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DrStrangelove
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Posted - 2004.03.20 12:52:00 -
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Listen I donĘt mean to knock CA but you guys really need to calm it with the numbers attitude. We all knew what was going on. You donĘt think we cannot see the incoming curse ships from Vol? You guys make a nice big dot on the map. We knew the only way we could get a fight was to divide and conquer (simple and very important rule of war).
We started off in HED-GP with a group of RUS pilots in the system. We knew they were not going to engage until the rest of the CA joined up so we decided to attack the incoming CA fleet before they could meet up with the RUS guys. It would be stupid of us to just sit around twiddling our fingers while CA organize their numbers and amass a huge fleet.
While we headed for the income CA fleet RUS decide to chase. This allowed us the opportunity to engage the RUS fleet by surprise. We then destroyed most of the RUS ships. During that fight, the CA fleet from Vol came warping in. This is when the odds were just simply too great for us to continue. So we disengaged content with our 9 confirmed Battleship kills and only 4 losses.
However, the main point of this is to show that even though CA had more then 3 times our numbers we managed to outsmart them, outmaneuver them, and most importantly keep them separated for as long as we could. Yes there numbers were split into various regions but that is why we came out on top.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.20 12:57:00 -
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A history lesson and a lesson in PvP in one post.
Awesome.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Iluyen
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Posted - 2004.03.20 13:00:00 -
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Iluyen,
Have you got evidence to back up those claims?
Quite a conspiracy theory but it's possible, I guess.
Are you really SO good that Evol need to use out-of-game measures to take you out?
I have the evidence I need yes, I can see my firewall counter while I'm playing Eve, and before I mentioned it on here I could relate the hits to what was happening to eve.
If you think I'm gonna take the trouble to simultaneously take loads of SS and logs to prove my point for a bunch of lamers like EVOL your sorely mistaken though.
As for being hard to kill I don't think it takes very much skill not to be killed in this game if thats what your playing the game for. This is the way evol plays and the amount of losses they still suffer even though they run at the first sign of resistance is a testament to their incompetence.
On the other hand if you do engage in combat (I.e. not the evol jumping in at 120km) anyone can be killed. EVOL killed me the other day because I chose to engage shrike and ghengis 2 vs 2 with 6 other enemies in system. I nearly managed to do what I was trying (killing the scorp before the others jumped in) but Ghenghis just jumped out and a tackler frigate just got me before I warped.
Now if I would play not to die I wouldnt have engaged (I was in jumpin range of the gate) and wouldnt have died. I play this game to have fun though so I took the risk.
As for EVOL either shrike or sutty said on this board they play to win. I guess we play this game for a different reason, wich is fine. What is not fine is the level EVOL stoops to to win. I think them using the "tactics" they use has more to with their way of playing the game wich imo is just sad.
Btw I don't know where you got the idea that I'm claiming to be any better then the next pilot to be singled out by evol. Guess that means they use it on other pilots to  .
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Iluyen
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Posted - 2004.03.20 13:02:00 -
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Edited by: Iluyen on 20/03/2004 13:05:20
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Tibor Ferenc
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Posted - 2004.03.20 13:07:00 -
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You're just making **** up for you inability to win against us.
You have retreated from the last 2 large battles, when numbers become equal you run. Your number of ganks is dropping, and you include them in your fleet battle kill list. It is much easier to put across good figures when you are the attacking force on an alliance. But the growing aggresive nature of your posts highlights your frustration.
C'mon m8 try not not to talk to much cr@p it was hardly even numbers when you arrived en-mass. From my recolection there was 10 BS in our gang after the intial fight due to the loss of a few members lexus twd arkad and javi i think. and i remember local going up to over 30 so pls dont be retarded.
I think that all of the community knows we ALWAYS fight if there is even numbers, it is in fact our enemy who insists on the odds due to there inferior skills.
All we do is fight, we are good at it, good enuf to beat an enemy of even numbers and even greater (but not to great). Belive me if we have an enemy of even numbers we WILL fight it as thats what we do FIGHT.
So go lie somwhere else pls chow.
Tib.
