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Tanksmann	Posted - 2007.12.30 07:40:00 - [1] 4 neutrals came into Great Wildlands space and my gang and I responded with about a 10 man battleship force to take care of the threat near N-D. They killed an Abaddon of ours before we killed a megathron, and brutix. The typhoon and tempest managed to warp out, and safe spotted. A gang mate suggested we pop the drones they left at the gate to keep their aggro timer from expiring. He popped one drone, supposedly renewing the 15minute timer he said. The neutral targets logged off within a few minutes. Then another drone was popped from each player, and we had a covert ops ship on the scene to drop probes. Sure enough, after popping one more drone from each ship, far more than 15minutes later the players who logged off were probed out and shot down. Now I ask, is this considered an exploit? Or simply a clever usage of game mechanics to neutralize a threat? In my personal opinion it serves as the former and not the latter.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.30 07:42:00 - [2] Exploit Doing the same thing to wrecks/cans they left behind was declared an exploit a long time ago. That mechanic has been fixed, it appears CCP missed this one. Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.12.30 07:43:00 - [3] It sounds like an exploit, except you're using it against people who logoff. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Chattel	Posted - 2007.12.30 07:44:00 - [4] Originally by: Tanksmann 4 neutrals came into Great Wildlands space and my gang and I responded with about a 10 man battleship force to take care of the threat near N-D. They killed an Abaddon of ours before we killed a megathron, and brutix. The typhoon and tempest managed to warp out, and safe spotted. A gang mate suggested we pop the drones they left at the gate to keep their aggro timer from expiring. He popped one drone, supposedly renewing the 15minute timer he said. The neutral targets logged off within a few minutes. Then another drone was popped from each player, and we had a covert ops ship on the scene to drop probes. Sure enough, after popping one more drone from each ship, far more than 15minutes later the players who logged off were probed out and shot down. Now I ask, is this considered an exploit? Or simply a clever usage of game mechanics to neutralize a threat? In my personal opinion it serves as the former and not the latter. I was the Typhoon pilot and yes this seems as an exploit.
Riethe Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.12.30 07:47:00 - [5] The exploit is on the part of the people that think they can just go safe spot and log off to avoid danger. If popping drones to achieve aggression on these players is also an exploit, you can just consider it even.
Tanksmann	Posted - 2007.12.30 07:49:00 - [6] We had them camped inside the system, with all the exit points blocked off. They could have jumped safespots all night or just gotten bored and logged off. I don't consider not sacrificing a ship an exploit.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.30 07:50:00 - [7] Even if that counts as an exploit... I don't feel the slightest bit sorry for the people who logged out and still lost their ships. If you're engaged in a fight... just fight it out ffs ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :)
Jei'son Bladesmith The Storm Knights The Cool Kids Club	Posted - 2007.12.30 07:52:00 - [8] Originally by: Chattel I was the Typhoon pilot and yes this seems as an exploit. Well of course it does to YOU lol Had you not logged we might be more sympathetic, but anyone who uses such a weak tactic deserves to get popped ☼☼☼ 12 Seconds ☼☼☼
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.12.30 07:58:00 - [9] Originally by: Tanksmann We had them camped inside the system, with all the exit points blocked off. They could have jumped safespots all night or just gotten bored and logged off. I don't consider not sacrificing a ship an exploit. So the counter is to try and somehow kill your own drones? hehe - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Helvynya	Posted - 2007.12.30 07:59:00 - [10] Originally by: Jei'son Bladesmith Originally by: Chattel I was the Typhoon pilot and yes this seems as an exploit. Well of course it does to YOU lol Had you not logged we might be more sympathetic, but anyone who uses such a weak tactic deserves to get popped Ok, I was one of the pilots in the 4 man gang and lost my ship in the initial fight. My two gang mates managed to get out. We had a mega, brutix, typhoon, and tempest vs like 10 battleship including some EWAR. Our tempest pilot jumped in, saw the huge gang about to blob us and flew back to the gate. On the other side WE ENGAGED a lone abaddon that jumped through to us for some reason while the rest of their gang still had jump aggro from the tempest. Like I said I lost my ship, and so did one of my gang mates. The other two managed to warp out after we went down and the fight was obviously lost. After concluding the enemy gang was going to camp them in until they either moved or logged, my gang mates chose to log. And then the whole drone killing thing happened. We didnt all just log when enemy gang came in, we shot back, the scorp jammed everyone and we said whatever we can't win.

Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.30 08:14:00 - [11] Originally by: techzer0 Even if that counts as an exploit... I don't feel the slightest bit sorry for the people who logged out and still lost their ships. If you're engaged in a fight... just fight it out ffs pretty much oh and EWAR!!!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.30 08:15:00 - [12] ITT: Managing to escape from a fight and then logging is as lame as logging during the fight. - DesuSigs
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.12.30 08:24:00 - [13] Originally by: Crumplecorn ITT: Managing to escape from a fight and then logging is as lame as logging during the fight. It's a weak way to escape if they've locked the system down. It's also pretty easy to escape once. If you feel like a challenge, try not logging immediately. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Last Hero Minmatar Wildlands Resources	Posted - 2007.12.30 08:33:00 - [14] Great post tanksmann but here is how the story goes for your sad little trip to gw. you engage then ran off congrats you save ur ships. you stayed in same ss for well a long time congrats on not being the brightest light of pvpers. then see the falcon that probed you out(again not smart for not looking for probes). was directly infront of you to prevent you from warping off or hope you didn't. he decloak while lets see 4 or 5 were now in system again with you. align to him hmmmmm. he decloaks hits you with ecm and all of you log off. so that puts more of a timer on you and you all die log back on in a station. they did not log they just left system while on of the hostiles who you couldn't scan for (cloaked) probed you down and killed you(bc you don't know how to scan for probes? maybe rens is a good place for you to can flip or something to get your pvp skills on). So please hush and take your loses like a real pvper bc see when you travel like you did your going to die. In GW or in any 0.0 stick to low sec or high sec you will be better off. Cry..............some more maybe the gms will replace your ships bc you fail at pvp.....
Kintaana Minmatar Trogdor Burninators FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2007.12.30 08:45:00 - [15] Edited by: Kintaana on 30/12/2007 08:46:26 Edited by: Kintaana on 30/12/2007 08:46:02 Nice story, except the "neutrals" engaged us and then ss'd and logged off to try to save their ships, then got probed. Thank you dead hostiles for such creative enthusiasm in writing this, come again, next time fit some faction so we can make some isk off the wrecks.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.12.30 08:49:00 - [16] Shouldn't be considered an exploit as there is a handy 'Abandon Drones' feature in the drone UI now that they could have used to avoid the extra aggo time.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.30 08:57:00 - [17] Originally by: Frug Originally by: Crumplecorn ITT: Managing to escape from a fight and then logging is as lame as logging during the fight. It's a weak way to escape if they've locked the system down. It's also pretty easy to escape once. If you feel like a challenge, try not logging immediately. Escaping? They could have just kept warping around to avoid being scanned down. No escape, no loss. Just boredom. Logging to avoid ship loss is one thing, logging to avoid boredom is another. - DesuSigs
xHoodx The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.12.30 09:06:00 - [18] I would say there is a bit of a difference between logging off after you've made your escape and simply logging off while in combat.... After they've made a successfull escape they could simply hop safespots all day to avoid capture. You wouldn't catch them anyway if you haven't already when the 15min inital aggro timer is up unless they make a huge mistake so why all that hate when they log off after the aggro timer runs out? You expect them to sit around in system until YOU get bored of camping them with your "blob"? Not directed at the OP this btw, more at some of the other ppl replying.
