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Xanthese
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Posted - 2008.01.05 16:24:00 -
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Edited by: Xanthese on 05/01/2008 16:24:24
My Brutix base shield values = 0% EM, 60% Exp, 40% Kin and 20% Therm.
I fitted a V-M15 braced multispectral shield matrix which gives all above 25% bonus.
My actual values are 25% EM, 70% Exp, 55% Kin and 40% Therm. I add another (no penalties for mounting 2 or more shown) actual values are 41% EM, 76% Exp, 64% Kin and 53% Therm.
I cant figure the math out. 
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Lt Angus
Caldari
the united
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Posted - 2008.01.05 16:26:00 -
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+25% of the remaining resistance hole
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Xanthese
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Posted - 2008.01.05 16:29:00 -
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Thank you hadn't thought of that one.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.01.05 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 05/01/2008 16:32:45
 Originally by: Lt Angus
+25% of the remaining resistance hole
^^What he said. So for instance say you have a current 35% resist and add a 25% resist. So, you get 25% of the remaining 65%. So, that adds 16.25% to your 35% for a total 51.25% resist.
To confuse things more you can get stacking penalties which decrease effectiveness of things like hardeners but the above is the base of it all.
EDIT: Note that having it done this way means you can never achieve 100% resists.
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Zaqar
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Posted - 2008.01.05 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Zaqar on 05/01/2008 16:32:53
Additionally they are subject to the 'stacking penalty', so each subsequent one you add gives less effect than the previous.
e: beaten
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Sha4d13
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Posted - 2008.01.05 17:42:00 -
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incidentally- please dont shield tanka brutix:-) Its an armour tanker and you are wasting its abilities if you shield tank it.
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flashfreaking
LFC
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2008.01.05 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sha4d13
incidentally- please dont shield tanka brutix:-) Its an armour tanker and you are wasting its abilities if you shield tank it.
What he said xD
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Xanthese
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Posted - 2008.01.05 22:59:00 -
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i thought if it got through your shield forget it and run
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Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
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Posted - 2008.01.05 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Xanthese
i thought if it got through your shield forget it and run
If you are "through your shield" stage, they won't let you to run
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.01.05 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Xanthese
i thought if it got through your shield forget it and run
For some races ships yes, for others the shield is intended to give you time to react and when it falls you can start repairing your armour as it is damaged. In the case of the Brutix you get a 7.5% bonus per level of how many armour hit points your armour repairers restore each time they activate. You lose this if you don't use armour repairers in combat.
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Xanthese
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Posted - 2008.01.05 23:05:00 -
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sorry shield start getting hammered - run 
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Talking Elmo
Gallente
Hogans Heroes
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Posted - 2008.01.05 23:08:00 -
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no.. the fun doesn't even begin until you're into armor with an armor tanker. As stated above, use armor hardners and armor repairers on that ship, forget about the shields.
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Xanthese
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Posted - 2008.01.05 23:09:00 -
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All sci-fi progs - from year dot - shields are your main form of defence - chobham armour on (real) tanks are a virtual shield as we don't yet have the technology to make them
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.01.05 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: Adonis 4174 on 05/01/2008 23:12:38
Excuse me?
The shields on the Millennium Falcon were hacked on by Chewbacca, that ship does not come with a deflector shield as standard.
Edit: Oh and TIE Fighters don't get them. They rely on blobbing tactics. I think by All Scifi progs you mean Star Trek.
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The Herrick
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.05 23:12:00 -
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The Brutix has shields?
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Xanthese
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Posted - 2008.01.05 23:13:00 -
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so chewie put on shields - co's he knew they were primary form of defence - not secondary or tertiariary
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.01.05 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Xanthese
so chewie put on shields - co's he knew they were primary form of defence - not secondary or tertiariary
Yes, you are correct. Sadly Gallente ship designers disagree with you. If you like shields train Caldari.
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Xanthese
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Posted - 2008.01.05 23:18:00 -
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yeah i know - most of my mates are caldari - i play fought one the other day - he got through my shields before i'd knocked his down 25% - i cried UNCLE
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The Herrick
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.05 23:20:00 -
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Or Minmatar, I'm pretty sure the Cyclone has a shield booster bonus.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.01.05 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Xanthese
yeah i know - most of my mates are caldari - i play fought one the other day - he got through my shields before i'd knocked his down 25% - i cried UNCLE
Because you are in a ship which is meant to take armour damage and laugh at it, while your friends are flying ships with cardboard armour and good shields. A properly setup Brutix can last a long time in armour while most Caldari ships will go through armour in next to no time once their shields are gone.
