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Kata Dakini An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.01.03 00:24:00 - [1] Performing two good deeds within minutes of each other. The lady at the store gave me back too much change, I returned it. I walked out of the store, burrito and beverage in hand, and there were a couple ladies stuck in an ice pit with a front wheel drive sedan. I put my stuff down and pushed them out, teaching her the "secret" of rocking the car back and forth to gain momentum. So, now my selfish desires transpire. When do I get to cash in my karma check? For more enjoyment and greater efficiency, consumption is being standardized.
Kata Dakini An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.01.03 00:24:00 - [2] Performing two good deeds within minutes of each other. The lady at the store gave me back too much change, I returned it. I walked out of the store, burrito and beverage in hand, and there were a couple ladies stuck in an ice pit with a front wheel drive sedan. I put my stuff down and pushed them out, teaching her the "secret" of rocking the car back and forth to gain momentum. So, now my selfish desires transpire. When do I get to cash in my karma check? For more enjoyment and greater efficiency, consumption is being standardized.
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2008.01.03 00:38:00 - [3] True Karma only works on your next life. I advise you to get your money back and stick that burrito up her tailpipe. J/K. Good deeds are good deeds, and should be done regardless of what you desire in the next life. Didn't you get a warm spoogy feeling? That's the Karma you were looking for. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: BB Lazy Lob and Crazy Cob are weaving webs to wind me. I am far more sweet than other meat, but still they cannot find me!
Doctor Fruitloop	Posted - 2008.01.03 00:38:00 - [4] Karma will be used in part exchange for the pain your mother went through during your birth. You are now 1^-15 of the way there Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny BELIEVE IT!!! If you utter that...phrase...again, I swear to god I'll hunt you down and pod you
Micheal Dietrich Caldari The Delta Source Dread Sovereign	Posted - 2008.01.03 00:53:00 - [5] Pain my ass, she was doped up for weeks.
Karma Vortex Incorporated	Posted - 2008.01.03 01:23:00 - [6] you called? shakes Magic 8-ball "something good your way comes."
Kata Dakini An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.01.03 02:36:00 - [7] Ha! It's now considered paid in full. I met Kellia just after that. She's a babe. For more enjoyment and greater efficiency, consumption is being standardized.
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2008.01.03 03:35:00 - [8] Edited by: Sister Impotentata on 03/01/2008 03:35:55 FRAPS or it never happened! Edit: I hope this wasn't immediately after the burrito. Or then again, maybe I do ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: BB Lazy Lob and Crazy Cob are weaving webs to wind me. I am far more sweet than other meat, but still they cannot find me!
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.01.03 05:33:00 - [9] Originally by: Sister Impotentata True Karma only works on your next life. I advise you to get your money back and stick that burrito up her tailpipe. Hey, how do you know the op is mexican? _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
defiler Mad Hermit	Posted - 2008.01.03 05:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Karma it should be mentioned that doing a good deed with the mind to get a reward for it (material or otherwise), back-fires quite often and can become bad karma... it is best to do a good deed, just to do a good deed. Ah, but isn't that rather selfish? I know this isn't philosophy class, but I've always had doubts about this whole good deed for no reward thing. Why on earth would you do a good deed that doesn't benefit you? The answer is of course that selfless acts make you feel good. But why isn't that considered selfish? Where do we draw the line between the two? My point of view that there are no selfless acts is one of the things I put in the Stuff That Makes People Avoid Me category, along with things like "there is no true coincidence (everything can be traced to a predictable reaction on a subatomic level), ergo we have no free will". It's a fun way to annoy people, until they correctly deduce that none of these things actually matters on a macro level. Mad Hermit corporation Minding our own business since 2004
Karma Vortex Incorporated	Posted - 2008.01.03 11:53:00 - [11] Originally by: defiler The answer is of course that selfless acts make you feel good. But why isn't that considered selfish? Where do we draw the line between the two? and if you know it's selfish of you... is that any reason to Not to the selfless/selfish act? the person whom you help will probably appreciate it regardless (unless you ask for a reward after having done it, that is) Originally by: defiler until they correctly deduce that none of these things actually matters on a macro level. too true. whether you believe in karma or don't, or whether you believe in free will or don't, doesn't matter even in the slightest. imagine it doesn't exist and lead your life in whatever fashion you want to.
