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Louno
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Posted - 2008.01.07 01:19:00 -
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Ok i know everyone will be like " there is no best in eve " " it depends " bla bla bla ... Please dont post these , i know it already, but i just want some advices...
I am a Minmatar , Right now i have a BattleCruiser, I have skills for piloting assault ships ( frigate assault... wolf ). I could learn skills for a Battleship ? or i could go towards Heavy Assault Ships ?
I want to be able to do solo pvping, id also like to be good in group or huge fleet battles. so i guess versatility is a "must".
I know i might not be ready to do pvp right way, i still need to learn about the game n stuff but pvping is my goal and id like to start learning the required skills to be efficient, this is why i need to know the ship that i should be aiming at so i dont waste learning skills for large turret if id be in a heavy assault etc...
thanks for your advices !
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Auraurious
Quam Singulari
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.01.07 01:21:00 -
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personaly for what you say i think vaga>huginn would suit yoy nicely, they work solo and in gang.
Perfection.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.07 01:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Auraurious
personaly for what you say i think vaga>huginn would suit yoy nicely, they work solo and in gang.
Of course, actually getting a lot of targets in those is a pain, as nobody really wants to fight you and people will safe up / dock if possible.
Rifters!
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Auraurious
Quam Singulari
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.01.07 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Auraurious
personaly for what you say i think vaga>huginn would suit yoy nicely, they work solo and in gang.
Of course, actually getting a lot of targets in those is a pain, as nobody really wants to fight you and people will safe up / dock if possible.
its the same no matter what ship you are in a lot of the time, if people dont want to fight then they will do their up most not too.
and part of being good at pvp is forcing them into fighting, or getting ontop of them before they have a chance to say no.
Perfection.
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Malken
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.01.07 01:29:00 -
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hurricane is a inexpensive ship with good performance and mobility yet with decent firepower.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.07 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Auraurious
its the same no matter what ship you are in a lot of the time, if people dont want to fight then they will do their up most not too.
and part of being good at pvp is forcing them into fighting, or getting ontop of them before they have a chance to say no.
Very often, you get a fight because the other side wants a fight too, and nobody wants a fight they can't possibly win. Which is why sometimes the ship which is guaranteed to win isn't the best ship to fly.
Don't be the guy posting in C&P how solo PvP is dead and you can't get a fight because people do their best to run away when they see you on scanner, though. There is a beautiful post there detailing the problem ;)
I'll quote it, just because I like it so much:
Originally by: Atreides Horza
Like I told one of our younger players last night after we dropped four people on top of this poor guy in a thorax who engaged him in a belt: Getting 1vs1 fights is very much so like having sexual intercourse with a perfect stranger.
The whole thing starts long before you end up in bed. You flirt, showing your stuff from a distance, maybe to disappear and reappear a little later - to not look too desperate and predictable. You find out if your adversary is interested - you pop up in belts or at planets and see if they show up - and then sometimes, just sometimes, you get together and the magic happens.
Here's where it goes wrong, though, in pvp as well as in dealings of a more carnal nature:
1). When you don't show your opponent respect.
2). When you bring your friends to the party.
3). When your opponent brings friends to the party.
4). When you're too fast. Fun is mandatory for both parts. If it was meant to be just one part, they'd call it sexual course and PvMoron.
5). If you're fat and slow. In PvP as in love, personality is great and it's cool to make them laugh, but not in bed.
So, now you're probably wondering why we ganked that guy in the thorax, and how that works with the crap I just wrote about not bringing friends and mutual respect - but that was different. In that particular case, our young player was the proverbial prom queen, and I was the p*ssed off dad who showed up with a baseball bat when her horny date tried to do her on the porch.
... and as for our friend Elles D in his vagabond who's asking why he's not getting any? In correspondance with the analogy above, he looks like the kindda guy who'd talk sweet in your ear, get you to bed, do a miserable job at finishing prematurely, not bother with a kind word or a thank you - and to top it off, he'd brag to all his friends about it.
Rifters!
