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Robert0288 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2007.12.25 07:17:00 - [1] I'm sure all of you have seen the videos of the never ending parade of macro-isk sellers in Ingunn (if not go watch them) but I never relized how bad the problem is up untill i went there for a little while. IT IS FREAKING CRAZY! i'm use to low sec having maybe 2-20 players mostly semi-afk doing their own stuff, ratting, hauling, pos, few small gate camps etc.... I get to the system, and instead of finding a few dozen people I found a few dozen haulers leaving the staition at once... and more kept leaving. 140 people in local, most of whom have names like 'adfawea' or 'afsdgdfsgsd'. After docking @ the staition I see why, 4 lvl4 qu20 agents that just give out hauling missions? I'm sorry but sticking all those agents there just yells "Farm me!" So after a few hundred haulers undocked infront of my ship. I decided I was going to pop a few, just to see what was going to happen, maybe i'll get lucky and a swarm of poorly fitted drakes out come out and play. But no, all the did was keep on undocking, while I was talking in local about popping them. After a few dozen hauler kills and a 5.0 sec status drop, I'm realizing that almost 90%+ of everyone in this system macros like nuts, so until I see that poorly fitted drake swarm, I'm going to stay here for a little while. But CCP please nerf this crazyness, all its doing is hurting the game. Scatter the agents around to other systems, remove staition (For RP purposes, call it a massive radiological spill and all the agents had to evacuate or something) or drop their rewards so low that it will take 10 missions to cover the loss of an indy, something, anything. I'm hoping you'll remeber this next time a patch comes around, nerf macro mission hauler instead of combat ships plz (looks at poor myrm/arazu+damps)
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.12.25 07:20:00 - [2] Edited by: Arekhon on 25/12/2007 07:20:20 look up Metagamers corp while your there. they are there soley for that purpose. edit: actually the are in orfold i think but that is not too far. Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES]
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.25 07:25:00 - [3] Metafarmers corp, contact stakhanov I've been idling in his channel, but have yet to make it down there... ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :)
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.12.25 07:27:00 - [4] Edited by: Arekhon on 25/12/2007 07:27:19 Originally by: techzer0 Metafarmers corp, contact stakhanov I've been idling in his channel, but have yet to make it down there... yea this is what I meant. edit:metagamers...... Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES]
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.25 07:32:00 - [5] Originally by: Arekhon Edited by: Arekhon on 25/12/2007 07:27:19 Originally by: techzer0 Metafarmers corp, contact stakhanov I've been idling in his channel, but have yet to make it down there... yea this is what I meant. edit:metagamers...... You did it again ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :)
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.12.25 07:40:00 - [6] Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Arekhon Edited by: Arekhon on 25/12/2007 07:27:19 Originally by: techzer0 Metafarmers corp, contact stakhanov I've been idling in his channel, but have yet to make it down there... yea this is what I meant. edit:metagamers...... You did it again no, no I was laughing at me saying it was "metagamers". Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES]
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2007.12.25 07:41:00 - [7] Originally by: Arekhon Edited by: Arekhon on 25/12/2007 07:20:20 look up Metagamers corp while your there. What ?! Yeah we're almost done clearing orfrold , but the last group of NPC corp farmers is rather persistent - will need some heavy camping to root them out. Then , on to Ingunn
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.12.25 07:44:00 - [8] Originally by: Stakhanov Originally by: Arekhon Edited by: Arekhon on 25/12/2007 07:20:20 look up Metagamers corp while your there. What ?! Yeah we're almost done clearing orfrold , but the last group of NPC corp farmers is rather persistent - will need some heavy camping to root them out. Then , on to Ingunn yea my bad Stak, I fked up, I owe you some of my time killng macros. Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES**]
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.25 07:46:00 - [9] I'm bringing down some stuff once I get some isk to get some ships moved into that area /me has been npc'ing to raise isk and needs to get back to -10 again soon ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :)
Krasnij Okjabre Caldari Havoc Inc Blood Blind	Posted - 2007.12.25 12:18:00 - [10] Originally by: Stakhanov Originally by: Arekhon Edited by: Arekhon on 25/12/2007 07:20:20 look up Metagamers corp while your there. What ?! Yeah we're almost done clearing orfrold , but the last group of NPC corp farmers is rather persistent - will need some heavy camping to root them out. Then , on to Ingunn Good luck clearing Ingunn out. Ridiculous amount of macro haulers there. Should get paid to kill them like the vermin they are. You'd be amazed how fast a cast lives run out when you have a hammer.