Shiipo Caldari Dangerous Trades	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Kata Dakini So, now my selfish desires transpire. When do I get to cash in my karma check? Actually considering that you switch to selfish mode afterwards, the good deeds were more likely to increase your karma rating from a negative point to a slightly less negative point.
Jirai Grepher Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:25:00 - [13] Originally by: Doctor Fruitloop Karma will be used in part exchange for the pain your mother went through during your birth. You are now 1^-15 of the way there She wouldn't have had any pain if the dumb ***** was better with the coat hanger.. _________________ The former and original Pel Mel
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:26:00 - [14] Originally by: Kata Dakini Ha! It's now considered paid in full. I met Kellia just after that. She's a babe. Piccies, good man. Spread the karma around ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:33:00 - [15] Originally by: Jirai Grepher Originally by: Doctor Fruitloop Karma will be used in part exchange for the pain your mother went through during your birth. You are now 1^-15 of the way there She wouldn't have had any pain if the dumb ***** was better with the coat hanger.. That's just wrong. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Jirai Grepher Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:38:00 - [16] Originally by: Rialtor Originally by: Jirai Grepher Originally by: Doctor Fruitloop Karma will be used in part exchange for the pain your mother went through during your birth. You are now 1^-15 of the way there She wouldn't have had any pain if the dumb ***** was better with the coat hanger.. That's just wrong. but it feels so right. _________________ The former and original Pel Mel [quote=CCP Eris
Jaerl Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:44:00 - [17] Originally by: defiler Originally by: Karma it should be mentioned that doing a good deed with the mind to get a reward for it (material or otherwise), back-fires quite often and can become bad karma... it is best to do a good deed, just to do a good deed. Ah, but isn't that rather selfish? I know this isn't philosophy class, but I've always had doubts about this whole good deed for no reward thing. Why on earth would you do a good deed that doesn't benefit you? The answer is of course that selfless acts make you feel good. But why isn't that considered selfish? Where do we draw the line between the two? My point of view that there are no selfless acts is one of the things I put in the Stuff That Makes People Avoid Me category, along with things like "there is no true coincidence (everything can be traced to a predictable reaction on a subatomic level), ergo we have no free will". It's a fun way to annoy people, until they correctly deduce that none of these things actually matters on a macro level. Heh, interesting argument - I hear something rather similar in my psychology class. It's argued that there are no real selfless acts of altruism because altruists still benefit from their 'selfless' good deeds in the form of internal pleasure generated by oneself from the internalisation of the good deed and doing one's duty to society following the conventions of social norms and pressure. This internalisation of reward is developed in the later stages of cognitive development when ego-centrism goes away, which is somewhat self-contradictory which would be to say that you become selfless by doing that. Human mind asplode? I dunno, but don't expect karmic realignment if you go round asking for it.
Kata Dakini An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.01.03 23:40:00 - [18] But all in all, is it wrong or selfish to simply want something owed to you? Not saying I'm owed anything, but this whole point of altruism not really existing because no action can really be considered selfless is bull. If someone owes me money, and I go out of my way to help them get that money (drive them to the bank, or sell drugs for them or whatever) so they can pay me back, I believe that's altruistic. Or what about when friends call on you for a favor, one that you really really don't want to do? I think someone who is truly apathetic about things would be considered an altruist in this case. For more enjoyment and greater efficiency, consumption is being standardized.
