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Xzanos Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:42:00 - [1] for pvp is the tempest really that much better than the maelstrom? i mean its tank dosent even hold a candle to the maely and the dps is not really drasticly better what am i not seeing Mess with the best.....Die like the rest.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:56:00 - [2] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 01/01/2008 23:55:55 A few things: 1. It's got pure on gank bonuses. 2. It's an armor tanker (which leaves your mids free for utility). 3. It's faster. 4. It's more agile. 5. It's much cheaper. You want more? ;-) -Liang Ed: Turned out to be more than two I suppose. -- Originally by: "QProQ" When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
Xzanos Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:59:00 - [3] just because it is cheaper does not make it a better ship yes it has pure gank bonuses but the mael has 8 turret slots but anyways if you know so much about the tempest how about a settup Mess with the best.....Die like the rest.
Triath Lon Keepers of Balance Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.02 00:09:00 - [4] Edited by: Triath Lon on 02/01/2008 00:15:08 Tempest Setup? It didn't change for who knows how long: HIGHs: 1400 Arty, Med Rem Armor Repper MIDs: MWD, 2x Sensor Booster, 2x Tracking Comp LOWs: 3x Gyrostab, DCU II, Tracking Enhancer II, RCU II ________ Sig will, eventually, appear here.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.02 00:10:00 - [5] Tempest 6x D650 AC II (Barrage), Heavy Unstable Neut, Heavy Dim Nos 100mn MWD II, SS/Warp Disruptor II, TS/Fleeting Web, Heavy Cap Booster II (800's), ECCM 2x LAR II, EANM II, DC II, 2x Gyro II ACR I, 2x Aux Nano Pump 5x Hammerhead II, 5x Hobgoblin II Rigs to suit, of course... but it should be enough to get you started. -Liang -- Originally by: "QProQ" When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.02 00:16:00 - [6] Of course, interestingly, a plated Tempest is still both more agile and 100m/sec faster than a Maelstrom. The Maelstrom really is a brick of a ship. Tempest 6x 800mm AC II, 2x Cruise II 100mn MWD II, Warp Disruptor II, Fleeting/Web II, Hvy Cap Booster II (800's), ECCM 1600 RT, 2x EANM, DC II, 2x Gyro II 3x Trimarks / 2x Trimarks, 1x Ambit 5x Hammer II, 5x Hob II -Liang -- Originally by: "QProQ" When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
Xzanos Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.01.02 00:24:00 - [7] what are trimarks Mess with the best.....Die like the rest.
Triath Lon Keepers of Balance Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.02 00:28:00 - [8] Originally by: Xzanos what are trimarks Trimarks are rigs... they give you more armor. ________ Sig will, eventually, appear here.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.02 00:28:00 - [9] Originally by: Xzanos what are trimarks They're a rig. They increase your armor hitpoints. -- Originally by: "QProQ" When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
Lrrp Minmatar Gallente Mercantile Exchange Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2008.01.02 00:28:00 - [10] One thing to take into consideration is how you are going to use it. If in a fleet action, all BS's should have one remote rep on them and then rep whatever Bs is taking damage. Under these conditions you may consider fitting more for gank and less tank. Then again if lag is bad, you will prolly die no matter how you are fit.
Xzanos Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.01.02 00:33:00 - [11] Originally by: Lrrp If in a fleet action, all BS's should have one remote rep good idea. Mess with the best.....Die like the rest.
Triath Lon Keepers of Balance Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.02 00:34:00 - [12] Originally by: Lrrp One thing to take into consideration is how you are going to use it. If in a fleet action... He's clearly talking about solo/small gang close setups. There isn't even a question about Tempest vs Maelstrom as fleet sniper. ________ Sig will, eventually, appear here.
