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ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2008.01.01 21:32:00 - [1] This is probably a silly question, but how do you check the temperature of your CPU under different loads? I know where to look in the BIOS, but CPUs don't tend to be working very hard when you're in BIOS so it's not really an accurate reading. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies	Posted - 2008.01.01 21:35:00 - [2] Try Core Temp, its free.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2008.01.01 21:43:00 - [3] Ta very much --------------------------------------------------------------------
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.01.01 21:49:00 - [4] Speedfan is another good program for this
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2008.01.01 21:56:00 - [5] OK once I have better cooling, how would I go about overclocking it? Is that done in BIOS? --------------------------------------------------------------------
RogueWing Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.01 22:01:00 - [6] Originally by: ReaperOfSly OK once I have better cooling, how would I go about overclocking it? Is that done in BIOS? Here's a pretty good guide: Overclocking Guide If goons are giving you "respect" on CAOD, you pretty much know what you just did was a pile of .
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2008.01.01 22:11:00 - [7] Originally by: RogueWing Originally by: ReaperOfSly OK once I have better cooling, how would I go about overclocking it? Is that done in BIOS? Here's a pretty good guide: Overclocking Guide Oh I think I'll forget about overclocking for now --------------------------------------------------------------------
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies	Posted - 2008.01.01 22:11:00 - [8] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Originally by: RogueWing Originally by: ReaperOfSly OK once I have better cooling, how would I go about overclocking it? Is that done in BIOS? Here's a pretty good guide: Overclocking Guide Oh I think I'll forget about overclocking for now Its really not that hard--only 20-30 seconds in the BIOS, and knowing how to reset it if you screw up.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2008.01.01 22:17:00 - [9] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: ReaperOfSly Originally by: RogueWing Originally by: ReaperOfSly OK once I have better cooling, how would I go about overclocking it? Is that done in BIOS? Here's a pretty good guide: Overclocking Guide Oh I think I'll forget about overclocking for now Its really not that hard--only 20-30 seconds in the BIOS, and knowing how to reset it if you screw up. Except apparently you can't do it unless you have one of the most expensive CPUs available. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies	Posted - 2008.01.01 22:18:00 - [10] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 01/01/2008 22:18:21 Originally by: ReaperOfSly Except apparently you can't do it unless you have one of the most expensive CPUs available. What are you talking about--its literally the opposite. The most expensive CPUs have the least room for overclocking, while the least expensive ones have the most room. Back in the day, a 1.6Ghz P4 Northwood overclocked to 3Ghz on air cooling, while a 3.2Ghz only went to 3.8.
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.01 22:23:00 - [11] Qft - My 2.4 Q6600 GO (core2quad) has been pushed to 4.2ghz on one occasion (never again ), wheras the new penryn cores at 3.0 / 3.2 only OC to 4.4. Also they cost about ú300 more. --- Latest Video : FAT- Camp
Stephen HB Mystical Knights Legionnaire Services Ltd.	Posted - 2008.01.01 22:26:00 - [12] I took the easy way out with overclocking. E6750, FSB 333>>400 MHz. VCore, what's that? ---------- Guide to character creation by Akita T
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 01/01/2008 22:18:21 Originally by: ReaperOfSly Except apparently you can't do it unless you have one of the most expensive CPUs available. What are you talking about--its literally the opposite. The most expensive CPUs have the least room for overclocking, while the least expensive ones have the most room. Back in the day, a 1.6Ghz P4 Northwood overclocked to 3Ghz on air cooling, while a 3.2Ghz only went to 3.8. I'm talking about this: CPU manufacturers will take measures to ensure that a processor runs at its intended speed by locking the multiplier. This fixes the multiplier setting, so it cannot be changed in the BIOS. This is done primarily to keep CPU ôre-markersö from selling cheaper parts as more expensive ones, but it also serves to thwart overclockers. But not every chip is locked. IntelÆs Extreme series of CPUs does not feature multiplier locking nor does AMDÆs FX series or some of its new Black Edition CPUs. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:09:00 - [14] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 01/01/2008 22:18:21 Originally by: ReaperOfSly Except apparently you can't do it unless you have one of the most expensive CPUs available. What are you talking about--its literally the opposite. The most expensive CPUs have the least room for overclocking, while the least expensive ones have the most room. Back in the day, a 1.6Ghz P4 Northwood overclocked to 3Ghz on air cooling, while a 3.2Ghz only went to 3.8. I'm talking about this: CPU manufacturers will take measures to ensure that a processor runs at its intended speed by locking the multiplier. This fixes the multiplier setting, so it cannot be changed in the BIOS. This is done primarily to keep CPU ôre-markersö from selling cheaper parts as more expensive ones, but it also serves to thwart overclockers. But not every chip is locked. IntelÆs Extreme series of CPUs does not feature multiplier locking nor does AMDÆs FX series or some of its new Black Edition CPUs. And? This is why almost all overclockers change the FSB speed, not the multiplier.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:56:00 - [15] What if my CPU FSB speed is already equal to my motherboard FSB speed? Need a new motherboard? --------------------------------------------------------------------
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies	Posted - 2008.01.02 00:32:00 - [16] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 02/01/2008 00:32:06 Originally by: ReaperOfSly What if my CPU FSB speed is already equal to my motherboard FSB speed? Need a new motherboard? What do you mean? The CPU FSB speed is always equal to the motherboard FSB speed. All you do is raise the FSB, while raising the voltage slightly to ensure stability. That's it.
