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Caldari Citizen20110707
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Posted - 2012.02.07 14:45:00 -
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I have a question,.. How is this possible?
Is titan tracking soo good? How can you fight blob titans other than supers?
Example |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
47
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Posted - 2012.02.07 14:49:00 -
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There is nothing wrong with Titans. There is nothing wrong with tracking
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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2012.02.07 14:55:00 -
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Caldari Citizen20110707 wrote:I have a question,.. How is this possible? Is titan tracking soo good? How can you fight blob titans other than supers? Example
lol one nerf candidate meeting another ;)
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Dztrgovac
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Posted - 2012.02.07 15:49:00 -
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Titan tracking is fine!
Oh I see I've been beaten to the joke with that Obi Van Kenoby pic. Carry on.
Edit. Just to say, those tengus appear to have carried regular sized ABs. |
JoeTwo PointOh
Cult of Baal
5
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Posted - 2012.02.07 16:17:00 -
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Something to consider is that there were multiple huginns in that fight. Just on the first kill alone there were 6 huginns webbing and painting the tengu. I'm sure he was essentially parked with a sig radius larger than a battleship. Anything NOT able to hit him would be questionable. Of course I don't fly titans and wasn't in that fight, so I might not know what I'm talking about. ;) |
Zeerover
Wolfsbrigade
24
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Posted - 2012.02.07 19:31:00 -
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JoeTwo PointOh wrote:Something to consider is that there were multiple huginns in that fight. Just on the first kill alone there were 6 huginns webbing and painting the tengu. I'm sure he was essentially parked with a sig radius larger than a battleship. Anything NOT able to hit him would be questionable. Of course I don't fly titans and wasn't in that fight, so I might not know what I'm talking about. ;)
Maybe I'm in the minority with this view, but when 6 specialty ships use their role bonuses to lock someone down and bloom up his signature any ship should be able to hit him, including titans.
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OninoTimmo
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
36
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Posted - 2012.02.07 19:39:00 -
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They were webbed and painted to hell and beyond. That is obvious to anyone who even glanced at the killmail. You sound like an alt of that butthurt -A- guy who keeps spamming "nerf [whatever killed us today]" threads  |
Soon Shin
Abyssal Heavy Industries
Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2012.02.07 19:44:00 -
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There are multiple huginn's on those killmails.
With web range bonus you can get A huginn to 56km with Fed Navy webs and 40 km with Tech 2 Webs. You can get it to 86 km with a skirmish boosting loki for fed navy webs or 61 km with Tech 2.
With 2 webs you can reduce a target's speed by more than 80%. With 3, they're not going anywhere any time soon.
1 web - 40% speed
2 web - 16.8% speed
3 web - 11 % speed
Also the huginn has a bonus to Target Painters, with max skills a Tech 2 or Meta 4 Target Painter gives a 52% bonus to sig radius size. With a boosting proteus you can make those 70 %
Tengu - 150 m sig radius
1 painter - 255 m
2 painter - 411 m
3 painter - 578 m
With 3 webs and 3 painters on a tengu you get:
578m and 50-60 ms with a 10mn afterburner.
That tengu is in for some serious hurt, even a dread will be able to hit it if the tengu is 15-20 km away.
Therefore there is nothing wrong with Titan Tracking, its just Webs and painters doing their job.
We do the same thing in wormholes with lokis and dreads.
http://narwhalskilled.me/?a=kill_related&kll_id=7463
WORKING AS INTENDED.
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Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx
Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.07 19:47:00 -
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70 titans.... Who woulda thought someone would make titans their fleet doctrine rather than battleships like everyone else.
Shieldcats? Not good enough... Hellcats? Not good enough.... Well... how about a titan?
YES
titans used like battleships is, from what I've read about them, not their intended use. Take the guns off of them and just have them give insane leadership bonuses that are applied in a distance measured in lightyears rather than in system.
XL turrets belong on dreads not titans. |
OninoTimmo
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
37
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Posted - 2012.02.07 21:03:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:70 titans.... Who woulda thought someone would make titans their fleet doctrine rather than battleships like everyone else.
Shieldcats? Not good enough... Hellcats? Not good enough.... Well... how about a titan?
