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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.03.20 00:04:00 -
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today i did some nice Gate campping and killed peeps
not as powerful ofcorse as before - Tempest got still enought to take down Frig/indy and even some weak cruiser
just remeber to stach the right mods 
So... Share urs "after Yulai incident" gate campping experiences 
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.03.20 00:19:00 -
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ok ok.. mowe this to Crime and punishment - maybe there some one cears abaut 
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Archemedes
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Posted - 2004.03.20 01:06:00 -
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I can see it now...
In 2 months we'll have 300km range sentry guns and fleets of 10 pirates sitting at 310km using tons of remote boosters on one Typhoon... 
Camping with sentry guns is still going to happen, it just takes a really long range gun like a 1400mm. As long as we don't have another 'Yulai incident' where CONCORD can't kill high-security gankers then gate camping is no big deal. After all, in the systems you can camp in without CONCORD showing up people can just fly out there beyond sentry gun range and shoot YOU too... 
(which is of course how it SHOULD be)
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.03.20 12:10:00 -
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I can see it now...
In 2 months we'll have 300km range sentry guns and fleets of 10 pirates sitting at 310km using tons of remote boosters on one Typhoon...
LoL 
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Christa Larne
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Posted - 2004.03.20 12:37:00 -
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I always like it when people trumpet their cowardice on the forums and seem to think people will be amazed at their cleverness. Anyone can buy a sniper rifle, hide at long range, and kill targets that cant defend themselves. This tactic will always exist, and people will always see it as the same cowardly school-yard bullying tactic that all 12-year-olds think is so clever.
I just hope these people still are 12-years-old and are not adults who still think like they are that age.
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Karunel
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Posted - 2004.03.20 13:48:00 -
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Actually, wiping gate camping is kinda senseless, I mean it's the only place you could have non-consensual PvP. Guess CCP is clearing the way for Shiva and the station-centered PvP that should follow, but still.
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Monica Scuro
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Posted - 2004.03.20 15:05:00 -
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Actually, wiping gate camping is kinda senseless, I mean it's the only place you could have non-consensual PvP. Guess CCP is clearing the way for Shiva and the station-centered PvP that should follow, but still.
Yeah karunels post is kind of senseless, as there are asteroid belts, outide stations in 0.0 at gates in 0.0, at planets in other systems, at the moons... ect where you can have non consensual pvp. Just 180km from a gate is the only place you can gank from afar with little effort or danger to yourselves.
But still maybe this game is about one sided fun where 10's of people get ganked and one person sits there giggling from afar... I think not, and ccp are expertly steering the emphasis away from these players thankfully.
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Lomithrandra
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Posted - 2004.03.20 15:26:00 -
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Cleaned up a little.
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Eco Smith
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Posted - 2004.03.20 15:31:00 -
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Cleaned up a little.
Aw. :)
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Czar Marcus
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Posted - 2004.03.20 16:33:00 -
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Why can't we just get along? From 300 km away, your 1400mm howitzer will do 0.05 damage. Concord will be whooping you before anything else pops.
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juel
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Posted - 2004.03.20 16:54:00 -
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Fine. Only thing i'll say is gate camping is the cowardly way.
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Jin'Bing Ju
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Posted - 2004.03.20 17:00:00 -
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Gatecampers have to be the laziest people in eve. How freakin boring.
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Blue Pill
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Posted - 2004.03.20 19:07:00 -
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You should try it sometime, it's real fun.
Pick a good gate and you'll get one ship after another.
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Morlock
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Posted - 2004.03.20 19:11:00 -
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you buy an awp in round 3 in counterstrike hey?
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Achec
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Posted - 2004.03.20 19:30:00 -
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Quote:
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Actually, wiping gate camping is kinda senseless, I mean it's the only place you could have non-consensual PvP. Guess CCP is clearing the way for Shiva and the station-centered PvP that should follow, but still.
Yeah karunels post is kind of senseless, as there are asteroid belts, outide stations in 0.0 at gates in 0.0, at planets in other systems, at the moons... ect where you can have non consensual pvp. Just 180km from a gate is the only place you can gank from afar with little effort or danger to yourselves.
