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Aoki Shinya
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Posted - 2007.12.25 07:38:00 -
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Edited by: Aoki Shinya on 25/12/2007 07:38:18 Hi, recently I've had a lot of problems fighting vexors in my rupture, and actually drone ships in general. Any rupture pilots out there have an effective strategy of dealing with vexors, arbitrators, etc.?
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.25 07:48:00 -
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Hmm, I haven't run across any since they had their drone bay increased, but I've had good luck just blasting through them.
In a Stabber I'm relegated to killing their drones off as quick as I can, but the Rupture should have enough DPS to just ... obliterate them.
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Zana Kito
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.25 09:09:00 -
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Plate the rupture (1600mm tungsten), use the lowest tier medium ACs. mwd, web, scram.
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Condecinte
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Posted - 2007.12.25 09:39:00 -
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And then we release waves of ecm drones and the shoe is on the other foot.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol The Fifth Race
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Posted - 2007.12.25 09:39:00 -
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Good theories here.
Fact is a skilled drone pilot will have some players struggling to hit their drones efficiently. And a truly good drone pilot reps his drones in real time.
Any Vexor you encounter is also going to be fitted with a 1600mm plate. And while you're fighting his drones he's piecing you apart.
My advice against MY Vexor would be to try and kill me asap, before I do chew you to pieces. Even with a 1600mm plate, you have to keep in mind that's nerfing your dps. SO
Fit an 800mm plate and go BIGGER GUNS. More guns, more glory. Also, be sure to fit a nossie and then go standard tank. It will be more effective than you think. _________________ Burn. |
Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.12.25 09:43:00 -
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I prefer 800 RT plate on a Rupture and two gyrostab IIs. With that, you can either fly like it like a Stabber (as you still outrace any plated cruiser) or just attempt to gank the crap out of anyone.
Rifters!
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Lazuran
Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.25 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko I prefer 800 RT plate on a Rupture and two gyrostab IIs. With that, you can either fly like it like a Stabber (as you still outrace any plated cruiser) or just attempt to gank the crap out of anyone.
this ... 1600mm, 180mm t2, 2 gyro T2. Use explosive drones and Hail M for armor tankers... Watch that plated Vexor die in 30s.
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.25 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Good theories here.
Fact is a skilled drone pilot will have some players struggling to hit their drones efficiently. And a truly good drone pilot reps his drones in real time.
Any Vexor you encounter is also going to be fitted with a 1600mm plate. And while you're fighting his drones he's piecing you apart.
My advice against MY Vexor would be to try and kill me asap, before I do chew you to pieces. Even with a 1600mm plate, you have to keep in mind that's nerfing your dps. SO
Fit an 800mm plate and go BIGGER GUNS. More guns, more glory. Also, be sure to fit a nossie and then go standard tank. It will be more effective than you think.
There's one problem with your theory.
You assume a foolish Minmatar pilot who wants to fly his Rupture like a blasterboat.
Good Minmatar pilots will keep 15km away or so with a 1 pt. scram, web and kill a Gallente pilot's drones, and once that is finished grind down the Gallente ship with his superior autocannon falloff. ------------------- I nerfed my own sig To amuse you, here is my Retriever ever since its first Trinity deployment. RIP. * * * * ** * * * ** * * * * * *** * ** ** |
Daanika
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Posted - 2007.12.25 16:05:00 -
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Even one small smart bomb can be very effective against small/med drones. definately worth dropping a HAM for.
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6Bagheera9
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.12.25 16:58:00 -
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I have a Rupture but I'm lacking a competent Vexor pilot to "experiment" with. See you in low-sec.
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Feng Schui
Minmatar The Ninja Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.25 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: 6Bagheera9 I have a Rupture but I'm lacking a competent Vexor pilot to "experiment" with. See you in low-sec.
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.25 17:05:00 -
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Fit ecm drones and kite him. Don't bother killing the drones. 1600mm plated Rup with 2 gyros and Barrage = dead Vexor. ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright |
Aoki Shinya
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Posted - 2007.12.25 21:21:00 -
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on ECM drones... wouldn't their drones just kill your ECM drones?
