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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.03.17 09:17:00 -
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Greetings citizens!
As already started on Intergalactical Summit IS link I intend to gather the "roleplayers" of EVE to unite and increase the roleplay aspects of EVE.
Until now, occasional attemps have been made by GMs and CCP to improve RP, but in comparision to the pure balancing and technical changes, and in regard of the many "powerplayers" who do not care too much about roleplay, I feel there should be done more, much more.
I see two fields that need improvement, this is a) the game itself, technically spoken, and b) the players that need to get involved more into the roleplay.
I would like to have an ooc-meeting of the roleplay corporations, next sunday EVEning (21:00 EVE) where we talk about complains and possible improvements regarding EVE and roleplay. It will certainly become more a brainstorming session, but might lead to decent proposals, too.
Proposals like:
RP demonstration event, stronger public relation of/for roleplay corporations, more RP features ingame (where can I give my slaves to someone who cares? missions? changes in CONCORD/local security?) ...
It would be good to read your comments and ideas here before we start talking on sunday.
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Garreck
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Posted - 2004.03.17 10:29:00 -
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I am interested in seeing how strong of a response this gets. There definitely needs to be more roleplay in this roleplaying game.
When people actually begin roleplaying, they will find that Eve suddenly becomes a much richer environment. I'll spread word of this meeting to a few roleplayers I know that are interested in seeing rp shape the Galaxy around them.
Garreck
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Sha Kharn
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Posted - 2004.03.17 11:36:00 -
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Count me in!
Trying hard to further roleplaying with in my own corp and those players we come in contact with.
If im invited to the ooc-meeting is there a problem with my Intel / Cultural Officer attending the meeting as she has many strong cultural/Game related role-playing views.
Regards Sha Kharn
CEO Sha Kharn Corp
Working hard to make a nastier EVE for Amarrs to live in.
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Sahshioh
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Posted - 2004.03.17 11:47:00 -
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There are quite a few roleplaying corporation, including ours. I think more and more people are getting into roleplaying because its just more fun than powergaming.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.03.17 11:59:00 -
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First, good luck Randuin with this endeavour.
Second, I think the estimate of how many RP'ers are acitve in Eve depends on your definition of RP.
For example, i consider myself a Roleplayer for most of the time. But i don't go to much trouble to adapt my behaviour to be one.
I would consider anyone immersed in the game a Roleplayer. I play my role as corp recruiter as the role it is. I play my role as military oriented character as well, by focusing on military politics in Eve out of interest.
I think the thing that distincts these roleplayers from powergamers is not the language used but the way people handle game mechanics and interact with the content the game offers.
In short: calculating you weapons damage may be RP under some circumstances as it is a natural thing to do for a citizen of the Eve galaxy. But considering the leg effect of mines deployed at gates is not, as lag would never be an actual part of this galaxy if it were real.
In this light i would consider about 60% rounghlt to be roleplayers actually.
Rod Blaine
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Karunel
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Posted - 2004.03.17 12:05:00 -
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I'd like to say that the INO's interested and has plans to increase the RP actities going on in the game, and that you're welcome to drop by the #INO channel in the Stratics network if you want to discuss possible ideas. 
Where will that meeting take place in? INO will definitely be there.
Best regards.
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DeT Resprox
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Posted - 2004.03.17 12:20:00 -
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I personally have always been into the RP aspect of EvE since playing in Beta. As you know Randuin, i have even been involved in a few RP based battles alongside yourself on the odd occasion. We were even involved in a 3week RP based war with Garrecks guys a few weeks back (hi Garreck  ).
EvE definitely needs to be uplifted in the RP department. It's very much a case at the moment of those who wish to follow storylines and EvE's universe history and race traits and those who arent due to purposes of their own. It would be great to see EvE evolve around actions taken by those ingame who actually RP it to change the universes state. The news coverage in the past for instance at eveguardian.com of Minmatar vs Amarr through PIE vs ORACLE etc battles has uplifted the RP aspects a great deal for both these races for others into RPing to come and join in on either race side.
However, there is sooo much more that can be done for eve other than that - i'd much rather be involved in whats going on out there than someone that mines and makes cash for themslef or their corp not knowing what may be affecting the universe around me in the game
See you at 21:00 Sunday
DeT Resprox
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Posted - 2004.03.17 12:22:00 -
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lets see if i can make it to log the thing
should be good.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Khull
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Posted - 2004.03.17 13:06:00 -
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How can i get involved in some of the roleplay you folk enjoy?
Im in a one player (three characters) corporation and have great difficulty making contact with people that are interested in rp.
I didnt want to join another corporation because i liked the idea of setting one up myself but it has isolated me a bit.
If any of you could evemail me - or post here - and let me know how to go about this i would be grateful
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Sha Kharn
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Posted - 2004.03.17 14:01:00 -
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How can i get involved in some of the roleplay you folk enjoy?
Im in a one player (three characters) corporation and have great difficulty making contact with people that are interested in rp.
I didnt want to join another corporation because i liked the idea of setting one up myself but it has isolated me a bit.
