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Bobbeh
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Posted - 2004.03.18 16:56:00 -
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I was wondering which ship people would think is better for general pvp use, ie. gate camping, small engagements. I have just over 3million skill points including engineering 5. I have the isk for either, just wanted to know which people would recommend.
Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |
Polux
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Posted - 2004.03.18 17:15:00 -
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Bobbeh my friend :) I personaly was dissapointed when I got my Raven and after few weeks of been in trouble about this I just did my self the favor of getting ridd of ot and getting a Scorpion back.
The Raven is allot better ship but needs good skills to operate proberly. I would go Scorpion.
I would recomend sticking with your Typhoon :) think the 1400mm would do alot better in gate camping then missles.
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2004.03.18 17:37:00 -
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typhoon is a top ship
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Lord Armagon
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Posted - 2004.03.18 18:49:00 -
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I bought a raven after flying a scorp for a short time.
I have close to 5mil sp focused in pvp only. I found out that im about 40days training short to fit the raven good. the raven (i supose all tier 2 battleships) need good skills to fit it well.
I will park my raven for a bout 40 days and fly a scorp until im done and able to fit it.
Then, im going to love the raven =))
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.03.18 19:03:00 -
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The Raven is overall much better for PVP (but they are both very very useful PVP ships). Indeed it is the best small engagement PVP ship in the game, just stay away from it in fleet combat if you can.
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Bobbeh
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Posted - 2004.03.18 19:10:00 -
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anyone else
Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.18 19:13:00 -
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If you want something that's good for gate-camping, either keep your Typhoon and use 800mm's or buy a Megathron.
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Synapse Archae
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Posted - 2004.03.18 20:44:00 -
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The scorp is a support ship, pure and simple. If youre with some other ships who cna dish it out, use a scorp, otherwise, camp with something that can deal its own dammage.
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Bobbeh
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Posted - 2004.03.18 21:02:00 -
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800's arent that good. really they arent. i dont want to stick with my typhoon, im fed up with it. Im still not sure which to choose.
Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |
Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.03.18 21:16:00 -
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Scorpion is a better ship overall. It's so much easier to equip a Scorpion than it is a Raven. Offensively the Scorpion is much weaker but it's much more versatile.
You need a lot of skills to make a good Raven setup, it's very difficult to get a good Raven setup, you have to deal with a lot of CPU issues, you pretty much need weapon upgrades 5 for this ship.
With a it's Scorpion is more or less impossible to run out of CPU, Electronics 5 gives you 937tf.
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Masochist
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Posted - 2004.03.18 21:27:00 -
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800's arent that good. really they arent. i dont want to stick with my typhoon, im fed up with it. Im still not sure which to choose.
Scorpion is an awesome ship. I'm on my third =). They work out well for gate camping and pvp in general, but you'll notice an annoying drop in speed and agility from your Typhoon. I'd recommend the Scorp if pvp is all you do. If you want to kill npcs and pvp then you're best bet is sticking with the Typhoon. Also if you pvp in fleets be prepared to get killed. People love to blow up Scorpions first. Never flown a Raven but the corp mates that do have mixed opinions. They're really expensive to maintain (the waste of missles), and like other people have mentioned they have serious CPU problems.
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Bobbeh
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Posted - 2004.03.18 22:03:00 -
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yer this is kind of making sense. but as i said i do not want to keep typhoon lol. I will prolly go for the scorp for the time being at least. Thanks to everyone who has posted so far, still would like anyone elses thoughts.
Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking. |
Seventh Son
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Posted - 2004.03.18 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: Seventh Son on 18/03/2004 23:58:21
IF your going pvp and you dont have the skills necessary to make the raven all you will need it to be go with the Scorpion. Even if you believe you might but there may be small chance you dont, go with the Scorpion. The Scorpion though most noted as a support ship is a fantastic pvp ship and you can do pretty much anything you want with it. Though not over whelming in fire power, its other modules make up for that lacking. Just view the Raven more as a small group heavy hitter. Its made for one thing and its easy to guess what.
So to answer your question, as long as your not fighting other scorps and you get your configurations worked out the scorp will serve you well. Its the better of the two for what you are wanting.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.03.19 07:58:00 -
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Unless you plan to do EW, I would stick to the Typhoon. Despite the Scorpion having so many midslots, it comes with so many negatives that you will lose at least two slots to boost up both its speed and locking time to less than annoying levels.
Between the Scorp and the Raven, pick the Scorp, as the RAven is an annoying ship to configure, though the Raven remains a step above the Apoc in that regard.