On tanking the rupture... I've found that an 800mm RT plate with an MARII is by far superior to a 1600mm plate. I fit 2 gyrostabs, a DCUII (EANM II instead if you can), 800 plate and the MAR II on lows.
On ganking... I have a full gank setup with 220s, heavy missiles and 2 medium/2 light drones... even with this setup I am wary of engaging a vexor pilot headon as has been suggested. With drone interfacing at 4 that is a lot of DPS that is being put out by those drones... and I have killed a one week old vexor that had THREE 800mm plates fitted. I will give the 1600mm plate gank setup a try, but this seems like a foolhardy setup to fly when there may be thoraxes around.
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.26 03:56:00 -
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Edited by: Drek Grapper on 26/12/2007 03:58:32 Edited by: Drek Grapper on 26/12/2007 03:56:50 My Ecm drones always get a jam. Even if he goes for your drones it means he's not hitting you. This Ruppi eats most cruisers for breakfast...
T2 180's (Barrage/Faction Ammo) Assaults
MWD Scram X5
1600mm RT Suitcase 2 EANM2 or Resist mod 2 x Gyro2
1med 4 x Small Ecm drones.
This setup has only lost 2 cruiser 1v1's, a Nano Cara...(Drones got a jam so i could have warped but decided to try finish it) and a Rax in a duel where the other guy said he don't like my ecm drones so i used Warriors. I forgot to switch out a Gyro for another resist mod (use more tank with damage drones) and he only just beat me. We were both deep in hull when i popped it was very, very close. This Rupture v Vexor, 3-0. The 1600mm plate and the DCU2 add alot of Hp which takes a long time to chew through.
Try this fit...trust me you will like it. ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright |
Sinnbad Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.12.27 23:15:00 -
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The theory behind Vexor vs Rupture is pretty simple.
Stay out of web range, kill his drones while he struggles to catch you and stay FAR away from his blasters.
Something to keep in mind: He is not fast enough to catch you, he needs his cap and close range for his blasters. He cannot remote rep his drones past 9k, so throw out that theory.
So fit accordingly.
(and dont bother with T1 guns on your Ruppie, they suck) |
Aoki Shinya
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Posted - 2008.01.01 21:32:00 -
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Very good last two replies, thanks a lot guys!
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Vireti
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Posted - 2008.01.02 02:21:00 -
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If anyone ever came along doing that to me i'd just ol the mwd and warp off when they swung round the back, so would anyone else with half a brain.
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General Coochie
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.01.02 03:20:00 -
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Edited by: General Coochie on 02/01/2008 03:20:13
Originally by: Vireti If anyone ever came along doing that to me i'd just ol the mwd and warp off when they swung round the back, so would anyone else with half a brain.
yup as long as it isn't a duel where warping out means loss, a ruppy can never keep out of web range and inside scram range? if the other ship got a MWD, (and they do) Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes |
Teebee
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.01.02 03:57:00 -
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Edited by: Teebee on 02/01/2008 03:58:30 Edited by: Teebee on 02/01/2008 03:57:57 With ecm drones and a web the rupture becomes the best 1v1 T1 cruiser in the game imo. against a vexor just send your ecm drones web - get out of range - web and kill the drones then kill the ship.
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Dors Venabily
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Posted - 2008.01.02 04:14:00 -
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Hmm looking at these setup you all assume that the vexor pilot is just going to sit there or that all of them only fit blasters ?
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Lord Gendor
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.02 07:32:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Gendor on 02/01/2008 07:33:12 I usually plan for the worst so I usually assume I'm fighting a full tech II fit ship (unless the pilot is fairly new to eve), and with a vexor that it has a armor tank with a 1600mm plate, and probably has a nos or two fit and a web. If he is using T1 or a nanoed vexor or something weird then its most likely an advantage for you in a rupture.
Now you have two choices, you can either try to orbit him at 15km and pop his drones before you go in for the kill, but if he has rails fit, a mwd or very good drone skills this might not end well.
Your other choice is to get on top of him and hope you can kill him before he kills you - to do this you will need to have great gunnery/drone/cap/tanking skills and preferably cruiser V.