YES
titans used like battleships is, from what I've read about them, not their intended use. Take the guns off of them and just have them give insane leadership bonuses that are applied in a distance measured in lightyears rather than in system.
XL turrets belong on dreads not titans.
If anyone is curious why Metal Icarus made such a fiery post, we once camped the undock of his alliance's home system with a lone unsupported titan for lols (p sure we killed nothing with it) and his entire 35k man coalition was unable to muster together a gang to kill it so he is obviously peeved over being poor. |
Caldari Citizen20110707
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.07 21:21:00 -
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OninoTimmo wrote:Metal Icarus wrote:70 titans.... Who woulda thought someone would make titans their fleet doctrine rather than battleships like everyone else.
Shieldcats? Not good enough... Hellcats? Not good enough.... Well... how about a titan?
YES
titans used like battleships is, from what I've read about them, not their intended use. Take the guns off of them and just have them give insane leadership bonuses that are applied in a distance measured in lightyears rather than in system.
XL turrets belong on dreads not titans. If anyone is curious why Metal Icarus made such a fiery post, we once camped the undock of his alliance's home system with a lone unsupported titan for lols (p sure we killed nothing with it) and his entire 35k man coalition was unable to muster together a gang to kill it so he is obviously peeved over being poor.
not rly anything you can bring versus it, because you would simply logg / cyno in more titans as there is nothing to counter that amount of titans.
Bring 70 ppl for 1 titan > cyno in more
Bring 200 ppl for 4 **** > Cyno in more
Bring 400 ppl for 20 ****> cyno in more
Bring 700 ppl for 40 **** > cyno in 50 mothership and shoot incapped pos mods with fighter bombers and totaly lagg out system
Current problem is that titans have too much ehp for their damage potential. |
Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx
Rookie Empire
96
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Posted - 2012.02.07 23:12:00 -
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OninoTimmo wrote:Metal Icarus wrote:70 titans.... Who woulda thought someone would make titans their fleet doctrine rather than battleships like everyone else.
Shieldcats? Not good enough... Hellcats? Not good enough.... Well... how about a titan?
YES
titans used like battleships is, from what I've read about them, not their intended use. Take the guns off of them and just have them give insane leadership bonuses that are applied in a distance measured in lightyears rather than in system.
XL turrets belong on dreads not titans. If anyone is curious why Metal Icarus made such a fiery post, we once camped the undock of his alliance's home system with a lone unsupported titan for lols (p sure we killed nothing with it) and his entire 35k man coalition was unable to muster together a gang to kill it so he is obviously peeved over being poor.
Yeah I'm mad... if I recall you dropped a titan on two hurricanes in a system nearby. It was funny. The victims were like
"DUDE WE JUST GOT A TITAN DROPPED US LOLOLOL WE DIED!!!" (yes you killed 2 canes with that titan)
They weren't even mad, even though they got into that rapier structure. They were just happy with seeing a titan used in anger... or in this case lulz.
Anyways, can someone educate me on how to kill PL's 70 titan fleet with huggin support? (kill the huggins then what?)
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
94
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Posted - 2012.02.08 00:40:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:OninoTimmo wrote:Metal Icarus wrote:70 titans.... Who woulda thought someone would make titans their fleet doctrine rather than battleships like everyone else.
Shieldcats? Not good enough... Hellcats? Not good enough.... Well... how about a titan?
YES
titans used like battleships is, from what I've read about them, not their intended use. Take the guns off of them and just have them give insane leadership bonuses that are applied in a distance measured in lightyears rather than in system.
XL turrets belong on dreads not titans. If anyone is curious why Metal Icarus made such a fiery post, we once camped the undock of his alliance's home system with a lone unsupported titan for lols (p sure we killed nothing with it) and his entire 35k man coalition was unable to muster together a gang to kill it so he is obviously peeved over being poor. Yeah I'm mad... if I recall you dropped a titan on two hurricanes in a system nearby. It was funny. The victims were like "DUDE WE JUST GOT A TITAN DROPPED US LOLOLOL WE DIED!!!" (yes you killed 2 canes with that titan) They weren't even mad, even though they got into that rapier structure. They were just happy with seeing a titan used in anger... or in this case lulz. Anyways, can someone educate me on how to kill PL's 70 titan fleet with huggin support? (kill the huggins then what?)
