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Tristessa
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Posted - 2004.03.19 16:38:00 -
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I've been playing this game for a few months now, and I just wanted to make a few constructive comments regarding the level of support I see from CCP and this game. In general, I am amazed at the lack of information that is available on this website.
There is nothing available from CCP on genral stragegy, short of reading many many posts from *players* (i.e. not CCP) to understand what the game is all about. EIther that or constantly asking someone in your noob corp about it. To a new(er) player, there are SO many questions on how to macro-manage your character.
What are the different races (ships) strenths and weaknesses? How long can it take to get into a cruiser or a battleship? How important are learning skills?
(Not that I'm asking for answers in this forum, per sae, just example questions that a newer player could ask).
The "Items Database" is the biggest joke on this entire website. What a waste of space, seriously. The name gives some hope that you can learn about the items available in the world of EVE. What happens when you get there? Your hopes are vanquished when you find that there are only ships available (unorganized by race or class, by the way) and even then it doesn't have *any* information about sheilds, armor, hull, slots availabile, drone space, skills required, speed, etc etc etc etc. Just pictures of the ships.
Where is information about guns, ammo, missles, warp stabilizers, cargo expanders, inertia stabilizers, miner turrets ... ? What about items that are only valuable to NPC's like Construction components? Blueprints? Where can you find blueprints? How can you research better blueprints?
What about information on agent missions? What about information about Research and Development? What kind of missions should you expect from the "Production" group or the "Administration" group? What about Pirating Corps? Mining Corps? Instructions on game interface? Tips on combat?
Maybe I am just spoiled by Blizzard Entertainment. Yes, I know CCP is not Blizzard, but then again Blizzard doesn't require any payment to use Battle.Net, either (yet). Just to give an example, where's the Strategy Guide for Warcraft III, a Blizzard strategy game that involves a lot of micromanagement (http://www.battle.net/war3/). Here's another one for Diablo II (http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/), a regular RPG. Here's yet *another* one for Starcraft (http://www.battle.net/scc/). All Blizzard games. All of these websites are extremely helpful in developing a strategy for your character or style of play. If anything, just click on the "Basic" or "General Strategy" link or even one of the races / classes.
If we're paying for this service, why not get something similar in return? Sure it might be abailaible on other EVE-dedicated websites, but why should I run around looking for information on other websites when I (we) are paying CCP to do it?
Seriously, I do like this game. A lot. But I do think the website needs a hardcore tune-up. It needs a Strategy Guide. That's my 2 cents.
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.03.19 16:40:00 -
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We have a strategy guide, and let me tell you, it's not really worth it (sorry CCP). It's outdated.
However, if you're volunteering to write a strategy guide for the site, we'll be more then happy to push to get it included on the site
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Dam tac
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Posted - 2004.03.19 16:41:00 -
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There is a stratagy guide, i have it.
Worthless now tho, everything has changed and things have been added.
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Raudka
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Posted - 2004.03.19 16:44:00 -
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CCP are woefully lacking in this support indeed as well as informing the player base of changes ahead, such as the skill/module changes in the latest patch.
Also they seem to have an apathy towards people being able to choose which new features added to the interface they want (such as making the *beep* togglable on/off).
The scanner has come a long way but still the threat window is something I do miss, I don't remember us being asked if we wanted it to be removed or not, since they never ask about the GUI changes.
Other parts of the GUI are clunky, having 3 rows of modules in a straight line so you can see all 3 at the same time seems to offend their artistic senses so they screw gameplay over eye-candy in this aspect and many others.
It does worry me how amateurish they are at this type of customer support... supporting the customers BEFORE THEY NEED TO ASK.
A lot of people are more than happy to read about how everything works and frankly, they only get that from other players and those players often have different views, add to that the fact that CCP are often changing modules effects or simply put the wrong information on display and we have a cacophony of thousands of modules which may or may not work like the description says RIGHT NOW.
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Tristessa
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Posted - 2004.03.19 16:44:00 -
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We have a strategy guide, and let me tell you, it's not really worth it (sorry CCP). It's outdated.