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Zloba
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Posted - 2004.03.20 13:10:00 -
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bla bla bla...
While we headed for the income CA fleet RUS decide to chase. This allowed us the opportunity to engage the RUS fleet by surprise.
We jumped in to koe. RUS attacked, not you.
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We then destroyed most of the RUS ships. During that fight, the CA fleet from Vol came warping in. This is when the odds were just simply too great for us to continue. So we disengaged content with our 9 confirmed Battleship kills and only 4 losses.
In this fight we lost 7 bships. You retreated, we collcted loot. We picked up some rare items, so isk wise your losses is close to ours.
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Iluyen
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Posted - 2004.03.20 13:13:00 -
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Imo the reason we bring as many as we can for a fight (next to people just wanting to fight) is the fact you fly with evol who do not engage when outnumbered and have a habit of leaving large forces logged to join the fight when it starts.
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TWD
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Posted - 2004.03.20 13:18:00 -
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Who cares about ISK?
you can always duplicate some megacyte ;) |
Zloba
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Posted - 2004.03.20 13:24:00 -
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if so, you will never win
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Tibor Ferenc
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Posted - 2004.03.20 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Tibor Ferenc on 20/03/2004 13:32:08
Zeloba pls dont for an instant think that we dont have the economic wealth to back up our fighing. If you amassed the personal wealth of all of m0o members im sure we could make many so called "mega-corps" blush.
Tib.
edit- BTW I gotta say props to all involved in the fight was real good fun lets try not to take things to seriously.
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.03.20 14:47:00 -
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Keep the real-life politics/war talks out of it, please 
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Iluyen
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Posted - 2004.03.20 14:50:00 -
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In that case please wipe the Drstrangelove and Josh post about rl wars as well. You really should try hiding your bias better in future.
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AsInnocentAsItGets
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Posted - 2004.03.20 15:34:00 -
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The problem with waging war in this game is that it is so easy to escape. In Curse we have a severly outnumbered force, even if they would be as good as they claim, they would still die if any sensible rules applied. This game makes "wars" quite impossible. In no other game I have played has it been so easy to evade the enemy. Here they just log off or disapear to safespots when it suits them.
If it wasn't for the game making it so easy to not fight when you don't want. Evo and m0o would be long dead. Very dead. They live because they can vanish when they want.
Quoting historical commanders just makes it more pathetic
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Tibor Ferenc
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Posted - 2004.03.20 15:49:00 -
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Yup i gotta agree the game mechanics make it possible for a small organised force to tackle a bigger enemy. However bearing this in mind space is BIG and im sure that 2 enemies with similar technology would be able to hide in it if need be.
When 2 corps take on the largest militery might in the game it is inevitable the 2 will have to use superior tactics. We will fight as long are the numbers are managable and when they are not we withdraw, we would be fools (dead fools) if we stayed to fight triple our numbers.
Tib.
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UnFriendly Fire
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Posted - 2004.03.20 15:55:00 -
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The problem with waging war in this game is that it is so easy to escape. In Curse we have a severly outnumbered force, even if they would be as good as they claim, they would still die if any sensible rules applied. This game makes "wars" quite impossible. In no other game I have played has it been so easy to evade the enemy. Here they just log off or disapear to safespots when it suits them.
If it wasn't for the game making it so easy to not fight when you don't want. Evo and m0o would be long dead. Very dead. They live because they can vanish when they want.
Quoting historical commanders just makes it more pathetic
Thats a good thing, not everyone wants to fight a big blob war. It would just be the biggest alliance wins.
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.03.20 15:56:00 -
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If it wasn't for the game making it so easy to not fight when you don't want. Evo and m0o would be long dead. Very dead. They live because they can vanish when they want.
This goes both ways.
Your fighters spends alot of time at safespots too.
It seems that you have forgot that the whole Curse Alliance would have been dead months ago if it wasn't for game mechanics such as this.
So don't make cheap points that only make yourself look like an idiot. Or maybe that's why you use an alt to post with?
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Bizarre
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Posted - 2004.03.20 15:59:00 -
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So, has CA lost 100 battleships yet?
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.03.20 16:01:00 -
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More on the topic...