But still maybe this game is about one sided fun where 10's of people get ganked and one person sits there giggling from afar... I think not, and ccp are expertly steering the emphasis away from these players thankfully.
What she said 
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Achec
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Posted - 2004.03.20 19:31:00 -
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you buy an awp in round 3 in counterstrike hey?
Its all about knifing :)
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.03.20 19:50:00 -
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kill camping in low sec and travelling there is 100% safe.
oops, i forgot it again, that s exactly what ppl want...
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Jin'Bing Ju
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Posted - 2004.03.20 21:42:00 -
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Edited by: Jin'Bing Ju on 20/03/2004 21:53:42
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kill camping in low sec and travelling there is 100% safe.
oops, i forgot it again, that s exactly what ppl want...
No that's not what people want. That would be just as boring. What people want is the thrill of the chase.
I myself would like to see pirates analogous to sharks of the sea or a pride of lions roaming the wild. Patrolling. Hunting. Stalking their prey. And I'm pretty sure that's what CCP would like too. Yeah it is harder than just sitting their, but its more of a thrill when you get your victim because you've earned it.
Think about the most successful predators on Earth. The lion is considered king of the predators, but in a days work one pride will only get 1 out of 7 animals it attacks. Yes, even with a successful predator, 80%+ get away. The same is true for sharks, leopards, tigers, etc. But that just makes it all the more sweet when you do get your prey. The climax of the stalk is when you finally get to your prey captured and helpless in your evil web of scramblers and webifiers, and you sink your tachyon fangs into the juicy metallic hide of your prey and watch its plasma-like blood spew into the cold darkness.
But to do that players must more active in their pirating. Patrolling the belts and stations. Jumping into regions where they've detected elevated activity and taking a look around the belts and station in hopes of finding a mining ops underprotected.
But alas, do we get pirates like that?
No.
Despite the efforts of CCP to entice pirates into more creative and active gameplay, we mostly get lazy, boring gate parkers that act more like dull-old swamp frogs waiting for some flies.
*sign* how dull
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.03.20 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: McWatt on 20/03/2004 22:10:20
sorry, i don t want to desillusion you (and my knowledge of wildlife is next to none existant) or take away your romantic view of predators.
but i d be astonished if you d find the majority of them acting in the way you describe.
especially the "king" looks rather lazy to me, while prey in abundance is walking all around him.
most predators seem to lay low and wait for one final jump/sprint.
human hunters, btw, tend to do the same. (patience being the attribute mentioned the most, isn t it?)
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Despite the efforts of CCP to entice pirates into more creative and active gameplay, ...
enlighten me, how exactly did they "entice" pirates??? (nice word, btw)
the sentry guns around stations forbid webbing/warp scrambling. actually ccp has done it s best to nerf "romantic", "real" and "nice" pirates even more than the dirty ones.
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.03.20 22:12:00 -
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Predators almost exclusively hunt young, weak, old or diseased animals as they pose less of a threat to the predators' well-being, as well as being easier to catch, eg, saving resources
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Lord Azraiel
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Posted - 2004.03.21 07:22:00 -
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Aye, well put Orestes
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GodEmperor
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Posted - 2004.03.21 08:24:00 -
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i agree with gate camping being boring and its got to be the lamest pirate wannabes that do it...instead of just sitting there hr's and hr's killing ppl soon as they decloak how about getting off your collective butts and actually work for your living...
...put sentry guns on all gates but also give the cry babies (err pirates) some skills that allow them to track down ppl in systems, that way they actaully have to travel a few km's to get some loot...
..or make jump in points random in the systems instead of jumping to the gate where they have 5 bs's waiting to kill someone in an indy...really brave of them lol
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.03.21 09:02:00 -
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dear godemporer,
the fact remains, if camping is made impossible, travelling becomes 100% safe.
other facts are:
* the money is at the gates, not in the belts. to kill camping has a huge effect on trade/production. is this intented?