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Auraurious
Quam Singulari
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.01.07 01:45:00 -
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Edited by: Auraurious on 07/01/2008 01:46:58
Originally by: Cpt Branko
stuffs
you are mixing up two different things really, solo pvp is not necessarily 1v1.
and no matter what you are doing you can still usualy get them to engage using good tactics.
if its ratters you are affter then if you can scan them down and find there location before they notice/warp then you are fine and no matter what ship they are in they will be running.
if you are fighting other gang v gang hiding some of your best ships to lure them into thinking you are weak always works.
lastly if it is solo v other gangs then you will get a fight because im sure the gang likes their odds
EDIT : clarity (its late :()
Perfection.
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Hans Angry
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2008.01.07 02:28:00 -
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Edited by: Hans Angry on 07/01/2008 02:28:35
tbh it really depends where you want to go in the long run also, me, i trained HAC's and CS's in several different races, and specing them, because i think they are the best for belt piracy and small gangs. now, that doesnt mean bs's are bad, i now wish i did train for battleships sooner, because ive gotten back into 0.0 gangs where bs's are better, in my opinion, honestly though, its what your likings are, also the bs's will lead you more into capitals... also hurricane is really good if you spec it
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Naviset
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Posted - 2008.01.07 02:34:00 -
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I would say the best "general use for most situations" ship would actually be the battleship. You can roam with a few battleships in gang, and you'll definitely need a BS for fleet battles. I suppose you can fly support in fleets but contrary to popular belief of people who choose to, nobody gives a crap about support unless you're in a dictor. Move the fleet right and hacs etc dont matter :-P
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Daphne Oboe
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Posted - 2008.01.07 03:03:00 -
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In my own opinion I feel cruisers and battlecruisers are the most well-rounded ships. In your particular case, I think Minmatar recons would be worth looking into.
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jaybob35
PVP SCHOOL
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Posted - 2008.01.07 03:55:00 -
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go for a vagabond but u need to skill up alot of stuff so u dont get owned all the time. vagas arnt cheap when fitted. some skills u will need are high navagation skills the skill for large sheild ext 2, skills for mwd 2 and auto cannons tech 2. get ur gunnery skills up if ur minny this is important. u also need t2 drones [hogoblins or similar]. it will take quite awhile to get these skills , but the vaga is arguably the most effective hac and definatly the best ship in the game for getting though gate camps ect.imo. if u go bs go for a autocannon maelstrom and all the nessacary skills. hope it helps.
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Insidi Us
Amarr
Suicidal Mercenaries
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.01.07 05:43:00 -
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Originally by: jaybob35
hope it helps.
Hopefully more than your English teacher did.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
STK Scientific
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.01.07 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Insidi Us
Originally by: jaybob35
hope it helps.
Hopefully more than your English teacher did.
I think I see a vague connection between what you said and what your signature says 
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Storm Strike
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Posted - 2008.01.07 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Insidi Us
Originally by: jaybob35
hope it helps.
Hopefully more than your English teacher did.
I think I see a vague connection between what you said and what your signature says
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cal nereus
Hobos of War
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.07 10:28:00 -
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For small roaming gang PvP, out of the Minmatar ship selection, I would say look at one of these three ships: Huginn, Rapier, Sabre. Choose one of those and everyone in your gang will love you. Now, whether it's actually going to be fun or not is up to you. 
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Bacarday
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.01.07 17:54:00 -
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battleship... first, they are fully insurable. second, once you figure out what you want to kill, being able to fit large mods makes sure that you can do so very effectively.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.07 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Louno
Ok i know everyone will be like " there is no best in eve " " it depends " bla bla bla ... Please dont post these , i know it already, but i just want some advices...
I am a Minmatar , Right now i have a BattleCruiser, I have skills for piloting assault ships ( frigate assault... wolf ). I could learn skills for a Battleship ? or i could go towards Heavy Assault Ships ?
I want to be able to do solo pvping, id also like to be good in group or huge fleet battles. so i guess versatility is a "must".
I know i might not be ready to do pvp right way, i still need to learn about the game n stuff but pvping is my goal and id like to start learning the required skills to be efficient, this is why i need to know the ship that i should be aiming at so i dont waste learning skills for large turret if id be in a heavy assault etc...
thanks for your advices !
Hurricane. Excellent for solo, small group and even fleet duty. Its a great ship.
