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Dirtstar
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Posted - 2008.01.07 14:44:00 -
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Hi
I just made a char and am new to the game. Im guessin the 'learning' based skills will help you in spades in the long run.
What whats should I train .. what ones should I level up first .. and do you guys think I should take them to level 4 each or go right to 5 right away?
Thanks so much for the time saved :)
Getting all rolled up and going .. then its time to find a corp .. WOOHOO
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Mozqito
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Posted - 2008.01.07 14:48:00 -
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Train Instant Recall and Analytical Mind sequentially up to level 4. After that you can train the other basic learning skills to level 4 in any order. This will benefit you greatly in the short run as well as the long run. When you have the cash, go for the advanced learning skills to level 4.
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Orin Valari
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Posted - 2008.01.07 14:48:00 -
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What I suggest to most n00bs is this:
Get "learning" to V.
Get all of the (rank 1) skills to IV and all of the (rank 3)skills to III
Then spend some time training other stuff or you'll go crazy, but it's worth getting the (rank 1) skills to V, and the (rank 3) skills to IV.
Also, you could probably skip Charisma skills entirely, or at least not take them as far as others.
Lastly, I suggest checking out EVEMon for planning your training schedule, and it will make suggestions for learning skills to see when they pay off.
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RaTTuS
BIG Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.01.07 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: RaTTuS on 07/01/2008 14:49:44 This forum will heap loads - try the stickies at the top. recommended is getting eve-mon
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Posted - 2008.01.07 14:49:00 -
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Hi Dirtstar and welcome to Eve Online
I have moved your topic to the New Citizens Q&A where these type of threads are generally discussed.
The one pievce of advice I would give is that all the basic learning skills have Memory as their primary attribute so developing that first can be a big help. Navigator, Community Representative EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang |
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Terazuk
Amarr Rogen's Heroes Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2008.01.07 14:52:00 -
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Hiya Dirtstar... pro tip for ya.... go here for a really cool tool to help you plan your way to the top.
Just try not to plan your life away, the numbers you will get will make you cry.. keep it short and focused for the win!
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Dirtstar
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Posted - 2008.01.07 19:19:00 -
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Thanks a lot guys!!
The EVE community is great!!
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Vivian Porter
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Posted - 2008.01.07 20:04:00 -
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Edited by: Vivian Porter on 07/01/2008 20:05:39 Just one comment on the ideal vs. real life ...
I've always eneded up with my skills scattered all over in their levels of training - because - the skill I trained had more to do with how much time I had to train it than what I really wanted to do.
The problem here was mostly having skills that were long enough to get through the night or an extended down time. The trouble here - is that you have to have some trained up to the point where they will last through the night. The only way to do that - is to train them while you're on.
That said - yeah - if you look at the show info for any skill it will show you which attributes effect it the most as primary and secondary attributes.
For the Learning Skills those are:
First tier Learning skills (Rank 1)
Learning (helps speed up all learning skills): Memory/Intelligence
Analytical Mind (Intelligence): Memory/Intelligence Empathy (Charisma): Memory/Intelligence Instant Recall (Memory): Memory/Intelligence Iron Will (Willpower): Memory/Intelligence Spatial Awareness (Perception): Memory/Intelligence
Second Tier Learning Skills (Rank 3)
Clarity (Perception): Perception/Willpower Eidetic Memory (Memory) : Memory/Intelligence Focus (Willpower): Willpower/Charisma Logic (Intelligence): Intelligence/Memory Presence (Charisma): Charisma/Perception
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Iria Ahrens
Amarr 101st Space Marine Force
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Posted - 2008.01.07 20:33:00 -
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remember that you do not need to train all of your Learning skills in one go. And don't forget augs.
one point in cybernetics increases all 6 attributes 1 point. So training cybernetics is 5 times more effective than any learning skill in raising your stats. So before you train 1 hour learning skills, train 1 hour in cybernetics. Before you train 2 day learning skills, train 2 days in cybernetics. And buy 2 augs, the augs for the learning skills you will train next.
Still, every skill is based on 2 stats. That is why you don't need to stop everything to train all of your learning skills. Most learning skills are based on int and mem. So train int and mem first. Train them to a reasonable level. I.e, if you want to train a skill that takes 3 hours, and you have a learning skill that takes 3 hours. Train the learning skill first. There is no need to train a 20 day learning skill before you train a 1 hour primary skill. Once your int and memory are as maxed as seems appropriate for the skills you want to train. Go ahead and train a bunch of int-mem skills.
Then train your perception learning skill, buy a perception aug, and then you can work on your mem-perception skills like drones. You should already have a mem aug from before.
Then train up your willpower learning skills, buy a willpower aug, and then spend some time training your will-per skills. You should already have a perception aug from before.
It's much more fun this way because it does not call a complete halt to your character's skill progress with more immediatly relevant skills.
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Helen Hunts
Gallente Red Dragon Mining inc Red Dragon Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.07 21:32:00 -
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Edited by: Helen Hunts on 07/01/2008 21:32:55
Originally by: Iria Ahrens remember that you do not need to train all of your Learning skills in one go. And don't forget augs.
one point in cybernetics increases all 6 attributes 1 point. So training cybernetics is 5 times more effective than any learning skill in raising your stats. So before you train 1 hour learning skills, train 1 hour in cybernetics. Before you train 2 day learning skills, train 2 days in cybernetics. And buy 2 augs, the augs for the learning skills you will train next.