Xzanos Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.01.02 00:38:00 - [13] haha everyone knows that though lol Mess with the best.....Die like the rest.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.01.02 01:04:00 - [14] The mael and tempest are two different ships... tempest-dps pumping ship with a rather weak armor tank but has 5 mids to play around with. maelstrom-heavy shield tanker with near the same dps,however it cannot tackle without owning its own tank....Not to mention it has to take all its highs to do that dps whereas the tempest has 2 free highs. Signature removed. Contains no Eve content. Navigator ([email protected])
Xzanos Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.01.02 01:21:00 - [15] the mael can fit a 600ish dps tank and a warp scrambler and run it 24/7 with no cap boosters Mess with the best.....Die like the rest.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.02 01:32:00 - [16] Originally by: Xzanos the mael can fit a 600ish dps tank and a warp scrambler and run it 24/7 with no cap boosters I'm lazy. Post setup. -Liang -- Originally by: "QProQ" When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.01.02 01:34:00 - [17] Originally by: Xzanos the mael can fit a 600ish dps tank and a warp scrambler and run it 24/7 with no cap boosters Thats great,what about a web/mwd/cap booster aswell?2 slot shield tank 4tw. This is the thing,the tempest can have all those aswell as a sensor booster,the tradeoff however is the weaker tank. Signature removed. Contains no Eve content. Navigator ([email protected])
Xzanos Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.01.02 01:45:00 - [18] a far far much weaker tank and i was just staiting that it can prevent someone from warping away Mess with the best.....Die like the rest.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.01.02 01:48:00 - [19] Edited by: goodby4u on 02/01/2008 01:52:00 Edited by: goodby4u on 02/01/2008 01:49:08 Originally by: Xzanos a far far much weaker tank and i was just staiting that it can prevent someone from warping away highs:6x 650 IIs 1x dim nos 1x remote rep. Mids:1x mwd 1x t2 disruptor 1x fleeting web 1x electrochem cap booster 1x sensor booster. Lows:2x large rep IIs 1x damage control II 1x eanm II 1x expl hardener II 1x gyro II. 3x auxilery rigs. Tanks 593 dps whilst not using the mwd or remote rep,deals 800 dps. Given i dont fly this boat so somebody could probably produce a far better setup,but this gives you an idea. Now if you use the maelstrom with a shield tanking setup with cap boosters and no tackle,you can tank near 1k dps but you forfeit your ability to dictate range and get out of sticky situations,aswell as tackle your enemies. Signature removed. Contains no Eve content. Navigator ([email protected])
Xzanos Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.01.02 01:59:00 - [20] this may be a dumb question but what is the point of sensor boosting on a close range ship Mess with the best.....Die like the rest.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.02 02:03:00 - [21] Originally by: Xzanos this may be a dumb question but what is the point of sensor boosting on a close range ship Lock time, mostly. Or to make sure you don't get damped out of your weapons range. But the Tempest isn't a megathron and shouldn't be flown as one either. -Liang -- Originally by: "QProQ" When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
Xzanos Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.01.02 02:07:00 - [22] are you saying that it should be used only for long range engagements? Mess with the best.....Die like the rest.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.02 02:09:00 - [23] Originally by: Xzanos are you saying that it should be used only for long range engagements? No. -- Originally by: "QProQ" When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
Xzanos Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.01.02 02:10:00 - [24] what would be a good alternitave to the sensor booster Mess with the best.....Die like the rest.