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Xanthese
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Posted - 2008.01.05 23:22:00 -
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on armour repairers - 7.5% of near enough nothing = ?
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Xanthese
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Posted - 2008.01.05 23:25:00 -
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Because you are in a ship which is meant to take armour damage and laugh at it, while your friends are flying ships with cardboard armour and good shields. A properly setup Brutix can last a long time in armour while most Caldari ships will go through armour in next to no time once their shields are gone.
if i can't get through his shields what use is armour ? - he is through my shields - ive lost 1 level of defence - he still has shields
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.01.05 23:33:00 -
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If he can't get through your armour what use are his shields?
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Laura Steel
The Chaotic Order
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.01.05 23:34:00 -
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An armour tanker would lose its shields before a shield tanker.
I'm sure there is a Shield Vs Armour tanking debate on the forums somewhere <_<
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.01.05 23:34:00 -
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Sigh.
Look, it's simple: If a ship gets bonuses to its shield resists or shield repair amount, it uses its shields for defense. This describes most Caldari and a few Minmatar ships. Every defense module you equip should contribute to your shields if you are in a "shield-tanking" ship. Once its shields are gone, its "tank" has been "broken".
If a ship gets bonuses to its armor resists or armor repair amount, it uses its armor for defense. This describes most Gallente, Amarr, and a fair number of Minmatar ships. Every defense module you equip should contribute to your armor if you are in an "armor-tanking" ship. The shield usually goes down fairly quickly, but this is fine because the armor is the main defense.
Class dismissed. Any questions?
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The Herrick
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.05 23:37:00 -
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Armor
+ Natural high EM resistance
+ Leaves mid slots of utility/eletronic warfaire
+ More capacitor efficent
+ Can have a large HP buffer without increasing signature
radius
+ low CPU use
-Lack of low slots for speed/damage mods
-Weak Explosive resistance
-relatively large lag between rep activation and damage repped
-large HP buffers increase weight thus lower speed and agility
-High grid use
Shields
+Very good at burst damage repping
+Leave low slots for damage/speed mods (and caldari need all the speed they can get)
+Natural high Explosive resistance
+Can have large HP buffer without adding weight
+Low grid use
-Not as cap efficient
-zero base EM resistance (lol, lasers)
-HP buffers vastly increase sig radius making you easier to lock and get hit by bigger weapons
-Lack of mid slots (bad for solo pvp)
-High cpu use
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Xanthese
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Posted - 2008.01.05 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn
Sigh.
Look, it's simple: If a ship gets bonuses to its shield resists or shield repair amount, it uses its shields for defense. This describes most Caldari and a few Minmatar ships. Every defense module you equip should contribute to your shields if you are in a "shield-tanking" ship. Once its shields are gone, its "tank" has been "broken".
If a ship gets bonuses to its armo(U)r resists or armo(U)r repair amount, it uses its armo(U)r for defense. This describes most Gallente, Amarr, and a fair number of Minmatar ships. Every defense module you equip should contribute to your armo(U)r if you are in an "armo(U)r-tanking" ship. The shield usually goes down fairly quickly, but this is fine because the armo(U)r is the main defense.
Class dismissed. Any questions?
yes you have three defences - Shield = primary * armo(U)r = secondary (don't forget the U in armour) and structure = Tertiary (you are dead) - sorry about armour but im English
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.01.05 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Xanthese
yes you have three defences - Shield = primary * armo(U)r = secondary (don't forget the U in armour) and structure = Tertiary (you are dead)
You keep saying that and it keeps not being that simple.
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sorry about armour but im English
Now look here old bean just because we're English doesn't mean we have an obligation to teach these ... foreigners how to spell. Let them work out their own grammar while we go get some tea and biscuits, what?
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Xanthese
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Posted - 2008.01.05 23:50:00 -
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f'nog - who is wrong ?
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.01.05 23:51:00 -
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Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 05/01/2008 23:51:14
Originally by: Xanthese
yes you have three defences - Shield = primary * armo(U)r = secondary (don't forget the U in armour) and structure = Tertiary (you are dead) - sorry about armour but im English
My point is that you have three basic choices for defense in this game:
1.) Make your shield very strong.
2.) Make your armor very strong.
3.) Make your shield and armor both mediocre.
95% of people with a brain go for 1.) or 2.), because they're the easiest to fit and most effective in almost all cases. They neglect their "weak" defense; it's there, but it is neglected. A Drake needs to flee once his shield is gone, and a Myrmidon needs to flee once his armor is close to being gone (note that both ships treat their "weak" defense as though it's barely there at all).
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