Naridos Caldari IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.25 12:33:00 - [11] Originally by: techzer0 I'm bringing down some stuff once I get some isk to get some ships moved into that area /me has been npc'ing to raise isk and needs to get back to -10 again soon Yar I will be going with you Techy. Quote: Pandas are the PWN of Eve. Pandas!
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2007.12.25 13:34:00 - [12] Originally by: Krasnij Okjabre Good luck clearing Ingunn out. Ridiculous amount of macro haulers there. Should get paid to kill them like the vermin they are. With some method (and numbers) it should be possible. By the way , my corp is accepting donations - if only to cover ammo expenses
Karentaki Gallente federation navy taskforce	Posted - 2007.12.25 17:19:00 - [13] I knew there were systems full of macro's, but I never knew it was that bad. Seriously - CCP should do something about this. I know its hard to distinguish between farmers and macro's, but if someone is online more than 20 hours a day, every day, for more than 2 weeks then they are either macro'ing or account sharing (or dead) - CCP just need to monitor how long people are logged on (and actively doing stuff) and then ban all the macro's/account sharers. It would take verry little effort and would improve the game a lot. Pity they're too busy nerfing Gallente :P ======
Jogvan coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.25 23:28:00 - [14] I kinda gave up on fixing my sec status, think I'll go pop some macor haulers again. There's a bunch of them in Mamet also, think I saw 60 in local last time I checked Is there any collateral on these hauler missions? It should be a lot higher imo, maybe they would stop running these missions if they lost 10-15 mil every time someone ganks their hauler.
Orar Ironfist Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2007.12.26 00:13:00 - [15] Edited by: Orar Ironfist on 26/12/2007 00:14:16 Lol Dont Worry bout it. Not only is Stakhanov and his band of fellows(and all thier freinds) popping macros like whoa, but i keep hearing reports of Tri gangs going on macro ***qeusts (that also end in killing carriers you lucky dogs you) BTW: Stakh Im just about done assenbling ships and since sec doesnt matter to me anymore i may end up stopping by EDIT: I sp3llz VeRyy B4Blie -=YYYAAAAARRRRRRR!!!!!=-** RIP CRC I loved your sig nerfbats
Shippon Shima	Posted - 2007.12.26 02:57:00 - [16] Its the same in Sibot to Misa systems. 40+ haulers never stop spawning no matter how much you kill them. What is real disappointing is that they use warp to 0 macros so its neigh impossible to catch them unless you have a bubble set up or unless you can tank the gate sentry guns (which I cannot). To add salt to injury, the one getting penalized is the legit player with the security hit. I'd say that the security rating needs to be changed so that a -10 can enter even 1.0 sec space BUT they will get concorded upon hostile action and have only 2 hours timer to return to lowsec space before a concord group is sent after him.
