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Arcon Telf
Gallente Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.12.26 21:33:00 -
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The Ishkur looks like it would be a lot of fun to fly, and the skill training involved seems quite reasonable for a character my age. How accurate is my impression? I'm not that far at all from being in an Ishkur, and it's bonuses are very appealing...
But what kind of role does it realistically have in group PVP ops? How about solo PVP? And of course missions (I've read it can handle level 3 missions in the right hands).
Once again, I humbly ask that all ye veterans educate me.
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Arcon Telf
Gallente Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.12.26 22:27:00 -
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Almost 40 views and no one has an opinion?
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Aaronus
Gods of War
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Posted - 2007.12.26 22:44:00 -
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I love them, great damage with a nice tech 2 fit. They are fast enough to catch pods and warp out if action is too much to take. Frigates and cheaply fit cruisers are all fair game. As far as gang pvp you'll be an extra point or two on scrambling, you can take drones out exceptionally quick and provide nice additional damage to your gang mates. Ishkur and Enyo are the ones I fly and both are great ships imo.
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.26 22:45:00 -
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Yes it is fun to fly.
Roles for all assualt frigates are currently a bit hazey since they have 'fallen between the *****s' in recent times.
A decent use for the Ishkur is tackling Hyperions & Megathrons at very close range in a gang - in deadspace or 0.0 gatecamps. Another role is 'Heavy' support in a frigate/interceptor gang.
I find it strange you'd come to the forum with this question rather than your very experienced corp & alliance channel...
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Arcon Telf
Gallente Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.12.26 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Vyktor Abyss
I find it strange you'd come to the forum with this question rather than your very experienced corp & alliance channel...
Call me impulsive, but I wasn't in game when this question hit me (nor did I want to login just for this question). I like to get as much information as possible.
Thanks for your responses!
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Edriahn
Gallente Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2007.12.26 23:16:00 -
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I fly them from time to time and in my opinion they are pretty useless. They are too slow to keep up with the ceptor gangs and pretty vulnerable to med drones so tackling big ships isn't very proper role for them... They are fun to fly, no doubt, but you will be much more useful to your gang with a T1 cruiser with the proper fitting...
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Raspp
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Posted - 2007.12.27 05:55:00 -
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Edited by: Raspp on 27/12/2007 05:56:40 in all honesty, as far as ingame use its good for lvl1 wc, other than that its a pretty crap ship just like nearly all the other AF's are, with no other purpose other than looks(and yes it looks awesome),
inreality its the best ship for a newby due to the skills required to fly one,
elec/mech/galfrig/drones are hard to train to 5 out of whim to the new player, but as a 2mil Ishky pilot myself groving up like you are, was an awesome decision,
ishkur training will serve you well for the gal ships you will fly in the future, and in 6 months when you comeback to it with all your fitting skills completed you will dust it off and make it purr like a kitten,
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2007.12.27 07:33:00 -
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Edited by: SoftRevolution on 27/12/2007 07:34:38 Solely from a mission running perspective:
Level 3's are proving very doable in an Ishkur so far. Even ones with a lot of Angels doing explosive damage.
The small sig radius and good resists mean you don't get hit that much and can happily eat the little damage you do take with a SAR 2 or just on shields.
The knack is really managing your traversal velocity. Keep moving at any kind of angle and you will reduce the amount of incoming fire considerably. Remembering to zig-zag away from enemy ships and flying a box around a clump of mission rats works wonders. I generally engage from a 5km orbit with AM loaded 150mms.
Against missile ships you're actually small enough to avoid a lot of the damage from heavy missiles. Scourge missiles hit you for 7 damage etc. Haven't tried it vs. NPC torps and cruise missiles yet.
The only real gripe I have is the speed of thing. It's not Incursus fast. I've dragged it up to 630m/s but an Incursus with the same fit goes over a km/s. EVE RELATED CONTENT |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.27 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Arcon Telf
Originally by: Vyktor Abyss
I find it strange you'd come to the forum with this question rather than your very experienced corp & alliance channel...
Call me impulsive, but I wasn't in game when this question hit me (nor did I want to login just for this question). I like to get as much information as possible.
Thanks for your responses!
Oooh - You're impulsive!
Hehe, no seriously - use your corp and alliance too - they may have roles for that ship in their gang doctrines as like I've said already, they are donkey's years old and have bags of experience.
Another thing I remembered - AF gangs are great for taking down POS guns too. Good luck.
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DaHarMasterKor
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.12.27 11:35:00 -
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They are not that useful in group pvp because other ships can do whatever an af can do better, but can be very fun flying solo if you're into pvp in small agile ships. Players use them for belt piracy, can flipping in high sec to aggro the miners, tackling for a group if no one could bring an interceptor, running missions and complexes. With PVE what you do in especially difficult missions and plexes is aggro all the rats on the af and provide remote repair to it with drones. Since it is small and fast and has high resists it can very easily tank hoards of battleships and battlecruisers with some repair drones on it. Then the rest of the gang can focus on clearing the rats very quickly.
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.12.27 11:39:00 -
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Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 27/12/2007 11:39:57 At the moment, assault frigates aren't all that useful for pvp, but they are pretty nice for running missions -- I've done a ton of lvl3 missions with various AFs, Ishkur included. The things have great tanks, for frigates.
They are fun ships to fly, imho, and the skills you need for them will benefit you in other ships too. Just don't expect to be all that useful in pvp -- though the Ishkur is still a nice anti-support platform (with 5 x warrior drones), and some of the others can be ok too.