If any of you could evemail me - or post here - and let me know how to go about this i would be grateful
I would advise that you contact other same race corps in your area of ops and have a chat.
Once you find a role playing corp mabe they will invite you along to events. Forming NAP''''s/alliances with other Caldari role playing corps would be a good way to go.
Being a cladari it shouldnt be to hard getting involved with the amarrs role-playing either. God knows there going to need the allies when us minmatars come round for a house call.
Try contacting PIE corp or Rome if you support there cause. Amarr-caldari relations have never be so good since the old days of full scale inter race war back b4 we were born .
One last idea for you would be to build your corp to a size where you can stand up and be noticed! Start running your own role-playing Corp and drag others in with you.
Ah and theres also ingame chats created by players where like minded role-players hang out. There is a minmatar one (anti amarr) for example.
Many of these require an invite and some are vv closely guarded, however there are others out there that welcome with open doors. If you cant find one start posting that your looking 4 one or even start your own
PS start working for the amarrs and your on a vvv long hit list . Good luck out there
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Damocles Ician
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Posted - 2004.03.17 14:18:00 -
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I'm very interested in any roleplaying enhancements - please count me! I would appreciate any other details of RP'ing chat channels.
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Darodem
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Posted - 2004.03.17 14:55:00 -
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There is currently a choice to be made if you roleplay. You have to ignore your current operations and commitments in order to participate. You could use alts but that will degrade the experience and meaning. All that would be fine except lots of players, who will be glad to gank you later, are busy getting a real advantage while you play in crielere or some other roleplay area. The best I can do right now is get with an alliance that has some backstory and play with a teams that fill out their bios.
I believe any real improvement in roleplay will to some extent have to address that choice between advantage and story participation.
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.03.17 15:15:00 -
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I am happy to see the response and if this initiative only helps some of us to find a proper and decent "role" it would be worth it already.
Of course, I want more impact than that :smile:
To allow everyone to join the meeting (not only CEOs are welcome, you can invite your corp members or friends, regardless of their position/rank/race/role) I will set up a channel ingame, maybe MMORPG if this one is still available. I will open an according channel tonight, testwise, and post its name here.
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2004.03.17 15:20:00 -
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Good luck, some new RP tools would be handy. I'll try to get to the meeting, but most likely won't :)
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.03.17 15:51:00 -
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If it goes like I hope, it will not be the last meeting.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.03.17 15:56:00 -
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Another problem is that way too many people see RP as either Amarr vs Minmatar or Caldari vs Gallente. TBH thats the very basic roleplaying and pretty much is a one trick pony. The Racial politics were a nice training area for beginers but it would be nice to see more people branch out and move beyond the simplistic.
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Chuck Manzon
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Posted - 2004.03.17 15:57:00 -
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If I could get out of my ship and walk around a bit it would help.
I dont really care if they ever do that, but it would be nice to walk around a station.
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Mikhayl Ruzhyo
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Posted - 2004.03.17 15:58:00 -
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Improving the RP aspect of this mmoRPg
It's actually an MMOG and is such for a reason
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.03.17 16:04:00 -
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Quote:
Another problem is that way too many people see RP as either Amarr vs Minmatar or Caldari vs Gallente. TBH thats the very basic roleplaying and pretty much is a one trick pony. The Racial politics were a nice training area for beginers but it would be nice to see more people branch out and move beyond the simplistic.
Indeed, the last weeks did show evidence for this, people working on "new pathes". Something I am absolutely appreciating.
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Improving the RP aspect of this mmoRPg
It's actually an MMOG and is such for a reason
Oh, seems someone changed my CD box ... afaik it was MMORPG ...  at least when I joined during the days of Medusa.
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Kilhu Emmek
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Posted - 2004.03.17 16:25:00 -
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Nice initiative, Randuin.
Gradient's an RP corp and we spend a lot of time kicking around RP aspects in our ooc channel, talking about history and the current state of affairs between the empires, the different corporate (NPC) stances, etc. Lot of material out there, the trick is just figuring out how to apply it to your gaming style. Lot of room for finesse in RP.
I'll definitely be at this meeting.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.03.17 16:46:00 -
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Problem is most want it plain and simple, big bad evil slaver vs shiny poet freedomfighter clownface...
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.03.17 17:17:00 -
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i realy agree with Muad Dib on this one. The caldari roleplay chat went something like this:
Caldari Guy1: HAIL CALDARI BROTHERS
Caldari Guy 2: HAIL BROTHER. THOSE GALLENTE SUCK
Caldari Guy 3: YES, THEY DO. WE NEED TO GO KILL THEM AND TAKE CALDARI PRIME.
Caldari Guy 1: YES, BROTHERS...ummmmm...did u watch the Superbowl last night? it was awesOM!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.03.17 18:35:00 -
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Agreed with Negotiator and Maud totally, the default RP positions of the start-up empires have been a distinctly mixed blessing in my view. Decent longetivity in roleplaying requires other dimensions in characterisation. Its very useful to view the national/environmental prejedices of your character choice as just one element of the characterisation you build up. One-dimensionality becomes boring fast, and it does leave you very open to having your roleplaying direction hacked to bits by clever IC commentators.
