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djNME DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.28 13:33:00 - [1] Edited by: djNME on 28/12/2007 13:40:03 So I just read that Standford journal relased their 2007 quotes of the year.I got a laugh out of the one that made the top of the list. #1 quote of the year " Don't taze me bro!!" I had to lol, not sure how many have seen that clip, i'm guessing most.Some guy is at standord for a john kerry rally.He has a questions and gets a bit "out of hand." Security trys to remove him and well....search for the clip..it's funny. I'm a pretty easy going guy for the most part, but you have to think to yourself... If your holding a taser and some guy is in front of you saying " Don't tase me bro!!!...don't taze me!!" you'll prob end up tazing him. Funny made the quote of the year though.
Mad Amos Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.12.28 13:52:00 - [2] Most people that call me bro, I wanna taze. Does that make me a bad person?
djNME DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.28 13:59:00 - [3] no...lol.. well possibly. I heard to be in some police units you have to do a test called "the tazer ride".. it's where you get tazed to see what it's like.Something about that intrests me..lol lets not hang out. Tazer ride..:P
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.28 14:14:00 - [4] Wow. Never seen that before. Boy, I must hate cops really bad. That kid was an absolute tool, crying like a baby. Yet my overwhelming desire upon seeing that was to wade in there and start applying folding chairs to the backs of pigs heads. Eight or more pigs, and they gotta take him down inside and tazer his ass? Six Secret Service Suits could get any human being on the planet out the door, standing up, and you wouldn't even know it happened. Cops. Bleh. ----- TANSTAAFL My Daddy was a prominent Cap man, my Momma's in the Naval Reserve, when I was young I carried a gun, I wonder how your engines feel!
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.12.28 14:18:00 - [5] I can just hear the cop ... "OK just doing as requested, we didn't taze your bro, we tazed YOU!" Guy should have STFU when asked. Rentacops shouldn't have used anything other than muscle. Simple. Make me king of the world and I'll sort it all out.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.12.28 14:22:00 - [6] Bah, there have been better taser incidents. Like the one where someone tazed an arsonist. Hint: Taser + open fuelcan = big fireball.
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.28 16:24:00 - [7] Edited by: Rialtor on 28/12/2007 16:23:55 I don't thing you realize how messed up and how uselessly force was applied Don't Taze me Bro. He basically got removed from the stage cause he was asking controversial questions. Questions Kerry even wanted to answer. He was being a big belligerent with his questions, but well within the realm of reason. They tried to brush him off like 20-30 seconds into his question. I've seen lots of speaking engagements like this and it's not unheard of to ask 2-4 minute questions. Is this how far the 1st ammendment right has fallen? That's why that's the quote of the year. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
djNME DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.28 16:59:00 - [8] I agree tbh, that type of force was not needed.THough i still find the urge would be big time...to tze the guy.I mean he strted to yell "Dun taze me bro"..lol I dunno.It didn't surprise me that he got tazed right after. Saying that, makes you seriously hate people that ignorant that carry badges.It's was proven in court they used necessaryt force.Only way i can see that fidning is if he was found with a gun or knife on him after a search. If I was him I would keep seeking legal action. None the less... "dun taze me bro:
Mikelio Raijan Sulithus	Posted - 2007.12.28 17:25:00 - [9] STOP! Taser time. Originally by: Mikelio Raijan ...also, Pyramid quote time! \o/ Sorry everyone who received a 'forum break' for continuing this.
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.28 17:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Rialtor Is this how far the 1st ammendment right has fallen? That's why that's the quote of the year. I don't think it's a First Amendment issue. The University might get a lot of Federal funding, but it's not The Government. You want to say something on their turf, you say it by their rules. ----- TANSTAAFL My Daddy was a prominent Cap man, my Momma's in the Naval Reserve, when I was young I carried a gun, I wonder how your engines feel!
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.28 19:54:00 - [11] Originally by: djNME I agree tbh, that type of force was not needed.THough i still find the urge would be big time...to tze the guy.I mean he strted to yell "Dun taze me bro"..lol I dunno.It didn't surprise me that he got tazed right after. Saying that, makes you seriously hate people that ignorant that carry badges.It's was proven in court they used necessaryt force.Only way i can see that fidning is if he was found with a gun or knife on him after a search. If I was him I would keep seeking legal action. None the less... "dun taze me bro: yea while I think it was police brutality, I still laugh when I watch it, lol. It wasn't so bad, nothing Jesse Jackson like, but still it was definite escalation of force on the police end, which they're not suppose to do. In no way did he attack the officers for them to escalate from physical force to a tazer. Quote: I don't think it's a First Amendment issue. The University might get a lot of Federal funding, but it's not The Government. You want to say something on their turf, you say it by their rules. True enough, but the headline and imagery are those of someone's free speech being trampled. That was my implication. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2007.12.28 20:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Mikelio Raijan STOP! Taser time. This is pretty hilarious. _
Gnome Chomsky 26th of July Movement	Posted - 2007.12.28 20:48:00 - [13] I find it strange that many people included a "I had to lol" caveat in their comments here and on youtube. This is a quite amazing clip of a guy being literally electrocuted by Police in some southerm shihtole of a church hall or something. This calls up images of Rodney King, or that guy shot while brandishing a lighter at a 7/11 and other instances of completely over-the-top establishment brutality... and yet people express apathy or laugh or even like the OP, express a likelihood of carrying out similar actions to the Police. Are you guys ******* crazy or am I?
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.28 20:50:00 - [14] The guy was over the top, he should have been a bit more concise instead of rambling and shouting, if some idiot was taking 10 minutes to ask a bloody question while shouting at me i would want him tazed too :colbert:
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.28 21:41:00 - [15] Originally by: Rialtor Originally by: Sister Impotentata I don't think it's a First Amendment issue. The University might get a lot of Federal funding, but it's not The Government. You want to say something on their turf, you say it by their rules. True enough, but the headline and imagery are those of someone's free speech being trampled. That was my implication. That I'll agree with completely. Originally by: Gnome Chomsky This is a quite amazing clip of a guy being literally electrocuted by Police in some southerm shihtole of a church hall or something. Are you guys ******* crazy or am I? Actually I thought it was at the University of Florida. So yes, you're right. You're not crazy, but you read more into it than I do. I just despise cops, and the type of people that become cops. ----- TANSTAAFL My Daddy was a prominent Cap man, my Momma's in the Naval Reserve, when I was young I carried a gun, I wonder how your engines feel!