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Odium47
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Posted - 2008.01.07 18:04:00 -
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Interceptors and Interdictors !
Fast, damaging, hard to hit, cheap, disposable, easy replaceble...
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Orin Valari
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Posted - 2008.01.07 18:27:00 -
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I'm gonna echo what's being said about Battlecruisers and Battleships.
They pack a decent punch, and when fully insured don't cost much to lose.
The Hurricane is definitely a great ship for the cost.
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AnKahn
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.01.07 22:42:00 -
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I'm guessing (because I'm Caldari) that BC is a good choice for solo PvP roaming. It's also a good size for camping because of the faster lock time vs. BS.
For small gangs BC is also good because of agilty and speed. Sometimes BS get left behind if a gang is trying to bug out cause local just exploded.
However, for kill mail dominance the BS is king. Actually the CS is on par. Basically CS = BS except it has a BC hull and therefore BC agility and speed, so actually CS > BS.
But you can't insure a CS and they cost at least 2 X a BS, so without insurance your looking at 4 X the isk lost. Ouch.
Anyone with actual numbers feel free to correct me. I think I'm close or it might be worse.
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VB Sarge
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.01.07 23:06:00 -
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I'd suggest if you are first starting out, look at Cruisers more than the bigger ships. Rupture is often overlooked, and it is one very mean ship. I've seen Ruppies do unspeakable things to people that should have outclassed it. Plus, it's cheap, and doesn't need as many support skills as a Battleship does to be a very viable contender in PvP.
The Stabber isn't too bad either, but takes a different style of piloting to make it work. I've seen corp mates get a few solo kills in a Stabber, and the fact that it's faster, means you can force PvP on someone more often. You might not be able to tear up BC's as much as a Rupture can, but anything Cruiser sized and below you should have a good chance at taking out.
The Stabber is pretty good in a fleet as well, it's quick, nimble, and maneuverable so it can navigate around a battlefield a bit easier, but the Rupture can fit with Arty and sit back in the mid range area and focus on popping smaller ships and drones, definately helping the fleet.
The Hurricane is a very nice ship as well, but it's basically just a slightly bigger Rupture, and a little slower as well. It packs probabally the biggest punch in the gut damage wise vs all of the other BC's, and if it catches something small enough, will be sending them home in a Pod. Problems arise though, with the fact that it's bigger than a Cruiser and easier to hit. It's also slower. It does have more range than a Myrmidon, which is the only other BC I see as a good choice in PvP. It does lack a solid tank though, so be careful with that.
As far as getting into a BS... IMO They suck at most everything other than killing BC's and BS's. They take a LOT more skill points to be as effective also. Usually when people talk about something being effective, they aren't talking about using T1 guns and tank.
If you want to put a bit more SP in, I'd go for a Recon or a HAC, Minnies have some pretty good choices in that catergory, and can hold their own against any other ships their size, or even a little bigger.
I'd suggest try things out with a Rupture. More people will be willing to engage a Cruiser than they will a Battleship or a Battlecruiser even. Also, if your age is pretty young, you'll die pretty often while in a bigger ship.
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icechip
Caldari
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2008.01.07 23:56:00 -
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How can you even ask the question? Depends on what you want to kill, How expensive you want to go.
But with your fleet/gang i learn hac's first.
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Dubious Drewski
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Posted - 2008.01.08 01:53:00 -
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Edited by: Dubious Drewski on 08/01/2008 01:53:26
Originally by: Cpt Branko
I'll quote it, just because I like it so much:
Originally by: Atreides Horza
...Pure hilarity and wit...
Where is this from? I want to go to this thread to compliment this guy. That was a fantastic analogy.
My personal favourite pvp ships are battlecruisers, because at 10 mill SPs, it's the most appropriate ship for me to use and lose. But that's not relevant to what you were asking, so I'll go away now.
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Bager Gray
Gallente
COBRA INC
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:15:00 -
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I would say Battle cruiser. Great DMG, decent tank, Drake is awsome, and more manuverable than a bs. Its realy all a matter of personal taste realy. I know people who pwn ib Battles ships and wouldnt fly anything else, and i have a frend who pvp's mostly in assault frigs.
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