Yea, the original RUS top players deserves respect.
They are good fighters and they are really in for the fight. They stand and fight, close and personal, with lots of ships destroyed on both sides.
The complete opposite to most of the players in EVE. Pleasure to fight them.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.03.20 16:41:00 -
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when decent pvp'rs face very good pvp'rs, the decent pvp'rs get killed. that's how it happened.
Hmm, as I recall RUS were the first corp to kick the crap out of m0o shortly after BS's were introduced... long before anyone had heard of evolution.
Not quite nublar. Leshiy and technolisa killed j0rt and ywev cus geddons completely owned dominixs. Ywew with an mwd equipped lasted 10 seconds and by the time j0rt had warped in was already dead. j0rt quickly followd suit. Not quite owned m0o, but sure they won that fight. Weve killed them plenty of times also though.
Note this is back when people could stack heatsinks for huge dmg mods, and lasers were the best weapons in the game, and the armageddons ROF bonus. o_O
As far is I know they used 7 425 dual scouts and 8 Gyro 1's. Insane.
Our standard dominix setup at the time was 2 x 1200mm 2 x 800mm 2 425 dual scouts and 7 Gyro 1's.. (also pretty insane :P)
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.03.20 17:06:00 -
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heheh Leshiy is still alive 
Btw why brave M0O warriors don't atack us when 6 BS were in Keberz at the gate to HED and 2 BS were at the HED on a safe?I tell you why.They just scared of us
P.S. Meet you tonight brave M0O pilots....
Might of had something to do with the 11bships and 7 frigates you had in hed-gp
Sass
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.03.20 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Sassinak on 20/03/2004 17:36:04
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OMG Jim Raynor doesn't know how to get an IP so noone can, hence DOS attacks are impossible.
I could think of a few ways, but I'm pretty damn sure none of us go through the effort to obtain them. You're just making **** up for you inability to win against us.
Oh, how come your so sure? You all play together from one room or something? My firewall isnt agreeing with you I'm afraid,
or at least wasn't. I mentioned I saw when evol was around on my firewall in another thread alrdy and coincidence the amount of intrusions on my computer while playing eve has dropped dramaticly since.
But you right we can't win against you, every time we get an equal force you run for the safespots.
OMG whats all this run away with even numbers bull****..
Were not the ones who blob up till we have overwhelming forces then make a move..
Weve been in several even fights. E02 anyone? WE WON...
Yesterday the fight started SLIGHTLY in our favour against RUS alone, but kept pouring in ships, and then more ships and then some more ships. Oh and errr we won. Come on CA I thought you were better than this.. claiming that as soon as your reinforments arrived we started to die.. yes of course. we were outnumbered more than 2:1 and yet we hung around as long as we could and inflicted as much damage as possible.. My respect for RUS for fighting honourably and not moaning... Wish i could say the same about some of you lot..
The DOS attack bull**** is just pathetic im afraid.
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But you right we can't win against you, every time we get an equal force you run for the safespots.
Right, so when you outnumbered us in HLW the other night, when we killed monk the first time at a gate and no one helped? While we were outnumbered?? Tell me.. where were you all sitting at teh time? SAFESPOT MAYBE? Enough of the bull**** now k?
A very dissapointed,
Sass
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IIIIIIIII
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Posted - 2004.03.20 17:21:00 -
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wow. CA is losing fight after fight so they are crying dos attacks and ctd's.
monk crying, iluyen crying.
i would have never guessed.
iluyen, you are an embarrassment to the CA. someday when youre all growed up you may have enough man in you to just admit when youre outclassed.
to the ppl who campaign that m0ovolution runs from fair fights, lol. youre lying, or your just dont know.
also, another lol goes out to the people who are crying because we choose to fight when we want to, as opposed to when you want us to.
you have like 50435 pilots. put like 30 in each system. quit crying.
to all the real CA fighters, who aren't big babies and cry like iluyen and monk i would just like to say
gg, and good fights. |
Iluyen
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Posted - 2004.03.20 17:35:00 -
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wow. CA is losing fight after fight so they are crying dos attacks and ctd's.
monk crying, iluyen crying.
i would have never guessed.
iluyen, you are an embarrassment to the CA. someday when youre all growed up you may have enough man in you to just admit when youre outclassed.
to the ppl who campaign that m0ovolution runs from fair fights, lol. youre lying, or your just dont know.
also, another lol goes out to the people who are crying because we choose to fight when we want to, as opposed to when you want us to.
you have like 50435 pilots. put like 30 in each system. quit crying.
to all the real CA fighters, who aren't big babies and cry like iluyen and monk i would just like to say
gg, and good fights.
