanced self destruct system was incorporated in the Sleeper Drones. Actually, I would say there was an onging struggle within Anoikis over a period of time, judging from the quarantined Talocan sites and the more recent Ruins of Enclave Cohort 27.. |
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Deceiver's Voice
Project Daedalid
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:10:00 -
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Roga Dracor wrote:Knowing now more of the hints, it seems probable there was an insurrection of some sort within Anoikis at some point in time. Yup.
Quote:Possibly before the advanced self destruct system was incorporated in the Sleeper Drones. Actually, I would say there was an onging struggle within Anoikis over a period of time, judging from the quarantined Talocan sites and the more recent Ruins of Enclave Cohort 27.. A bit of a reach, but you're looking in the right direction. There's evidence to support the theory. Just because they are Talocan tech does not make them "Talocan". 27 has importance too, but probably not how you think.
Quote: I disagree that the Jove are dead and "gone", though.. Certainly different and no longer human, their race became in most respects, the Enhuadanni. But, I think that a fragment of Jovian remorse has infected the Sleeper Enclaves, and that some exceptional individuals may have learned a new way to exist. Yeah... Templar One. If you haven't read it, please do. "Dead" doesn't mean much when it comes to infomorphs, accessible means a heck of a lot. Long and the short of it, if you had access to such technology and a reasonable assumption of security...
Well, let's just say you are looking at the evidence from the outside. It is reasonable to infer this, but there are other possible explanations that fit the evidence better.
Quote: Then there are the Intaki..  Oh come now... it isn't that hard to figure that piece out. If the Zephyr didn't whack you over the head with Significance, I don't know what could. Except maybe a certain novel that could fill in the blanks as to why exactly this is significant, or a certain chronicle that lays the readily-available groundwork to piecing it all together.
It's why Intaki is important, and why Ishukone and a certain mercenary group would be looking for a deal over the system with someone important from the Federation.
Long and the short of it:
Let's say, for the sake of "wild speculation", that the Jove are Rogue Drones. That means that they could in fact be dead, yet still "accessible" in a manner. The problem is, how would you communicate with them? The individual drones are not Jovians. The Hives may not be Jovians. In fact, the entirety of the Rogue Drone constructs in New Eden may in fact be only one Jovian's Infomorph backup progressing an agenda, in a pre-determined sequence.
A "mirror", if you will, of "Anoikis". A brother to the Sleepers, a THANATOS if you will. 
So, if you wanted to see parallels to Anoikis in New Eden, where would you look? Would you understand what you were looking at, and the intended goals?
Quote:"And there the children of dark Night have their dwellings, Sleep and Death, awful gods. The glowing Sun never looks upon them with his beams, neither as he goes up into heaven, nor as he comes down from heaven. And the former of them roams peacefully over the earth and the sea's broad back and is kindly to men; but the other has a heart of iron, and his spirit within him is pitiless as bronze: whomsoever of men he has once seized he holds fast: and he is hateful even to the deathless gods."
EDIT: Look up "Thanatosensitivity". Also, if you haven't read Templar One, DO SO, even if only to understand that some of these questions are pretty much answered. |

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
368
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Posted - 2012.03.28 07:44:00 -
[42] - Quote
You never tire of trying to imply that you know something others do not, Auwnie?
I wonder if anybody actually buys it.
On topic: It should not be forgotten that the rogue drones not are a unified entity and that the different hives and strains have developed differently due to strong adaptive capabilities. Well, at least that is the official lore until this common misunderstanding suddenly finds its way to the Fiction Portal. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |

Dimitri Drakovich
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:22:00 -
[43] - Quote
On the note of slight easter eggs on CCP's part and what the rogue drones say, the one rogue drone message I converted from binary to not... binary... translated into "all your base are belong to us", or whatever that one quote is. |