However, if you're volunteering to write a strategy guide for the site, we'll be more then happy to push to get it included on the site
I'm talking about an online Strat Guild (Like Blizzard ... for ... every ... game ... they ... make).
And maybe I'll take you up on your offer to write the guide. What do you pay per hour?
Tris
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.03.19 16:47:00 -
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And maybe I'll take you up on your offer to write the guide. What do you pay per hour?
Look up the word "volunteer" in a dictionary.
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.03.19 16:49:00 -
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And maybe I'll take you up on your offer to write the guide. What do you pay per hour?
Tris
I will give you
a cookie!
Seriously though, if you really really want one and can't wait for it, then why not write one yourself.
You'll be famous
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Raudka
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Posted - 2004.03.19 16:49:00 -
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And maybe I'll take you up on your offer to write the guide. What do you pay per hour?
Look up the word "volunteer" in a dictionary.
CCP should not have to depend on players donating their time. This isn't an open-source project.
If they want to be perceived as being professional they have people that write this for money, that have access to the devs and can confirm that things actually work as their description states.
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Tristessa
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Posted - 2004.03.19 16:51:00 -
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Look up the word "volunteer" in a dictionary.
You're so TRICKY  . Thanks, I never knew what that word meant!
Main Entry: 1volĄunĄtary
Pronunciation: 'võ-l&n-"ter-E
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin voluntarius, from voluntas will, from velle to will, wish -- more at WILL
1 : proceeding from the will or from one's own choice or consent
Thank you so much Baldour Ngarr, now I know that word means! TY TY TY! 
Tris
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Raudka
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Posted - 2004.03.19 16:53:00 -
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Seriously though, if you really really want one and can't wait for it, then why not write one yourself.
You'll be famous
So CCP have no intention of having updated information (except for the Khumaak incident  ) on their website?
Are you really really inferring to that? That they are depending on players who allready post a lot of stuff in the forums and corp channels to help others to write an OFFICIAL guide?
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Tristessa
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Posted - 2004.03.19 16:54:00 -
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And maybe I'll take you up on your offer to write the guide. What do you pay per hour?
Tris
I will give you
a cookie!
Seriously though, if you really really want one and can't wait for it, then why not write one yourself.
You'll be famous
Wrong answer. Since you are so quick to answer (all of these posts have gone down within the past 5 mins), why not explain why CCP can't provide an online Strat Guide for this game that requires a monthly subscription?
Oh, and why won't you pay me to write it? The idea of me writing it for free is rediculous.
Tris
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voogru
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Posted - 2004.03.19 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 19/03/2004 16:57:42
I'd love to write a very detailed and easy to read guide, but heres the problem.
In 6 months, the game will probably change so much that the guide will need to be totally re-written, much like the last one they made is now severly outdated 
I would have made one already if it wasnt for that 
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.03.19 16:57:00 -
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Raudka,
No, I'm not inferring that. It a really good idea and the ship descriptions (with images) show that it's planned. Perhaps it's on the backburner, till the forums get updated. I don't now.
Tristessa,
I'm just a volunteer, haven't got any money to pay you with
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Jivan Kennoren
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Posted - 2004.03.19 17:06:00 -
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This game, just like any other Massive Mutli-player Online game, is constantly being updated and changed through patches, so a strategy guide written today will be just about useless next month.. maybe even next week!
If you ask CCP to write one, well, that means it'll take away from their time and resources to add to and improve the game. I'd rather have them put forth effort to make the game better than work to give us suggestions. Players are better at developing strategies, anyway. They tend to one-up the developers and find bugs and exploits all the time as it is.
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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.03.19 17:08:00 -
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I'm working on one... its taking a while though.
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Tristessa
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Posted - 2004.03.19 17:08:00 -
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Tristessa,
I'm just a volunteer, haven't got any money to pay you
Fair enough, it's cool that you are a volunteer and all, but if you cannot answer the question the why bother responding as ... if ... you ... can ... (lol)
At any rate, if something's going to be on the "back burner" I have some ideas:
Items & Ships database
-> Separated with all the tabulated information that you can see in the game.