defiler Mad Hermit	Posted - 2008.01.04 05:41:00 - [19] Originally by: Jaerl stuff Interesting. I must add that I almost never research these things, but this might be worth some reading, to give me food for thought. I'd bet there are tons of articles/papers/discussions on this and similar (or not) topics but I rarely bother to look for them. I prefer to just work on an embryonic idea when it enters my head (happens quite often) and then, occasionally, come crashing down and looking the fool when someone points out the flaw in my logic. So I wasn't completely wrong this time. Good to know. ...granted, it's easy to not be wrong when there are no right answers. Mad Hermit corporation Minding our own business since 2004
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2008.01.04 08:33:00 - [20] Originally by: Jirai Grepher Uncalled for and disgusting - Mitnal Damn, I missed it... I take 1/2 a day off the forums because our gatecamp saw more action today than I've seen in my years of Eve (98 kills ) and now this is going to keep me up all night... Hey, this isn't going to come around and bite me in the ass is it? I was just dispensing karma back at the jackasses that came through our area Originally by: Tarminic Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.04 08:54:00 - [21] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Originally by: Jirai Grepher Uncalled for and disgusting - Mitnal Damn, I missed it... I take 1/2 a day off the forums because our gatecamp saw more action today than I've seen in my years of Eve (98 kills ) and now this is going to keep me up all night... Hey, this isn't going to come around and bite me in the ass is it? I was just dispensing karma back at the jackasses that came through our area im going to guess it had something to do with burritos and tailpipes someone i know got free drugs for helping someone out once. thanks for the help... well i got all this pot but no bowl we got one lets smoke
Kata Dakini An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.01.05 10:49:00 - [22] Originally by: Sister Impotentata Edited by: Sister Impotentata on 03/01/2008 03:35:55 FRAPS or it never happened! Edit: I hope this wasn't immediately after the burrito. Or then again, maybe I do For all two of you that are pretending to care... an update is in order. This is the coolest chick I have ever met! Not only does she play video games (no eve yet, but she'll come around), but she's been to school to be a game designer! She also likes Megadeth! Her house has a bar! And a pool table!!! And a foosball table!!!! And she loves fishing! And she's a good cook!!! And she's a babe and cusses as much as I do! ...karma...overload... I think I'm going to spend tomorrow walking around the city helping out random strangers in need (except for the bums, I have no money ya bum!) It's all coming around. Sorry, now back to your regularly scheduled thread derailment. For more enjoyment and greater efficiency, consumption is being standardized.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.01.05 11:52:00 - [23] Originally by: Jaerl Heh, interesting argument - I hear something rather similar in my psychology class. It's argued that there are no real selfless acts of altruism because altruists still benefit from their 'selfless' good deeds in the form of internal pleasure generated by oneself from the internalisation of the good deed and doing one's duty to society following the conventions of social norms and pressure. I read something about a World War I pilot who won the Victoria Cross. (Britain's highest military honour, which is only given for selfless acts of bravery). The Home Secretary of the time had written in the margins of the commendation recommendation that although the pilot had saved his co-pilot by flying the plane back to base while the pilot had both legs blown off and half of the plane's undercarriage destroyed, he'd called question on whether it was worthy of a VC because there was an element of self preservation involved!
Mudkest Ekliptika Engineers Ekliptika	Posted - 2008.01.05 17:24:00 - [24] Originally by: Jaerl Originally by: defiler Originally by: Karma it should be mentioned that doing a good deed with the mind to get a reward for it (material or otherwise), back-fires quite often and can become bad karma... it is best to do a good deed, just to do a good deed. Ah, but isn't that rather selfish? I know this isn't philosophy class, but I've always had doubts about this whole good deed for no reward thing. Why on earth would you do a good deed that doesn't benefit you? The answer is of course that selfless acts make you feel good. But why isn't that considered selfish? Where do we draw the line between the two? My point of view that there are no selfless acts is one of the things I put in the Stuff That Makes People Avoid Me category, along with things like "there is no true coincidence (everything can be traced to a predictable reaction on a subatomic level), ergo we have no free will". It's a fun way to annoy people, until they correctly deduce that none of these things actually matters on a macro level. Heh, interesting argument - I hear something rather similar in my psychology class. It's argued that there are no real selfless acts of altruism because altruists still benefit from their 'selfless' good deeds in the form of internal pleasure generated by oneself from the internalisation of the good deed and doing one's duty to society following the conventions of social norms and pressure. This internalisation of reward is developed in the later stages of cognitive development when ego-centrism goes away, which is somewhat self-contradictory which would be to say that you become selfless by doing that. Human mind asplode? I dunno, but don't expect karmic realignment if you go round asking for it. interesting and all, but now think about all those soldiers that threw themselves on grenades, swords, spears and what-not in all those centuries of warfare to safe someone else. I really dont believe theye did it to get that warm mushy feeling that comes with doing a good deed... ----- GIEV custom ship paint jobs! I want my hello-kitty-kessie!