Well not being outnumbered 8:1 helps that was the second encounter. |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
47
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Posted - 2012.02.08 04:47:00 -
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"Oh no someone is thinking clever and utilizing ships in creative way ... you must nerf this because I aint capable of thinking outside the box"
This is whats wrong with games these days ... Make then balanced on the lowest possible dumbass and his ability to play. |
Soon Shin
Abyssal Heavy Industries
Narwhals Ate My Duck
53
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Posted - 2012.02.08 06:47:00 -
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Cedo Nulli wrote:"Oh no someone is thinking clever and utilizing ships in creative way ... you must nerf this because I aint capable of thinking outside the box"
This is whats wrong with games these days ... Make then balanced on the lowest possible dumbass and his ability to play.
Indeed this dumbs down games and makes them become boring much quicker.
If CCP want continue to be successful it must encourage sandbox and creative gameplay.
EVE was never meant for Casual gamers who want to play an easy game.
The day that EVE become casualized is the day that I quit, but not before going out in a bang. |
Cillet Baang Scott
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.02.08 08:56:00 -
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no1 gives a **** mate. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Pirate Nation.
9
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Posted - 2012.02.08 11:11:00 -
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Wow did I just see a member of -A- man up and say what they should have been saying all along, win some lose some, its not as if -A- has not been using Titans that way, Hurley in 77S comes to mind. PL have set up their fleets to win, just as you set up your Tengu fleet to win against RA and pets. You have to say that PL have setup a superb fleet and anyone who looks at intelligent play has to applaud them for it. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
95
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Posted - 2012.02.08 12:34:00 -
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stupid forums. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.02.08 12:36:00 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Wow did I just see a member of -A- man up and say what they should have been saying all along, win some lose some, its not as if -A- has not been using Titans that way, Hurley in 77S comes to mind. PL have set up their fleets to win, just as you set up your Tengu fleet to win against RA and pets. You have to say that PL have setup a superb fleet and anyone who looks at intelligent play has to applaud them for it.
Oddly enough, that is the position of the leadership too for the most part.
Don't believe all of the propaganda you read on *that board that shall not be named* and EvE24. PL Metagames like you wouldn't believe, spies, propaganda all of it all time.
Our FCs actually talk directly to the spies in coms lol
If by superb fleet you mean super numbers that only Raiden. can match....yeah its supurb.... local was over 1300 on that first engagement. They brought the hammer and we couldn't match the numbers. |
doombreed52
Enlightened Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2012.02.08 14:23:00 -
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the tengus were burning in a straight line. with alot of webbing ships just so they could get a chance to hit them. its worth 40b in minerals it better be able to killing something. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
96
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:35:00 -
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doombreed52 wrote:the tengus were burning in a straight line. with alot of webbing ships just so they could get a chance to hit them. its worth 40b in minerals it better be able to killing something.
I too spiral out of bubbles. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Pirate Nation.
9
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:54:00 -
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Thanks, and I shall be less negative about -A- for that. And your spies are pretty good too...
In terms of superb fleet I am talking about the tactics and all the effort they put in to create such a fleet.
Onictus wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Wow did I just see a member of -A- man up and say what they should have been saying all along, win some lose some, its not as if -A- has not been using Titans that way, Hurley in 77S comes to mind. PL have set up their fleets to win, just as you set up your Tengu fleet to win against RA and pets. You have to say that PL have setup a superb fleet and anyone who looks at intelligent play has to applaud them for it. Oddly enough, that is the position of the leadership too for the most part. Don't believe all of the propaganda you read on *that board that shall not be named* and EvE24. PL Metagames like you wouldn't believe, spies, propaganda all of it all time. Our FCs actually talk directly to the spies in coms lol If by superb fleet you mean super numbers that only Raiden. can match....yeah its supurb.... local was over 1300 on that first engagement. They brought the hammer and we couldn't match the numbers.
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Stygian Knight
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2012.02.08 20:09:00 -
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Real question is how do you lose 130 tengus in one day ? |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.02.09 08:23:00 -
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Stygian Knight wrote:Real question is how do you lose 130 tengus in one day ?