Kurt Xiaoping Wildlands Heavy Technologies FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2007.12.30 09:10:00 - [19] Well, Tanksmann is obviously one of the guys that got killed, as almost everything he writes is plain wrong. The Typhoon and Tempest managed to warp off, that is correct. They then stayed for much too long a time in one safespot (I do not think they even changed ss once), while our falcon probed them out, warped to their ss and crawled in front of them. He uncloaked, we began the long warp towards him, he put a point on the Tempest and jammed both, as he is not stupid and does not want to get killed by two battleships before the gang arrives. Then these two guys logoff. The Tempest stays on the scene, gets killed, the phoon emergency warps, gets probed out and killed, as do their pods. And now they complain on the forums about an exploit, in a not very cleverly disguised fashion. Just get over it, shut up and grow up.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.12.30 09:12:00 - [20] Edited by: Frug on 30/12/2007 09:14:07 Originally by: Crumplecorn Escaping? They could have just kept warping around to avoid being scanned down. No escape, no loss. Just boredom. Logging to avoid ship loss is one thing, logging to avoid boredom is another. And that is what they should have done for a little while. You can also get caught doing that, especially in a slow ship when the people hunting you know what they're doing. Instead they immediately logged, which is also known as being a pansy and a means of escaping combat, not boredom. Which is entirely legitimate of course. It's legitimate to -try- it. But if it fails, well. Heh. Awww. Not much sympathy here. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles

xHoodx The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.12.30 09:13:00 - [21] Aha :) Good thing you got them in that case.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.30 09:14:00 - [22] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Frug Originally by: Crumplecorn ITT: Managing to escape from a fight and then logging is as lame as logging during the fight. It's a weak way to escape if they've locked the system down. It's also pretty easy to escape once. If you feel like a challenge, try not logging immediately. Escaping? They could have just kept warping around to avoid being scanned down. No escape, no loss. Just boredom. Logging to avoid ship loss is one thing, logging to avoid boredom is another. Crumplecorn, care to explain what ITT mean to the unenlighten? I don't get your initial argument as you seen to reverse it in the successive comment.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.12.30 09:15:00 - [23] Originally by: Venkul Mul Crumplecorn, care to explain what ITT mean to the unenlighten? I don't get your initial argument as you seen to reverse it in the successive comment. ITT = in this thread. He was being sarcastic. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.30 09:58:00 - [24] Originally by: xHoodx I would say there is a bit of a difference between logging off after you've made your escape and simply logging off while in combat.... No one logs off while in combat. If you log off while you're in combat, you die. It's only if you log off right before combat that you have a chance to save yourself.
Kintaana Minmatar Trogdor Burninators FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2007.12.30 10:01:00 - [25] Originally by: xHoodx Aha :) Good thing you got them in that case. No survivors
Dromidas Shadowmoon Minmatar Storm Legion	Posted - 2007.12.30 10:52:00 - [26] I would assume this works, otherwise it's broken. Right Click -> Abandon Drones before you logoffski _______________________________________________ Minmatar will always go faster than you, get over it.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.30 10:58:00 - [27] Originally by: Frug Originally by: Venkul Mul Crumplecorn, care to explain what ITT mean to the unenlighten? I don't get your initial argument as you seen to reverse it in the successive comment. ITT = in this thread. He was being sarcastic. No problem with that, it is only that I am of the "wrong" generation and still learning the slang. Ty for the clarification.
xHoodx The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.12.30 21:54:00 - [28] Edited by: xHoodx on 30/12/2007 21:54:49 Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: xHoodx I would say there is a bit of a difference between logging off after you've made your escape and simply logging off while in combat.... No one logs off while in combat. If you log off while you're in combat, you die. It's only if you log off right before combat that you have a chance to save yourself. Actually, some people do ;) Was merely lumping all logging before successfully making your escape into the same pile there tho.
Lord Revent	Posted - 2007.12.31 00:29:00 - [29] All of you are missing the point we logged off after being camped which i know all of you have experienced and then died. I don't even care that my ship was probed out and destroyed that part of pvp. The point is that there is a *** exploit that is in the game and people are using it to get cheep kills it needs to get fixed. If you are going to kill someone Do IT Legit.
Dahin Maza Nostra oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.12.31 00:36:00 - [30] Interesting I don't see how this is an exploit unless it's an exploit to get aggro only from shooting someones drones. If he's controlling them or not is not an issue. Unless ofc they start reimbursing people getting concordokkened in empire by accidentally shooting/smartying someone else's drones. It's not like wrecks that stay there no matter what. Why fly covops? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0WOIwlXE9g



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