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.28 21:54:00 - [16] Well, next time you're in danger don't call us... call a ***head and see if he gives a Originally by:** Tarminic Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.28 22:18:00 - [17] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Well, next time you're in danger don't call us... call a ***head and see if he gives a ** Surfin's! Are you one of them? And you seemed such a decent chap. There's always the exception that proves the rule. The simple fact remains, I'm more likely to suffer a monetary loss from a cop than from a criminal. Vague distinctions notwithstanding. If someone really wants to do good for the world, become a teacher, not a cop. Help people learn to keep their houses in order, rather than tazering them when they don't. ----- TANSTAAFL My Daddy was a prominent Cap man, my Momma's in the Naval Reserve, when I was young I carried a gun, I wonder how your engines feel!
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.28 23:09:00 - [18] Originally by: Gnome Chomsky I find it strange that many people included a "I had to lol" caveat in their comments here and on youtube. This is a quite amazing clip of a guy being literally electrocuted by Police in some southerm shihtole of a church hall or something. This calls up images of Rodney King, or that guy shot while brandishing a lighter at a 7/11 and other instances of completely over-the-top establishment brutality... and yet people express apathy or laugh or even like the OP, express a likelihood of carrying out similar actions to the Police. Are you guys ******* crazy or am I? Well the reason it's still laughable is that it's not as severe as Rodney King. And the background is less sinister, racism vs. some blabbering loud mouth get roughed up a bit. The guy in the video, while I feel it was bad policing, was kind of an idiot. And it's kind of funny how the events unfolded, and how he chose to express his wish not to get tazed in particular :). But, yea, imo the police escalated the situation, as well as escalating force which is not allowed. The guy while somewhat resistant to leaving, was well within the ability to control without tazing him. I mean they had some hecklers invade the Bill Maher show, no one needed to be tazed there. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
djNME DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.28 23:30:00 - [19] If some people just over think it and want to try n act high and mighty thats fine.I'd almost say your crazyto answer your question,due to most agreeing in some way it was laughable. I expressed I did think it was excessive force.Why do people laugh when they see someone walk into a pole while looking the other way?Maybe because in some way we can relate...or it is funny?When those people can too really hurt themself. I sadly agree with many people in the use of excess force.However,I was being honest about my feelings of it.If i see a police officer holding a tazer... last thing I'm going to start screaming is.. "DON'T TAZE ME BRO".I would calm down realize I'm surrounded by a force greater than I that does not want me there.Not playing it up for camera's;then if tazed file a rightful law suit. Sadly again, I think it was wrong.It makes me LOL and then think about it leaving a bitter taste.Then the words play back n my head "Dun taze me bro, Dun taze me!" and i laugh again. oh well.
Karma Gallente Vortex Incorporated	Posted - 2007.12.28 23:53:00 - [20] tazers can get pretty nasty sometimes... and some cops are all too willing to use them with very little provocation. digs through google ah, here we go: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7095875.stm basically he couldn't find his mother at the airport, tried to ask for help, but didn't know any English... got a bit frantic, which under the circumstances isn't unreasonable... the police thought it would be a good idea to tazer him, to calm him down... apparently it didn't work cause they tried again, which killed him.
Gnome Chomsky 26th of July Movement	Posted - 2007.12.28 23:55:00 - [21] Originally by: djNME If some people just over think it and want to try n act high and mighty thats fine.I'd almost say your crazyto answer your question,due to most agreeing in some way it was laughable. I expressed I did think it was excessive force.Why do people laugh when they see someone walk into a pole while looking the other way?Maybe because in some way we can relate...or it is funny?When those people can too really hurt themself. I sadly agree with many people in the use of excess force.However,I was being honest about my feelings of it.If i see a police officer holding a tazer... last thing I'm going to start screaming is.. "DON'T TAZE ME BRO".I would calm down realize I'm surrounded by a force greater than I that does not want me there.Not playing it up for camera's;then if tazed file a rightful law suit. Sadly again, I think it was wrong.It makes me LOL and then think about it leaving a bitter taste.Then the words play back n my head "Dun taze me bro, Dun taze me!" and i laugh again. oh well. I laugh at visual comedy where stuff gets hurt or broken.. I'm a big Tom 'n' Jerry fan. This is not Tom 'n' Jerry. Perhaps I can differentiate between a guy walking into a pole and a guy being electrocuted at a political rally by the legitimate law enforcement agency? I do think the guy played up for the camera, and I'm sure he had the line in mind.. but the underlying image is terrible. Imagine a boot stamping on a human faceùfor ever, is that funny?
Araxmas An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.12.29 00:03:00 - [22] Originally by: Neon Genesis Originally by: Mikelio Raijan STOP! Taser time. This is pretty hilarious. Win I don't know anything about what actually happened...but that guy that got taserd had a really annoying voice. -------- The Derek Quote Pyramid
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.29 00:17:00 - [23] Normal humans feel the emotion "funny", and have the reaction "laugh", under very specific conditions. The condition that inspires the emotion "funny" is this: a potentially dangerous, injurious situation which is rendered harmless. A man falls down the stairs willy-nilly, and pops up OK. Funny. A man falls down the stairs and lays there, unmoving, neck broken. Not funny. Jerry applies electricity to Tom. Tom dances around in glowing skeletal form. Then Tom continues chasing Jerry, unhurt. Funny. Mouse chews wires. Cat stumbles upon wires, and is OMGBBQ. Cat Dead. Not funny. "A boot to the head"? Funny. Curb stomp? Not funny. Classic sociobiological treatment: Primitive man enters clearing, sees ferocious tiger. Not funny. Primitive man notices tiger has paw caught in the crook of a tree, and is immobilized, nonthreatening. Funny. This particular fool was demonstrating a surrender reflex, while at the same time continuing to inflame his antagonists. He's a noodlehead, yes, no argument. But his cries inspire in me my natural recognition of the surrender reflex. He honestly feels he is in danger of injury (even if he is inviting it), and at that point it is not-funny. ----- TANSTAAFL My Daddy was a prominent Cap man, my Momma's in the Naval Reserve, when I was young I carried a gun, I wonder how your engines feel!
Gnome Chomsky 26th of July Movement	Posted - 2007.12.29 00:31:00 - [24] Edited by: Gnome Chomsky on 29/12/2007 00:35:48 Originally by: Sister Impotentata Normal humans feel the emotion "funny", and have the reaction "laugh", under very specific conditions. The condition that inspires the emotion "funny" is this: a potentially dangerous, injurious situation which is rendered harmless. A man falls down the stairs willy-nilly, and pops up OK. Funny. A man falls down the stairs and lays there, unmoving, neck broken. Not funny. Jerry applies electricity to Tom. Tom dances around in glowing skeletal form. Then Tom continues chasing Jerry, unhurt. Funny. Mouse chews wires. Cat stumbles upon wires, and is OMGBBQ. Cat Dead. Not funny. "A boot to the head"? Funny. Curb stomp? Not funny. Classic sociobiological treatment: Primitive man enters clearing, sees ferocious tiger. Not funny. Primitive man notices tiger has paw caught in the crook of a tree, and is immobilized, nonthreatening. Funny. This particular fool was demonstrating a surrender reflex, while at the same time continuing to inflame his antagonists. He's a noodlehead, yes, no argument. But his cries inspire in me my natural recognition of the surrender reflex. He honestly feels he is in danger of injury (even if he is inviting it), and at that point it is not-funny. Your babies.. can I have them? (quite probably impossible biologically speaking, but I'll settle for theoretical babies) Edit: the boot analogy was from 1984 btw.