The Typhoon is truly one of the sweetest ships in the game. I watched a PFOM Typhoon go head to head against a Dark Seraph Scorpion, while I parked my Apoc in a non intrusive audience viewing distance. It was a long fight that ended in a draw.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.03.19 08:00:00 -
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I like my Raven loadout. :)
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Lord Armagon
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Posted - 2004.03.19 08:40:00 -
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I like my Raven loadout. :)
NICE. Thats one setup that hurts to be shot down in. I would really like to see your med and low to. (ofcource i understand that you cant)
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.03.19 08:43:00 -
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I like my Raven loadout. :)
NICE. Thats one setup that hurts to be shot down in. I would really like to see your med and low to. (ofcource i understand that you cant)
1 XL C5-L, 1 EM 1 Thermal 1 Kinetic Ward, Warp Disruptor, Shield Boost Amp
1 TechII CPU, 4 Power Diagnostics (for when they nerf relays)
It's teh uber, and I don't use it. It's like a collectable. :)
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Lord Armagon
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Posted - 2004.03.19 09:24:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Armagon on 19/03/2004 09:32:35
I guess you would not attack 2bs alone in this ? Jaming and scrambling could verry fast be your bane. But from this setup i supose you mostly have backup from friends.
im trying to make a gurillia attack ship of the raven. Im playing with the ide of fiting:
Hige - 2x425, 6x siege
Med - 1 XL C5l, 1em, 1thermal, 1kinetic, (shield amp or signal booster or med slot grav backup array (+3) all depending on who, what and where)
Low - 2 techII backup array, 2 warp core stabs, (1 techII signal booster or power diag) It might be that i need a techII CPU to make this work when skills comes alonge.
In battle where i have support of other BS i would of corce not go like this.
Will i ever be able to fit something simelar to this you think Jim
EDIT::: Ah read about "its uber cloectable" That makes sence.
How would you fit a raven for pvp alone ?
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.03.19 09:35:00 -
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FOF Cruise o_O
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.03.19 11:17:00 -
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Edited by: Siddy on 19/03/2004 11:19:26
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I like my Raven loadout. :)
NICE. Thats one setup that hurts to be shot down in. I would really like to see your med and low to. (ofcource i understand that you cant)
1 XL C5-L, 1 EM 1 Thermal 1 Kinetic Ward, Warp Disruptor, Shield Boost Amp
1 TechII CPU, 4 Power Diagnostics (for when they nerf relays)
It's teh uber, and I don't use it. It's like a collectable. :)
u whuld be still wurnable to EW (FoFs are grate but still....)
espesialy if u fly that thing alone (pesky BB's)
(ofcorse u arent that stupid to fly it alone) 
but in gankk that thing totaly r0x0r 
chek out the sheer damage out put 
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Ezri Dax
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Posted - 2004.03.19 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: Ezri Dax on 19/03/2004 14:50:45
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I like my Raven loadout. :)
I love mine too, give her a kiss every night before going to bed ;)
Bobbeh, I would say a Scorpion is much more useful in most of the cases. For NPC missions, I can't stand the price of the missiles vs the reward even with my low prices corp. This is why I'm thinking about to get a Scorpion. ATM, I use 2 425 and 2 2x150 railguns for missions.
I really think Raven is more a pvp ship when only counts to get your target blown, no matter the price spent in ammo... ;)
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Polux
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Posted - 2004.03.19 15:16:00 -
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The scorp is a support ship, pure and simple.
Say what you like about the scorp as support ship. The Dominix is much better at it thoug.
Here is a fitting every should try on the dom.
High: 2 Large shield transporters, 2 Large Cap transporters, 2 heavy Energy neurtolizers (for the enemy )
Med: 1 Large shield booster, 2 or more remote sensor boosters. If you have 2 slots I would use for tracking links or sensor strength boosters,
Low: 7 Power diagnostics
Note that you need level 5 in every skill at making theys modules lose CPU need and you need all the CPU boost skills at level 5 to.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.03.19 15:58:00 -
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In a 2on2 your dominix would be of more use if it had weapons installed.
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.03.19 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 19/03/2004 20:07:18
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I like my Raven loadout. :)
NICE. Thats one setup that hurts to be shot down in. I would really like to see your med and low to. (ofcource i understand that you cant)
1 XL C5-L, 1 EM 1 Thermal 1 Kinetic Ward, Warp Disruptor, Shield Boost Amp
1 TechII CPU, 4 Power Diagnostics (for when they nerf relays)
It's teh uber, and I don't use it. It's like a collectable. :)
Heh you might be better served plugging the cap power relays back in. Unless I am wrong there will be a way to balance the cap power relays with another shield amp (to a certain extent), such that they will still be viable after the nerf.
Out of curiosity how useful do you actually find your 2 turrets to me. Just seems like a waste of cap for a minimal DOT increase.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.03.19 21:16:00 -
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Out of curiosity how useful do you actually find your 2 turrets to me. Just seems like a waste of cap for a minimal DOT increase.
They're carbide 425mm rails, they hit for 180-260 and only use 20 cap or less I think.
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BATT
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Posted - 2004.03.19 21:26:00 -
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nice set up Raynor..
But if you get ganked,you have no way out...pretty risky..
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.19 21:34:00 -
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I've been able to afford to buy a Raven to go alongside my Scorp/Megathron for quite a while now but, to be honest, I'd rather buy another Scorpion.
The damage output isn't that much lower than a Raven, it can tank a LOT more easily, is a lot cheaper to equip in order to acheive a great defense, and can also fit a myriad of roles.
Plus, people are less fearful of Scorpions nowadays compared to Ravens.
Which is good for Scorpion pilots.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.03.19 21:55:00 -
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nice set up Raynor..
But if you get ganked,you have no way out...pretty risky..
like i said, i don't use it =P
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Reptar
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Posted - 2004.03.19 22:32:00 -
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mmmmmm i love EW scorp all the way.
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Reptar
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Posted - 2004.03.19 22:32:00 -
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mmmmmm i love EW scorp all the way.
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