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BraveBraveSirRobin
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Posted - 2008.01.02 00:10:00 -
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Hi guys, new player here ( i love the game )
What I was wondering, is there a way to swap mining lasers to turrets or launchers while NOT in a station.
I've been reading Halada's Complete mining guide, and it struck me that he mentioned mining in 0.0 sec zones without any offensive means...at all (tanking ). I mean ok you can survive, but you can't get rid of em ???
Or am i just to noob to understand all this ^^
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Jovoich
Towers Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.02 00:21:00 -
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A Hulk can mine in 0.0 fine by its self. People use drones to pop the rats, Or have help either in the form of a dedicated guard or if your just shout in local. Solong as there arn't and hostile there.
Yes you can change fittings while inspace by using -
- POS
- Carrier
- Mothership
I don't believe any of these will be any good to you :P.
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Kessiaan
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Posted - 2008.01.02 00:23:00 -
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I wouldn't worry about 0.0 mining right now, although it's safe to say that you won't be mining there alone. Even if you're the only one actually mining your corp/alliance mates will still be around.
As for your question, no you can't refit your ship in space except at a POS (player owned station). Once you get past mining frigs though, you'll be in ships that can defend themselves against NPC rats without many problems.
Both of the mining cruisers (Osprey and Scythe) have drone bays and launcher hardpoints. Put light scout drones (I'd suggest Hobgoblins) in the drone bay and assault launchers on the launcher hardpoints and you won't have any problems.
In the mining barge category, the Retriever can has enough space for a full group of light scout drones and no highsec rats out there can stand up to 5 Hobgoblins for more than a few seconds. The Coveter can fit a full group of Hammerheads, or a full group of mining drones and Hobgoblins for mining in safer areas. For risky lowsec mining ops the Coveter is usually your best bet as normal system belt rats will still attack you even if you're mining offgrid in an exploration site (the ONLY lowsec mining I recommend as the belts are routinely patrolled by pirates and taking proper precautions to avoid getting blown up will cost you so much time you'll actually make more ISK mining in any decent highsec system. You still need to be careful though, but that's outside the scope of this post)
The Hulk has an extremely tough tank if fitted correctly, and can also carry 5 Hammerheads. T2 medium scout drones along with a strong tank can kill 0.0 rats, though it takes a long time. Due to its very high cost though I really can't recommend mining in lowsec with a Hulk. Friendly 0.0 space is another story though, since, like I said earlier, you should still have your friends to help you out. You'll still need to take basic precautions though such as safespotting or going back to the POS when a hostile enters the system, staying aligned to warp out quickly, etc.
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Posted - 2008.01.02 00:58:00 -
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ys train up some drones skills :)
use combat drones to protect yourself.
but be careful.
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Tzar'rim
Minmatar
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.01.02 01:06:00 -
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For self protection drones are the way to go (as stated earlier). Thing is that you have understand that EVE is a teamgame, you CAN solo but working in a group will net you better results and you'll see more of EVE.
I tend to prey on solo miners in high sec atm since my SP is rather limited and I don't want to lose my implants hehe, the thing is people lose their ore/ships to me because they don't know the game simply because they couldn't be bothered to learn. Anyone who knows the tricks and has some decent droneskills I can't take. If they have more people working together (not meaning more solo miners) I can't take them. If they're SMART about what they do and don't do, I can't take them.
The lesson in this all is that to do well in EVE you're best off to learn quickly and to work in a team. Not surprisingly, you also learn the best/quickest in a good team. In other words stop thinking EVE is a solo game and join a proper corp :) EVE-University comes to mind, they help out new players learn about the game, they're highly recommended.
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BraveBraveSirRobin
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Posted - 2008.01.02 11:22:00 -
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Well, i am in a "proper" corp, and they are giving me lots of help and advice.
but because it is a rather small corp ( mostly irl friends) there are situations where i am the only one online ( and still want to make isk).
Ye, right after posting i concluded myself that drones would be the way to go to defend myself vs npc and player pirates.
I thank all of you for the advice, tips and pointers.
Great Community ^^
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Tzar'rim
Minmatar
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.01.02 11:25:00 -
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Just a word of caution, the fact that you HAVE weapons to retaliate against players (drones) doesn't automatically mean it's a smart idea to do so...