-> Give an idea if it's an item that can be bought on the market or not
Skill Tree
-> Explain RANK (to noobs)
-> Explain how Attributes effect learning time
Security
-> Summarize all the actions that can be considered an act of aggression, and those that are not
Just some ideas. These should be the easiest because they are just lists with all the information from the game so you aren't really wording anything. I can't believe I have to say all of this lol. To me this should be common knowlege, especially for a game that requires a subscription. The fact that this isn't released when the game has been out for so long is crazy.
Tris
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.03.19 17:12:00 -
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Fair enough, it's cool that you are a volunteer and all, but if you cannot answer the question the why bother responding as ... if ... you ... can ... (lol)
Because people are watching that might
Good ideas, alltogether
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Raudka
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Posted - 2004.03.19 17:45:00 -
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Because people are watching that might
Well can't fault your optimism Orestes, personally I think that making a detailed assessment on how far EVE has gone and how CCP have handled it is due in May, luckily I should have some time to write a thorough analysis.
There are lots of places where CCP have done really well and sadly more places where they've done badly, even just by promising things they knew they couldn't deliver and bad handling of upgrades and updates.
As for the strategy guide being outdated, not all aspects change every month, usually just the battle-PVP that changes at all
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Brother Victae
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Posted - 2004.03.19 18:40:00 -
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Since you are so quick to answer (all of these posts have gone down within the past 5 mins), why not explain why CCP can't provide an online Strat Guide for this game that requires a monthly subscription?
Ill explain for you, its quite simple really. Ill start with the assumption you've never played an MMO before, well thats fine, but you cannot compare Blizzard with CCP in any way.
Blizzard: are a massive company, with large amounts of money, who make single player or normal maultiplayer games(WoW doesnt count, its not out yet).
CCP: are a small company making their first Massivly Multiplayer game. They have limited monetary resources and time.
You want CCP to write a staratagy giude? Well thats dandy, so lets assume they get on it right away. Their small team will devote all their time to writing this in-depth guide you want, explaining everything in the game, so we will all have to put up with a total lack of patches, bugfixes and content updates while they do it, as well as setting back the Shiva expansion a month or two. But you dont mind that at all right?
Then, once its all done in a month or two, they will begin updating the game again, and 2 months later it will be totally out of date. But thats fine, we can just wait another month or two of no game development so they can update the guide right?
No. Your making comparisons between games which are not only in different genres, they arerun by two companies which are totally different, what your asking for is costly, impractical and would hurt the game due to the fact they would have to devote several of their staff to constantly updating the guide. EVE is not a single player game where patches make no overall difference to a guide, its a constantly evolving MMORPG, and even a seeminly tiny change could require a complete rewrite of any guide.
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.03.19 18:48:00 -
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CCP is looking at options for a new strategy guide. I don't have much information on the plans yet, but I will post an update when more information is forthcoming.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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Styrmir
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Posted - 2004.03.19 18:50:00 -
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I agree CCP should have some sort of updated database here for people to use.
Still, various fan sites have done such databases that people can go to.
Also, in an interactive and ever changing world the forums for example provide a great way to find out about stuff.
For them to be fully effective in that regard there really must be a way to search the forums. I know it is planned but I don't know why it is so diffucult to implement.
Another place for info is the ingame browser which has answers to various questions as well.
I for one think CCP is doing well overall but there is always room for improvement 
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Tristessa
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Posted - 2004.03.19 18:58:00 -
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No. Your making comparisons between games which are not only in different genres, they arerun by two companies which are totally different, what your asking for is costly, impractical and would hurt the game due to the fact they would have to devote several of their staff to constantly updating the guide. EVE is not a single player game where patches make no overall difference to a guide, its a constantly evolving MMORPG, and even a seeminly tiny change could require a complete rewrite of any guide.
1. Not looking for the *same* thing, necessarily - just looking for *some* thing.
2. I'm not necessarily trying to compare the gmaes and companies blow by blow. I'm not criticising CCP, either. I'm just pointing out that if they had a strat guide (in some way similar to what I have described) the game would be much more enjoyabile, especially for new players.