Same way you guys count good fights. |
gr ant
Element 27
En Garde
0
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Posted - 2012.02.09 09:29:00 -
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my grid never loaded, so i probably just sat there and died |
Caldari Citizen20110707
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.09 12:46:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Stygian Knight wrote:Real question is how do you lose 130 tengus in one day ? Same way you guys count good fights.
heheheh trolololol BOoom HEadshot
Punani Legion must be boring as hell, nvr get gudfights. But on the other hand,.... they do get nice gank kills from time to time |
Ryuce
27
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Posted - 2012.02.09 15:24:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Wow did I just see a member of -A- man up and say what they should have been saying all along, win some lose some, its not as if -A- has not been using Titans that way, Hurley in 77S comes to mind. PL have set up their fleets to win, just as you set up your Tengu fleet to win against RA and pets. You have to say that PL have setup a superb fleet and anyone who looks at intelligent play has to applaud them for it. Oddly enough, that is the position of the leadership too for the most part. Don't believe all of the propaganda you read on *that board that shall not be named* and EvE24. PL Metagames like you wouldn't believe, spies, propaganda all of it all time. Our FCs actually talk directly to the spies in coms lol If by superb fleet you mean super numbers that only Raiden. can match....yeah its supurb.... local was over 1300 on that first engagement. They brought the hammer and we couldn't match the numbers.
Funny, you don't seem to read Kugu etc. very much then. -A- has a nice amount of **** poster flinging poop around several places.
E: Just read your page two posts too. Please stop posting. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
96
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Posted - 2012.02.09 22:55:00 -
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Ryuce wrote:Onictus wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Wow did I just see a member of -A- man up and say what they should have been saying all along, win some lose some, its not as if -A- has not been using Titans that way, Hurley in 77S comes to mind. PL have set up their fleets to win, just as you set up your Tengu fleet to win against RA and pets. You have to say that PL have setup a superb fleet and anyone who looks at intelligent play has to applaud them for it. Oddly enough, that is the position of the leadership too for the most part. Don't believe all of the propaganda you read on *that board that shall not be named* and EvE24. PL Metagames like you wouldn't believe, spies, propaganda all of it all time. Our FCs actually talk directly to the spies in coms lol If by superb fleet you mean super numbers that only Raiden. can match....yeah its supurb.... local was over 1300 on that first engagement. They brought the hammer and we couldn't match the numbers. Funny, you don't seem to read Kugu etc. very much then. -A- has a nice amount of **** poster flinging poop around several places. E: Just read your page two posts too. Please stop posting.
LOL Yeah I'll get right on that.
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
465
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Posted - 2012.02.10 01:24:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:70 titans.... Who woulda thought someone would make titans their fleet doctrine rather than battleships like everyone else.
Its called META-GAMING! Big word I know, but it basicly involves the concept of evolution. Think warfare...start with rocks -> sticks -> club (stick with rock on it) -> sword -> arrow -> chain mail -> Plate armor -> gun -> body armor -> cruise missile -> Future???
Oh, and if one fleet consists of massive number of BS what the frack do you do? WHAT DO YOU DO!?!?!? oh wait, bring bigger ships. 1000 vs 1000 BS fleets...of course any idiot knows a FORCE MULTIPLIER is better then bringing another 1000 ships. If you have 200 titans, 800 BS vs 1000 BS but each titan is worth 5 BS...its like 2000 pilots vs the other guys 1000 thousand.
Why do humans keep reinventing "kill" ? Because the other guy counters it (like how in recent years "unconventional warfare" beats tanks when Abrams kicked ass in the middle east 20 years ago...don't fight tanks head on just slug it out with the troops and plant IED...heck the recent middle east fighting was just vietnam with sand)
So congradulate the other guy for kicking your ass in an inventive way. |
Katalci
D.I.R.T
25
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Posted - 2012.02.10 03:45:00 -
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it's a wonder that you died in the invincible afterburner tengu, especially while using the clever tactic of burning straight into huginn web range |
Ryuce
27
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Posted - 2012.02.10 12:59:00 -
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Katalci wrote:it's a wonder that you died in the invincible afterburner tengu, especially while using the clever tactic of burning straight into huginn web range
Judging by his posts after Soon Shin and Zeerover posted, I don't think he will ever get that. |
Stalking Mantis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
135
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Posted - 2012.02.10 22:37:00 -
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Here is a thought. Why not use those Gallente recon ships bonuses and damp the living day light out of the webing tp'ing huggins? that way your T3's will work as intended with low sig radius. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
96
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Posted - 2012.02.11 15:24:00 -
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Stalking Mantis wrote:Here is a thought. Why not use those Gallente recon ships bonuses and damp the living day light out of the webing tp'ing huggins? that way your T3's will work as intended with low sig radius.