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.29 00:48:00 - [25] Originally by: Gnome Chomsky Your babies.. can I have them? (quite probably impossible biologically speaking, but I'll settle for theoretical babies) No. I like your name but I'm not entirely convinced of your progenitor's intelligence. Does your corp name have similar significance? ----- TANSTAAFL My Daddy was a prominent Cap man, my Momma's in the Naval Reserve, when I was young I carried a gun, I wonder how your engines feel!
djNME DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.29 00:54:00 - [26] Edited by: djNME on 29/12/2007 00:57:25 "Jerry applies electricity to Tom. Tom dances around in glowing skeletal form. Then Tom continues chasing Jerry, unhurt. Funny." The guy screamed and then was escorted off the premises.He did not lay there not moving.He was fine.He played it up big time for the camera's. I still think police like that should have their badge removed.It's a sad affair, but welcome to 2008 in the world we live in today.Still... DUN TAZE ME BRO!!
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.29 01:02:00 - [27] Originally by: djNME The guy screamed and then was escorted off the premises.He did not lay there not moving.He was fine.He played it up big time for the camera's. That's my big point. He wasn't "escorted off the premises". He was #. Inappropriate. Half as many Secret Service guys, and they would have surrounded him in an Invulnerable Field of Secret Serviceness; with full web, stab, and cap drain. "Please come with us, sir, and I'm sure you'll be able to speak to Mr. Kerry later." By the time that sentence was over, the guy would have been somewhere west of Las Vegas. With properly trained (not equipped!) personnel, that guy would have been out of there with no fuss, no muss. ----- TANSTAAFL My Daddy was a prominent Cap man, my Momma's in the Naval Reserve, when I was young I carried a gun, I wonder how your engines feel!
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.12.29 01:45:00 - [28] I think he played up for the cameras because there are plenty of witnesses that before the event he was boasting that he would. Now there are plenty of other taser examples out there. One good one was a criminal who was chased up a tree by a dog. While he was trying to get down for the police another officer turned up and tasered him without provocation. He fell from high in a tree unable to move his arms or legs and is now quadraplegic.
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.12.29 06:03:00 - [29] The mere fact this guy was tasered because he was getting pushy in his questions during a QandA session makes me ill. I've seen the video a few times, and little I saw made me think use of force was justified. If he gets belligerent and obstreperous, you pick him up and take him out, you don't electrocute him. Universities should stand for open and free speech... sometimes that 'speech' get louder than 60 decibels. Deal or drop the facade that speech is in any way 'free'. Jesus Originally by: Riethe You know the female who does the voice for Aura? Do you ever think when she's alone with her boyfriend, she's like... "Docking request accepted" ?
Digitalfox Central Defiance Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.29 18:31:00 - [30] Edited by: Digitalfox on 29/12/2007 18:32:10 Ok first off this video is funny. The guy got what he deserved. Hate to break it to you but there is now violiation of anyones free speach rights here. 1. While yes one is intitled to say what they want. On must chose the proper time and place. You cant shout fire in a theater and claim free speach. 2. The police attempted to escort the man form the podium and he resisted them. Then proceeded to struggle with the police the entire time they tried moving him. In the law enforcement enviroment there are 4 types of people you will deal with. The Passive complinet person, this person does what their told and make up most of what you will deal with. The Passive Resister is the person who wont do what your told but when you begin to move them physicaly they offer no resistance and move. The Active Resister is the person who fights you when you try to move them, our subject fits into this catagory. Then lastly you have the Active Agressor, this is the person who attacks you. The police acted acording to policy. They first attempted to remove the suspect and he resisted, they then continued to try to subdue him using lower levels of force. They told the suspect the entire time what would happen if he continued to resist. The warend him to the fact that if he continued he would be tazed. He continued to struggle and fight them. He sufferd the consequenes of his choices. And I'm sure he will get more when he goes to trial. It saddens me to see people quickly jump on the hate the police band wagon. While yes some police are bad some police are corrupt not all of them are. They have a very hard job, and they get a lot of **** from alot of people. I dont envey them at all. Maybe next time you find yourself in trouble you will think better of them. Do everyone a favor next time you see a "police brutality" video and do so research and see if it really was police brutality or just police doing their job. Central Defiance says "check out our Movie"
Tarquin Tarquinius Gallente Escorts of Eve	Posted - 2007.12.29 19:01:00 - [31] Edited by: Tarquin Tarquinius on 29/12/2007 19:01:25 I agree with everything Digitalfox said. Its also worth noting that he did this in the presence of a sitting US Senator. The idea that this is a free speech violation is unfounded. This was a university event on school property and they have a right to control who speaks and tell people to leave if they don't like what they're saying. Just like how the security at Wal-Mart will probably make you leave if you start calling the greeter an *******. ------ Any factual errors or mistakes in spelling and grammar should be attributed solely to me and not my nation of origin.
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.29 20:36:00 - [32] Originally by: Digitalfox 2. The police attempted to escort the man form the podium and he resisted them. Then proceeded to struggle with the police the entire time they tried moving him. In the law enforcement enviroment there are 4 types of people you will deal with. The Passive complinet person, this person does what their told and make up most of what you will deal with. The Passive Resister is the person who wont do what your told but when you begin to move them physicaly they offer no resistance and move. The Active Resister is the person who fights you when you try to move them, our subject fits into this catagory. Then lastly you have the Active Agressor, this is the person who attacks you. The police acted acording to policy. They first attempted to remove the suspect and he resisted, they then continued to try to subdue him using lower levels of force. They told the suspect the entire time what would happen if he continued to resist. The warend him to the fact that if he continued he would be tazed. He continued to struggle and fight them. He sufferd the consequenes of his choices. And I'm sure he will get more when he goes to trial. It saddens me to see people quickly jump on the hate the police band wagon. While yes some police are bad some police are corrupt not all of them are. They have a very hard job, and they get a lot of ** from alot of people. I dont envey them at all. Maybe next time you find yourself in trouble you will think better of them. Do everyone a favor next time you see a "police brutality" video and do so research and see if it really was police brutality or just police doing their job. That guy should have been removed in thirty seconds flat. How many cops were struggling with that guy? Six? Eight? Ten? It ain't like the guy was hopped up on PCP. You think the cops dealt with this guy properly? Go look up some info on how the Secret Service deals with unruly individuals. Those cops weren't protecting, they weren't serving. They were getting their collective nut off. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by:** Patricia Arquette There were lots of stars at night. purple and red and yellow and on fire You don't see that. You might still see it in the desert.