I think some kind of a link a character creation guide for tabletop roleplay might be useful;
Some walkthrough to the creative process ie:
1. where do you come from?
2. how were you educated?
3. what are you feelings to the state?
4. did you rebel/conform?
5. first contact with cosmopolitan influences?
6. how do current politics make you feel?
7. how does the concord enforced peace make you feel?
8. how does live (non npc) political structure effect your thinking?
9. how does practical understanding of the game environment impact your thinking?
etc etc
There are some important issues here for roleplayers, but I can personally say that my best roleplaying moments in eve have been with people who have more complicated personalities that simply "I am X I hate Y blah!"
Motivations and wierdness and interesting slants on significant in-game events turn me on.
I like to roleplay but I hate roleplay being irrelevent. Roleplay needs teeth, it needs ships and fighters and power to make it significant. Ivory tower nonsense and lets pretend is sad really, because it convinces the game world that RP is meaningless froth.
Roleplayers need to engage with the game realities and make things happen (and roleplay while doing that) rather than sit in the corner and worry about how their roleplaying is being ignored.
On that note I would invite interested people to "la maison" channel (linked from my sig) at the current time you will need to chat to a regular and get an invite (following the FE sabotage a week ago) but if you agree to the channel rules there is no problem.
The reason I like "la maison" is it mixes ordinary players with roleplayers and convinces everyone to chat in an IC environment. And these aren't "nobody" players, but some of the biggest names in Eve representing big alliances and big corporations. Their decisions influence the game. Thats what I believe Roleplaying should be involved with.
We can take this game environment by storm, but we have to be prepared to do more than talk about it!
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.17 18:43:00 -
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Perhaps CCP should allow certain unique features to genuine RP corporations with strict rules defining what is and what isn't considered RP'ing.
These features can be granted on a case-by-case basis with the agreement of the opposing corporations(s) CEO's.
This could be something along the lines of increasing the number of sanctionable wars above the current limit of 3 as long as your opponents agree to it (I abhor the very thought of consensual war but I think RP corps would take a much better approach to this than your average corp.).
RP corps. would consist of either 100% same-race members or at most 5% of the membership can be any race except the opposing one.
Increased participation in ingame news would be nice too.
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Bhurak
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Posted - 2004.03.17 18:45:00 -
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You know I'm in.
As for RP with teeth, I'm of 2 minds with that. Somne of the best RP in my mind is character developement, due to choices etc. It's fun to blow the living crap out of your opponents, but really, it ends up being meaningless and or mindless.
Random Miner> Did you how steal my ore, lacked prospects or a bright future the thing you wanted me to take the fight airship to hit you
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.03.17 18:53:00 -
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Quote:
Perhaps CCP should allow certain unique features to genuine RP corporations with strict rules defining what is and what isn't considered RP'ing. These features can be granted on a case-by-case basis with the agreement of the opposing corporations(s) CEO's. This could be something along the lines of increasing the number of sanctionable wars above the current limit of 3 as long as your opponents agree to it (I abhor the very thought of consensual war but I think RP corps would take a much better approach to this than your average corp.).
RP corps. would consist of either 100% same-race members or at most 5% of the membership can be any race except the opposing one. Increased participation in ingame news would be nice too.
Sorry Josh, but thats about the worst idea I have ever heard from you! Its tantamount to saying that only frothing nationalists can be roleplayers ... Eve is a multi-cultural mixed society in game. Background wise the massive majority of corps mix nationalities. Its a societal melting pot which creates complexity.
To suggest that only nationally "pure" corps can be genuine roleplayers is tosh.
;)
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.17 18:54:00 -
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See if I ever post an idea again *sniffle*
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.03.17 18:56:00 -
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ah its okay Josh, I stil love you! (but you have to take that last "idea" out to backyard and shoot it in the head)
;)
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.17 19:01:00 -
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Regardless of that poor idea, RP corps. should get more ingame news column inches.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.03.17 19:22:00 -
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RP is the one thing in EVE that really is what you make of it. OOC I love my corpmates. They are some of the nicest most fun to be around people I've meet. In character my corpmates drive me crazy. Getting anything done is like herding cats. They seem to have a severe allergy to work and Jade thinks brevity is a Gallente after dinner drink.
In character they think I'm a overly nationalistic Caldari. Who shoots people he shoudn't and has oafish tendencies. It sets up some nice dynamics. Example: Jericho has as it's over riding principle that 0.0 space should be open to all. Well and good for my character since open means trade and I'm all about money. Where we differ is that most of my corpmates preffer the route of diplomacy and concensus building. Where as I believe that the only way to open 0.0 space is with a force so strong that no one can close it.
This sets up all sorts of RP conflict even in my own corp. Also since my corp is mostly sympathic to the Minmatar plight and I am mostly a pro Amarr supporter there is another lvl of tension.
The devil is in the details.
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