* ppl in belts are equaly unequipted and generally unhappy about being attacked as ppl at gates are. biggest difference is that ppl in belts have even a greater chance of escape.
but you all know this, and simply decided to ignore it, didn t you?
you want moving pirates? how about the following deal:
everyone gets one free kill per day per low sec system. no sentry gun reaction at all. (hell, even limit it to one kill per account)
wouldn t this change pirates into the roaming predators you all want them to be?
wouldn t it allow for tolling and generally make pirates think more about whom to kill? (end of the noob killer myth, perhaps?)
wouldn t it drive them into the camps you re laying for them?
oh, i know, you ppl would love this change!
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Joebob McSkittle
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Posted - 2004.03.21 10:10:00 -
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But how much damage do you do each shot?
Can you kill a frig of an indy with shield boosters?
When I go through possible camped areas, I usually use a sheild booster on my ship, or some shield chargers. Now that the range is so long, I would think that the damage is less.
When you use a few small shield boosters on an indy, and time them just right, you can get a nice flow of re-charge. It has saved me from several camps, but that was pre-Yulai... |
Judicator
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Posted - 2004.03.21 10:21:00 -
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Ye, go afeter tje noobs. Eafsier an dles awste o fresspoiufr
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Karunel
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Posted - 2004.03.21 11:10:00 -
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hmmm as a matter of fact I'd like to say that I'm not a gate camper and if I was involved in such a fight I'd be surely in the ganked side. Still, I think it's safe to say that with the exceptions of war a lot of PvP occurs at gates as it's kinda easy to flee from an asteroid belt if you're a bit aware of your surroundings.
That doesn't mean I'm all for "omgomg 10vs1funfun!!1" gate ganking, but making travel safer and safer isn't really the point; I mean the game's been becoming safer for travellers since day 1, and I don't really think that's good for the game.
Best regards,
Karunel
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.03.21 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Siddy on 21/03/2004 11:25:54
Well, Thank u for all ur replys
i see that there is still many ppls that disaprove the gatecampping - even if u got to do it from 151Km
and i find it kind a sad - because while i was gatecampping - u cant Believe how many Peoples are Traveling AFK in 0.4 - areas
now that ppls feel "safer" - they alse bring beter goods to 0.4- and i am gratefull of that
but i am bored of that EVE mail spamm i get: U Exploitter!! i am going Petettion ur Asss and u will be banned fro life, etc.... 
In my point of View - Gates are like Rivers or Lakes - evre pray evedently must come
so it only natural thing that they are ocasionaly campped - atleast they shuld be!
Because right now indy got 60% or more chanse to get out before i can p0p itfrom 151km+
i dont see gate campping as a major problem for 0.4- areas anymore
So - all u pirates that feel u are whitout a job - Stack Trakking Computers, Stack Sensor boosters - And Go make 0.4 Areas Unsafe once agen! 
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Ankh
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Posted - 2004.03.21 13:15:00 -
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Predators almost exclusively hunt young, weak, old or diseased animals as they pose less of a threat to the predators' well-being, as well as being easier to catch, eg, saving resources
The food chain analogy is a good one. In rl, there are many herbivore animals per hunting carnivore, the herbivores survive in large numbers because the odds are in their favour. In EVE, if the balance is not right, care-bears will become extinct if it is not possible to make a living with the attrition caused by pirating. Result: care-bears become extinct, pirates have no food source and they become extinct too. End of EVE as we know it.
So don't knock the care bears, you need them.
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Archa
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Posted - 2004.03.21 13:18:00 -
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Did you guys ever realise that gate camping at 150 km is very risky?
Think about it. When i see a pirate at 150 km. I can insta warp to him because he is at warp range.
He is only equiped for long range fighting and probably has 4 or 5 sensor boosters instead of shield boosters etc.
Talking about really relaly reallyreal lyrea easy target.
I can't wait to find you guys camping at the gates.
cause i'll whoop your asses
greets
archa
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Buggsi
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Posted - 2004.03.21 13:24:00 -
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Will MMORG developers ever design a game where camping spawn points is not 'THEE' biggest problem?
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