That's my only point here.
Tris
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Brother Victae
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Posted - 2004.03.19 19:30:00 -
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Thats fine, my only point is that CCP is NOT a large company, and if you want a stratagy guide, that means they have to divert resources away from other areas of the game, like fixing bugs, developing new content and the ongoing storyline. Id prefer they were making the game better than wasting time writing up a guide to things which can be easily found out if a new player asks.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.03.19 19:31:00 -
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I know what you are loooking for and in many ways I'm somewhat against a thorough guide. Eve should continue to have a learning curve. That is truly part of the wowness of it all.
However regarding an actual repository of information and any type of dedication to updating it... well there is one.
The community itself does so much of this already. And we have much more manpower resources then CCP does. I'd suggest several places... and maybe part of the CCP team could interface with these places to work out some sort of central functioning 'library' but one can only hope.
Eve I
A great resource for a variety of things. Mostly technical and 'Out of Game' content. Their forums are filled with a variety of suggestions, text files, and spreadsheets. The people are nice, helpful, and intelligent. The Staff are dedicated and very knowledgable.
Eve DB
While it is focused around being a marketplace this website is invaluable for it's item database. Unbelievably so... CCP could take a lesson from these guys.
Eve Marketplace
Want to find out where something is being sold... here is the place to find it. Wether it is on the open marketplace, in escrow, or special contact Eve Marketplace is the place to go. I've used it to keep informed, and plan some aggressive selling myself.
Eve Guardian
A shameless plug but hey what can you do. We here at EG try to provide an "in character" perspective to events. Not always easy but well worth the effort. Feel free to submit news of any kind. I won't gaurantee that it will get in print but it will get looked over.
If you feel that something is taking too long hit me up in game, convo since I seem to oops on eve-mail alot. I'll even refund your 100 isk.
This is but the tip of the iceberg. This community loves Eve. And for all the heck we give the Devs we support them in as many ways we can figure out. Think of your monthly fee as an investment.
In Eve you must be serious about your investments, in and out of game. Of course you must also be serious about fun too... but that is a personal choice imho that I wish more would opt.
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Styrmir
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Posted - 2004.03.20 04:45:00 -
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Thank you for that nice list Shar. Some of those I have checked out bu others I will now 
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Havocide
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Posted - 2004.03.20 05:52:00 -
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i like the mods actually talking on the board rather than just quoting,
"if you have any problems with moderation please email [email protected]"
or
"locked due to you guys being nubtards" etc
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.03.20 06:54:00 -
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A strategy guide? On THIS website? Oh, you mean this one...
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Des Harrison
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Posted - 2004.03.20 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: Des Harrison on 20/03/2004 11:48:18
In response to the very first post on this topic, I'd just like to make a few comments:
1) CCP is not a behemoth corporation - in an article somewhere, I read that they employ somewhere around 30 people on their development team. I'd rather those people keep their focus on developing the game (which they've done a great job doing) than to expend their energies writing a strategy guide that would be obsolete the moment a patch like Shiva comes out. They would need to dedicate a couple members of their staff just to keep the strategy guide up-to-date.
2) The amount of fan websites and resources that I've seen/found for Eve amazes me - The people who make up the Eve community are quite a resourceful lot, and offer their time generously to develop websites, resources, how-to guides, participate in Polaris, etc, for others to benefit. As long as we have that amount of energy existing in the community to help each other out, IMHO CCP should remain focused on improving the game (see item #1).
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Dekar
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Posted - 2004.03.20 12:08:00 -
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A strategy guide may be a bit too much to ask indeed. However, the idea of a database with all the info available on the website shouldn't be impossible. The info is already ingame! And I don't see why it shouldn't be available on the website as well. Less to do with lag and more time to read through it comfortably.
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Des Harrison
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Posted - 2004.03.20 12:10:00 -
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I agree Dek - should be feasible to provide info in that format.