Digitalfox Central Defiance Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.29 21:11:00 - [33] Edited by: Digitalfox on 29/12/2007 21:12:22 Originally by: Sister Impotentata That guy should have been removed in thirty seconds flat. How many cops were struggling with that guy? Six? Eight? Ten? It ain't like the guy was hopped up on PCP. You think the cops dealt with this guy properly? Go look up some info on how the Secret Service deals with unruly individuals. Those cops weren't protecting, they weren't serving. They were getting their collective nut off. Quite possible the dumbest thing I have heard today. The police here are not the Secret Service. They are not trained the same way. These are local cops who are doing their job. Rule #1 if you dont what to get hit by the cops try not resisting when they begin escort you off. I can garuntee that nothing would have happen to this guy if he had shut his yap and left with the police. A slap on the wrist is all. Instead he chose to fight the police. The police took the action needed to control the situation quickly. Have you ever tried to place someone in handcuffs? Ever tried to escort someone who doesnt want to be? I have, its not as easy as you may think. This person brought this on himself. Guess what the cops arent always the bad guy. The fact was the man was informed of the consequences of his actions should he continue to resist. He made a concious desion to continue his misbehavior and he sufferd the consequences. Its that simple. Central Defiance says "check out our Movie"
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.12.29 22:45:00 - [34] Gee, heated discussion at a university during a political function.. obviously time to bring the billy-clubs in and beat the crap out of the guy... People, keep in mind tasering is masked assault... it's serious use of force that is 'clean'. However, it's still a lot more strong than grabbing someone by the elbows and taking them away. If you think differently, I suggest you stick your tongue in a wall-socket and see what happens. Then, compare that to being bodily removed from a bar after you've had too much to drinnk and are acting like a tard. I guarantee you being zapped is much worse than mere physicality. Again... this happened at a UNIVERSITY. A place of learning discussion and thought. Not a bar or a hotel. If you cannot vehemently oppose intellectual theads at a university, I am genuinely concerned. And so you should be as well.... Frankly, I've seen more verbal abuse from trained politicians at an official debate. Should citizens have fewer rights than the politicians? Seriously, that's screwed up. Originally by: Riethe You know the female who does the voice for Aura? Do you ever think when she's alone with her boyfriend, she's like... "Docking request accepted" ?
Digitalfox Central Defiance Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.29 23:34:00 - [35] When one follows the rules of university public forum then one doesnt have to worry about getting into truble there. You are acting as though this man did nothing wrong. Lets take a breif look at the facts of this case. 1. The man came upto the microphone after two hours of Mr Kerry answering questions and was wrapping up. 2. Mr Kerry permitted the man to speak 3. He was asked twice very politly by the people putting on the event to ask his question or leave. At the the man began to raise his voice and yell at the people putting on the event 4. Once they cut his microphone off the man begain to become excessivly boistress and angry 5. When the police moved in to escort him off the premiss then man pulled away and begain resisting the officers 6. Continuing to fight the officers for the next two minutes he is taken to the ground. 7. The officers are unable to get restaints on the person and after repeated warnings he is tazed. 8. Cuffs aplied subject removed. The man lost no rights, nothing was violated. And for the record I have been tazed, I have also been pepper sprayed. The latter is the more painful. The officers used the tazer apropeotly. The man faild to comply, resisted, and was breifely tazed. The didnt excessivly zap him or taze him multiple times just enough so he got it trough his head that they wernt playin around. Bringing up the fact that its at a university is a moot point. The man was in violations of the rules laid down for the public forum. It wouldnt be much of an intelectual forum in every asshat went over their alloted time and became loud and boisterus when asked to hurry it up. You still need to play by the rules. Also The man who gets tazed later admitted wrong doing, He still doesnt think he needed to be tazed but hey I dont think anyone ever thinks they need that, He apologized and holds no grudge against the officers. Saying "They where diong their job" Central Defiance says "check out our Movie"
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.29 23:40:00 - [36] Originally by: Digitalfox Quite possible the dumbest thing I have heard today. The police here are not the Secret Service. They are not trained the same way. These are local cops who are doing their job. Well said Consider this, from your own cop-loving point of view: That guy, while being "subdued according to policy," could have easily lashed out and maimed any number of those cops. I know I would have taken a few pig eyeballs with me. Their performance was poor, and any Chief looking at the footage would agree with me. One reason cops need to be able to subdue authoritatively is because they protect themselves in the process. Not that I'm against a pig getting his just desserts, but injured pigs cost me money. More money than any other injured person in my society. They damn well better know how to subdue an antagonist. "Doing their job" means protecting and serving. Which means they protect and serve even the antagonists. That is the job of a cop. Otherwise they're just subsidized vigilantes. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Patricia Arquette There were lots of stars at night. purple and red and yellow and on fire You don't see that. You might still see it in the desert.
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.29 23:45:00 - [37] Originally by: Digitalfox 6. Continuing to fight the officers for the next two minutes he is taken to the ground. Therein lies the fail. One man should not be able to resist a half dozen or more cops for that amount of time, he should have been taken to ground, picked up, and dumped outside sort of thirty seconds. Note I will never refer to a cop as an officer. Pick a wet pig up out of the ocean, and see where he ends up eating. It ain't the wardroom. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Patricia Arquette There were lots of stars at night. purple and red and yellow and on fire You don't see that. You might still see it in the desert.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari The Delta Source	Posted - 2007.12.30 00:04:00 - [38] At least digitalfox knows how procedure works. Can't say much for the rest of ya. Courts showed no wrong doing on the cops part. Tazer boy publicly apologized for his actions as he knew they were wrong. They dropped a number of charges on him but kept the public disturbance. Case closed.
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.30 00:17:00 - [39] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich At least digitalfox knows how procedure works. Can't say much for the rest of ya. Courts showed no wrong doing on the cops part. Tazer boy publicly apologized for his actions as he knew they were wrong. They dropped a number of charges on him but kept the public disturbance. Case closed. Procedure is fine, technique was lacking. I guarantee the Chief didn't say "good job" to any of the cops involved. Public Disturbance is appropriate. Can't argue that. But, "Oooh! They dropped a whole bunch of charges! How nice of them!" No. Shotgun Litigation is lame, and should be addressed the same way frivolous lawsuits are. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Patricia Arquette There were lots of stars at night. purple and red and yellow and on fire You don't see that. You might still see it in the desert.