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.12.26 04:56:00 - [17] Originally by: Stakhanov Originally by: Krasnij Okjabre Good luck clearing Ingunn out. Ridiculous amount of macro haulers there. Should get paid to kill them like the vermin they are. With some method (and numbers) it should be possible. By the way , my corp is accepting donations - if only to cover ammo expenses to make up for my "blunder" I will donate 20mil when next I am online p.s. I will still help ya kill some when I see ya next (provided I am able to tank teh sentries) Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES]
Admiral Keyes Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.12.26 14:14:00 - [18] Wait, there are corps around that solely kill macros in low sec for a living? sweet, i'd love to join in on the fun :) Does it pay well with the picking up the loot and ship mods etc...? :) Or is it like all pvp in that you slowly lose money? :P ----------------------------------- Minmatar Republic ~ "In Rust we Trust"
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:34:00 - [19] 2 Words... Heavy Interdictors
Kane Rizzel NovaKane Incorporated Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:02:00 - [20] Edited by: Kane Rizzel on 26/12/2007 20:03:07 Ingunn is ridiculous. A few of the local Pirate corps will pop some macros if they are bored but it gets repetetive after about 5 minutes and we tend to move on and try hunt something more entertaining. (eg: shooting other pirates popping Macros but this does not mean they are protecting macros just looking for a more interesting fight) I've lost a few ships getting jacked by Anti Pies while popping macros. The sheer amount of haulers in the area would require a massive effort to eradicate and would need epic diplomacy to negotiate with local Pirate/PvP corps for temp naps to insure the public service won't get jacked. The local Mission farmers are getting jacked on a regualr basis but they just keep coming back day after day, the haulers are like a plague and CCP is apparently unwilling to do anything about it (I would suggest removing the agents but then that would affect potential targets in the area as a downside, unfortunately we can't have our cake and eat it) ANother thing would be to make the hauler missions require crazy collateral so that if they failed it they would lose a lot of isk, more than just having to replace a hauler Originally by: High Sierra note to self: dont ever say anything to anyone on the internet about anything ever again.
Feta Solamnia	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:29:00 - [21] Edited by: Feta Solamnia on 26/12/2007 20:29:00 Every time you pop one of those haulers, his standings go down with the corp for about 0.2 per missionitem in the can/destroyed. So if you kill them like 5-10 times in a row they're in a world of pain. Non-persistent pressure does nothing to them. Originally by: Oveur I have access to all market data. Believe me, we have not reached anything close to deflation yet.
Daanika	Posted - 2007.12.26 22:33:00 - [22] In vaguely the same spirit as axis & allies playing football on christmas day during WW1, perhaps a two-week (or whatever) declaration of neutrality for Ingunn, so that concerned Eve citizens could more safely converge with macro-hauler-popper ships and keep up an effective measure of pressure. The benefits of getting more players there to help would include: -Sec status hit spread out over more players= less per player, for those who are concerned. -More players involved= theoretical fewer 'windows' when it is 'safe' to haul As well, it would make for an interesting Scope article to have pilots who would otherwise be popping each other, floating side by side in space for the 'greater good'. Maybe I'm crazy...
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.27 00:25:00 - [23] Originally by: Daanika -Sec status hit spread out over more players= less per player, for those who are concerned. Only thing that would spread it out more would be taking turns or something. If you activate a module and stop before the ship blows up you still get a sec hit, even if you warped away or only scrammed the ship/pod Of course some people would happily take the sec hit and wouldn't mind setting up a disco BS camp with the right support... ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :)
Mr Siman Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.12.27 07:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Daanika In vaguely the same spirit as axis & allies playing football on christmas day during WW1 -snip- Just out of curiosity, do you have a source for this?
Grunanca BLACK-FLAG	Posted - 2007.12.27 08:17:00 - [25] When metafarmers move to Ingunn contact me, Ill do my part to get the local pirate corps mobilised so we can camp both stations and all the gates at the same time.
Redbad Minmatar Mean Corp	Posted - 2007.12.27 10:04:00 - [26] Originally by: Grunanca When metafarmers move to Ingunn contact me, Ill do my part to get the local pirate corps mobilised so we can camp both stations and all the gates at the same time. Hey, what about our industrials sales Grun! You'll kill our only income! RB
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2007.12.27 10:05:00 - [27] Originally by: Mr Siman Originally by: Daanika In vaguely the same spirit as axis & allies playing football on christmas day during WW1 -snip- Just out of curiosity, do you have a source for this? ya rly
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.27 10:38:00 - [28] TNC would be interested in this.. /me looks at our MacroHauler popper of the corp
Sean Dillon Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.27 17:27:00 - [29] WTB fitted sniper mega in iguun, plz pm me if u have one.
Haz Newton Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.12.28 07:30:00 - [30] i have bestowers and stuff for sale at 12 mill a pop in certain stations there i pop the ship they just rebuy it, crazy

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