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eXe Galanodel
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Posted - 2004.03.21 02:10:00 -
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awwww... How nice Shar for including eve-i in the roster 
designed by redfish
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eXe Galanodel
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Posted - 2004.03.21 02:10:00 -
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awwww... How nice Shar for including eve-i in the roster
designed by redfish
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nails
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Posted - 2004.03.21 02:13:00 -
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I own 5 copies of the origional strategy guide... but that's just cause some store wrote them all to a penny lol.
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nails
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Posted - 2004.03.21 02:13:00 -
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I own 5 copies of the origional strategy guide... but that's just cause some store wrote them all to a penny lol.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.03.21 03:34:00 -
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awwww... How nice Shar for including eve-i in the roster
Well the list I gave is not all inclusive... There is Eve-Explore and Eve Gate and many others... The bunch I put out though covers the real basics. Technical/Gameplay, Market, Equipment Info, and Politics/Bullcaacaa. (How do you spell that?)
The Eve 4 basic food groups. The savviest players take healthy portions of them all. Not a bad route to suggest to the many new players out there.
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.03.21 03:34:00 -
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awwww... How nice Shar for including eve-i in the roster
Well the list I gave is not all inclusive... There is Eve-Explore and Eve Gate and many others... The bunch I put out though covers the real basics. Technical/Gameplay, Market, Equipment Info, and Politics/Bullcaacaa. (How do you spell that?)
The Eve 4 basic food groups. The savviest players take healthy portions of them all. Not a bad route to suggest to the many new players out there.
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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F'nog
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Posted - 2004.03.21 04:35:00 -
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Of all the MMOGs I've played, I've never seen one where the developers provided huge database of information on the game. They've all been community-provided, and always more informative than what's on the official site.
Frankly, I think it's counter-productive for a company to provide a ton of information, because that makes the game easier to play and makes things easier to get (whatever those might be, whether missions, items, levels, etc.) thus people "finish" them quicker and move onto something else. So it's really in CCP's best interest to provide only the minimal amount of information themselves, as every other producer I know does, while the loyal community does the work of making databases and guides, and Eve's has done more than any other I've seen (haven't played EQ).
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F'nog
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Posted - 2004.03.21 04:35:00 -
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Of all the MMOGs I've played, I've never seen one where the developers provided huge database of information on the game. They've all been community-provided, and always more informative than what's on the official site.
Frankly, I think it's counter-productive for a company to provide a ton of information, because that makes the game easier to play and makes things easier to get (whatever those might be, whether missions, items, levels, etc.) thus people "finish" them quicker and move onto something else. So it's really in CCP's best interest to provide only the minimal amount of information themselves, as every other producer I know does, while the loyal community does the work of making databases and guides, and Eve's has done more than any other I've seen (haven't played EQ).
Originally by: rowbin hod
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.03.21 05:32:00 -
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I would suggust that a strategy guide for EVE would be an excellent use for a wiki. They're fairly easy to set up, and they're mostly self-policing.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2004.03.21 05:32:00 -
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I would suggust that a strategy guide for EVE would be an excellent use for a wiki. They're fairly easy to set up, and they're mostly self-policing.
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Trouncer
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Posted - 2004.03.21 16:41:00 -
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I write strategy guides for a living. I mainly cover massively multiplayer games and after nearly five years of writing, I decided to start my own company last year: www.gameguidesonline.com.
As some people pointed out in this tread, massively multiplayer strategy guides go quickly out of date and after a few months in print, they're nearly completely useless. The solution to this problem is free content updates to the guides.
Some of my older guides are several years old (which would make them embarrassingly inaccruate) but I update them every month or two. This -is- a lot of work and whoever suggested someone write one up on a whim as a volunteer is absolutely mad. Sometimes it takes me over a month of constant writing to complete a guide. Hundreds of pages and thousands of hours of playing and research.
I'm a complete noob in Eve, but I'm approaching it like I approach all massively multiplayer games: methodically. I try to learn what ever option does, every stat, every item and strategy. I write down every question that pops in my head and when I write a guide, I try to answer them all.