All this posts proves is your a moron that can't count. And yes you do run from fair fights. You even log people off so you can whine from your safespot that your outnumberd then wait for enough people to get bored so you can attack outnumbering us. All very very mature classy tactics.
Evol couldn' even outclass a cow in a dress.
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.03.20 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Zap on 20/03/2004 18:29:04
Edited by: Lord Zap on 20/03/2004 17:44:18
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wow. CA is losing fight after fight so they are crying dos attacks and ctd's.
monk crying, iluyen crying.
i would have never guessed.
iluyen, you are an embarrassment to the CA. someday when youre all growed up you may have enough man in you to just admit when youre outclassed.
to the ppl who campaign that m0ovolution runs from fair fights, lol. youre lying, or your just dont know.
also, another lol goes out to the people who are crying because we choose to fight when we want to, as opposed to when you want us to.
you have like 50435 pilots. put like 30 in each system. quit crying.
to all the real CA fighters, who aren't big babies and cry like iluyen and monk i would just like to say
gg, and good fights.
All this posts proves is your a moron that can't count. And yes you do run from fair fights. You even log people off so you can whine from your safespot that your outnumberd then wait for enough people to get bored so you can attack outnumbering us. All very very mature classy tactics.
Evol couldn' even outclass a cow in a dress.
Guess what? Killing your ships and then hiding when you amass 4:1 odds is a great tactic, it works, no matter how lame you say it is. Delaring us to be hacking your ts server or exploiting is just plain pathetic. Its akin to stomping your feet and spitting your dummy out, is that how you want people to view you? All it requires is a GG.
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2004.03.20 17:55:00 -
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Most CA members dont beleive anyone is DOS'ing us in game.
Just a silly rumour that got out of hand and some people took seriously.
Mercenary | The Azath |
Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.03.20 18:00:00 -
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I have no complaints about Black Omega Corp - its been a pleasure to fight with you, and is a pleasure to fight against you. VOTF is a totally different story tho...
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.03.20 18:04:00 -
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I think that this entire thread serves as proof possitive that we need a Kill Eve-mail as well as an official kill list that is downloadable (as Morkt suggested).
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Tibor Ferenc
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Posted - 2004.03.20 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: Tibor Ferenc on 20/03/2004 18:07:29
Im with Baun here we need the kill mails. It is getting tired having ppl lie about kill's.
tib.
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AsInnocentAsItGets
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Posted - 2004.03.20 19:06:00 -
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dalman wrote:
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This goes both ways.
Your fighters spends alot of time at safespots too.
It seems that you have forgot that the whole Curse Alliance would have been dead months ago if it wasn't for game mechanics such as this.
So don't make cheap points that only make yourself look like an idiot. Or maybe that's why you use an alt to post with?
No denial about that. I just think its a bit wrong. This game lacks tactical objectives. It lacks the planning and strategy needed for a more serious type of war. It lacks efficient ways of "claiming" and holding territories. In many ways it doesn't have a good connection between resources, territories and logistics.
War just degrade in a hide'n'seek and forum flamefest.
It isn't about who is "the best PvP" or who has the biggest army. Simply... it lacks a lot of the major components of what a "war" should be.
It will change with interceptors capable of finding people in space, deployable turrets and deployable warpscramblers that has a range to speak of.
Then.. maybe we can talk about holding territories and waging war.
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Dolemite2K
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Posted - 2004.03.20 19:57:00 -
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I wish we could figth this war in game rather then on the forums and on local. The figths i've been in so far has been good fun and I'm looking forwards to more. Lets just play the GAME and have some fun, why is that so damn hard for some people?
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