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.12.30 00:28:00 - [40] Originally by: Digitalfox points I wish to address The man lost no rights, nothing was violated. And for the record I have been tazed, I have also been pepper sprayed. The latter is the more painful. The officers used the tazer appropriately. The man faild to comply, resisted, and was breifely tazed. The didnt excessivly zap him or taze him multiple times just enough so he got it trough his head that they wernt playin around. Bringing up the fact that its at a university is a moot point. The man was in violations of the rules laid down for the public forum. It wouldnt be much of an intelectual forum in every asshat went over their alloted time and became loud and boisterus when asked to hurry it up. You still need to play by the rules. Also The man who gets tazed later admitted wrong doing, He still doesnt think he needed to be tazed but hey I dont think anyone ever thinks they need that, He apologized and holds no grudge against the officers. Saying "They where diong their job" hmm 1) sure, it's a public forum, however the timeline doesn't matter... it`s a QandA. The guy had the official microphone, so it was obviously time for Q`s. 2) no, Mr.Kerry did not 'permit' him to speak. Mr.Kerry was speaking at a public forum and all citizens in attendance are entitled to speak (using the format). The US enshrines that sort of thing, like most civilized nations. 3) fair enough, the man was obviously rambling and eventually disruptive of the process... that said, he wasn't yelling 'at' the people, he was getting **ed off he was being cut off... there's a vast difference at being ed at a thing and directing your anger towards people specifically... all I saw was the guy getting worked up because he was cut off in mid-ramble... 4)he got frustrated, not angry. I'm sure you've experienced the same. It's the difference between wanting to smash someone in the face and smash your hand into a wall. 5)sure 6)'struggle', not 'fight'... fighting would be anger directed towards the 'police'... he was obviously *ed off at being truncated and removed... 'fighting' would have meant he was striking out at the cops. He didn't do that. There is a big difference between resisting and fighting. Adequately trained officers would have seen that and applied appropriate force. 7) No, there were 5 or 6 cops... they plunked him down and zapped him to make him compliant. They could have easily restrained him physically simply by sitting on him. Instead they zapped him at least once. Probably more (the audio was muddled by that point, so I can't tell). 8) sure... by that time, the guy knew they were willing to significantly hurt him... of course he stopped after being zapped. At some point citizens will wake up and realize tasering is a bad thing. It hides the fact that the subject is being treated nearly as badly as if he had been clubbed. Currently, it is tolerated because it leaves no marks (usually), is over quickly, and subdues the person very quickly. However, it is a significant physical assault. 20-40000 volts is very effective, granted. So? So are other methods that are messier. It does not mean tasering is any less of an abrogation of rights than a good billy-clubbing.... it just doesn't LOOK as horrific. I don't dispute the guy overran the tolerance for that type of forum. I do think he got treated as if he was a criminal when in fact he was simply being a rabble rouser. Democracy is based on dissension, not agreement. Further, police should not be in place to enforce standards that inculcate fear. Rather, they should enforce the will of the laws and the people. That does not include using electrocution as a means of limiting political debate, no matter if it is annoying or wrongheaded. They should serve, not frighten. Countries that cease debate because of police presence don't stay democracies for long. That matter should have been handled better. Originally by:* Riethe You know the female who does the voice for Aura? Do you ever think when she's alone with her boyfriend, she's like... "Docking request accepted" ?
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.30 00:40:00 - [41] Originally by: Mr Friendly abrogation... inculcate... You used two awesome words that I am determined to integrate into my vocabulary. "Abrogate" is understood, if not on the tip of my tongue. "Inculcate," however, is deliciously exotic, and heretofore unknown to me. Thank you. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Patricia Arquette There were lots of stars at night. purple and red and yellow and on fire You don't see that. You might still see it in the desert.
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.12.30 00:55:00 - [42] Edited by: Mr Friendly on 30/12/2007 00:55:54 Originally by: Sister Impotentata Originally by: Mr Friendly abrogation... inculcate... You used two awesome words that I am determined to integrate into my vocabulary. "Abrogate" is understood, if not on the tip of my tongue. "Inculcate," however, is deliciously exotic, and heretofore unknown to me. Thank you. lol, ty ;) I have a large student loan that occassionally enforces my vocabulary use. 1.3 million words in English, and I mostly use Engrish.. sad, really.... Originally by: Riethe You know the female who does the voice for Aura? Do you ever think when she's alone with her boyfriend, she's like... "Docking request accepted" ?
Digitalfox Central Defiance Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.30 02:21:00 - [43] While yes I do agree, the situation could have been handled better. Most situations could. Its a hind sight 20/20 thing. My point is this; this was not a supression of a mans rights as most would have you believe, this was not police brutality as most would have you believe. It was mearly bad decission making by the persons involved. The fact that there 5-6 cops involved is of little differnance. Have you ever tried to restrain someone who does not want to be restrained? I have, its not as easy as simply slaping the cuffs on them. Given I have only ever done it in training situations, but I still have a basic understanding of principals involved. Just a bit of backround, of me, I am not a police officer I am a Boarding Officer in The US Coast Guard. I did not join with the intent of doing law enforcment, I joined for search and rescue, and picked up LE as one of my many collateral dutys. Back on track. 1. Yes, the time line does matter, as by the event orginazers the time for question and answers what finished. 2. Yes the senetor did permit the man to ask a question, after the time for questions was over. 3. Agreed, still no excuse for this type of behavior. 4. frustrated, angery, fed up with the man, what ever. He began to escalate the situation. 5. 6. Ok I'll give you struggle, the point is he was resisting what would have been nothing more then his calm removal from the premisis and further escalated the situation. 7. I counted 1 zap, and as for the number of officers involved, it doesnt matter because at that point only two officers are able to effectively handle the subject in a manner that would allow them to place the cuffs on him. And he continued to pull away from preventing the aplication of the cuffs. 8. Thats the point of the zap. How many time can you tell a person you are going to do something befor you lose credibitly. If you give a man a comand and a consequence and you fail to follow through with the consequence you lose your athority. Please explain to me how a Taze is different from say pepper spray or pressure points, joint manipulation, or other forms of control. A point in fact, the United States is not a Democracy, it is a Constitutional Republic ruled three branches of Government. The police are there to provide protection and enforcment of laws. This situation began simply as the police removing a rabble rouser from what was otherwise a simple q and a session. That escalated, by the actions of the subject, into an arrest situation. If the man wished to speak, he is protected in that, he is more then welcome to start a meeting of Q and A of his own, with his own rule and his own enforcement of those rules. He chose to go to someone else meeting and chose to ignore the rules. This is not free speach. Free speach does not mean I can say what ever I want when ever I want with no consequencs for my actions. The fact that this happend has absolutly nothing to do with the mans right to free speach, and has everything to do with his actions. I fully agree with Sister Impotentata in that this situation was handled poorly by the police, they should have been able to restrain the man much faster with alot less resistance, but they didnt, and couldnt. But they violated no rights in using the force the deemed necissary to gain control. And yes tazing hurts, but its not nearly as bad as you make it sound Mr Friendly. But over all yes I agree the situation should have been handled better. now I'm off to dictionary.com to learn the meaning of "abrogation" and "inculcate" Central Defiance says "check out our Movie"
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.12.30 02:53:00 - [44] Originally by: Mad Amos Most people that call me bro, I wanna taze. Does that make me a bad person? it makes you a ****. As for bad person I'm not sure, I mean you might be mentally handicapped or something in which case I guess your reaction is morally defendable.