Deceiver's Voice
Project Daedalid
8
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:51:00 -
[44] - Quote
Jowen Datloran wrote:You never tire of trying to imply that you know something others do not, Auwnie? Sorry, not Auwnie. I'm just a disenfranchised fan of EVE watching from the sidelines as a well constructed plot is ignored because of the source.
SPOILER:
Templar One answers everything, though the answers probably aren't what most people are looking for. It's really as simple as "Sleepers are Jove", "Enheduanni control people", and "Rogue Drones and Jove are connected in some way that we're not going to openly answer now because it will give away too much of what we have planned".
Long story short (and "REAL SPOILERS AHEAD", or "SERIOUSLY GUYS, TOTALLY SPOILERS")
1. Sleepers are Jove. Yes, Jove. 2. Enheduanni are really ancient Jove (apparently). 3. Jamyl Sarum was cloned and put back together with Sleeper/Jove technology, which was in turn "infected" with a Sleeper AI construct. 4. Enheduanni manipulate the Minmatar Elders. 5. Grious, a Jove, attempted to thwart the Enheduanni plans... which nearly fully gives away his identity as "The Broker". 6. VILAMOS is a drone used by Ishukone to synthesize Insorum. Definitely Jovian, possibly a Sleeper... (half joking btw). The name is a reference to the father of an assassinated Ishukone CEO. 7. Jamyl (as evidenced by the "Superweapon" being refueled at a rogue drone station), can control rogue drones. She can also control Sleeper Drones. It is, of course, not her, but the "rogue drone" AI in her head. This shows what is readily apparent to anyone running the Sisters of EVE Epic Arc: that Sleeper drones rewrite drones into Rogue Drones, and the connection is now readily apparent between Sleepers and Rogue Drones. 8. CONCORD has some nifty tricks that involve clones and AI. 9. If you read Theodicy, The Empyrean Age, Templar One and Ruthless, as well as the chronicles and the Sisters of EVE Epic Arc... you realize you've spent far too much time reading about EVE and far too little time outside. I know this from personal experience. :-P
Finally:
Intaki Reborn/Ida - Probably more investigation needs to be done in that regard, what with the Zephyr and all. See my point on Jamyl above.
Regardless, that's your "mysterious" connection; the Rogue Drones and Sleeper Drones share a common origin, and that origin is most likely Terran if not Jovian. It all ends up in an "unfortunate series of events", and in the end, there's more going on than you probably think (including Sansha invasions; the proof is in the nomenclature, btw).
Anyways; believe it, disprove it, whatever. My job is done. I can now retire from EVE...
...or not.  |

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
371
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:46:00 -
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Reading the stuff takes far less time than writing it.
That the Sleepers and Jove are kinsmen are in fact an old revelation already hinted the Mysterious Sightings mission as background information. I further managed to put the remaining pieces together before the publication of Templar One (here).
I think people should be very careful to distinct between the different drone groups and not merge them together simply because they are drones. You Hobgoblin I is not of Jovian origin either. As such VILAMOS, invented by a brilliant Ishukone senior officer, is not a rogue drone and nothing suggests it should be anything but a very well designed construct. Same goes for the drones onboard the Significance with Dr. Marcus Jror.
I think both the SoE epic arc (which I have all written down here) and the We Humans chronicle actually tells you that the rogue drones are an emergent intelligence that in many ways is in its infant stage. It is not something somebody created on purpose and while it is true that Sleeper/Jove technology appears capable of controlling rogue drones the rogue drones themselves resent this control strongly. This is exemplified by Kotan's discussion with the rogue drones in We Humans and the presence of a rogue drone hive at the final mission of the SoE epic arc that has come to ensure that Dagan no longer will be able to influence control through Sleeper technology. You should further read this A'J project that describes the self-regulating mechanisms the rogue drones apply to keep control.
Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |

Deceiver's Voice
Project Daedalid
8
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:22:00 -
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Jowen Datloran wrote:I think people should be very careful to distinct between the different drone groups and not merge them together simply because they are drones. You Hobgoblin I is not of Jovian origin either. As such VILAMOS, invented by a brilliant Ishukone senior officer, is not a rogue drone and nothing suggests it should be anything but a very well designed construct. Same goes for the drones onboard the Significance with Dr. Marcus Jror. I totally agree. Two points however:
1. VILAMOS is a bit more than meets the eye, I would wager. I am fairly sure it's the "unnamed source" in the World on Fire chronicles that speaks to the Blood Raider Captain. No proof other than instinct though to back that up... The other possibility is a bit too wild to say, and it's just out there - because honestly, if the drones guarding Jamyl's Superweapon were rewritten by a Sleeper AI...
...yeah, best not to look down that road, I think.
2. Jror's drones weren't rogues, but a drone was used by Grious to contact Marcus. Was it rogue? Meh, it seemed fairly controlled to me.
In closing: I'm not going to get sucked into the debate! I've got my very strongly held theories on the Sleeper/Rogue Drone backstory, they contradict the mainstream view, and I shall sit quietly in my corner jabbering nonsensically to myself from now on.
Won't hear a peep.
Honest.
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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
374
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:25:00 -
[47] - Quote
I do not know if there is a mainstream view. All I know that there is my hypothesis backed up by examples and interpretations and then there is a multitude of other guestimates and wishful thinking that live by the hope that the Storyline team will pick up on their little interpretation of events and make it Prime Fiction.
Remember, there really is not much more to EVE Prime Fiction that what is already available for players to see. Cleverly CCP decided not to nail down every lore detail making it much more flexible for them. This also means that whatever explanation or theory you might hold on to could be true as nothing is set in stone, which makes my methodological approach not much better than making stuff up on the spot.
Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |

Roga Dracor
Fury Lords
91
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:57:00 -
[48] - Quote
And you neglect the Jovian Lab Rats, who are most certainly inclusive of these AI's as "Jovians".. So, in fact some of them MAY have been created for purpose.. Rogue Drones could be interupted data transfer signals picked up by random drones, or attempts by any number of agencies who have bits of Sleeper tech (amongst other techs) and toy with the infomorph\artificial intelligence field.
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Hans Zwaardhandler
Borealis Mining Concern IMPERIAL LEGI0N
13
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Posted - 2012.03.29 20:51:00 -
[49] - Quote
The only problem with the theory regarding VILAMO is that he seems to be more centered around protecting Mila and the Insorum facility... it is likely that he got hijacked by another entity and spoke to the Blood Raider captain, but I think that it is someone else, someone of Jovian origin. And the Jovians as Rogue Drones... then we must be killing quite a bit of them some times in missions and what not. |

Deceiver's Voice
Project Daedalid
8
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Posted - 2012.03.30 05:20:00 -
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Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:The only problem with the theory regarding VILAMO is that he seems to be more centered around protecting Mila and the Insorum facility... it is likely that he got hijacked by another entity and spoke to the Blood Raider captain, but I think that it is someone else, someone of Jovian origin. And the Jovians as Rogue Drones... then we must be killing quite a bit of them some times in missions and what not. Well, it's a theory. There's more backing it, and far more theories where that came from, but I learned a while ago that when someone says something unpopular they tend to draw a lot of attention (more so if they're actually correct).
Long and the short of it: 1. Mabnen is important in linking the Blood Raiders, Insorum, VILAMO and (more importantly) Ishukone and Zainou. 2. The Jita 4-4 chronicle fills in some blanks if you are a keen observer.
VILAMO may be the creation of a brilliant mind, but what technology is it based on? VILAMO is a very personal name to give to a construct as well. The name is important to a certain ex-CEO of Ishukone. Insorum and Mila were important to him, so they are important to VILAMO.
Oh, and Jowen? You might find these links interesting. 
Aether Aether Drone Hive
On the SOE Arc: Dagan wasn't controlling the Drones. He was doing something worse, and the fact that the four Empires and Rogue Drones are present at the final meeting is important, and not what you think.
Trust me when I say this, it may not make sense at first.
Research. Document. Educate. It's the only way to be sure.  |
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Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
175
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Posted - 2012.03.30 06:10:00 -
[51] - Quote
Deceiver's Voice wrote: 5. Grious, a Jove, attempted to thwart the Enheduanni plans... which nearly fully gives away his identity as "The Broker".
I'm sceptical about this, their plans seem orthogonal to me, care to elaborate? |