Anyway, it looks like Eve is in need of a new strategy guide. :)
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Trouncer
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Posted - 2004.03.21 16:41:00 -
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I write strategy guides for a living. I mainly cover massively multiplayer games and after nearly five years of writing, I decided to start my own company last year: www.gameguidesonline.com.
As some people pointed out in this tread, massively multiplayer strategy guides go quickly out of date and after a few months in print, they're nearly completely useless. The solution to this problem is free content updates to the guides.
Some of my older guides are several years old (which would make them embarrassingly inaccruate) but I update them every month or two. This -is- a lot of work and whoever suggested someone write one up on a whim as a volunteer is absolutely mad. Sometimes it takes me over a month of constant writing to complete a guide. Hundreds of pages and thousands of hours of playing and research.
I'm a complete noob in Eve, but I'm approaching it like I approach all massively multiplayer games: methodically. I try to learn what ever option does, every stat, every item and strategy. I write down every question that pops in my head and when I write a guide, I try to answer them all.
Anyway, it looks like Eve is in need of a new strategy guide. :)
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.03.21 16:57:00 -
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You could try playing the game and discover what works and what doesn't. Been with the game since June last year and most of the knowledge I've gained is from playing and learning from other peeps rather than having it handed on a plate.
Much more fun but not the quick fix most ppl want.
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.03.21 16:57:00 -
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You could try playing the game and discover what works and what doesn't. Been with the game since June last year and most of the knowledge I've gained is from playing and learning from other peeps rather than having it handed on a plate.
Much more fun but not the quick fix most ppl want.
Tal
What goes around comes around
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.03.21 20:16:00 -
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meh just learn like everyone else did. I hate games where the tell you " How to be good at the game in six easy steps." It's too much like cheat codes. Why not learn by finding out on your own?
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.03.21 20:16:00 -
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meh just learn like everyone else did. I hate games where the tell you " How to be good at the game in six easy steps." It's too much like cheat codes. Why not learn by finding out on your own?
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.03.22 05:10:00 -
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Well for any guide I plan to write I'm going to hit the basics. No formulas and any of that crap. Want to know some of that... research or learn. Want to know how to do some basics, in an attempt to avoid looking like a newbie, well that's what I'll give you.
Besides trying to pin Eve down to exacts would only kill the utility of the guide. It's for beginners and heck things change to darn quick sometimes.
What you are going to get amounts to a free ride. And it will be worth just a cut or two above that.
And of course I have to figure out how to present it all from the in character perspective. It's the EG mandate after all. =)
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.03.22 05:10:00 -
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Well for any guide I plan to write I'm going to hit the basics. No formulas and any of that crap. Want to know some of that... research or learn. Want to know how to do some basics, in an attempt to avoid looking like a newbie, well that's what I'll give you.
Besides trying to pin Eve down to exacts would only kill the utility of the guide. It's for beginners and heck things change to darn quick sometimes.
What you are going to get amounts to a free ride. And it will be worth just a cut or two above that.
And of course I have to figure out how to present it all from the in character perspective. It's the EG mandate after all. =)
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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jason hill
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Posted - 2004.03.22 10:17:00 -
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wasnt there som chap called quannas that di a user guide that he updated every week ...dunno if hes still in the game anymore though .you could check him out .
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jason hill
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Posted - 2004.03.22 10:17:00 -
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wasnt there som chap called quannas that di a user guide that he updated every week ...dunno if hes still in the game anymore though .you could check him out .
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Raudka
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Posted - 2004.03.22 11:21:00 -
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Quote:
meh just learn like everyone else did. I hate games where the tell you " How to be good at the game in six easy steps." It's too much like cheat codes. Why not learn by finding out on your own?
Where do I find my stuff?
What is the scanner, can it benefit me how?
How do I buy things from other systems?
How can I see the best price on market?
What do all these GUI options do and how do I benefit from them?
How do I activate my modules?
What benefit does the iron ammo give me over antimatter ammo?
Why could I not warp away when that PC pirate attacked me?
How can I defend against such a thing?
Why should I join a gang?