Keorythe Caldari Terra Rosa Militia Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.12.30 03:07:00 - [45] Edited by: Keorythe on 30/12/2007 03:08:19 Originally by: Mr Friendly The mere fact this guy was tasered because he was getting pushy in his questions during a QandA session makes me ill. I've seen the video a few times, and little I saw made me think use of force was justified. If he gets belligerent and obstreperous, you pick him up and take him out, you don't electrocute him. Universities should stand for open and free speech... sometimes that 'speech' get louder than 60 decibels. Deal or drop the facade that speech is in any way 'free'. Jesus Problem here is that EVERYONE makes their opinion off of this based on a video taken by the guy who was tased and who had set up the event himself. The video was HEAVILY EDITED and left out some of the ranting he did before being asked to get to his question and then deviation from his question. He wasn't tasered for asking questions. He was tasered for being beligerent and resisting arrest. Fact of the matter is that during any QandA session everyone who gets to the microphone gets to ask one question so that others behind them get to ask their questions. Not only didn't he ask 1 but continued on with several others and a rant thereby taking up alot of time that other students WAITING IN LINE BEHIND HIM could have used. Those sessions and the very limited time of the speaker are being paid for by the university so as many students as possible can get access. The right of the university to monitor and police the event trumps everyone else's right to rant. No 1st amendment "free speech rights" were broken there. Here's the UNEDITED version taken by camera phone. You want the truth of what happened? Can you really handle it? WHAT REALLY HAPPENED
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.12.30 04:39:00 - [46] Originally by: Digitalfox damnit, this forum has no space to quote and respond ... sorry ;( well, 5-6 restraining officers SHOULD make a difference when you are trying to restrain someone, tbh. More than 2 or 3 might be a hindrance, but jeez... if 4, 5 or even 6 of my friends were trying to get a guy off me, that guy would be gone in a moment. That's all that I meant, really. Zapping someone is (to my mind) something to be done when you don't have any control over a subject... not when you have other people to help you... the whole thing just seemed more like mall security was involved... just unprofessional.... As for "when to zap or not to zap": I just don't like tasering at all as a response, tbh. It's far too close to police brutality without adequate acknowledgement that it is in fact 'serious business'. Because it doesn't cause permanent harm (usually), it's almost being used flippantly.. that's really bothersome. I'd almost rather police didn't have the tech simply because they would have to justify taking out their truncheons because the stick is an obvious weapon and leaves traces. Call me old fashioned, but when you know there are permament marks from your use of force, you're more likely to be careful with its application. Oh, btw, I don't know about being tasered, but I have been pepper sprayed when I was protesting a few years ago. Non-lethal uses of force should be carefully administered simply because they still do harm. I wouldn't want to be tasered myself, but I have been hit with 120v, 15amp house current a few times through my work, so I 'get' the debilitating and scary nature of electrical shock. I also understand it's much better than being shot by a gun (so I get that part too;) ). As always, law enforcement sucks as a job and I wouldn't want to do it... it's just I'm concerned when I see tools being used outside of where I think they 'should' be. Note, I'm a card carrying member of my provinces Civil Liberties Assoc. ;) Originally by: Riethe You know the female who does the voice for Aura? Do you ever think when she's alone with her boyfriend, she's like... "Docking request accepted" ?
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.12.30 04:58:00 - [47] Originally by: Keorythe Edited by: Keorythe on 30/12/2007 03:08:19 Originally by: Mr Friendly The mere fact this guy was tasered because he was getting pushy in his questions during a QandA session makes me ill. I've seen the video a few times, and little I saw made me think use of force was justified. If he gets belligerent and obstreperous, you pick him up and take him out, you don't electrocute him. Universities should stand for open and free speech... sometimes that 'speech' get louder than 60 decibels. Deal or drop the facade that speech is in any way 'free'. Jesus Problem here is that EVERYONE makes their opinion off of this based on a video taken by the guy who was tased and who had set up the event himself. The video was HEAVILY EDITED and left out some of the ranting he did before being asked to get to his question and then deviation from his question. He wasn't tasered for asking questions. He was tasered for being beligerent and resisting arrest. Fact of the matter is that during any QandA session everyone who gets to the microphone gets to ask one question so that others behind them get to ask their questions. Not only didn't he ask 1 but continued on with several others and a rant thereby taking up alot of time that other students WAITING IN LINE BEHIND HIM could have used. Those sessions and the very limited time of the speaker are being paid for by the university so as many students as possible can get access. The right of the university to monitor and police the event trumps everyone else's right to rant. No 1st amendment "free speech rights" were broken there. Here's the UNEDITED version taken by camera phone. You want the truth of what happened? Can you really handle it? WHAT REALLY HAPPENED okay, just watched the clip err, how many student rallies have you been to, might I ask? The guy certainly rambled/ranted on... absolutely. I just don't see the point where he became a criminal deserving to be tasered. He wasn't being more than really annoying and flipping out somewhat once the security guys moved in. Even then, he wasn't violent... more that he was just being a bit silly and overreacting. However, he was then treated to a good old bit of 'ultraviolence' by the security. I still don't see where the justification for significant pain was justified. Sorry. Frankly, if students were treated like that every time they got near a microphone on campus, we'd have a very scared student body.Part of university is being passionate about issues. Again, I've seen MUCH more abusive behaviour from politicians during a debate. The only difference is they are more restrained. Volume rather than underlying vituperation should not determine acceptability for discourse Originally by: Riethe You know the female who does the voice for Aura? Do you ever think when she's alone with her boyfriend, she's like... "Docking request accepted" ?