Okay...I don't know where you got that bit of blarney, but Cybernetics only allows the use of Implants (brain augmentations). Cybernetics does NOT influence attributes directly. (and since when are there 6 attributes?)
Now for the facts. Cybernetics level 1 allows the usage of most implants, including the +3 attribute implants in slots 1-5. The +4 attribute implants require Cybernetics 4, and the +5's require Cybernetics 5.
Now, to the OP: Get and use EVEMon. Set up a skill plan for your character without putting in learning skills. When you've got your skills lined up, hit the 'Recommendations' link at the bottom of the skill plan window and it'll put up the learning skills that will cut your total training time. Don't spend all your time with Learnings right away. You'll want to balance Learnings with the rest, so you'll have some fun in the mean time. _______________________________
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Iria Ahrens
Amarr 101st Space Marine Force
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Posted - 2008.01.07 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 07/01/2008 22:15:39 Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 07/01/2008 22:11:06
Originally by: Helen Hunts
Okay...I don't know where you got that bit of blarney, but Cybernetics only allows the use of Implants (brain augmentations). Cybernetics does NOT influence attributes directly. (and since when are there 6 attributes?)
First, don't misquote then argue against a misquote. I ended the first paragraph with "Don't forget about augs" As per normal writing conventions, the last sentence is often used to link paragraphs.
I did not say or imply that cybernetics improves attributes directly. Please work on your reading and quoting skills. I even gave examples!
Second, Bleh, I Since all the attributes are paired, I always think 6. Alright, it's 5, that's what I get for going off the top of my head. Still, cybernetics is 5 times more effective than any given learning skill because the time spent improving one skill can be used to buy augs that affect multiple attributes.
Quote: When you've got your skills lined up, hit the 'Recommendations' link at the bottom of the skill plan window and it'll put up the learning skills that will cut your total training time.
The problem with eve mon is it is pretty sloppy in it's recomendations. If a 20 day learning skill saves you 1 second of training time, it gets recommended. Now this isn't such a big deal when it only recommends one skill at a time, because you can catch these almost useless bonuses and ignore them. But when get the first recommendation. It recommends a group of learning skills and only tells you the time saved for the entire group. There might be a few 20 day learning skills mixed in that only save about 1 hour or less, but you have no way of knowing.
Best to not use the recommendations and add the skills individually and see if they really save any significant amount of time.
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Apollo487
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Posted - 2008.01.07 22:23:00 -
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I'm not quite sure I agree with the last poster. If you can save 1 second by doing the learning skill first, that's great, as what that really means is that you can training both in the same time it would take to train the skills in question without first training your learning skill. Basically you are training that learning skill "for free" in time terms. All future reductions in training times are at no additional time cost.
The only caveat here is the advanced learning skills due to the potential opportunity cost in isk, and possibly an added hassle in actually queuing the skills.
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Iria Ahrens
Amarr 101st Space Marine Force
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Posted - 2008.01.08 00:59:00 -
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Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 08/01/2008 01:05:12 Just wanted to add this. There are a lot of people out there, not necessarily in this thread, that suggest to get all learning skills to 5, because of the long term benefit. And there is a benefit, but how long term do we need to go?
I've got 501 days worth of skills planned in eve mon. Not 1 advanced learning skill has been recommended. Which means, It will take more than 500 days for me to realize a learning gain from that last point in an advanced skill.
so just be aware. Don't ruin your fun training skills that it will literally take years to see any gain from. Eve Wiki has a more thorough discussion, but for simplicity I'll just quote the relevant part.
Quote: * ôLearningö from level 4 to level 5: 140 Days * The 5 attribute-enhancing advanced learning skills from level 4 to level 5: 3 Years, 235 Days, 11 Hours, 3 Minutes, and 38 Seconds * The 5 (not yet released) Elite learning skills and ôAdvanced Learningö from level 4 to level 5: 4 Years, 155 Days, 11 Hours, 55 Minutes, and 25 Seconds
So keep all this is mind when you start learning learning skills. Some skills take a long time before you start gaining.
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Tzar'rim
Minmatar Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dirtstar Hi
I just made a char and am new to the game. Im guessin the 'learning' based skills will help you in spades in the long run.
What whats should I train .. what ones should I level up first .. and do you guys think I should take them to level 4 each or go right to 5 right away?
Thanks so much for the time saved :)
Getting all rolled up and going .. then its time to find a corp .. WOOHOO
None of them, start skilling up for things you want to do now and within 3-4 weeks. in the mean time get your normal learning skills to lvl 3, then find a niche in EVE you're happy with to be doing for a few weeks and then bring up your learning skills, tier 1 to lvl 4, tier 2 to lvl 3. Anything more will just hold you down and suck the fun out of the game.
Never let learning skills dictate your game time, only do that if it's an alt.
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Miss Miata
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Posted - 2008.01.08 06:58:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Miata on 08/01/2008 07:04:35 Edited by: Miss Miata on 08/01/2008 07:02:37 train `cybernetics` to lev 1 and fit the best implants you can afford for the attributes you are going to train (note, this is optional, you will get a couple for doing the tutorial and enough cash to buy the other 2)
alternate `analytical mind` and `instant recall` up to level 4
train learning to lev 4
then do the others in any order (charisma is least important)
this is easiest way and very effective!
personally id do them after or during skilling up a usable ship such as a rifter so i can have fun while doing them!!
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