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
374
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Posted - 2012.03.30 06:56:00 -
[52] - Quote
Ehm... yes, I already linked my much more extended research into this previously. Two reports (Algintal Reports 1 - Wrtuk Formur and Algintal Reports 2 - Dronietta ) as well as an analysis of the findings (Investigation of the Algintal Rogue Drone Hive). I do not think I can cover that topic much further.
Seemingly you are missing a part here:
Deceiver's Voice wrote:Research. Document. Educate. And hope people actually pay attention and not go on their baseless ramblings
Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |

Deceiver's Voice
Project Daedalid
8
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Posted - 2012.03.30 07:29:00 -
[53] - Quote
[quote=Wyke Mossari][quote=Deceiver's Voice 5. Grious, a Jove, attempted to thwart the Enheduanni plans... which nearly fully gives away his identity as "The Broker" [/quote
I'm sceptical about this, their plans seem orthogonal to me, care to elaborate?[/quote Grious acting against the Enheduanni is plainly stated in Theodicy. It is reiterated in Templar One, though he admits that it was probably a mistake. [:oops
The Broker definitely acted against the Enheduanni's plans in The Empyrean Age, though The Broker's many personas may not have been aware of why he was doing what he was doing. The evidence points to a goal of restoring balance between the Empires. A plan is set in motion that brings Enheduanni-aligned interests to the forefront, and conversely a counter-movement is started to contain this offensive. All the while, CONCORD watches on, and with a front row seat in one instance (hehehe). While it may seem their position has been compromised, in the end they come out stronger for it
Ask yourself this; what specifically did the Broker want? Why was he striking, and who's position was weakened by the acts? What was the net outcome, and can the ultimate fallout be truly predicted
In the end, who lost the most
Not just over the course of The Empyrean Age, but Templar One as well
I will concede one point though. I haven't fully convinced myself. Regardless, it is where the evidence leads, and most of my doubt comes from the sheer ambiguity of the chronicles (though much of that is cleared up now that Templar One is out)
[b]Jowen:[/b
I am actually being rather forthright and trying to lay out some of my process here. I'm trying to keep it a little light hearted, because truth be told, I take this fairly seriously, and I can (and have) done fairly drastic things when confronted with (perceived) ridicule (like deleting a 50 mil SP character because I figured out quite a bit of CCP Dropbear's hints, and realized at the time no one would even consider the realizations...). I know that's not your intent, but I would like to humbly ask: Please don't misquote me, I'm trying to play nice. Also, if you don't get the reason for what I am linking, just ask
For instance, Aether has a very specific connotation, and it's relevance to the name of the Sisters of EVE arc (as well as the World on Fire chronicles) is VERY important, from a meta perspective
My mind works in a rather odd way. I also don't mean to sound as condescending as I come off as, it sounds a lot better in my head than it does in writing. S |

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
374
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Posted - 2012.03.30 08:06:00 -
[54] - Quote
Frankly, I do not think Dropbear ever knew much about the Algintal missions before I showed them to him through that A'J project.
And I am convinced Tony G for certain knew nothing about them at all. And as he, and not Dropbear, was the brainiac for the overall storyline I am not going to draw connections between those missions and the "epic" plot.
Anyhow, both Dropbear and Tony are gone and the EVE storyline is up for a new interpretation with the new storyline team. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |

Deceiver's Voice
Project Daedalid
8
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:19:00 -
[55] - Quote
Right, back to my corner.  |

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
374
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:33:00 -
[56] - Quote
Heck, feel free to speculate wildly in the open like the rest of us. But assuming that what you have is the "truth" and therefore something that should not be shared is taking it to a place where it does not belong. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |

Deceiver's Voice
Project Daedalid
8
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Posted - 2012.03.30 10:46:00 -
[57] - Quote
Jowen Datloran wrote:Heck, feel free to speculate wildly in the open like the rest of us. But assuming that what you have is the "truth" and therefore something that should not be shared is taking it to a place where it does not belong. Meh, truth is overrated.  |

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
374
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Posted - 2012.03.30 11:39:00 -
[58] - Quote
Sorry if you feel I pick on you, but my goal is to encourage more people to openly speculate and contribute to possible interpretations of Prime Fiction and lore. But I fear many get put off by the cryptic messaging, Wikipedia links out of nowhere and the hints that some official explanation of all things has already been established, out of common sight, and that you are stupid if you have not figured out yet. A shame when the truth is that everything is up in the air and your interpretation is just as well as the next guy. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |

