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OldMan Stone
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Posted - 2007.12.26 01:54:00 -
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my race is Caldari I am planning on mining and other things like bounty hunteing
this ships i am planing on using are Bantam badger Osprey and the retriever
well my questions are
can i use the badger as a miner or should i just use the bantam and jetcan pick up using the badger and the badger be used with the general freight container
jetcan mining
form what i got is you get a industry ship (a Badger) to take a general freight container to where you will be mining and locks it and Anchors it then you warp back to the station and get into your miner craft and warp back to the mining site and starts to mine and fill the container then you retrieve it when it is full. so am i missing any thing? can any one take the cargo contaner?
then when i get an osprey just repeat?
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VB Sarge
The Bastards
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Posted - 2007.12.26 01:59:00 -
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Almost... that would be mining into a GSC (giant secure container) and can be used in .7 and below. this prevents ore theft, but isn't the easiest way to go about things.
Jet can mining is:
Mine your hold full of ore.
Jettison the ore.
Open up the jet can.
As you mine more ore, drag and drop it into the jet can.
When you have gathered a decent amount, grab your badger, and haul the ore back to the station.
When you get an Osprey and Retriever, you'll rinse and repeat this just as you would in a Bantam.
The badger doesn't make a good miner. It would take literally hours to fill up, as you can only use 1 mining laser. Plus, it has no bonus to mining, so you wont be mining very much anyways.
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BerSerKer 13
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Posted - 2007.12.26 03:46:00 -
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ok thankyou for the information
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari
Isseras Manufacture
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Posted - 2007.12.27 09:37:00 -
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Even a Bantam at Caldari Frigate I will outmine a Badger by about 120+%. This due to having an extra mining laser and a 20% bonus to yield. At Caldari Frigate IV there's an even larger difference. The Osprey will even outmine a Procurer with decent skills and T2 mining lasers. (That said, don't get a Procurer :P).
 Originally by: GM Tacgnol
Oveur descended from the heavens (also known as the second floor) and beat us all with his nerfbat.
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Orion Shurtak
Mission Runners United
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Posted - 2007.12.27 11:38:00 -
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I wouldn't advise you mining into a jetcan. Anyone can take the ore you mined into it even while your there. If your going to do solo mining, mine into a secure container then when it's full go back and get your badger to haul it.
It's better to get a buddy to mine/haul with so u have someone there with you to haul the ore in. This prevents anyone from stealing it.
Good luck in the game.
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Ky Vatta
Caldari
Majority 12
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Posted - 2007.12.27 19:19:00 -
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 You can only use an Industrial ship like the Badger, if you have paid for the full game
Industrial ship usage is forbidden on Trial accounts
Yes, I know it sucks....
Btw, this message is for any people on Trial account still
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NightKhaos
Gallente
Seridian Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.27 21:13:00 -
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Jetcan mining can be alright in a quiet system.
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Gartel Reiman
Project F3
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Posted - 2007.12.27 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Orion Shurtak
I wouldn't advise you mining into a jetcan. Anyone can take the ore you mined into it even while your there.
It's a risk vs. reward thing really. I don't mine very often, but when I do it solo I have always jetcan mined and have never had it stolen. That's not to say it won't happen, as it will - but if jetcan mining increases your yield by 20%, say (due to not having to stop mining for a couple of minutes every 3,900m^3) and one in every 10 of your jetcans gets stolen, then you're still better off jetcanning and accepting the occasional theft than mining into a secure can.
It depends very much on the system and whether ore theives tend to roam there. I believe this was the reason for my being left in peace - I chose fairly quiet systems (and let's face it, if you're mining veldspar or scordite you can pretty much choose any high-sec system). Additionally - if you really really need a certain amount of ore in the next hour or so, then the 'guaranteed' yield of secure can mining is clearly better than the change you will mine for tens of minutes only to have it stolen just as you go for your hauler. (On the same note, if you tend to develop an irrational attachment to 'your things', and would feel very upset if someone stole your ore, then obviously don't give them the opportunity).
One thing I'll definitely reiterate is that if someone does take your ore, just write it off and ignore the thief. Do not engage him as there is a good chance that is what he wants, and an equally good chance you will lose your ship as well as your ore when he defends himself. If you find your ore being stolen a lot, then rethink your location/decision to jetcan mine.
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Vivian Porter
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Posted - 2007.12.28 01:12:00 -
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Yeah. Whatever kind of mining you are doing - mining in a quiet system is best. Look at your map and set the filter to show "pilots in space" - this will give you an idea of how active the system is.
Go to some quiet out of the way spot - and do your mining there.
Another advantage of quiet out of the way spots - is if they have a base there - the rent is usually only 10k. So you can set up there and have a close spot to dump your ore.
Also - you can keep your local chat channel up so that you can see who is in the system. Check them out, see how long they've been playing, see what their security rating is. If you mine there a lot - you'll get to know who they are and if they are a threat. Just keep in mind that while a low security rating should raise alarms - a high security rating does NOT mean he won't steal your stuff.