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.30 05:20:00 - [48] A taser is a compliance tool, he was being noncompliant, he got the compliance tool. I don't see what the big deal is, tasers aren't that bad, it hurts more being pepper sprayed. I would've sprayed him because I'm just a sadistic bastard Originally by: Tarminic Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
Kata Dakini An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.12.30 05:23:00 - [49] A taser was definitely excessive, but that all depends on the outcome. If you get 2-4 guys to physically remove him, he may struggle and fight back, injuring himself or another. That's not for sure, of course, but I can tell you from personal experience from restraining crazy 10-12th graders (clinically... crazy.), that in the heat of it all, it's really easy for someone to get hurt. I've seen a number of students AND staff require serious medical attention. The kids I deal with are high school kids, and while some of them are pretty damned big (6'4" 310lb) they still don't have what we refer to as "man strength". Consider a guy in his early 20's (when "man strength" starts to develop), there is going to be greater chance of someone getting hurt. Instead of all that, you just f'in tase them. They get hit once or twice with that thing and they will be subdued. It's not a pleasant feeling. I have a taser that someone gave me a few years ago. The battery that was in it when he gave it to me is still in there. If I turn it on now, the charge is MUCH weaker than what it would be with a new battery. I tased myself a few weeks ago, and it's equivalent to running your hands over a TV screen and touching a screw in the wall (maybe a little more), but it's enough to make you toss the taser. If that were 20x stronger? Hell no. That would suck. For more enjoyment and greater efficiency, consumption is being standardized.
Tarquin Tarquinius Gallente Escorts of Eve	Posted - 2007.12.30 06:06:00 - [50] The taser wasn't excessive. In my brothers department they use the taser first for ANY resistance. Taser is safer than beating, fighting, pepper spraying, or shooting. ...and that guy wasn't technically tased. He was dry stunned which has a very different effect. It only causes physical pain to the area directly contacted, and doesn't cause full body paralysis. ------ Any factual errors or mistakes in spelling and grammar should be attributed solely to me and not my nation of origin.
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.12.30 07:58:00 - [51] Personally it disturbs me that police are allowed to use tazors. Only situation I see fit, is instead of shooting someone. In Australia currently the police force is calling for all officers to be equipped with the bloody things, which disturbs me no end. If there was some kind of balance in there usage, rather than the latest tool in the police arsenal [watercannons, pepper spray, etc] i might be swayed otherwise. As it is with the erosion of civil liberties since 9/11, these weapons are used indiscriminately. The right to protest is near gone, as is freedom of speech. I understand police work is a difficult business, but it is now at a whole new level, it is itself a form of violence.
Ja'kar MAFIA	Posted - 2007.12.30 12:34:00 - [52] c'mon the guy was a **** - ask your question don't make into a lecture - he did not even let the guy answer the question - should have been calm - he did go for a while. When i used to work as a head doorman you get ppl that think they are safe to be stupid - and since i am mostly quite calm this gives them a 'hero' feeling that lets them push things too far. then when they get hit they like omg did you see that! Trust me i am no fan of the police (some of them are good ppl) but I hate stupid ppl even more
annoing Amarr MisFunk Inc. Frontline.	Posted - 2007.12.30 12:57:00 - [53] Sports men -- who said they had brains? "I couldn't find London on a map if they didn't have the names of the countries. I swear to God. I don't know what nothing is. I know Italy looks like a boot. I know (Washington Redskins linebacker) London Fletcher. We did a football camp together. So I know him. That's the closest thing I know to London. He's black, so I'm sure he's not from London. I'm sure that's a coincidental name." Miami Dolphins linebacker Channing Crowder "I didn't know it was the home of golf. I thought the home of golf was where I was from." Boo Weekley (golfer) with his verdict on St Andrews. "I swear on my mother's life, my late mother's life." Alex Higgins being interviewed by Stephen Nolan on BBC "You can compare us at the moment to a bit of soft p0rn - there is an awful lot of foreplay and not a lot going on in the box." Rochdale FC manager Keith Hill And the funniest man in english football ...... "I was never tempted to become a punk. I was Sidney Serious, I was into George Benson. I was smooth. Smooth as a cashmere codpiece." About on having Kidney Stone "It's still in my body and I'll have to pass it at sometime but my passing's absolutely diabolical. That's what I told the doctor: "What chance have I got of passing anything - did you see me play?!" "If we're talking lookalikes he's Toad of Toad Hall, isn't he?" On new Chelsea boss Avram Grant. Step forward Ian Holloway of Leicester City FC all stolen off bbc sports Originally by: Ian Holloway Smooth as a cashmere codpiece
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.12.30 13:02:00 - [54] Sorry to derail the derail this thread has become (interesting though it has been to read) and to the OP offer: "Some people out there in our nation don't have maps." Brilliant in its pure idiocy. She is cute though so guess as a guy I can overlook that.
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.30 14:04:00 - [55] Originally by: Digitalfox My point is this; this was not a supression of a mans rights as most would have you believe, this was not police brutality as most would have you believe. It was mearly bad decission making by the persons involved. I agree with you on both of those points, sir. This was a good conversation. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Patricia Arquette There were lots of stars at night. purple and red and yellow and on fire You don't see that. You might still see it in the desert.
StillGrey Boss	Posted - 2007.12.30 14:20:00 - [56] The guy should not have resisted once the cops went after him, at that point there was nothing he could do. However the most important point is the cops should not have been called in to sort this guy out in the first place. Even if he want ranting and shouting his ass off. Thats how things happen in politics, it's full of idiots, and people with strong opinions, some of them like to shout. You cannot set a bunch of cops of anyone who becomes slightly unruly during a political debate, or whatever it is that passes as political debate in the US anymore. Also the cops were just utterly pathetic at subduing the guy, there was a whole bunch of them completely surrounding him and they had to resort to tasing him? This is not to do with special secret service training, it is not hard for 8 completely unskilled similarly sized people to hold down another person. Ever watch any rugby? They should not have, nor had to use a taser against an unarmed, non violent man when they had 6-7 officers surrounding him. In short the guy was a **** for doing what he did once the cops went after him, the cops were crap because they had to use a taser on a non violent student when they had lots of officers on hand.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.12.30 14:35:00 - [57] Now if you want a proper example of taser abuse it's right here. Short version: Diabetic falls into a coma, police find him, don't understand why he's slumped over like that and to be on the safe side decide to taser him and dump him in the back of a van. ---- Anything less is wasted effort
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.12.30 15:04:00 - [58] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 30/12/2007 15:12:51 Originally by: Araxmas Originally by: Neon Genesis Originally by: Mikelio Raijan STOP! Taser time. This is pretty hilarious. Win I don't know anything about what actually happened...but that guy that got taserd had a really annoying voice. he got tazed for asking john kerry if he was skull & bones. and he didn't resist arrest, the original footage is quite disturbing. it was a form of punishment, not a preventive action. the people there were sheep, and they probably didn't even know what they were doing. regardless, the time is soon come where those who will not change to the path of truth and love will be destroyed. and those who think they will win, will be oblitterated and their filth washed away. we either stop this madness or we will be restarted. (we do it ourselves or it will be done for us). like kiddies in a sand box, sometimes it needs to be leveled, if the kiddies cannot do it themselves. I mean this quite genuinely, and it will become quite apparent to you in the future. play nice. The time for change is at hand. The parents are coming home to check on the kids. Take a deep breath and feel the calmness of the truth. There is no escape for the defilers, nowhere they can run or hide no method or way to remain in their ways, they can either surrender or be annihilated. Be at peace, our parents will set all right if we are unable to do it ourselves.