3nkil The Chocolate Factory	Posted - 2008.01.02 02:18:00 - [25] Originally by: goodby4u Edited by: goodby4u on 02/01/2008 01:52:00 Edited by: goodby4u on 02/01/2008 01:49:08 Originally by: Xzanos a far far much weaker tank and i was just staiting that it can prevent someone from warping away highs:6x 650 IIs 1x dim nos 1x remote rep. Mids:1x mwd 1x t2 disruptor 1x fleeting web 1x electrochem cap booster 1x sensor booster. Lows:2x large rep IIs 1x damage control II 1x eanm II 1x expl hardener II 1x gyro II. 3x auxilery rigs. Tanks 593 dps whilst not using the mwd or remote rep,deals 800 dps. Given i dont fly this boat so somebody could probably produce a far better setup,but this gives you an idea. Now if you use the maelstrom with a shield tanking setup with cap boosters and no tackle,you can tank near 1k dps but you forfeit your ability to dictate range and get out of sticky situations,aswell as tackle your enemies. Getting 800 dps out of a tempest while running a big tank like that is not possible unless you have maxed skills and an implant or two. That being said I think the tempest is really about gank + plate and staying on the edge of webrange.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.01.02 02:23:00 - [26] Originally by: 3nkil Originally by: goodby4u Edited by: goodby4u on 02/01/2008 01:52:00 Edited by: goodby4u on 02/01/2008 01:49:08 Originally by: Xzanos a far far much weaker tank and i was just staiting that it can prevent someone from warping away highs:6x 650 IIs 1x dim nos 1x remote rep. Mids:1x mwd 1x t2 disruptor 1x fleeting web 1x electrochem cap booster 1x sensor booster. Lows:2x large rep IIs 1x damage control II 1x eanm II 1x expl hardener II 1x gyro II. 3x auxilery rigs. Tanks 593 dps whilst not using the mwd or remote rep,deals 800 dps. Given i dont fly this boat so somebody could probably produce a far better setup,but this gives you an idea. Now if you use the maelstrom with a shield tanking setup with cap boosters and no tackle,you can tank near 1k dps but you forfeit your ability to dictate range and get out of sticky situations,aswell as tackle your enemies. Getting 800 dps out of a tempest while running a big tank like that is not possible unless you have maxed skills and an implant or two. That being said I think the tempest is really about gank + plate and staying on the edge of webrange. Maxed no implants. Signature removed. Contains no Eve content. Navigator ([email protected])
Xzanos Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.01.02 02:26:00 - [27] with my skills i could get a 460 dps tank and do 406 dps (with only t1 guns) and how affectave are target panters Mess with the best.....Die like the rest.
3nkil The Chocolate Factory	Posted - 2008.01.02 02:28:00 - [28] Edited by: 3nkil on 02/01/2008 02:28:35 yah which is why i said maxed skills? just pointing out that your average pilot (who reads the forums and needs help with ship setups) will really not be getting anything over 600dps with the huge tank.
Yakov Draken Minmatar Tides Of War	Posted - 2008.01.02 02:28:00 - [29] Originally by: goodby4u highs:6x 650 IIs 1x dim nos 1x remote rep. Mids:1x mwd 1x t2 disruptor 1x fleeting web 1x electrochem cap booster 1x sensor booster. Lows:2x large rep IIs 1x damage control II 1x eanm II 1x expl hardener II 1x gyro II. 3x auxilery rigs. Tanks 593 dps whilst not using the mwd or remote rep,deals 800 dps. Given i dont fly this boat so somebody could probably produce a far better setup,but this gives you an idea. Now if you use the maelstrom with a shield tanking setup with cap boosters and no tackle,you can tank near 1k dps but you forfeit your ability to dictate range and get out of sticky situations,aswell as tackle your enemies. I fly a Tempest in low sec and your setup looks about right though you want a heavy neut not a nos (say "capless tackler"), plus you get a nice boost to tank by replacing a aux nano-bot with a nano-bot accelerator. If you don't fight alot of ships that use explosive damage then fit 2x EANM's II's and drop the explosive hardener. The 5th mid slot is pretty sucky but the Tempest does the job. A Maelstrom out tank/ganks a Tempest by along way but then it doesn't have the utility high slots or a web. Where the Tempest suffers is in comparision to a Mega. I think the Tempest could have 100m3 band width and 150m3 drone bay but a Mega would still be better. I have Mega-envy. I used to have Myrma-envy too but they nerfed it.
3nkil The Chocolate Factory	Posted - 2008.01.02 02:38:00 - [30] dual web is the way to go :)

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