And - YES - the primary reason they steal your stuff is NOT because they want your stuff. They steal your stuff so that you will attack them - giving them the excuse to blow you up.
Mining is really best done as a team. Ideally, you want like two guys mining and one guy hauling.
One guy jettisons his ore. All three members of your "fleet" (being in the same fleet you can all access the can without being flagged as thieves) open the jet can and keep it open on their screens.
Drag the ore to one side holding down the shift key and release the mouse button. This will allow you to split the ore. The default is 1 unit. This is what you want. Set that 1 unit of ore aside and nobody touch it. This will keep the can alive.
Now, with all three members of your fleet accessing the can, the miners dump their ore into it as soon as they get any - and the hauler takes it right out of there. So - the ore - except for that 1 unit - is only in the can for a few seconds.
When the hauler is done - he warps back to the base and docks. He should have the space he is going to dump the ore to open and ready to receive it. Transfer your ore into that hanger or whatever as fast as you can (refine later) - then launch and warp to one of the miners. As you come up - approach the jet can and just before you get to it - tell the ship to warp to the base - but abort the warp. This should, once you get used to doing it, leave you in close proximity (1500 meters is required) to the jet can.
While the hauler is gone - the miners should NOT put any ore in the can. If he can't get back in time ... stop mining as your hold gets full. Start back up once he gets back. Normally, if you are in the same system as the base he is hauling to - that shouldn't be to much of a problem. The more space your miners have in their holds - the less of a problem it will be.
One tip here - DO NOT - just wait until the your miner dumps half it's ore into space because your hold was to full to take it all. As the space left in your hold gets close to the capacity of your mining lasers - start turning them off to dump their ore. If you are just mining Veldspar and there's a million Veldspar asteroids in the system - it doesn't matter. But - if you are mining anything but plain ordinary Veldspar - you stand a very good chance of mining it all. Any ore your lasers dump into space because your hold couldn't ... hold it ... is wasted money. Don't do that.
If you do a show info on your mining lasers they will tell you how much ore they dump. Keep that figure in mind and you won't waste ore.
If someone does come into your system that you don't trust - there should only be 1 unit of ore in that can. Someone grab that 1 unit, let the can blow and stop mining until they go away. Or the miners can switch to just mining and hauling it themselves until he's gone. Put a mining laser on your hauler and he'll make a contribution as well.
If you are mining in .8 space and below - have some combat drones. Drones kill the rats - hauler loots and salvages them.
Get two accounts - and you can do this all yourself from one computer.
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Gerry TheViking
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.28 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: Gerry TheViking on 28/12/2007 09:18:46
Originally by: Vivian Porter
.... Check them out, see how long they've been playing, see what their security rating is. If you mine there a lot - you'll get to know who they are and if they are a threat. Just keep in mind that while a low security rating should raise alarms - a high security rating does NOT mean he won't steal your stuff.
This are also my experiences. The thief might be a nice player who would also invite you to a private chat to tell you how stupid you are and would make fun of noobs or hobbits
as some of them call us. They will not accept that stealing from a noob is like "stealing candy from a baby."
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If you are mining in .8 space and below - have some combat drones. Drones kill the rats - hauler loots and salvages them.
Does that mean that combat drones will make a stand against haulers with lots of hitpoints and heavy armor ? I really cant believe that.
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Vivian Porter
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Posted - 2007.12.28 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: Vivian Porter on 28/12/2007 12:31:51
Drones killing the rats was in reference to NPC Pirates.
If someone says Pirates - they are probably talking about Player Pirates though they could be talking about NPC Pirates.
If someone says Rats - they are almost universally talking about Non-Player Characters or NPC Pirates.
Some people say that the term rats is short for piRATes ... but I believe there is also an allusion to other games where you would go out and kill X number of animal rats as part of a quest. Thus the term Ratting which refers to cruising around asteroid belts looking for NPC Pirates to blow up.
Now ... drones can still be fairly effective, even against larger ships. Here ... it's like everything else in EVE ... it all depends on how powerful the drones are (there are much more powerful drones than the little scout drones most new players have) ... how well tanked the other ship is ... and what the skill and experience level of the person is who's in control of it. So - yeah - drones can kill an industrial ... but they'd have more trouble the bigger the other ship is ... like say a Hulk or something which should have drones of it's own.
*shrug*
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Ryusoath Orillian
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Posted - 2007.12.28 14:55:00 -
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i mine in industrials sometimes with massive cargoholds it makes sense , the mining takes ages but i just watch a film or read something, when i'm not doing anything else long slow mining makes sense.
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Trankwill
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Posted - 2007.12.28 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ancy Denaries
Even a Bantam at Caldari Frigate I will outmine a Badger by about 120+%. This due to having an extra mining laser and a 20% bonus to yield. At Caldari Frigate IV there's an even larger difference. The Osprey will even outmine a Procurer with decent skills and T2 mining lasers. (That said, don't get a Procurer :P).
So I have my Osprey with T2 miners, and I'm training for a mining barge. I figured a Procurer with strip miners would be a step up - but sounds like I should skip straight to the retriever? A single strip miner doesn't cut it I guess?
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