defiler Mad Hermit	Posted - 2008.01.05 18:38:00 - [25] Originally by: Mudkest's Level 4 Quote Pyramid of Minor Vacation Good point. However in cases of self-sacrifice where the guy actually lives the only explanations as to why he did it are stuff like "it was the right thing to do" and "i'd rather be dead than live on without those people". In a way, it reminds me of suicide; they do it to avoid future (self-)torment. Maybe not a very elegant explanation, but I still believe in "my" theory so maybe I can come up with something better but this will do for now. @the OP: sorry for derailing your thread. She sounds dreamy, score mate! Mad Hermit corporation Minding our own business since 2004
Mudkest Ekliptika Engineers Ekliptika	Posted - 2008.01.05 21:21:00 - [26] Originally by: defiler Originally by: Mudkest's Level 4 Quote Pyramid of Minor Vacation Good point. However in cases of self-sacrifice where the guy actually lives the only explanations as to why he did it are stuff like "it was the right thing to do" and "i'd rather be dead than live on without those people". In a way, it reminds me of suicide; they do it to avoid future (self-)torment. Maybe not a very elegant explanation, but I still believe in "my" theory so maybe I can come up with something better but this will do for now. @the OP: sorry for derailing your thread. She sounds dreamy, score mate! that's what theye say later, when asked why theye did it. It's at the moment itself that I really doubt theye think "it's the right thing to do" or "can't go on without them' and such. Not that I've been in such a situation, but I've been in plenty of situations(like most ppl I bet) where there's simply no time to think or theorize or anything, you just react. and it's at those times when people commit selfles/altruistic deeds, because at the time when theye do it theye are not thinking about the why. ----- GIEV custom ship paint jobs! I want my hello-kitty-kessie!
defiler Mad Hermit	Posted - 2008.01.05 22:24:00 - [27] Ah, now I get what you mean. Let's say I agree with you for the moment, these actions are hardly selfish. But, following your reasoning they're hardly selfless either, because you don't actually make a choice to sacrifice yourself - you just do it (or don't). So why do you do it? You don't have time to think, so you act on reflexes, on habit. What you would do if you did have time to think. So I think that considering whether you have time to think or not is pretty much moot, what you do simply reflects past behaviour. Mad Hermit corporation Minding our own business since 2004
Kata Dakini An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.01.05 22:27:00 - [28] Originally by: Mudkest that's what theye say later, when asked why theye did it. It's at the moment itself that I really doubt theye think "it's the right thing to do" or "can't go on without them' and such. Not that I've been in such a situation, but I've been in plenty of situations(like most ppl I bet) where there's simply no time to think or theorize or anything, you just react. and it's at those times when people commit selfles/altruistic deeds, because at the time when theye do it theye are not thinking about the why. Yes. My friend told me the other night about something I did a few weeks ago that I don't remember. We were at the bar, pretty drunk, playing foosball. Some guy walks up and smacks my buddy in the face, pretty hard. Apparently, I immediately ran after the guy and grabbed him and started yelling in his face... I was ready to mess this guy up because he smacked my friend. Now, in that amount of time, I'm not thinking, I'm just reacting. Not to mention the inebriated state of my brain. I'm not doing it for any other reason than to defend a friend. Granted, it's morally questionable whether I was right or not (in the end, the guy ended up being a friend of my friend's, I didn't know that, so all was well), or whether running up to someone, ready to beat them silly is altruistic or not. This proves, though, that many times, people simply act, and any motivation for personal gain is purely at at subconscious level. For more enjoyment and greater efficiency, consumption is being standardized.

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