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Hanse Davion
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Posted - 2003.06.11 09:20:00 -
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I have read a lot of post on these two Pirate Corps and I don't see what the hype is.
With advanced clones and ship insurance them killing you and podding you is nothing more then a annoyance. They are not the real problem the game mechanics are and the fact that they know them better then most.
It's all about the right equipment and skills, nothing more. With the right NPC Market items and skills you to can be a pirate like them.
Couple hints to reduce the fear of PC Pirates.
1) Try counting your actual skill points, I got 57 skills all at lvl3 and above. Guess what I only need a B- Clone, like 36K or so. Not the million isk A+
2) Ship insurance, hell I don't know much about it but it don't seem worth it to me. Why because my experiences with it lead me to believe that you are insured for the mineral cost (at NPC mineral prices) of the ship. Which sucks because I paid 400K for my Merlin and max coverage on it gets me back like 160K. Guess what it cost about 159K to build one, good think I have the BP for it.
3) Read your skill, ship, and module bonuses. Just because the item is a rare drop doesn't mean that it better then the same item from Market. Those bonuses stack on some items and on others they don't. Equip them and do show info on items to see what changed. I bet you if any M0o people are willing to talk about it they will agree. You all just don't know how to equip your ship so they beat you.
4) TEAMWORK, TEAMWORK, TEAMWORK. Everyone body wants a damned Cruiser, no one wants to fly a frigate. Hello, cruiser without frigate escort is a dead cruiser. Can you say NPC Cruisers? Most of you don't equip your crusier much better then NPC pirates so exspect to last as long as one without a couple frigates to back you up.
Ok enough ranting, well maybe just a little more... Where are all you bounty hunters at? I put a call out 2 days ago on the bounty channel and guess what, the only people that responded was M0o....LOL So if they take over the game it's your own damn fault for not being able to team up and kill them. Hell I'm sorry now that I didn't start a pirate corp because they the only people having any fun.
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Hanse Davion
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Posted - 2003.06.11 09:32:00 -
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You know what, I'm not finished. The slot issue is a issue, why because if we had access to slots people would go into the outer regions. Bottom line CCP screwed up by not addressing this issue sooner. Even if they fix it in the next patch, it's to late the damage is done.
An BPs, damn I make more money selling copies of BPs then I do making the items BP is for. Everyone wants to build thier own stuff, so everyone is mining, everyone is building so there is no economy to speak of.
Oh and my favorite, strip mining Scordite. Got to love it, I see Indy ships afk mining, cruiser with 4 mining lasers. Alls stripping the hell out of the high sec systems. Hell with a basic shield booster you can afk mine in a .7 system. Your shield recharges faster then the pirates can knock it down.
Weapons are a joke, Medium Hybrids are so bad that I got Small 150mm Hybrids on my cruiser. I can kill quicker and cheaper, especially since I can buy all the rare ammo BPs off market for small ammo, but not the med and large stuff. An let's not talk about lasers, I will leave that to someone from M0o that is feeling like explaining module bonuses to you.
Anyway thank you for listening to my rant I will finish my drink and go to bed now.
2005.01.21 05:09:06combatYour Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Priest, wrecking for 533.1 damage. |
Solomani il Xafra
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Posted - 2003.06.11 09:42:00 -
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Whats the free slot problem? Thanks.
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Ruulex DeMors
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Posted - 2003.06.11 09:46:00 -
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Dang Hanse and I thought this was gonna be another m0o gripe thread...I agree completely with most all of your statements.
But as to no economy, well the game is in its early stages. When UO opened up Lake Austin (new server for you non-UO ppl out there), it had no economy because everyone was building up. Same with EVE, just EVE takes a lot long than UO to get build up.
Nice rant though ;)
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Ruulex DeMors
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Posted - 2003.06.11 09:49:00 -
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Solomani, the free slot problem is that some players buy up hundreds of slots and apparently don't use them or whatever. As a result, there is a very short supply of research/factory slots to rent at stations and you need them to do research and build ships and stuff.