Why should I not accept to join a gang? (BobGenghisKhan anyone)
etc
etc
Simple but vital game mechanics that really new players need a walkthrough with experienced players.
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Defender of newbies
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Raudka
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Posted - 2004.03.22 11:21:00 -
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Quote:
meh just learn like everyone else did. I hate games where the tell you " How to be good at the game in six easy steps." It's too much like cheat codes. Why not learn by finding out on your own?
Where do I find my stuff?
What is the scanner, can it benefit me how?
How do I buy things from other systems?
How can I see the best price on market?
What do all these GUI options do and how do I benefit from them?
How do I activate my modules?
What benefit does the iron ammo give me over antimatter ammo?
Why could I not warp away when that PC pirate attacked me?
How can I defend against such a thing?
Why should I join a gang?
Why should I not accept to join a gang? (BobGenghisKhan anyone)
etc
etc
Simple but vital game mechanics that really new players need a walkthrough with experienced players.
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Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution
Defender of newbies
EVE knowledgeBase |
Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.03.22 14:45:00 -
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Book
This guys has been away but he is coming back. I would think CCP should make an offer.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.03.22 14:45:00 -
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Book
This guys has been away but he is coming back. I would think CCP should make an offer.
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GM Arkanon
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Posted - 2004.03.22 14:59:00 -
[55]
Hello everyone.
Since I haven't seen it mentioned yet, I wanted to point out that our knowledgebase has articles on many aspects of EVE gameplay, not just technical issues. We try to add to it as frequently as time allows and we sincerely hope you all can find useful information there.
Knowledge Base
GM Arkanon
Senior Game Master
EVE CSS |
GM Arkanon
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Posted - 2004.03.22 14:59:00 -
[56]
Hello everyone.
Since I haven't seen it mentioned yet, I wanted to point out that our knowledgebase has articles on many aspects of EVE gameplay, not just technical issues. We try to add to it as frequently as time allows and we sincerely hope you all can find useful information there.
Knowledge Base
GM Arkanon
Senior Game Master
EVE CSS |
OmegaTron
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Posted - 2004.03.22 15:41:00 -
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We have a strategy guide, and let me tell you, it's not really worth it (sorry CCP). It's outdated.
However, if you're volunteering to write a strategy guide for the site, we'll be more then happy to push to get it included on the site
the sad thing is around where i live EB games is still selling the giude for $20 USD
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OmegaTron
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Posted - 2004.03.22 15:41:00 -
[58]
Quote:
We have a strategy guide, and let me tell you, it's not really worth it (sorry CCP). It's outdated.
However, if you're volunteering to write a strategy guide for the site, we'll be more then happy to push to get it included on the site
the sad thing is around where i live EB games is still selling the giude for $20 USD
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.03.22 15:53:00 -
[59]
Use ICMGS
a) because they are good
b) because they are good
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(OK so there is a C also but Im not saying what it is )
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.03.22 15:53:00 -
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Use ICMGS
a) because they are good
b) because they are good
- - -
(OK so there is a C also but Im not saying what it is )
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Adliger Krieger
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Posted - 2004.03.23 13:28:00 -
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A strategy guide? On THIS website? Oh, you mean this one...
That one is almost as useless as the Official Strategy guide that is out. Yes, there is an official one out that is total gargabe. Covers mainly the Role Playing aspect of the game. I bought it at Best buy alomost a year ago when I bought the game.
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Adliger Krieger
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Posted - 2004.03.23 13:28:00 -
[62]
Quote:
A strategy guide? On THIS website? Oh, you mean this one...
That one is almost as useless as the Official Strategy guide that is out. Yes, there is an official one out that is total gargabe. Covers mainly the Role Playing aspect of the game. I bought it at Best buy alomost a year ago when I bought the game.
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Gun Kata
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Posted - 2004.03.23 13:52:00 -
[63]
Tristessa, why don't you ask for some volunteers to help put a team together - each person could write their own bit for a guide which would cut down the writing time. I am sure there would be more than enough people interested.
"I have seen everything now."