Not an option if you don't have 30 damping recons in your fleet already.
and lol "don't burn into Huginn range".....because Huginns only have 14km webs right. |
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.02.11 16:27:00 -
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Most of those tengus were not even loading grid.
Complaining about tracking titans and bringing an example when tengus are sitting still is a bit stupid to say the least.
Bring a good example or shut up. |
Menardii
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.02.11 22:56:00 -
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TL:DR, Tengus died. Nerf Titans.
/Thread
"Whoever said crime doesn't pay obviously never managed a criminal empire." |
Soldarius
United Highsec Front
The 99 Percent
147
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Posted - 2012.02.12 08:56:00 -
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I have to agree with the super blob here. Using Huginns to web and paint the targets so that titans can hit them is perfectly legit, and a good use of the tools available. It's teamwork, and subcap support doing it's job. Working as intended.
"How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
0ccupational Hazzard
41
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Posted - 2012.02.12 23:43:00 -
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titans are broke, deal with it
If they were not broke people would not "risk" dropping titans on even the smallest gangs.
Solo maelstrom attacks domi, domi drops cyno....dead maelstrom.
You know how broken they are when people are using them, risk free for SOLO kills
Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |
EnslaverOfMinmatar
BRAPELILLE MACRO BOT MINERS
13
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Posted - 2012.02.13 00:59:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:70 titans.... Who woulda thought someone would make titans their fleet doctrine rather than battleships like everyone else.
Shieldcats? Not good enough... Hellcats? Not good enough.... Well... how about a titan?
YES
titans used like battleships is, from what I've read about them, not their intended use. Take the guns off of them and just have them give insane leadership bonuses that are applied in a distance measured in lightyears rather than in system.
XL turrets belong on dreads not titans.
I agree. XL turrets don't belong on titans.
They should be able to fit XXL turrets. 1 SHOT - 1 KILL, MOTHER FATHER!!!!
Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07 or uninstall and DIAF |
Derth Ramir
Hellion Evolution
11
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Posted - 2012.02.13 04:21:00 -
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At least they now can't insta pop your entire tengu fleet with a single click of a button.  |
Pink Marshmellow
Abyssal Heavy Industries
Narwhals Ate My Duck
10
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Posted - 2012.02.13 04:26:00 -
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The issue with titans and supercarriers are not the ships themselves, but the massive blobs that are fielded with them.
Superblobs will turn anything into dust, simply by looking at it.
A titan or a super carrier by itself can be killed by a gang who aren't morons.
It is the player system of megablobs and easy to do hotdrop cynos that make titans and supercaps a big threat.
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Derth Ramir
Hellion Evolution
11
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Posted - 2012.02.13 04:31:00 -
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Pink Marshmellow wrote:The issue with titans and supercarriers are not the ships themselves, but the massive blobs that are fielded with them.
Superblobs will turn anything into dust, simply by looking at it.
A titan or a super carrier by itself can be killed by a gang who aren't morons.
It is the player system of megablobs and easy to do hotdrop cynos that make titans and supercaps a big threat.
Put a timer on boot up for cyno generators. |
Pink Marshmellow
Abyssal Heavy Industries
Narwhals Ate My Duck
11
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Posted - 2012.02.13 05:19:00 -
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Derth Ramir wrote:Pink Marshmellow wrote:The issue with titans and supercarriers are not the ships themselves, but the massive blobs that are fielded with them.
Superblobs will turn anything into dust, simply by looking at it.
A titan or a super carrier by itself can be killed by a gang who aren't morons.
It is the player system of megablobs and easy to do hotdrop cynos that make titans and supercaps a big threat.
Put a timer on boot up for cyno generators.
I believe CCP is looking at cyno charge up cycle timer. |
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