Shalia Ripper Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.01.02 03:49:00 - [17] Maximum PC couldn't clock their way out of a wet paper bag. Anyway, Yeah, if the multi is locked, we just change the FSB. The important part about overclocking is if you have never done it before, go slow, take small steps and watch your temps under load. it is not just enough to boot up at your new overclocked speed, we still want stability as well. So most of us test with Prime95, Orthos, or OCCT. 8+ hours is usually considered stable. Core Temp is a good one, Speedfan is also OK, but can take some manual configuration to show the temps that are closer ro being correct. I have been using Rivatuner 2.06 with the core temp plugin so I can send the temps to the LCD on my G15.
MalVortex	Posted - 2008.01.02 04:08:00 - [18] The QX9650 kind of breaks the high end chips dont OC well at all trend...
Daelorn State War Academy	Posted - 2008.01.02 07:21:00 - [19] Watch out with CoreTemp though, I built my new PC a week ago put in core temp and it was reading at ~20c, it was possible to be that temp but I though it was wrong so I installed ASUS program for temp which came with the MoBo and it read at 30c, I resarted and my BIOS said my CPU was at 30c so CoreTemp was reading 10c too low. Today I also OC'ed my 2.66ghz processor to... 2.8! gasp for about 2 minutes, I need to take apart my new computer and clean up the wires with zipties and put the heatsink on the right way (Not facing the big exhaust fan on the top of my Antec ) I think I put on a little too much AS5 too
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.01.02 07:31:00 - [20] Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 02/01/2008 07:31:36 Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 02/01/2008 00:32:06 Originally by: ReaperOfSly What if my CPU FSB speed is already equal to my motherboard FSB speed? Need a new motherboard? What do you mean? The CPU FSB speed is always equal to the motherboard FSB speed. All you do is raise the FSB, while raising the voltage slightly to ensure stability. That's it. My opinion of you has dropped a notch Dark Shikari. Doubtless you could not care less but about my opinion but I am still surprised. Overclocking a PC is part art and part science. As you raise the FSB you impact the CPU as well as memory. Good motherboards will allow you to decouple (I forget the proper term) the two so you can adjust the FSB separately between the two. Further...you can alter memory timings versus clock speed. Sometimes a faster clock is better than faster timings in the memory and sometimes vice-versa (although personally I think tighter timings are better). Then add in pushing voltages up and down. Can get rather fiddly hence the "art" of it all. Bottom line is it can be a fair bit of work to massage your system into max performance and is not a matter of merely buffing your FSB (at least if you want to do it well).
Eck Hauler X.S. Industries	Posted - 2008.01.02 11:14:00 - [21] Edited by: Eck Hauler on 02/01/2008 11:16:10 Im with DS I have a E6300, a very cheap core2duo, which was very easily overclocked up to 3.25Ghz using air (started at 1.86Ghz), the memory speed is locked at 2:1 so thats overclocked to 924Mhz (Recommended is 800) Been running like this since I got it over a year ago, all by just upping the FSB and voltages Oh, and the memory timings are locked at 5-5-5-12
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies	Posted - 2008.01.02 14:19:00 - [22] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: ReaperOfSly What if my CPU FSB speed is already equal to my motherboard FSB speed? Need a new motherboard? What do you mean? The CPU FSB speed is always equal to the motherboard FSB speed. All you do is raise the FSB, while raising the voltage slightly to ensure stability. That's it. My opinion of you has dropped a notch Dark Shikari. Doubtless you could not care less but about my opinion but I am still surprised. Overclocking a PC is part art and part science. As you raise the FSB you impact the CPU as well as memory. Good motherboards will allow you to decouple (I forget the proper term) the two so you can adjust the FSB separately between the two. Further...you can alter memory timings versus clock speed. Sometimes a faster clock is better than faster timings in the memory and sometimes vice-versa (although personally I think tighter timings are better). Then add in pushing voltages up and down. Can get rather fiddly hence the "art" of it all. Bottom line is it can be a fair bit of work to massage your system into max performance and is not a matter of merely buffing your FSB (at least if you want to do it well). The more you want out of your system, the more you need to know about overclocking. But if all you want is to bump your CPU up a notch, I am 100% correct--you don't need to care about memory voltages, memory timings, etc. I used to overclock basically as a sole hobby and I can say for sure if you run around telling O/C newbies ridiculously complex things that they don't have to know (before they even get started!), you're just going to make them less likely to even try.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2008.01.02 14:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: ReaperOfSly What if my CPU FSB speed is already equal to my motherboard FSB speed? Need a new motherboard? What do you mean? The CPU FSB speed is always equal to the motherboard FSB speed. All you do is raise the FSB, while raising the voltage slightly to ensure stability. That's it. My opinion of you has dropped a notch Dark Shikari. Doubtless you could not care less but about my opinion but I am still surprised. Overclocking a PC is part art and part science. As you raise the FSB you impact the CPU as well as memory. Good motherboards will allow you to decouple (I forget the proper term) the two so you can adjust the FSB separately between the two. Further...you can alter memory timings versus clock speed. Sometimes a faster clock is better than faster timings in the memory and sometimes vice-versa (although personally I think tighter timings are better). Then add in pushing voltages up and down. Can get rather fiddly hence the "art" of it all. Bottom line is it can be a fair bit of work to massage your system into max performance and is not a matter of merely buffing your FSB (at least if you want to do it well). The more you want out of your system, the more you need to know about overclocking. But if all you want is to bump your CPU up a notch, I am 100% correct--you don't need to care about memory voltages, memory timings, etc. I used to overclock basically as a sole hobby and I can say for sure if you run around telling O/C newbies ridiculously complex things that they don't have to know (before they even get started!), you're just going to make them less likely to even try. Case in point right here! --------------------------------------------------------------------

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