Vexors are probably one of the toughest T1 cruisers to beat in a cruiser, especially if the vexor pilot has good skills. You could also try using a stabber instead, I have had some luck beating vexors in it - it usually is a extremely close fight though, where im left in deep armor or even structure. Last vexor I popped in my stabber i survived with 190 structure .
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.02 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Gendor Edited by: Lord Gendor on 02/01/2008 07:33:12 I usually plan for the worst so I usually assume I'm fighting a full tech II fit ship (unless the pilot is fairly new to eve), and with a vexor that it has a armor tank with a 1600mm plate, and probably has a nos or two fit and a web. If he is using T1 or a nanoed vexor or something weird then its most likely an advantage for you in a rupture.
Now you have two choices, you can either try to orbit him at 15km and pop his drones before you go in for the kill, but if he has rails fit, a mwd or very good drone skills this might not end well.
Your other choice is to get on top of him and hope you can kill him before he kills you - to do this you will need to have great gunnery/drone/cap/tanking skills and preferably cruiser V.
Vexors are probably one of the toughest T1 cruisers to beat in a cruiser, especially if the vexor pilot has good skills. You could also try using a stabber instead, I have had some luck beating vexors in it - it usually is a extremely close fight though, where im left in deep armor or even structure. Last vexor I popped in my stabber i survived with 190 structure .
Well, essentially if you can win in a Stabber, you can apply the same tactic to the Rupture; unless the Vexor is nanoed instead of plated, but then you can just kill him. Again, if he's using a 1600mm plate fit, you can disengage. Which is the advantage of 'stick at 15km' tactic.
As for just going in for the kill; well, I don't know wether I'd risk it without cruiser V (which I don't have) and really top notch gunnery skills (which I do have, though). If you do have all that and a setup with two gyro IIs and 220s or 425s the 'melt him' approach just might work.
Plus, when you really need to put in mad damage, the Rupture comes in ahead because you can overheat the guns, and the Vexor cannot overheat the drones fortunately
Rifters!
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Reacz
Caldari Empirius Enigmus Navy Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.01.02 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: Reacz on 02/01/2008 11:09:14
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Lord Gendor Edited by: Lord Gendor on 02/01/2008 07:33:12 I usually plan for the worst so I usually assume I'm fighting a full tech II fit ship (unless the pilot is fairly new to eve), and with a vexor that it has a armor tank with a 1600mm plate, and probably has a nos or two fit and a web. If he is using T1 or a nanoed vexor or something weird then its most likely an advantage for you in a rupture.
Now you have two choices, you can either try to orbit him at 15km and pop his drones before you go in for the kill, but if he has rails fit, a mwd or very good drone skills this might not end well.
Your other choice is to get on top of him and hope you can kill him before he kills you - to do this you will need to have great gunnery/drone/cap/tanking skills and preferably cruiser V.
Vexors are probably one of the toughest T1 cruisers to beat in a cruiser, especially if the vexor pilot has good skills. You could also try using a stabber instead, I have had some luck beating vexors in it - it usually is a extremely close fight though, where im left in deep armor or even structure. Last vexor I popped in my stabber i survived with 190 structure .
Well, essentially if you can win in a Stabber, you can apply the same tactic to the Rupture; unless the Vexor is nanoed instead of plated, but then you can just kill him. Again, if he's using a 1600mm plate fit, you can disengage. Which is the advantage of 'stick at 15km' tactic.
As for just going in for the kill; well, I don't know wether I'd risk it without cruiser V (which I don't have) and really top notch gunnery skills (which I do have, though). If you do have all that and a setup with two gyro IIs and 220s or 425s the 'melt him' approach just might work.
Plus, when you really need to put in mad damage, the Rupture comes in ahead because you can overheat the guns, and the Vexor cannot overheat the drones fortunately
Vexor with rails can still hit pretty hard at 15km + with Antimatter and good skills. You can overheat them as well. You could also attempt to get into web range of the Stabber by overheating your AB and web, once at 12km hes f***ed.
OFC if the Stabber is packing T2 ammo, the Vexor pilot is going to be at a disadvantage, cos well T2 Railgun ammo sucks nuts.
Vexor is one of the best cruisers, if flown correctly.
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