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Gun Kata
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Posted - 2004.03.23 13:52:00 -
[64]
Tristessa, why don't you ask for some volunteers to help put a team together - each person could write their own bit for a guide which would cut down the writing time. I am sure there would be more than enough people interested.
"Psychos do not explode when sunlight hits them, I don't give a f*** how crazy they are." |
Basileus
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Posted - 2004.12.04 18:19:00 -
[65]
uh.... bump... or something. |
Basileus
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Posted - 2004.12.04 18:19:00 -
[66]
uh.... bump... or something. |
Basileus
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Posted - 2004.12.04 18:19:00 -
[67]
uh.... bump... or something. |
Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.04 18:35:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Pandora Panda on 04/12/2004 18:38:08
If you're enough of an idiot to need a 'strategy guide', then it wont help you suck any less.
The manual was updated recently (as in since these posts were made) though, which should be more then enough.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.04 18:35:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Pandora Panda on 04/12/2004 18:38:08
If you're enough of an idiot to need a 'strategy guide', then it wont help you suck any less.
The manual was updated recently (as in since these posts were made) though, which should be more then enough.
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CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003 |
Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.04 18:35:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Pandora Panda on 04/12/2004 18:38:08
If you're enough of an idiot to need a 'strategy guide', then it wont help you suck any less.
The manual was updated recently (as in since these posts were made) though, which should be more then enough.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2004.12.04 20:40:00 -
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Panda, try reading the post dates.
Oh, and ewwwwwww, forum necromancy.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2004.12.04 20:40:00 -
[72]
Panda, try reading the post dates.
Oh, and ewwwwwww, forum necromancy.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2004.12.04 20:40:00 -
[73]
Panda, try reading the post dates.
Oh, and ewwwwwww, forum necromancy.
Originally by: rowbin hod
Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage.
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The Stiffmeister
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Posted - 2005.12.01 13:15:00 -
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I think there should be a strategy guide created for the game, being new to it I am still on a steep learning curve but if the Eve developement team really can't afford the time/money to do it then fair enough. Eve is an extremely accomplished piece of software and i am glad that we have it with or with out a player guide. If things change though it would be very beneficial to CCP to create and maintain an online guide. I know a lot of people who gave up playing because they were so overwhelmed with the complexity, so you may lose money by spending time developing it but gain money but openning up your audience a bit more.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.12.01 18:03:00 -
[75]
Wow, double necromancy in a thread. Is this a first?
Originally by: rowbin hod
Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage.
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Dust Angel
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Posted - 2005.12.01 18:07:00 -
[76]
Originally by: F'nog
Wow, double necromancy in a thread. Is this a first?
I believe it is... twice dead thread!
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Qalten
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Posted - 2005.12.01 18:17:00 -
[77]
Dear Forum Users,
Why, why, WHY do you dig up old threads? Most of the things discussed in it are either obsolete or fixed. Are you that lazy that you can't start a new thread? Is your post THAT intelligent and relevant that you have to bump a year old thread just to get it across?
I say forum necromancers should be given warnings/bans for repeated summonings.
Ach!
EVE Diplomacy Table
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2005.12.01 18:20:00 -
[78]
Originally by: F'nog
Wow, double necromancy in a thread. Is this a first?
Think it is....leave the dead along folks...
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The Stiffmeister
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Posted - 2005.12.02 20:04:00 -
[79]
Jesus man calm down, a google search took me to this "thread". I didn't see the dates, I just assumed that as i could still post a response it was recent. I didn't read everyones comments, I just wanted to have my say and congratulate CCP on their game.
Do the world a favour and take a chill pill.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.12.02 20:22:00 -
[80]
Originally by: The Stiffmeister
Jesus man calm down, a google search took me to this "thread". I didn't see the dates, I just assumed that as i could still post a response it was recent. I didn't read everyones comments, I just wanted to have my say and congratulate CCP on their game.
Do the world a favour and take a chill pill.
Then this is a good lesson for you. Take a few seconds to read the post date before adding something to a dead thread. The mods will love you for it.
PS - Why isn't this locked yet? Where's the lovely Eris when you need her?
Originally by: rowbin hod
Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage.
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