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Wyke DeRainger
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Posted - 2003.06.11 11:33:00 -
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What the problem is Hansa, is simply that decent clones are expensive. In high secure areas most players are still trying to establish themselves and don't have the funds to invest in good clones. Fine, you just stay in secure areas and work until you can afford a good clone before you venture out into the bad lands. But! Then you have to hope that the safe areas are safe from PvP players who can't and refuse to accept game conventions
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Lymm
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Posted - 2003.06.11 11:45:00 -
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Hanse.. I wont make fun of your name being a rip off from Battletech. I wont flame any of your points, particuarly as they are all good sense anyway.
BUT! The next time you include the name of my crew "The Gang" and "Moo" in the same topic Im gona have to hunt you down and do foul things to you with a freshwater fish. As Im sure you dont want that to happen to you please refrain from lumping us in with that bunch of pre-pubescent meat puppets.
Heed my advice and avoid your trouting today!
Lymm
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Mitchman
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Posted - 2003.06.11 11:54:00 -
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About point 4. That is so not true. I mean, I don't have a problem with 4-6 NPC cruisers alone, just me in my Moa. Just use proper tactics and it's not that hard.
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Temerlyn
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Posted - 2003.06.11 12:04:00 -
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Aye i find 3 cruiser NPC's easier than 1 Cruiser and 5 frigates some days.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.06.11 12:46:00 -
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Lymm, you didnt read did you?
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REDDNEKK
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Posted - 2003.06.11 15:37:00 -
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Dream, Seeing as how Lymm declined to comment on the origin of Hanses name, and also declined to comment on the points Hanse made, Id say the answer to your question was a resounding yes.
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Edited by: REDDNEKK on 11/06/2003 16:12:49
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Bon Hedus
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Posted - 2003.06.11 16:03:00 -
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It is good to see competent pirates in the game instead of children. *Salutes The Gang* Good to see you guys here causing trouble.
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Karash Amerius
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Posted - 2003.06.11 16:28:00 -
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The Gang has enough honor to ask for cargo and/or money when they do their interdictions. This is how it should be done. Sure if their prey refuses, they get blown out of the sky (have to keep appearances and all)...but terrorists such as m0o could learn something here.
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MindBender
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Posted - 2003.06.11 17:20:00 -
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An BPs, damn I make more money selling copies of BPs then I do making the items BP is for. Everyone wants to build thier own stuff, so everyone is mining, everyone is building so there is no economy to speak of.
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Hanse if you are 1 of the idiots selling the BP's then you have no right to ***** about not being able to sell the items you manufacture. People would not all be making their own items if people were not selling copies of the BP for the price of a single item. I have seen Moa BP's selling for less than the price of a single moa. Which would you buy? if I can buy a Moa print for the price of a single ship I am going to buy the BP and then I can build an unlimited number for only mineral costs. Although there is no way to stop people from selling the copies, don't complain if you can't sell your goods when you are contributing to the reason you can't sell them.
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Nibarlan
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Posted - 2003.06.11 17:41:00 -
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pirates are good, I like pirates, I will comply to their requests if they ask, just so you people know
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Hanse Davion
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Posted - 2003.06.11 18:05:00 -
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I have read a lot of post on these two Pirate Corps and I don't see what the hype is.
With advanced clones and ship insurance them killing you and podding you is nothing more then a annoyance. They are not the real problem the game mechanics are and the fact that they know them better then most.
It's all about the right equipment and skills, nothing more. With the right NPC Market items and skills you to can be a pirate like them.
Couple hints to reduce the fear of PC Pirates.
Lymm the name of my character is from Battletech and my corp name is Federated Commonwealth because Federated Suns, Grey Death, and Wolf Dragoons, were already taken.
As for lumping you with M0o the whole point of this post is to either pay you, kill you, or stay away from you. I never said or implied that your corps were alike in any way other then you are both pirates. I am not discussing styles here, a pirate is a pirate, the point is that whining in the forums about how pirates ruin the game is total bs.
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What the problem is Hansa, is simply that decent clones are expensive. In high secure areas most players are still trying to establish themselves and don't have the funds to invest in good clones.
Wyke read point 1 in my post, clones are not expensive because most people don't need a A+ clone yet. Like I said I got 56+ skills all at lvl3 and a few at lvl4. I added up all my skill points and only needed a B+ Clone. If you a relative new player, say with about a week or 2 constant training I doubt you even need a B+. Add those skill points up and you will see what I'm talking about.