Roga Dracor
Fury Lords
91
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:07:00 -
[59] - Quote
But, the cryptic messaging and sly misdirection is fun, Jowen.. 
I do agree with you on the point that many should be more vocal and put their two cents in.. But, on the other hand, not all of us can be "Jovial" about the hard rhetoric and criticism that inevitably follow..
Most of the likes I've recieved have been when I have darted AWAY from the mainstream view and gone on my mad ramblings, as much because it brings the Lore fanatics like you out to fact check my work.. With the Devs always so "enigmatic" about the facts of the history, people like you are all we lazy guys can rely on.. |

Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
32
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Posted - 2012.03.30 19:24:00 -
[60] - Quote
@Roga: If I stated that a plausible scenario was: Sleeper's originally aimed at the Hyperbole Nexus to transmit information and stellar movement caused the Cobalt Edge to act as an end receiver, whereby the information in transit miss-hit and had to be processed there, instead of the Hyperbole Nexus. <-- then that would be a mad rambling, with plausibility.
Most of your threads/posts are actually cultivating as well as captivating and that in itself is the meaning and spirit of fiction. |
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Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
175
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Posted - 2012.03.30 20:45:00 -
[61] - Quote
I think the Aether is the mythological aspect rather than the fifth classical element (+Air,Earth,Water,Fire). In the personified God form he was the defensive wall of Zeus. In the poem Theogony he is the Guardian of the gateway between Gaia (New Eden) and Tartarus (Underworld). He was linked with Erebus, which I've covered before, he is sometimes know as one of the children of chaos.
Also The Myth or Er
Grious seems to be an agent of Order, and the Broker an agent of Chaos |

Roga Dracor
Fury Lords
91
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Posted - 2012.03.31 01:46:00 -
[62] - Quote
Thank you.. @Borascus
@Wyke The inherent beauty in the mythological overtones are that they are so readily transferable in diverse cultures because they parallel in the reality of the here and now. The Enhuadanni are the ideal techno-psychopomps
With undertones of Aeon Flux and the Matrix pinning it to New Eden... And a good measure of Yan Jung Semiotics(psychohistory) guiding the whole.. 15,000 years since it likely started..
Extinction Burst?
We've seen the salvage drones of the Rogue Drones in fiction, what better way to erase the memories of a civilization.. Who is the bigger enemy, Sansha or the Enhuadanni and the Jovian Elders? Is there a difference? Has there ever been a difference? After all, True Citizens and True Slaves seems to parallel the Elder\Enhuadanni relationship.. |

Hans Zwaardhandler
Borealis Mining Concern IMPERIAL LEGI0N
13
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:17:00 -
[63] - Quote
The Kuvaki family might be important, but I am trying to also figure out what is the endgame of the Jovians, the ones who control the Rogue Drones, what the Sleepers are doing and what they are (possibly planning to do), as well as how all might tie into one another very cleanly and easily. Hell, even Sansha might have a hand in all of this. |

Roga Dracor
Fury Lords
91
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Posted - 2012.03.31 21:13:00 -
[64] - Quote
I would guess the Rogue Drones present a unique medium upon which the infomorphic "Jovians" can piggyback.. And allows a dispersed "network" similar to Anoikis by which they can continue to exist.. The emergent Drone entity, if such a portion of the whole exists, likely benifits from the "Jovian" presence in myriad ways.. If the Jovian Disease is purely biological, it could be the way they have found to inhibit the disease outside the Enclaves and the "constructs" are a recreation of the "Mother Ships" that ferried the race around, which may have been primarily infomorphic at the time of their scuffle with the Amarr... Maybe they lost their Mother Ships along the way?
It seems that the Sleepers are more meat processors than individuals.. Much like True Slaves, they seem to have a very narrow purpose in the society. Apparently, some have been harvesting these organic processors and removing tech from them to repurpose. Sansha, among others.. |

Amaroq Dricaldari
Malicious Mission Murderers
116
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Posted - 2012.04.02 00:23:00 -
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Bump This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |
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