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Shanur
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.01.02 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Shanur on 02/01/2008 16:10:00
 Originally by: Tzar'rim
Edited by: Tzar''rim on 02/01/2008 11:27:38
Just a word of caution, the fact that you HAVE weapons to retaliate against players (drones) doesn't automatically mean it's a smart idea to do so...
Also, if you're in a really small corp with people who aren't online when you are (most of the time) I wouldn't copnsider calling that a proper corp. It might be a fun corp but you are better off being in an active one with lots of people who have some good knowledge on the game, not saying you should switch or anything but just stating.
I have to agree with that. While they may be the nicest people to play with, you have to realize that EVE, as a whole, isn't nice and while the community is a great mature and helpful one, when push comes to shove, they will play hardball. It's only a matter of time before any corp in game, no matter how benign, asual, dedicated, well established or what not has to deal with its first war dec. Once that happens, many of them break up with its members complaining on the forums about the one sidedness of them after moving on to other corps that did survive their first dec (and then realizing how silly they were to flame what is in fact the Darwin approach to player guilds).
While i certainly do not want to talk bad of your or your corp, the chance is great that a small casual corp, unless they specialize in things like guerilla forrays into low sec or anti piracy, will get obliterated by its first dec. Keep that in mind. Keeping a corp going in EVE involves a lot more than keeping a guild in another game populated. Being friendly towards new blood is only part of what they have to do. Doing most things together and always having an armed response ready when there is adversity is another.
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Protoracknis
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Posted - 2008.01.04 10:37:00 -
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You can swap out in space, but you must have the item fitted in a slot already. I dont have enough power yet to run miner II's and a salvager all at once but I fit them on my catylist and put one or the other "offline". To switch over in the field you have to have your capacitor at 95%, so it is by no means something you can use in a dangerous tactical situation. But you can mine a few rocks and blast a few rats then switch over and salvage everything before you leave.
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Max Godsnottlingson
Amarr
Freelancing Corp
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2008.01.04 11:01:00 -
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Edited by: Max Godsnottlingson on 04/01/2008 11:02:39
If you are looking to solo mine in low sec, your best defence against other players is to
Find a quiet off the main route systems with lots of belts, idealy a large system that takes time to warp accross.
Never, ever mine the top or bottom belts, and if there are enough belts, don't mine the top or bottom two
Stay alligned to the station, POS or safe spot.
As soon as anybody you don't know to be friendly comes in system run for said Station, POS or safe spot and hide.
Any miner caught at a belt by player pirates will die, plain and simple, so the trick is not to get caught in the first place.
Just use the drones for killing off the NPC's don't even think of trying to use them against a player
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Jovoich
Towers Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.04 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Protoracknis
You can swap out in space, but you must have the item fitted in a slot already. I dont have enough power yet to run miner II's and a salvager all at once but I fit them on my catylist and put one or the other "offline". To switch over in the field you have to have your capacitor at 95%, so it is by no means something you can use in a dangerous tactical situation. But you can mine a few rocks and blast a few rats then switch over and salvage everything before you leave.
go back to sleep, you don't know what your talking about.
As I've ready said the only way to swap fittings in space are -
- POS
- Mothership
- Carrier
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Gartel Reiman
Project F3
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Posted - 2008.01.04 19:50:00 -
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To be fair he does, it's just his terminology is a little mixed up. While you cannot actually swap modules out in space (so you're right that this terminology shouldn't have been used), you can online modules in space that were offline when you docked. This won't let you use more than your total number of slots for all different options, but it will let you fit situational modules that you cannot bring online at the same time as your 'main' fitting; and then turn off bits of your main fitting in order to activate the other module(s).
As noted, in the original post, salvagers are a good example of this. Expanded cargoholds might be too, if they took any fitting at all... 
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Protoracknis
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Posted - 2008.01.05 02:38:00 -
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I've been ticketed by the Eve definition police!
:)
I had hoped the rest of the statement made it clear that it was not swapping in the sense of being able to remove and replace fittings. Just a way to squeeze a little more use from the pitiful lvl 1 ship power.
If you "offline" the expanded cargo holds, you regain the speed they make you lose.
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