I suggest you train for the things and try them out, especially since there is hope that CCP will be boosting them sometime in the future (according to hints on recent weblog).
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lofty29
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.27 13:12:00 -
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.27 13:36:00 -
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1) Sell Ishkur 2) Buy Stabber 3) ... 4) Profit
That is, if you want to effectively pvp ;)
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Edriahn
Gallente Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2007.12.27 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa 1) Sell Ishkur 2) Buy Stabber 3) ... 4) Profit
That is, if you want to effectively pvp ;)
You are COMPLETELY wrong. 1) Sell Ishkur 2) Buy Vexor
And doing level 3 missions with an AFs? Please, don't pass your mental problems to the new players. I also did many lvl3s with BCs, cruisers and Afs, enough to know AFs are not good for lvl3. Or you could convince me that doing The Blockade lvl3 is fun in an Ishkur?
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.27 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ryysa on 27/12/2007 17:38:07
Originally by: Edriahn
Originally by: Ryysa 1) Sell Ishkur 2) Buy Stabber 3) ... 4) Profit
That is, if you want to effectively pvp ;)
You are COMPLETELY wrong. 1) Sell Ishkur 2) Buy Vexor
Uhm, sorry, but could I see your pvp record? Until then, a cup of STFU would be nice + reading comprehension.
For missions, yes, vexor is better. Not so much for pvp, especially solo pvp at that (lowsec w/e).
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KD.Fluffy
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.27 17:41:00 -
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vexor is just as good as stabber generally at pvp, *** stabber is better at nano but not ever situation needs a nano ship, and well if nano is truly better in every situation it might be time for a nano nerf. Boost The Eagle! |
Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.27 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: KD.Fluffy vexor is just as good as stabber generally at pvp, *** stabber is better at nano but not ever situation needs a nano ship, and well if nano is truly better in every situation it might be time for a nano nerf.
You are still here >.>
In a big gang it doesn't matter what you fly, flying in a large blob requires no skill. Now, solo/small gang, there is a high chance you get blobbed.
What escapes a blob better? Stabber (which is faster/more agile) or Vexor (which would have to leave all it's drones behind/is slower)?
Really easy answer to that. And nano is almost always better if you are not looking for blobfight.
Also, you can nerf nanos as much as you like (been done to hell and back already) - vagabond and stabber will still be faster than everything, because they are MADE for that. So turning it into nanowhine thread is kinda noob too.
2/10 troll imo, fail.
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2007.12.27 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: SoftRevolution on 27/12/2007 18:42:19
Quote: Or you could convince me that doing The Blockade lvl3 is fun in an Ishkur?
LOLerific actually.
Just had it come up. Apart from the 240k rats which took an age to make a hole in it wasn't bad. It was probably as quick as sniping the same mission with a Hurricane.
I did burn through 3000 rounds of Antimatter doing the whole thing but that's pretty cheap anyway. EVE RELATED CONTENT |
Sauromugue
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Posted - 2007.12.27 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 27/12/2007 17:38:07
Originally by: Edriahn
Originally by: Ryysa 1) Sell Ishkur 2) Buy Stabber 3) ... 4) Profit
That is, if you want to effectively pvp ;)
You are COMPLETELY wrong. 1) Sell Ishkur 2) Buy Vexor
Uhm, sorry, but could I see your pvp record? Until then, a cup of STFU would be nice + reading comprehension.
For missions, yes, vexor is better. Not so much for pvp, especially solo pvp at that (lowsec w/e).
Damn, someone's on his period today.
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.27 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sauromugue Damn, someone's on his period today.
And someone fails at trolling :)
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Eardianm
Darkness Inc. Blood Blind
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Posted - 2007.12.27 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sauromugue
Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 27/12/2007 17:38:07
Originally by: Edriahn
Originally by: Ryysa 1) Sell Ishkur 2) Buy Stabber 3) ... 4) Profit
That is, if you want to effectively pvp ;)
You are COMPLETELY wrong. 1) Sell Ishkur 2) Buy Vexor
Uhm, sorry, but could I see your pvp record? Until then, a cup of STFU would be nice + reading comprehension.
For missions, yes, vexor is better. Not so much for pvp, especially solo pvp at that (lowsec w/e).
Damn, someone's on his period today.
Par for the course
I personally read the Vexor suggestion with laughy face afterwards as somewhat light hearted. and probably more in line with his current skills, although it's not like training for a stabber is too time intensive. Ryysa just likes to have everyone know he is right. Often belligerently --------------
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Sauromugue
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Posted - 2007.12.27 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Originally by: Sauromugue Damn, someone's on his period today.
And someone fails at trolling :)
Too bad they don't have e-tampons, eh?
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.27 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sauromugue Too bad they don't have e-tampons, eh?
Fail #2.
Originally by: Eardianm Ryysa just likes to have everyone know he is right. Often belligerently
Might have something to do with that russian nobull**** attitude of mine Then again, I'm mostly right ;)
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.12.27 18:57:00 -
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Ryssa is mostly right. I used to not share his (her, whatever) opinion about AFs, but when I started pirating, and had to care about cost-effectiveness, I downgraded to flying mostly Rifters.
Other then that, if you don't have T2 guns, you'll find that the Rupture is probably a better cruiser (as it can, with a plate, still outrun a lot of things with decent nav skills and can actually take a bit of punishment), but sticking to a Rifter until you get T2 mediums is probably a good idea anyway.
Rifters!
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