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About point 4. That is so not true. I mean, I don't have a problem with 4-6 NPC cruisers alone, just me in my Moa. Just use proper tactics and it's not that hard.
Mitchman re-read title of summary "Couple hints to reduce the fear of PC Pirates." This has nothing to do with fighting NPC pirates.
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It is good to see competent pirates in the game instead of children. *Salutes The Gang* Good to see you guys here causing trouble.
Bon I can't say that I have your feelings about "The Gang" or any other Pirates. An again notice that this is not a whine about pirates, so there really is no need to turn this into another "We love The Gang because they robbed us but didn't kill us thread"
This thread is about if you did get killed, what did you really loss? Unless of course you didn't have a clone.
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The Gang has enough honor to ask for cargo and/or money when they do their interdictions. This is how it should be done. Sure if their prey refuses, they get blown out of the sky (have to keep appearances and all)...but terrorists such as m0o could learn something here.
Damn what's the point of trying to make a point in the forums when people only see what they want to see.
Edited by: Hanse Davion on 11/06/2003 18:07:55
2005.01.21 05:09:06combatYour Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Priest, wrecking for 533.1 damage. |
GangRussian
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Posted - 2003.06.11 18:23:00 -
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To be honest, I agree on the part that it gets a tad tedious all the whining about pirates, as well as all the whining from pirates. However, I think the best choice is to stay away from whining about whining, but it's just me :)
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GlimmerMan
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Posted - 2003.06.11 18:27:00 -
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To anyone who is moaning about the cost of the good clones:
Where were you for the 30 odd hours when you could buy an A+ clone for less than 17,000isk?
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Grumpf
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Posted - 2003.06.11 18:39:00 -
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You pointed out alot of good things. But i seriously doubt that you ever fought anyone from M0o. There is no real point in hunting them systematically since they hide in the "jump" radius of the jumpgates. So if things turn out bad they just whooosh away :(
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Hanse Davion
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Posted - 2003.06.11 18:50:00 -
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Hanse if you are 1 of the idiots selling the BP's then you have no right to ***** about not being able to sell the items you manufacture. People would not all be making their own items if people were not selling copies of the BP for the price of a single item.
First of all I don't *****, I may rant drunkenly but I don't *****. Secondly I'm far from being a idiot.
Do you understand what making a point is? Point being that people would rather build for themselves rather then purchase. Why because some bleeding heart things that selling for 5% over mineral cost is "fair" instead of selling at fair profit. Also the fact that these simple ass pathetic pirates drop as loot all the main things everyone is building doesn't help.
Anyway back to the original issue, which is that if I was selling the copies for the price of 1 item then I would not be making more money selling BPs then I do selling the items......
2005.01.21 05:09:06combatYour Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Priest, wrecking for 533.1 damage. |
Plasmatiq
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Posted - 2003.06.11 18:50:00 -
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Hanse, I have to take issue with your conflicting statements.
With advanced clones and ship insurance them killing you and podding you is nothing more then a annoyance.
2) Ship insurance, hell I don't know much about it but it don't seem worth it to me. Why because my experiences with it lead me to believe that you are insured for the mineral cost (at NPC mineral prices) of the ship. Which sucks because I paid 400K for my Merlin and max coverage on it gets me back like 160K.
Ship insurance is a joke. To insure my cruiser would cost over 1 million...A WEEK. How much do I get back? Like 3 million. Wheee.
However, I agree with you on all the other points.
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Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.06.11 19:24:00 -
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Hanse,
Please understand the ire of some of The Gang crew in having our name and that of the M Corp being in the same sentence. We work very hard to maintain our reputation and honor, as such, even the mere association of our name with that of another, lesser, corp would in the eyes of some take us down to their level. We have earned our reputation through years of hardwork and cooperation, having it besmirched, if even unintentional, will quickly raise the ire of even the most even tempered Gangster.
Good day, and may this have helped you understand the reaction of some of our corp memebers.
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Zelota
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Posted - 2004.05.13 20:09:00 -
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god your right
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Klio
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Posted - 2004.05.13 20:11:00 -
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Please don't bump old threads.
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