hired goon Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.12.30 17:00:00 - [59] I'm not a police-hater and disagree strongly with Sister Impotentata's blanket-labelling of 'pig'. I'm one of the few people that think's the armed UK police that shot Jean Charles de Menezes should not be charged - because none of us could understand the pressures experienced by police in the heat of the moment, when faced with someone who could suddenly explode and kill everyone. But the police here acted inappropriately. -omg-
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.12.30 17:15:00 - [60] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 30/12/2007 17:17:15 pwned and yes the police just did what they think they should, they were just clueless. don't be mad at them, they do just what they think they should. but know that the time for negotiation will soon be over in a matter of a few years when the parents return to check on the kids, they will first reprimand the nanny which has been very naughty indeed, and then sort out the mess the kiddies have made, if we (the kids) don't set it right first. if we do we can keep all our good stuff like games like eve and all the rest, if we do not then we will be restarted and the defilers swiftly decimated with no compromise exception or negotiation. the parents don't deal with lies and bullsjit. tick tock so in other words don't worry about a thing. and laugh at the liars who want to instill fear in you and make you think you have no choice and that they are somehow designated to rule you. they will be swiftly removed, like a baloon is popped by a needle. at any rate.. hmm quote of the year.. i think the bets quote to go into the new year is "be nice". and who said it first is not important.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.12.30 17:25:00 - [61] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Stuff about parents I can't work out whether these 'parents' you're talking about are supposed to be something to hope for or to be afraid of. All I see is yet another invented authority that we're being told to just smile and accept. ---- Anything less is wasted effort
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.12.30 17:31:00 - [62] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 30/12/2007 17:35:25 nah they are very real, they act just like any parent would, this is just on a civilization scale rather than person to person. our home alone time is soon over for now, they'll come and check on us and then leave again after a while. if we messed things up too much then the unwanted elements that refuse to cooperate with cleaning up the house will be removed permanently. there's nothing to fear. they don't deal with lies and bull**** and want only the best for us. sometimes the hand of the child must be forced if the child will not listen, or the child will harm itself too badly, and the parent cannot tolerate that. we think ourselves wise but we are like kids compared to them. they see and understand things we do not, cause we are kids and they are parents. so just like you would reprimand and train a dog that you love if it bites you or similar, or in the same way that a parent would protect a child that in its ignorance does an action that harms itself, so are they towards us. we are given free roam to gain independence as children so that we do not need much help, but at some points in our aging they have to intervene when we mess up, we are soon nearing one of these times, where a little house cleaning might be necessary. But that is very much dependent on how we handle the next few years. in short don't worry bout a thing, just live your life. this is all automatical and flawless. enjoy the life game.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.12.30 17:32:00 - [63] So they're aliens? ---- Anything less is wasted effort
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.12.30 17:39:00 - [64] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 30/12/2007 17:43:27 Originally by: Adonis 4174 So they're aliens? nah, well yes and no. hehe. like us just immensely more evolved, you know.. like a wise and calm and seasoned parent, they've seen and done a lot, they know how stuff works by experience. they are only aliens cause we don't remember em. cause the plan is for us to have fun being kiddies and growing up and the earth is our particular playground and there are other playgrounds in other places. so the parents step back and watch us play, cause we all know how annoying and interfering it is for a parent to stay around and watch everything you do.. that hardly makes the child independent and happy. so they stay back and interject at various points when we might get in too much trouble and hurt ourselves too much, the universe is quite a wonderful place actually, with a few rascals here and there that sometimes needs sorting, a little downtime and maintenance at times if you will. like changing a diaper or cleaning a rug or whatnot hehe. soon we are nearing one of these times cause we got a few rascals here on our playground who has been rascals for quite some time and have some plans for hurting the kids, that the parents just can't allow, so they can look forward to getting a smack on the chin or a boot to the head if they don't get with the program of fun and growing up. and offcourse like any parent, when you see the parent in the eyes you don't need to question the parents authority or love cause then you'll know the parent loves you, and everything will be allright. so don't worry.
Ja'kar MAFIA	Posted - 2007.12.30 19:08:00 - [65] Edited by: Ja''kar on 30/12/2007 19:08:06 I'm not a police-hater and disagree strongly with Sister Impotentata's blanket-labelling of 'pig'. I'm one of the few people that think's the armed UK police that shot Jean Charles de Menezes should not be charged - because none of us could understand the pressures experienced by police in the heat of the moment, when faced with someone who could suddenly explode and kill everyone. yes true - but after they shot him they lied, about it - thats not good and looks very bad for the police
Micheal Dietrich Caldari The Delta Source	Posted - 2007.12.30 19:29:00 - [66] So we just went from supposed police brutality to hostile alien takeovers? I need a hat!
annoing Amarr MisFunk Inc. Frontline.	Posted - 2007.12.30 20:54:00 - [67] Originally by: 7shining7one7 [ nah, well yes and no. hehe. like us just immensely more evolved, you know.. like a wise and calm and seasoned parent, they've seen and done a lot, they know how stuff works by experience. they are only aliens cause we don't remember em. Make the wierd man go away mummy, he scare me! No seriously, he scares me. Religious fanatics are the only other people who can talk b0llocks like this and believe it. And David Icke when he has one of his 'giant lizard control mankind' moments. Originally by: Ian Holloway Smooth as a cashmere codpiece
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.12.30 21:31:00 - [68] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 30/12/2007 21:31:55 Originally by: annoing Originally by: 7shining7one7 [ nah, well yes and no. hehe. like us just immensely more evolved, you know.. like a wise and calm and seasoned parent, they've seen and done a lot, they know how stuff works by experience. they are only aliens cause we don't remember em. Make the wierd man go away mummy, he scare me! No seriously, he scares me. Religious fanatics are the only other people who can talk b0llocks like this and believe it. And David Icke when he has one of his 'giant lizard control mankind' moments. the misplaced religions and the likes have little to do with this. furthermore keep your childish comments to yourself. i'm not interested in adolescent rants and it is also useless to reiterate. be happy and not afraid and enjoy your life, knowing that you are taken care off and others will do what is required eventhough you refuse to, and that if it is not sorted by us it will be done for us. in short be still and do not worry. be nice and enjoy your life.
Avery Fatwallet	Posted - 2007.12.30 21:46:00 - [69] sheesh i thought your shrooms would have worn off by now
Micheal Dietrich Caldari The Delta Source	Posted - 2007.12.30 22:44:00 - [70] Originally by: Avery Fatwallet sheesh i thought your shrooms would have worn off by now They would if he would ever stop eating them.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.31 01:33:00 - [71] mind explodes

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